Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Game Over

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Will you run, hide, or die?

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Quin
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Sorsha
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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I guess a better question is: How can I address your concern, Quin? What do you need to see from me to believe that I'm being genuine?
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:No, I don't. And I don't find your suspicion of me genuine in any way either.
How do you figure?

Why should I town read you? Honest question. Same goes to everyone else, really.
The turning point in your suspicion of me seemed to be based on a blatantly sarcastic post. I do not understand why you suspect me because you really only spoke to INH and then drew me as his teammate. I can't fathom how I went from a moderate town to moderate scum based on those posts.
MovingPictures07 wrote:I guess a better question is: How can I address your concern, Quin? What do you need to see from me to believe that I'm being genuine?
I don't have a checklist. Just be town.
Lunalee wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 amQuin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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MovingPictures07 wrote:Furthermore, DF never was questioning the intentions of the CFD. He used declarative language all game to say that he thought either G-Man or Elo was saved by the CFD, never considered another perspective that they were NOT, and used that to dictate his suspicions all game.

Those are all facts. If you find elsewhere in his ISO that DF was ever open-minded on any of those fronts, and that the assumption of "d1 was a save" is ever missing from any of his suspicions, INH, by all means.

Otherwise, you're misrepresenting.
One could easily say that you're doing the same exact thing, dude, by saying Elo definitively wasn't saved by either CFD's.

It's less of a leap for me that they were saved than it is for me to assume that they weren't, and it's all some wacky coincidence.

Furthermore, DF did consider other factors, and misrepresenting him as some one-issue pony is doing him a disservice.

Here's every post of DF's that talks about Day 1 being a save.
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insertnamehere wrote:Hey guys, has anyone seen Libby around? We were gonna go have a picnic, and she said she was gonna go grab some blankets...

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But seriously, I really dislike the CFD shenanigans that occurred here. Going into Day 2, the Soneji voter-dudes are who I'm gonna be looking at.
That was absolute bollocks. Nobody talks about Soneji all day, then with ten minutes to go the votes pile on? That's bloody ludicrous!

If anyone asked me, I'd think the baddies are made up of two Soneji voters and either Eloh, Sorsha or G-Man. This just screams save. :disappoint:
DFaraday wrote:That's just one factor. The bigger issue for me is the Day 1 lynch, which still looks like a blatant save attempt. Since G-Man wasn't being saved, the most logical option is Elo. And of course Rico suspected Elo shortly before his demise.
I think one or two of the Soneji voters were trying to save someone (I think G-Man). Since Rico died I'm feeling either Elo or G-Man is the culprit.
He made 24 posts in this thread and the Hatch thread. Only 1/8th of them said anything about Day 1 being a save.

You're honestly gonna tell me that I'M misrepresenting YOU?

Whatever dude.
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 3

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I got to the end of page 13 and saw there were two more pages to read before I am caught up and all I did was sleep.

The more I hear from MP, the more I find him civ. He asked Epi and I about switching our votes to INH late in the Day. That was a ping for my right off, but after the flip, it makes me think better of MP and not worse. Then there is this from INH.....
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MovingPictures07 wrote:All of this despite me and Epi telling him that literally all of his suspicions/thoughts are based on one flimsy assumption: that someone was being saved on Day 1. I think that's ridiculously dubious.
MP's case against DF was mostly based on DF thinking that the D1 Soneji thing was a save-job.

Seems more like MP just wanted to get rid of someone who found him suspicious. Or he was so shocked that someone would find him suspicious for his D1 CFD mislynch that he decided to target him for yet another CFD mislynch.

It's like raaaaain on your wedding day...


MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't get the impression at all that DF cares about solving the game at all. I'd like to lynch him today.
Translation: DF finds me suspicious; get him!

Full disclosure, whenever I read the phrase "solving this game," I roll my eyes.
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Spacedaisy wrote:@ MP - Up until your post on him setting up easy lynches, I hadn't really thought anything of him. In reading the Hatch thread I thought briefly that he seemed more engaged that he normally comes across to me, but I don't think that is necessarily a baddie tell or anything, he is usually disengaged either way I believe. But your post about setting up lynches was a good point. He basically has a lynch lined up no matter what result Elo might flip, which would be a nice place for a baddie to be sitting. It is something to consider.
INH is doing the exact same thing in that post I quoted. I find it equally suspect.

Both DF and INH seem so uninterested in actually hunting for mafia. They're just drawing connections based on incredibly dubious assumptions.
Hey, lookie here:

MP seems so uninterested in actually hunting for mafia. He's just drawing connections based on incredibly dubious assumptions.

See? I can do it too.

Also, once again, "incredibly dubious assumptions" = questioning the intent of a D1 CFD mislynch. That sounds reasonably grounded in logic and fact to me, but then again, I didn't cause a D1 CFD mislynch. I guess MP's perspective is different.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Their games are the epitome of lacking any town spark whatsoever. They don't indicate any consideration of hunting.
Translation: I don't like DF and INH's games and hunting efforts because they implicate me.

Dude, it's a good thing I won the lottery. Otherwise, I'd be broke because of all this discrediting MP is doing to me.
I don't find INH's translations to be good/true/convincing at all.

I am putting INH on the naughty list for now. Like I said, I still have two pages to read, but still.
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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Epignosis wrote:I don't see where DF suspected MP.
Okay, top of page 14. Yes, this. I was going to say this in my post but feared I may have been wrong so refrained. Looky there, I did remember something.
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:No, I don't. And I don't find your suspicion of me genuine in any way either.
How do you figure?

Why should I town read you? Honest question. Same goes to everyone else, really.
The turning point in your suspicion of me seemed to be based on a blatantly sarcastic post. I do not understand why you suspect me because you really only spoke to INH and then drew me as his teammate. I can't fathom how I went from a moderate town to moderate scum based on those posts.
MovingPictures07 wrote:I guess a better question is: How can I address your concern, Quin? What do you need to see from me to believe that I'm being genuine?
I don't have a checklist. Just be town.
Tinfoil. It seemed in the moment like you two were conspiring against me. I also didn't like this post:
Quin wrote:My rainbow list currently has no town reads.
But I'll fairly re-assess. Like I said, it was gut-based drivel. In reality you're probably not that low, or other people are below you that weren't there.

