*Cracks knuckles*
A "random" vote for Sorsha.
timmer wrote:This is a friendly reminder to CHANGE YOUR SETTINGS if you just turned back your clock last night.
I'm at work, and can't be around. Randomizing via asking my coworker to pick a name off of the poll gets Sorsha my vote.
A "coworker" picked a name. Yeah right. I bet timmer wasn't even "at work." He was probably researching fantasy football and rostering duds like Lance Kendricks and J.J. Nelson.
Dr.Wilgy voted for him and gave him two votes and the lead:
DrWilgy wrote:Voted Timmer to cull a random voter and to prevent ties.
timmer wrote:Da fuq? My first game back in the saddle in awhile? Et tu, Wilgy?
timmer wrote:DrWilgy wrote:timmer wrote:Da fuq? My first game back in the saddle in awhile? Et tu, Wilgy?
Sorry Timmer, when everyone random votes/doesn't show up this happens.
Or one of your baddie friends was one of the people with a vote and you had to save them?
I had to go through and see which handful of people had votes.
I voted indiglo- she wasn't bad.
indiglo, who already had my vote, randomly voted DDL.
timmer voted Sorsha.
INH voted timmer.
DrWilgy voted timmer right after asking zebra about what would happen in a tie, not waiting for a response even though he posted again right after zebra answered the question.
n.b. DrWilgy called me bad throughout Day 1, but didn't vote for me.
For timmer's accusation of Wilgy to mean something, it would have to mean that timmer is also accusing one of indiglo, DDL, or Sorsha as bad. indiglo wasn't bad.
timmer wrote:So you random voted random voters, Wilgy? How's that high horse?
timmer wrote:I'm going to try not to get pissed off about this, but when someone spends the start of the game goofing off and being all jokey and then decides to single-handedly suddenly become the arbiter of proper play and choose to cull someone who random voted, because THAT isn't helpful, I call B.S.
For timmer's outrage to be genuine, he would have to honestly believe that Wilgy was "goofing off and being all jokey" before sealing in timmer's second vote. Does he himself believe this?
timmer wrote:But you didn't have to. It's the same odds, either way. Looking at the votes, and considering your banter in Day 0, I'm guessing you and Epig are teamies.
Suddenly DrWilgy's contributions Day 1 are no longer goofing off and being all jokey- there's actual meaning there, which points to me being bad, timmer guesses.
That was a swift turnaround. My view here is that timmer and DrWilgy are teammates, and Wilgy knew timmer would survive when nobody else did, and that people would assume a mafia member surviving a lynch would be unbalanced. I don't think they anticipated their secret being revealed when MM shot himself. It's almost as though timmer is pushing a teammate's lynch in order to set the mob upon me the following phase. But that plan is so amateur. Surely it can't be that simple! Surely the likes of-
timmer wrote:Epignosis wrote:timmer wrote:But you didn't have to. It's the same odds, either way. Looking at the votes, and considering your banter in Day 0, I'm guessing you and Epig are teamies.
Woah woah woah.
I don't have a lot in common with Dez Bryant today, but one thing I am not is bad.
LOL. No worries, I would never vote you or try to suggest people vote you. Day 0 banter only becomes relevant after one of the parties is shown to be bad, so considering that it is Wilgy's vote alone in play here, my attentions are entirely on him. Only if I find out I'm right will I turn my gaze.... to you.
Oh.
One takeaway here is timmer's use of the future real conditional, which indicates he knew he wasn't going to get lynched.
DrWilgy wrote:timmer wrote:Oh, lol, I misread the poll, I thought Epig had had a vote against him. Well, there goes everything. Stellar play, Timmer. Really sniffed 'em out. Le sigh. Where's the lynch post...
I see now. Had one of the 4 I declared voteworthy earlier had a vote, I would've voted for them instead of you.
Is that to imply that Wilgy didn't really find timmer worthy of his vote? Then why vote there? Why not leave it to chance? Why not wait fifteen minutes for zebra to answer your question before voting?
timmer wrote:My problems with Wilgy were based on inattention to detail on my part. I'm going to reset my pinions and start fresh.
Making mistakes and acknowledging those mistakes is a way to appear genuine.
timmer wrote:DrWilgy wrote:Hey Timmer, what character are you?
Someone named Ruben. You?
This isn't meaningful.
He addresses Eloh for the first time-
right after she subs back in after being killed, and only asks her about me.
timmer wrote:indiglo wrote:RIP Elo, and welcome back.
No one has mentioned it, so I will. Does it mean anything that she was immediately pinged by Epi, and she was obviously a civ?
It's a valid question... how many times, as a civ, have they voiced suspicion about the other and been wrong vs been right?
@Eloh, what IS your current opinion of Epig?
I am going to look into her in a moment, but I can already tell you it isn't good.
timmer wrote:So... yeah, that happened.
I have no concrete opinion on Epig's push against indiglo. I've seen him pull early game gambits as both civ and baddie, so whether he has a power role and found something out re: indi, or is just trying to push to see what happens, i can't tell.
@Epig, is this pure gut? Are you asking us to follow you on this? What should we think of you, if you turn out to be wrong?
What purpose does this post serve? How am I supposed to answer that last question?
"Well gee, timmer, if I'm wrong, you should think that I'm bad and come and get me!"
timmer wrote:The case against indiglo is... Epig's gut. I'm not liking it, tbh.
timmer wrote:Voted for Epig. I see literally no case on indiglo.