Also, you didn't answer my question about why I should town read you.
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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MovingPictures07 wrote:Furthermore, DF never was questioning the intentions of the CFD. He used declarative language all game to say that he thought either G-Man or Elo was saved by the CFD, never considered another perspective that they were NOT, and used that to dictate his suspicions all game.

Those are all facts. If you find elsewhere in his ISO that DF was ever open-minded on any of those fronts, and that the assumption of "d1 was a save" is ever missing from any of his suspicions, INH, by all means.

Otherwise, you're misrepresenting.
One could easily say that you're doing the same exact thing, dude, by saying Elo definitively wasn't saved by either CFD's.

It's less of a leap for me that they were saved than it is for me to assume that they weren't, and it's all some wacky coincidence.

Furthermore, DF did consider other factors, and misrepresenting him as some one-issue pony is doing him a disservice.

Here's every post of DF's that talks about Day 1 being a save.
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insertnamehere wrote:Hey guys, has anyone seen Libby around? We were gonna go have a picnic, and she said she was gonna go grab some blankets...

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But seriously, I really dislike the CFD shenanigans that occurred here. Going into Day 2, the Soneji voter-dudes are who I'm gonna be looking at.
That was absolute bollocks. Nobody talks about Soneji all day, then with ten minutes to go the votes pile on? That's bloody ludicrous!

If anyone asked me, I'd think the baddies are made up of two Soneji voters and either Eloh, Sorsha or G-Man. This just screams save. :disappoint:
DFaraday wrote:That's just one factor. The bigger issue for me is the Day 1 lynch, which still looks like a blatant save attempt. Since G-Man wasn't being saved, the most logical option is Elo. And of course Rico suspected Elo shortly before his demise.
I think one or two of the Soneji voters were trying to save someone (I think G-Man). Since Rico died I'm feeling either Elo or G-Man is the culprit.
He made 24 posts in this thread and the Hatch thread. Only 1/8th of them said anything about Day 1 being a save.

You're honestly gonna tell me that I'M misrepresenting YOU?

Whatever dude.
....I NEVER SAID EITHER OF THESE THINGS.

INH, seriously, if you are town and you want us to have a constructive conversation, politely I'm going to have to tell you to go back and reading my freaking posts. I'm not going to respond to you if you keep throwing out blatant misrepresentations literally every time you talk about me, because that's all you've done.

First you insinuated that I wanted DF gone because he suspected me... and he never named me by name.

Furthermore, in here, I've never said that Elo and G-Man were never saved. I just thought the notion was incredibly dubious, because I initiated the CFD, and I know I'm town, Daisy joined me and I'm pretty sure she isn't town, and generally it's much more common that mafia members will try to pile on various town wagons on d1 precisely for this reason. All I've said all game is that there's no reason to believe there was a save any more than there's reason to believe that there wasn't a save and everyone who had votes on d1 was town. I've never debunked or "definitively" said there wasn't.

Also, I never said that's all DF posts said; I said that the ONE ASSUMPTION that dictated all of his suspicions was that "there was a d1 save". This is true. If you can find literally any suspect that DF had that wasn't dictated by this one flimsy assumption, INH, by all means.

From now on, I won't respond to you unless you please illustrate things that I've said with quotes and your accompanied interpretation, because this conversation isn't constructive if you're going to continually misrepresent me.
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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INH, I never got a response to this post, and I'd like one because I'm trying to determine whether you're a desperate baddie making a play on mislynching me tomorrow or whether you genuinely believe I'm bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:My rainbow list currently has no town reads.
Why?
why not?

some of us are better at seeing town reads than others.
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insertnamehere wrote:Sorsha's the one I have the best view of, but not by much
What is that view? Why is she your top read?
it's like I went through some kind of...procedure of removal...in my mind, and Sorsha was the one who rubbed me wrong the least. She's the least objectionable, not the most commendable. Hence the yellow hue.
I don't understand your first response. What does that mean?

But why? What about Sorsha rubs you wrong the least? What has she done that's least objectionable?
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I guess a better question is: How can I address your concern, Quin? What do you need to see from me to believe that I'm being genuine?
I don't have a checklist. Just be town.
Well, apparently the fact that Soneji, G-Man, and DF were all "town" wasn't enough, so I thought it was a fair question.
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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The problem with INH's strategy, if he is mafia, is that he could have selected a different player to tunnel out of the end of d3 and convinced someone more easily to vote for them, Elo, Sorsha, and Scotty I think would have little resistance.

Since we're going into LYLO tomorrow, the tides turning on me in the moment appeared blatantly sinister, but if that is the case, it seems to be a completely reactive and perhaps poor mafia strategy.

I also am not sure INH would argue with me with such conviction and with such blatant misrepresentations if he were mafia. It seems over the top.
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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Fellow townies, whoever you are, I can't stress enough how important d4 is going to be. I'm not sure how Golden is going to handle it, but since we are already down 2 power roles and likely don't have the third, it's incredibly likely that if a townie votes another townie tomorrow, the other mafia will pile on and we'll lose instantly. Let's try to keep that from happening. Assess everyone.
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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MovingPictures07 wrote:The problem with INH's strategy, if he is mafia, is that he could have selected a different player to tunnel out of the end of d3 and convinced someone more easily to vote for them, Elo, Sorsha, and Scotty I think would have little resistance.

Since we're going into LYLO tomorrow, the tides turning on me in the moment appeared blatantly sinister, but if that is the case, it seems to be a completely reactive and perhaps poor mafia strategy.

I also am not sure INH would argue with me with such conviction and with such blatant misrepresentations if he were mafia. It seems over the top.
Following this train of thought, if INH is mafia, Quin being his teammate makes little sense. There were moments, both d1 and d3, when INH legitimately could have gotten lynched, and I'm not sure Quin is THAT ballsy to risk going after his teammate relentlessly all game. I think I was suffering tinfoil and recency bias a bit too much when I threw that out there.

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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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I'd like to hear more from Epignosis, Scotty, and Sorsha in particular.
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm calling a baddie team of Elo/INH/Quin right now.
Why would I be teammates with Quin? That makes no sense at all MP. Listen, I think you are civ. But I also think you need to take a step back to evaluate your read on me here. I called out Quin for THREE days. And I called out INH today. You all were so convinced that Quin was claiming a power role to distract the baddies. I thought he was doing it b/c he knew he wasn't in trouble of being killed b/c he WAS a baddie. Now how do you change your story on that topic? Was I correct on the matter? Would I call out a teammate like that if I were bad and if I were correct on that matter. Your reads are getting all jumbled, MP. I think the baddies are Scotty/Sorsha, INH, and Quin. I think that makes a lot more sense.

I know Scotty is a new name for me to throw around, but I just about forgot he was even playing :p
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm calling a baddie team of Elo/INH/Quin right now.
Why would I be teammates with Quin? That makes no sense at all MP. Listen, I think you are civ. But I also think you need to take a step back to evaluate your read on me here. I called out Quin for THREE days. And I called out INH today. You all were so convinced that Quin was claiming a power role to distract the baddies. I thought he was doing it b/c he knew he wasn't in trouble of being killed b/c he WAS a baddie. Now how do you change your story on that topic? Was I correct on the matter? Would I call out a teammate like that if I were bad and if I were correct on that matter. Your reads are getting all jumbled, MP. I think the baddies are Scotty/Sorsha, INH, and Quin. I think that makes a lot more sense.

I know Scotty is a new name for me to throw around, but I just about forgot he was even playing :p
Why that combination? I mean, if you could succinctly summarize why you think the behavior of those players displays mafia-aligned behavior, and why the behavior of players you DIDN'T include in your fictional team, that'd be great. I know you've talked about it before, but just brief little blurbs about each player would be nice.

I'm remaining open-minded myself, hence why I said "right now" in that quote you're responding to. I don't think I'd agree with last night MP right now. I'm not sure what I would say right now. I need to dig through ISOs first... I hope I have time to.
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My schedule is going to be pretty busy today and tomorrow, but I'll squeeze whatever time I can during that frame (assuming the mafia kills someone other than me... which I think is very likely) to digging through ISOs and trying to as fairly re-assess everyone as possible. If I somehow don't survive the night, make sure you all do this.

Even one miscast vote tomorrow could screw our chances to win.
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm calling a baddie team of Elo/INH/Quin right now.
Why would I be teammates with Quin? That makes no sense at all MP. Listen, I think you are civ. But I also think you need to take a step back to evaluate your read on me here. I called out Quin for THREE days. And I called out INH today. You all were so convinced that Quin was claiming a power role to distract the baddies. I thought he was doing it b/c he knew he wasn't in trouble of being killed b/c he WAS a baddie. Now how do you change your story on that topic? Was I correct on the matter? Would I call out a teammate like that if I were bad and if I were correct on that matter. Your reads are getting all jumbled, MP. I think the baddies are Scotty/Sorsha, INH, and Quin. I think that makes a lot more sense.

I know Scotty is a new name for me to throw around, but I just about forgot he was even playing :p
Why that combination? I mean, if you could succinctly summarize why you think the behavior of those players displays mafia-aligned behavior, and why the behavior of players you DIDN'T include in your fictional team, that'd be great. I know you've talked about it before, but just brief little blurbs about each player would be nice.

I'm remaining open-minded myself, hence why I said "right now" in that quote you're responding to. I don't think I'd agree with last night MP right now. I'm not sure what I would say right now. I need to dig through ISOs first... I hope I have time to.
Is it rude to ask you to just reread my posts? I'm just really not feeling well...got a cold Sunday night and its kicking my butt.
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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Starting my ISO's with Scotty; in some cruel twist of fate his lack of presence makes him one of the better looking people on my list purely by the fact that he hasn't done much of significance.
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G-Man wrote:
Scotty wrote:Well wouldja look at that? If no one moves their asses, we got 2 people on each location. Quin and that faraday guy in hat hell hatch, and me and twinkle toes rubbin kneecaps on the beach.

We comfy with that? It would be suicide if a kill happened to any of us and they ain't killin otherwise
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Golden wrote:3) Each day, declare whether you will spend the night at the hatch or on the beach. You may only be killed by a killer in your midst at your location. If you don't declare a location, you will be considered to be spending part of the night at each and therefore can be killed by any killer at any location. If a killer does not choose a location, they cannot kill.
If no one else claims a location for the night, then those non-claimers will be considered to be at both locations. By my count, we've got six location claims and seven undecideds:

Beach Bodies
-Scotty
-Soneji

Hatchlings
-DFaraday
-Elohcin
-Quin
-Ricochet

Undeclared
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-Epignosis
-G-Man
-insertnamehere
-MovingPictures07
-Sorsha
-Spacedaisy

What if we took a chance on leaving things where they are as of right now. If the seven of us who haven't claimed a bunk for the night continue to withhold a claim, then no baddies among us get to kill. If there's a kill tonight, we'll know at least one of the six claimers is a baddie. The baaddie(s) among the six would almost certainly kill one of the seven undeclared, thereby narrowing down two fields at once. A baddie among you six could always just abstain but how long would they be willing to risk that strategy?
Arghhh I totally misread that. I don't have my glasses.

I think it's in our best interest, and I mean OUR, to declare a location so we're not in some limbo. That's just be wrong.
The highlighted 'and I mean OUR' stands out to me. I don't have a strong opinion on it. It's just weird.
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Scotty wrote:I literally hopped on here last second to vote and saw I had voted so I voted Soneji. To save myself
I don't feel bad about his self-preservation vote. I believe I made a point earlier in the game that Scotty deserves a tentative town read for doing so because it was placed at the very last second and Scotty had basically no presence at EoD and could have easily just sat out the lynch and come up with some excuse if he were bad.

In this and his follow-up post, he's analysing the consequences of the lynch given that we're separated. His scrutiny of the fact that the beach buds should, by rights, be voting among the hatchlings is a good look.

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I think Scotty is good. His unexplained inactivity these last few phases hasn't helped supplement that very much, which I would not be particularly impressed about if he turns out to be bad.

My ongoing rainbow list:

Scotty
Lunalee wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 amQuin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
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Nevermind. Blatant contradiction.

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Sorsha

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Begins his Day 1 with Michael role-play. Doesn't really contribute much content in the early phase phase. The tin-foiler in me wonders whether he's got a power-role which made it necessary for him to do that. His shtick ended Day 2, so maybe going to the beach worked out for him in that respect. Or maybe he just got bored. :sigh:
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G-Man wrote:Constrained by dinner prep. My three baddie suspects are:

1. Sorsha
2. Rico
3. MP07

Voting Sorsha for now. Her use of roleplay has resulted in the lowest level of content.
How much content is really expected in a day one? Plus, you've been "suspicious" of me since I made my first post in the game entirely for what happened on the show between our characters.