This is important.
timmer votes me because there isn't a case on indiglo. Consider the others who voted indiglo based on what amounts to nothing, according to him: DDL, MM, or Elohcin (!).
DDL gave his reason:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Indiglo still feels suspish. She is talking about game mechanics almost all the time (which is a classic tell), and her friendliness seems forced at points. She is there, and she is posting, but she is not doing much.
MM said he would rather vote me but did an about-face, voting indiglo instead.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis wrote:Metalmarsh89 wrote:timmer wrote:The case against indiglo is... Epig's gut. I'm not liking it, tbh.
I'd rather vote Epignosis to be honest.
No you wouldn't. That'd be silly.
You're right, I'm
voting indiglo.
Of course, MM tried to kill me, so there's that.
Eloh's vote is worthy of scrutiny here, especially from timmer. No scrutiny ever comes. Don't worry- it's coming. Just not from timmer.
Instead of scrunity, timmer provides faux-outrage:
timmer wrote:Epig gets my vote every day until one of us is dead. What B.S.
Again- no honest appraisal of DDL, MM, or Eloh.
timmer wrote:Flipped back through the day. It really doesn't seem like a lot of people put much thought into that indiglo lynch. And Epig knew people were following him and didn't say much to remind people that he was apparently operating on gut. Ionno my gut tells me he's bad.
@Epig, can you reasonably give me reasons to think you are civ?
timmer argues that it was my responsibility to remind my "followers" that I was "apparently operating on gut."
His gut tells him I'm bad.
Huh.
My vote wasn't a gut vote. My vote was an
ass vote. As in, I was voting out of my ass. I haven't even been reading the thread very much, I'm sorry to say. That changes today.
The fact that timmer places all the blame of the indiglo lynch on a guy who wasn't reading the thread but still somehow owed my lemmings some sort of "voter discretion advised" message is a smokescreen. Somebody who voted indiglo is bad, as timmer is unwilling to provide any scrutiny on the voters who trusted a guy who was barely paying any attention.
timmer wrote:Metalmarsh89 wrote:DrWilgy wrote:Marmot, who will die tonight? Me, or INH?
DF, what are your thoughts on the Epi voters?
Hopefully Epignosis.
I mean, Hello. ^
DrWilgy wrote:timmer wrote:Epignosis wrote:Them odds tho.
That post, tho. I'm sorry, but MM's dead hand is pointing DIRECTLY at you.
A civ with a one-shot kill targeted someone, and they know if they target the wrong guy they will die instead. What do they do? They leave a little nugget in the thread immediately before the night ends, just in case. MM wasn't even trying to be subtle about it. You and Wilgy are willfully ignoring the obvious. YOU got indiglo lynched. WILGY tried to get me lynched. The two of you have led every lynch so far, with B.S. reasons, and now you are trying to move the thread past MM pointing directly at you.
But since clearly MM targeted you and clearly he died, I can't vote you. So I will be voting for
Wilgy today, barring an insane change in the available information to me.
And no, I won't tell you what i think of surviving the lynch, Wilgy, I'm not going to hand you that information.
Ok then Timmer, I'm classifying you as a baddie. We are at a point now where we cannot withold any information we have. You are the player who survived, and we have a confirmed kill surviving baddie role.
It makes sense that MM pointed towards Epi, but MM's role suicided on civilian kills as well. You are clearly ignoring the fact that Epi could be a civ, and you are forcing this idea that he has to be the bad one.
Also, what is up with you classifying my vote as BS? I thought we already discussed this. Stop going in circles.
In regards to not witholding information, I'm Louise Thompson, vanilla civ.
The one exception to this can be answered in the following question.
Zebra have you lied in any of your host's posts?
To summarize, timmer called me Kilgrave right out of the gate.
DrWilgy points out the (obvious) flaw in timmer's accusation. For anyone on the fence about this, it's very simple.
MM could kill somebody. If that person is a civilian or the protected mafia member, MM dies. MM died. He evidently targeted me. There are many more civilians than protected mafia members (at the time, it was something like 8 or 9 to 1).
timmer survived a lynch. He did not go into detail about why he survived, but keep in mind I pointed out that timmer's use of the future tense before his lynch post indicates that he knew he wasn't going to die, as he was making plans in the thread before the lynch post revealed his survival. So it cannot be that someone pardoned him.
The revelation of a protected Mafia member (and the exact mechanics of that protection) would have been a shocking strike to the mafia, since until that point people were assuming timmer was pardoned or had a built in protection from a lynch, both of which are traditionally civilian abilities. That possibility no longer exists unless you are willing to take the 10% odds or so that I am bad.
With that revelation, Wilgy has no choice but to take off the gloves.
timmer wrote:Epignosis wrote:Spacedaisy wrote:Epi, I take it from this that you suspect Wilgy?
I guess. I'm not really paying attention.
He probably had Carmelo in DFS...
I would just like to say that I don't think I have ever taken Carmelo Anthony before...wish I had last night. Dude had a great second half.
timmer wrote:Voting for DrWilgy.
Remember that timmer linked Wilgy and me together after Day 1, but then backed off of that premise. After the mafia mechanics are revealed, he has little choice but to go back to that pairing.
My verdict at this time is that the mafia team is timmer, DrWilgy, and Elohcin.
And I don't know why people think I'm bad either. Can you tell me why?
Fiddler on the Roof
Miss that place.
" So....I am like...hmm, this is an odd response to an early vote with no reasons to back it up. This is the exact opposite of what I would except. SO....I am pinged. That's all.