I'm just looking for my son. You never answered me earlier if you had seen him.


WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!
Suggests there's a limit to how much content should be expected to be put out on Day 1. Yuck. I think she's taking G-Man's initial suspicion of her too literally. He was civ, and by all rights should have undoubtedly been scum-hunting, so there was probably something in your posts he disliked, such as your reliance on role-play which he covered later.
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G-Man wrote:Constrained by dinner prep. My three baddie suspects are:

1. Sorsha
2. Rico
3. MP07

Voting Sorsha for now. Her use of roleplay has resulted in the lowest level of content.
How much content is really expected in a day one? Plus, you've been "suspicious" of me since I made my first post in the game entirely for what happened on the show between our characters.

I'm just looking for my son. You never answered me earlier if you had seen him.


WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!
Her decision to hold her vote when votes are changeable doesn't make sense to me. It's like she's just trying to avoid upsetting anyone.

Here, she has a similar opinion to Scotty in that she wants to look at the hatchlings for a vote. Good.

Nevermind. Her reasoning is less bullocks than Scotty's is though.

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Sorsha is a female, there should be no mistake.
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Epignosis:

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Quin wrote:Scotty jumped on the end of that wagon at the last second after it had already taken charge. He hadn't voted before then AFAIK, so I might actually be inclined to civ read him for that. If he were bad, maybe he would've just not voted.
I saw that Sorsha had voted Scotty right after I did, and Scotty jumped on Soneji right after that.
I don't know how likely it'll be, but if we flipped either a bad Scotty tomorrow, I think we could clear Epi as town. I don't think Epi would deny his teammate civ-cred like this.
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Epignosis wrote:Living Hatch people:

DFaraday
Elohcin
Insertnamehere
MovingPictures07
Quin

The exchange between Elohcin and Quin gave me the impression that both are good. Despite my opinion about her, Quin's response wasn't to consider that Eloh is, in fact, good, but rather to latch on to DF's idea that we are teammates. Quin's justification for considering that idea is weak- that I should have been moved in some way by how Eloh considered voting Sorsha (i.e., someone on the beach and not in the hatch), but I'm not. Mechanics are not in the forefront of Eloh's mind. Notice how she keeps asking Quin that same question over and over. I say she genuinely doesn't know, and if she had BTSC, she could have asked that question in there, got her answer, and kept quiet about the matter in the thread. Instead, she's gone after Quin relentlessly. That says civilian to me, and I am more convinced about her goodness than I am about Quin's.

As one might infer, I am suspicious of DFaraday. In the Hatch, he stuck to the idea that someone was being saved Day 1, and he named G-Man and Eloh. Now that G-Man is gone, DF sticks to his theory and can conveniently default to Eloh for his Day 3 vote. Now he names me as Eloh's teammate. Not good, heroin-head.

Now MP...
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'd also prefer to vote Elo over G-Man myself, but I'm not really sold on Elo being a worthwhile vote.
MovingPictures07 wrote:I feel tentatively OK about Sorsha's response, even though I find it ironic that she displayed a willingness to vote someone for RPing/low content. I don't really want to vote for her at this point either.

CFD on someone else?
...suggested the out-of-nowhere train against Soneji. G-Man was good, and if you accept that Eloh is good as I do, then this means that an evil MP would have no reason to suggest randomly jumping on someone else. If he is bad, it means he took a really unnecessary risk for Day 1.

INH was indignant about G-Man holding his cards to his chest and...that's about it. He didn't follow up on his Quin suspicion at all in the Hatch except to color the name orange. I have no reason to believe insertnamehere is a civilian based on any of that.

Of the hatchlings, I am most likely to vote DFaraday and least likely to vote Eloh or MP.
I don't think this is the most genuine thing I've read. For starters, Epi is a man of statistics, so I'll use my brain for once to make a point. He should have an opinion beyond having no opinion as to Eloh's possible vote for Sorsha, because there was between a 20%-60% chance that we'd lynch a baddie if we voted out a hatchling, while the chance of lynching a bad beach-goer yesterday was only between 0%-40%. So, yes. You should have had an opinion.

Additionally, he says that MP was responsible for the CFD on Soneji. That's false. I was. He's just the one who put the phrase 'CFD' out there.

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Spacedaisy wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
G-Man wrote:Considering that there is a 5.3% chance of repeating as a baddie cover role, I'm willing to chance it on Day 1.
This is the same like, logical fallacy that makes roulette players bet on red after a big string of blacks.

It's like saying I'm more likely to have a baddie role in this game because I've recently had a string of civilian roles.

If the cover roles really are randomly chosen, there's literally no reason to trust DFaraday and Epignosis for being Charlie and Kate.
I think I missed a step. Where did we learn that the cover roles were chosen randomly?
I like that she's being inquisitive. If she had a cover role maybe she wouldn't have scrutinised the issue so much.
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Ricochet wrote:Why MP, brotha?
He's one of few who hasn't declared his location yet. I'm inclined to believe the baddies would wait until later on so they can go to wherever their target goes.
I could buy this reasoning on Day 2 or later, but I don't think it's a strong enough reasoning for a vote at this point. Why did you choose him over the others who have not declared?
I had to get her to walk me through her thinking for this post, which was essentially that she believes Day 1 would be spent by baddies trying to scout for power roles rather than positioning themselves along with their targets. I agreed with it then, but now it just seems false because baddies could easily do both. If either MP or Daisy flips bad, I think the other is too.
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Spacedaisy wrote:I got no feeling at all on them, and what are we feeling about Scotty? I would say those three have left no major impression on me.
No feelings about 3 players, 2 of which are dead civs.

She spearheaded the beach thread, where she could easily have gone with the flow of inactivity if she were bad. I'd lean civ on it, but there's no strong reason for why I shouldn't see it as a baddie just trying to control the thread.
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Spacedaisy wrote:I'm looking at the votes and it looks like it's tied at the moment. I'm going to place my vote with the people I find more trustworthy because I can go either way on this one. I'm voting DFaraday.
I still don't like her DFaraday vote. Her justification isn't even because she suspects DFaraday, it's because she wants to be on a wagon with people she trusts. There were two hours between where she listed her intended votes of Eloh, Scotty or Sorsha and this was her only post in between:
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Spacedaisy wrote:@ MP - Up until your post on him setting up easy lynches, I hadn't really thought anything of him. In reading the Hatch thread I thought briefly that he seemed more engaged that he normally comes across to me, but I don't think that is necessarily a baddie tell or anything, he is usually disengaged either way I believe. But your post about setting up lynches was a good point. He basically has a lynch lined up no matter what result Elo might flip, which would be a nice place for a baddie to be sitting. It is something to consider.
Disappointing. I don't think a span of two hours with one post of discussion is enough to move someone from 'Hadn't really thought about him' to 'I'm voting him', when her other suspects have been rationalised and talked about over the course of multiple days.
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Quin wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Why would you have not voted for Scotty? I don't know if it was a bad choice, but it makes no sense to flip your vote all over the place and not give any reason why you are voting for that person. And the fact that Scotty (the person you said you wanted to vote for) had already voted for him, it makes even less sense to me. At least I had a reason for my vote.

As far as the assessment of me, I can understand why he thinks that. He's wrong, I was not aware voting for G-Man would prevent Elo from dying. I wasn't saving her. I wasn't saving her the first time either. But I can understand why it might look that way yes. My eyeroll was not about that it was about the fact that of course you would jump on that, considering everything I've said before that about you.

Right now I could see casting a vote for Elo, Scotty, or Sorsha right now. Probably in that order. Though I might be willing to swap Scotty and Elo, I don't know. Epi's defense of her is holding me back, because he usually seems to be right, but she has gotten good at fooling him I've noticed, so yeah... Meh.
I don't like Spacedaisy's vote, especially considering this post. DFaraday wasn't even on her radar.
This is true, he wasn't. I pointed that out myself in my response to MP. Because he brought something to my attention I really hadn't thought about. The fact that DF was setting up the follow up lynches no matter how Elo's lynch might result. That is shady to me in a big way, but it wasn't even something I was considering until it was pointed out to me. New information Quin, it can change your perspective. As well as lots of conversation about one of the two forerunners for my vote, some of those arguments changed my opinion.
This does put me at ease about my earlier worries slightly. You don't have to be involved in the discussion for your opinion to be swayed, I guess.

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My gut is screaming bad when I look at Daisy, but her posts make me think less so. My intuition usually sucks so I'm torn.

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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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insertnamehere wrote:so if the killer doesn't pick a side, RE: Beach or Hatch, he doesn't get to kill.

Is there any way we can take advantage of that?

@Golden: Can you tell us if there are multiple killers or not?

If there's only one, we could have half the players on each side, see who gets killed, then redistribute the witnesses onto opposite sides and see who gets bumped off until one person, the culprit, is left.

It'd be some kind of procedure of removal.
I appreciate that he came right out of the gate with mechanic analysis and strategy. However, the fact that he's strategising around something before his question is even answered feels like overcompensation.
insertnamehere wrote:I guess the real quandary facing us is that if half of us go to the hatch, and half of us go to the beach, and someone from the hatch is killed, do we automatically clear everyone on the Beach? That seems like it could potentially backfire and be taken advantage of.
The answer to this question is obvious so I don't understand his motivation for asking it in the first place.
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insertnamehere wrote:I feel like it's best to be upfront, y'know, to help the group out.

So, I'm Hugo Reyes, and I'm a vanilla civ. Dudes.

Also, the numbers are bad.
INH, I think you were scouting for potential power roles. What say you to this assertion?
I'd say you're wrong. Singling me out for roleclaiming when a bunch of other people did it as well just doesn't make sense to me, dude. I, like, didn't try to force anyone else to roleclaim or do anything like that. I just didn't see a downside to admitting that I'm a vanilla civilian.

:shrug:
This response sounds genuine. I'd expect a more brash and over-defensive response from a baddie.
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Quin wrote:
Dom wrote:
Quin wrote:I want to know where people's thoughts are, so I'm breaking the '1st to vote' stigma with a vote for INH.
why
Elohcin wrote:
Quin wrote:I want to know where people's thoughts are, so I'm breaking the '1st to vote' stigma with a vote for INH.
Why him? You want to know people's thoughts. Tell us your own thoughts on INH.
I did, nerds
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insertnamehere wrote:I feel like it's best to be upfront, y'know, to help the group out.

So, I'm Hugo Reyes, and I'm a vanilla civ. Dudes.

Also, the numbers are bad.
INH, I think you were scouting for potential power roles. What say you to this assertion?
I no longer think this.
Okay, dude. Then why is your vote on me?

I'm just gonna put my vote on you until you either give another explanation for why you suspect me, or you remove your vote.
I don't like this or his follow up to this. The vote isn't based on suspicion. It's retaliatory. Immediately after this post, I moved my vote and told him as much and for the next one or two hours after this he was active in the thread and did not reciprocate as promised.
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insertnamehere wrote:I hate to break a promise, like how I said I'd inventory and ration out all of the Hatch food, and I just ended up giving it away to everyone, but I'm keeping my vote on Quin for the time being.

I don't like his reasoning for suspecting me, and I don't like his switcharoo over to MP and then back.

He just seems a little desperate to point his finger at someone for what are, in my opinion, kinda arbitrary reasons. It's enough for him to get a Day 1 vote from me.

If I was going to vote for anyone else, it'd probably be G-Man. That weird and obviously wrong logic behind wanting to clear Epi and Faraday (who is confusingly not playing as Faraday) just keeps annoying me, like a piece of cilantro stuck in my teeth.

Then again, he's the dude out here providing the most content, and I think some of his wack-o theories have something to them.
I don't like this at all. He doesn't talk to me, he just says he doesn't like it and leaves for the day.

He says he'd kill Rico if he was bad. Dead Rico. Some fantastic WIFOM ammunition.

In this post he paints G-Man's witholding of updated reads as much worse than it is and doesn't consider the benefit in that the information we get in the end will be higher quality. I made a post in my hatch ISO that goes into more detail.
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MovingPictures07 wrote:Dinner time, BBL.

Linki: Well, fuck. RIP DF. I'm sorry I was wrong, but I don't regret my decision; I still stand by my assessment.

Now I suppose it's time to re-assess again.
Yep.

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Sorsha
Epignosis
Scotty

Quin
Spacedaisy
Elochin
MovingPictures

Not a single dude deserves above a yellow, in my book. MP and SD hijacked and hoodwinked the lynch away from Elo for the third consecutive time. Good job with the shell game. I'm still not 100% sold on SD and Elo being bad, SD could've made a mistake the last couple days, and Elo could be a smokescreen false-flag type deal. If Elo is good, I think Quin must be bad. (Insert "FALSE EQUIVALENCY WEE WOO WEE WOO SIRENS" here)

Scotty, Epi, and Sorsha I have little to no impression of. Scotty booked a trip on the MP Mislynch CFD Express D1, and then disappeared. Epi believes Elo is civ, which either looks good or bad depending on her alignment. Sorsha's the one I have the best view of, but not by much. She still gladly followed MP on a witch hunt today.
INH's list is coming together as a near perfect mesh of my own. I like that. I struggle to think it's fabricated to earn my favour, either.

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Contrary to Daisy, most of his posts suck. But I'm just starting to feel like I should trust him, even though he sucks.

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Sorsha
insertnamehere
Scotty
Epignosis

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I thought I'd be done by now but I've got to go and run some errands. Hopefully I can finish before night ends. If I don't and I'm killed tonight someone should follow up with an MP and Eloh ISO. And everybody else. Everybody should do everybody. Just like high school.
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Hey Quin, Is everyone going to be orange-ish? I can't say that's a true rainbow :p
Banners are cool, but a pain to scroll through so...
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Elohcin wrote:Hey Quin, Is everyone going to be orange-ish? I can't say that's a true rainbow :p
Probably.
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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Ricochet wrote:Why MP, brotha?
He's one of few who hasn't declared his location yet. I'm inclined to believe the baddies would wait until later on so they can go to wherever their target goes.
This is logical. If I don't end up having to save myself then I will vote MP.

I'm also going to start keeping a list of those who go after me on Day 1 and see if they end up bad. I think people think I'm an easy target. It will take several games to determine if this is true and to use this info to find baddies, but I'm too lazy/busy with other things to go back and research other games.
:ponder:

So you're willing to vote for me under this logic even though I'm not the last one to declare?

Also, I think that's not going to do you much good. People will suspect you, whether they're mafia looking for a mislynch or townies who actually think you're suspicious. As a townie I have trouble keeping myself from finding you suspicious nearly every game we play together.
I did the same thing Eloh did, yet MP wasn't on my case about voting for him with my reasoning.
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Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Mr. Eko's Prayer/Jesus Stick - Lost Again S2 Rainbow #1

G-Man
insertnamehere
Quin
Spacedaisy


DFaraday
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
Ricochet
Scotty
Soneji
Sorsha
Why do you town read INH?
Nothing amazing, just a gut-based read. He is active and seems genuine.

Plus in another life I just led a d1 mislynch on him, so maybe I'm less apt to vote for him than I should be. :p
Not a fan of the second half of this post. Feels like backpedaling.
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
G-Man wrote:Constrained by dinner prep. My three baddie suspects are:

1. Sorsha
2. Rico
3. MP07

Voting Sorsha for now. Her use of roleplay has resulted in the lowest level of content.
How much content is really expected in a day one? Plus, you've been "suspicious" of me since I made my first post in the game entirely for what happened on the show between our characters.

I'm just looking for my son. You never answered me earlier if you had seen him.


WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!
If no one produces any game-related content on Day 1, then how do you propose we should find the mafia-aligned players?

Where is your vote going?
Any civ should be scrutinising this Sorsha post. It's a point of parity. Not terribly difficult for a baddie to fake, though.


Most of where I think MP's meat is is probably at the Day 1 CFD and the Day 3 not-really-a-CFD-but-still-felt-like-pretty-much-the-same-thing so I'll do a separate post assuming I survive. I don't know exactly what time day ends so I just wanted to get this out before night ended.

MovingPictures07, pending further reading.
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To compensate for earlier late post, I shall be bringing night forward an hour. Death will occur in around ten minutes.
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Scotty has died. He was:
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You are James "Sawyer" Ford. You are one of the good guys. That would never stop you perpetrating a long con, though. Everyone, watch out for those guns.


It is now day 4. You have 48 hours to nail a baddie. It may or may not be lylo. Votes are still changeable, and there is no hammer vote in effect.
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Day 4

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Hatch

DFaraday -Lynch
Elohcin
G-Man - Lynch
Insertnamehere
MovingPictures07
Quin
Ricochet - Kill

Beach

Dom - Kill
Epignosis
Scotty - Kill
Sorsha
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From the hatch, that leaves:

Eloh
INH
MP
Quin

I stand by my assessment of Eloh and MP. If I'm wrong, oh well. That means my vote today is going to either Quin or INH.
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@Golden - did the baddies have BTSC while we were separated?
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Re: Lost Again Mafia (Season 2) - Night 3

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MovingPictures07 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:The problem with INH's strategy, if he is mafia, is that he could have selected a different player to tunnel out of the end of d3 and convinced someone more easily to vote for them, Elo, Sorsha, and Scotty I think would have little resistance.

Since we're going into LYLO tomorrow, the tides turning on me in the moment appeared blatantly sinister, but if that is the case, it seems to be a completely reactive and perhaps poor mafia strategy.

I also am not sure INH would argue with me with such conviction and with such blatant misrepresentations if he were mafia. It seems over the top.
Following this train of thought, if INH is mafia, Quin being his teammate makes little sense. There were moments, both d1 and d3, when INH legitimately could have gotten lynched, and I'm not sure Quin is THAT ballsy to risk going after his teammate relentlessly all game. I think I was suffering tinfoil and recency bias a bit too much when I threw that out there.

Funny what a little backing away emotionally and accompanied sleep will do for a person.
Right now, MP, you're my biggest lynch candidate.

If you think me and Quin are both civ, and you yourself are civ, you need to give me a better alternative here.

GTH, who do you think is the baddie team?
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MovingPictures07 wrote:INH, I never got a response to this post, and I'd like one because I'm trying to determine whether you're a desperate baddie making a play on mislynching me tomorrow or whether you genuinely believe I'm bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:My rainbow list currently has no town reads.
Why?
why not?

some of us are better at seeing town reads than others.
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insertnamehere wrote:Sorsha's the one I have the best view of, but not by much
What is that view? Why is she your top read?
it's like I went through some kind of...procedure of removal...in my mind, and Sorsha was the one who rubbed me wrong the least. She's the least objectionable, not the most commendable. Hence the yellow hue.
I don't understand your first response. What does that mean?

But why? What about Sorsha rubs you wrong the least? What has she done that's least objectionable?
My first response was based on something you said in GY!BE mafia. It was something akin to "I find it easier to townread people than to scumread them." My mind works the opposite way. I'm verrry hesitant to award a town read to someone, especially in a game where we haven't managed to lynch a civilian yet, and it's LYLO time.

My sole townread in this game was DFaraday. And you lynched him for reasons I disagree with.

When I say that I find Sorsha the least objectionable, it's not that I think aspects of her game play indicate her civvieness, it's that I think everyone else has more scummy aspects.

If you asked me what made Sorsha civ, I'd shrug in your face. But if you asked me what makes every single other player, excluding myself and her, suspicious, I'd be able to list a couple things.

She could still easily do something suspicious, and I'd immediately change my view of her.
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I have a job interview this morning I need to psych myself up for, so I'll be in the thread around lunchtime. I have to finish my MP and Eloh ISO's.
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Good luck, Quin. What are you interviewing for?
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Elohcin wrote:Good luck, Quin. What are you interviewing for?
A customer service role at a marketing firm. Not that extravagant but it's a good step in the direction I want to go.
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I haven't yet had time for this game. Sorry all. Between spending time with Annie and packing, and then leaving out of Austin tomorrow, it'll be busy. I'll do what I can.
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I need to entertain the idea that MP and Eloh are both bad and I've been had. I'll do that later this evening.
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Let's break it down.
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insertnamehere wrote:One could easily say that you're doing the same exact thing, dude, by saying Elo definitively wasn't saved by either CFD's.

It's less of a leap for me that they were saved than it is for me to assume that they weren't, and it's all some wacky coincidence.

Furthermore, DF did consider other factors, and misrepresenting him as some one-issue pony is doing him a disservice.

He made 24 posts in this thread and the Hatch thread. Only 1/8th of them said anything about Day 1 being a save.

You're honestly gonna tell me that I'M misrepresenting YOU?

Whatever dude.
....I NEVER SAID EITHER OF THESE THINGS.

INH, seriously, if you are town and you want us to have a constructive conversation, politely I'm going to have to tell you to go back and reading my freaking posts. I'm not going to respond to you if you keep throwing out blatant misrepresentations literally every time you talk about me, because that's all you've done.
You misrepresent and suspect anyone who thinks Elo was saved on Day 1 or 3 by painting them as small minded people who aren't considering the bigger picture. You accuse anyone who suspects you of blatant misrepresentation, forcing them to waste an hour of their life combing through your post history highlighting examples in order to force you to actually answer the points they made against you.

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insertnamehere wrote:I really dislike the CFD shenanigans that occurred here. Going into Day 2, the Soneji voter-dudes are who I'm gonna be looking at.
Why wouldn't you look at and evaluate everyone's votes?
Attempting to discourage me from looking at Soneji voters.
MovingPictures07 wrote:"Save" arguments are putting the cart ahead of horse. It's just as likely that the baddies took advantage of a multi-town wagon.
MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't agree with sweeping generalizations, and I think that teammate interactions cannot be accurately surmised until we have one mafia flip. Everyone should be individually assessed for their votes.
Discouraging people from reading D1 as an Elo save attempt; covering his ass.
MovingPictures07 wrote:If anything, I find DF and Elo's predetermined hyperfocus on Soneji voters to be suspicious at face value, but I'm trying not to let disagreements in approach color my vision there too much.

First attempt to cast shade against people who think Elo was saved. Funny how his attempt to not let his vision get colored by disagreements in approach lasted roughly 2 phases.

After this, and in the Hatch thread, MP goes after Elo pretty hard, and votes for her D2. *cough*DISTANCING*cough*

aaaaand then this happens:

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DFaraday wrote:That's just one factor. The bigger issue for me is the Day 1 lynch, which still looks like a blatant save attempt. Since G-Man wasn't being saved, the most logical option is Elo. And of course Rico suspected Elo shortly before his demise.
I found this dubious before, and I still find it dubious.

If anyone is taking advantage of a scummy-seeming town Elo, it's DFaraday.

Interesting back-pedaling. Lemme put on my tinfoil: mayhaps he was attempting to bus Elo D2, but luckily G-Man got the numbers to be eliminated. Plus there was a definite need to distance himself after D1. Now that he has a vote for Elo on his record, he can turn around and start going after the people who think Elo was saved. Tinfoil off.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I could see a universe in which DF and INH are bad and are 'setting up' easy mislynches.


The only person who is mislynching anyone is you, MP. In fact, if you get your wish, and I get lynched today, you'll be personally responsible for 3/4ths of why the civilians lost this game. You're a smart cookie, MP, so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're doing this out of malevolence.

But yeah. We say Elo was saved D1. You go after us for it, while insisting that "you're open to both sides." C'mon. You really expect us to buy you're hemming and hawwing over whether or not Elo and DF were saved?

Whatever dude.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm torn on Elo. I really, really thought she was bad. I'm less inclined to think she is, but I am not completely ignoring the perspective that she's just feigning all of this. Her contributions are weak either way, and I still think her town read of me reads like she has information that I'm town rather than any compelling in-thread reason to believe I'm town.

What exactly made this flippy floppy? Were you tryin' to do your best? You need to lock the door and kill the beast!

Kill it!

But seriously, this explanation for why he went from trying to lynch Elo D2 to trying to lynch her accusers D3 is as vague as a Brian Eno ambient track. Got anything you want to add?
First you insinuated that I wanted DF gone because he suspected me... and he never named me by name.

Furthermore, in here, I've never said that Elo and G-Man were never saved. I just thought the notion was incredibly dubious, because I initiated the CFD, and I know I'm town, Daisy joined me and I'm pretty sure she isn't town, and generally it's much more common that mafia members will try to pile on various town wagons on d1 precisely for this reason. All I've said all game is that there's no reason to believe there was a save any more than there's reason to believe that there wasn't a save and everyone who had votes on d1 was town. I've never debunked or "definitively" said there wasn't.

Also, I never said that's all DF posts said; I said that the ONE ASSUMPTION that dictated all of his suspicions was that "there was a d1 save". This is true. If you can find literally any suspect that DF had that wasn't dictated by this one flimsy assumption, INH, by all means.
I'm sorry MP, but I'm not you. I don't know that when you do suspicious looking things, you mean well because you're a civilian. I just see a person doing suspicious things.

Lemme isolate this one quote from the above:
All I've said all game is that there's no reason to believe there was a save any more than there's reason to believe that there wasn't a save and everyone who had votes on d1 was town.
I disagree with this. With this logic, literally all vote histories are completely inadmissable. You're trying to say that lynching a civilian isn't an inherently suspicious act, and rather the suspicion lies with those who find others for it. That's some weird, flawed, desperate justification-y logic right there.

You expect others to seriously not find people suspicious for lynching a civilian?

Also, you think SD is scum? Where did this come from?
MovingPictures07 wrote:If Daisy is bad, I will record video of myself eating a hat. This is her town game.
Alas, I think the earlier post is a typo, and we shall see no hat-eating videos.

But yeah, I think you and Daisy both are as suspicious as that Henry Gale guy for lynching those two civilians. Sorry, three civilians in Daisy's case.

It's like when Jill Stein says "we need to look into whether vaccines cause autism" and responds to criticism with "what? I never said I think vaccines cause autism, I was just saying we can't definitively rule it out!"

You saying "we can't judge the people who joined either CFD" is pretty much the same as saying "the CFD's weren't save attempts" in my book, no matter how hard you spin it.

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First you insinuated that I wanted DF gone because he suspected me... and he never named me by name.
Wrong.

I insinuated that you wanted DF gone because he thought Elo was saved D1, which implicated you. Just him bandying about the idea that it was a save, and basing some suspicions on it was enough for you to both completely discredit and lynch the dude.
Also, I never said that's all DF posts said; I said that the ONE ASSUMPTION that dictated all of his suspicions was that "there was a d1 save". This is true. If you can find literally any suspect that DF had that wasn't dictated by this one flimsy assumption, INH, by all means.
Let's flex our high-school English muscles and analyze the diction of this quote.
ONE ASSUMPTION
dictated all of his suspicions
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flimsy assumption
This is the most discrediting "I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS PERSON" language imaginable.

But yeah, let's take MP's sneering little wager, and climb into the ISO time machine to once again analyze DF's posts, because if I don't, MP just won't respond to me.

Nice trick, this. Switching the roles, making your accuser be the one on the defensive while you ignore his points and force him to comb through ISOs.

I'll remember this next time I'm bad, it'll come in handy.

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Anyway, I don't think it's a coincidence that two of Rico's top suspects, G-Man and Elo, were here in the hatch with Rico and he turns up dead. WIFOM and all that, but right now I'd wager it's one of those two.
G-Man looks worse than Elo in this regard since she claimed hatch before Rico did. I mean to get to the other hatch residents as well, but I'm almost likely not voting for any of the beach dwellers this time, since we know for a fact that a baddie is here. Unless someone can present an outstanding case for one of them, I'll be voting someone on our side.
G-Man's reluctance to share throughout this game makes me view him more suspiciously as well.
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Sorsha wrote:And I think it's borderline mean to pick on me for low contribution on day one when that pretty much all I ever have on day one
Sorsha wrote:Lower posters, Scotty and DF declared their locations fairly quickly and skedaddled. That seems a bit suspicious to me, knowing how civs like to tear themselves apart in games- it would benefit them to get business out of the way and then fade out of the convo.
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Scotty wrote:I literally hopped on here last second to vote and saw I had voted so I voted Soneji. To save myself
You had one vote on you, mate. I mean, that's not exactly mortal danger, is it?
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Elohcin wrote:You said, you understand what Quin is doing. You say it's done a lot in small games like this. I am 100% honest in saying that I have NO CLUE what you are talking about. What is done a lot in small games like this one?

Linki.....now see...you are evading my questions too. You and Quin are having yourselves a little laugh in the BTSC thread aren't you?

"LOL, Quin, I'm getting in on this too. I'm going to annoy Eloh just like you have been. It, it, it! :P"
"Good job, Sorsha. We can easily get her lynched if we keep this up. And look, Daisy is being fooled by it all too. That other game where she fooled Epi is really playing in our favor."
"Wassup guy!, DF here. Epi is on to me. :O"

More linki....Quin, I have too much stuff that goes on in my life. I don't remember crap from game to game. Once the game is over, I have to empty out the details so I can function as a business owner, stay-at-home, homeschooling mother of three.

More linki (from SD)I will read in a minute
But if you knew about the power claiming stuff in another game, that doesn't seem the sort of thing you'd up and forget all about. Also, nice triple NO U. Voting Elo.
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But seriously, I really dislike the CFD shenanigans that occurred here. Going into Day 2, the Soneji voter-dudes are who I'm gonna be looking at.
That was absolute bollocks. Nobody talks about Soneji all day, then with ten minutes to go the votes pile on? That's bloody ludicrous!

If anyone asked me, I'd think the baddies are made up of two Soneji voters and either Eloh, Sorsha or G-Man. This just screams save. :disappoint:
DFaraday wrote:That's just one factor. The bigger issue for me is the Day 1 lynch, which still looks like a blatant save attempt. Since G-Man wasn't being saved, the most logical option is Elo. And of course Rico suspected Elo shortly before his demise.
I think one or two of the Soneji voters were trying to save someone (I think G-Man). Since Rico died I'm feeling either Elo or G-Man is the culprit.
Now here's how MP painted DFaraday to the thread. I've bolded some descriptive language MP uses for emphasis.
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MovingPictures07 wrote:I found this dubious before, and I still find it dubious.

If anyone is taking advantage of a scummy-seeming town Elo, it's DFaraday.
MovingPictures07 wrote:I could see a universe in which DF and INH are bad and are 'setting up' easy mislynches.
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Spacedaisy wrote:Why would you have not voted for Scotty? I don't know if it was a bad choice, but it makes no sense to flip your vote all over the place and not give any reason why you are voting for that person. And the fact that Scotty (the person you said you wanted to vote for) had already voted for him, it makes even less sense to me. At least I had a reason for my vote.

As far as the assessment of me, I can understand why he thinks that. He's wrong, I was not aware voting for G-Man would prevent Elo from dying. I wasn't saving her. I wasn't saving her the first time either. But I can understand why it might look that way yes. My eyeroll was not about that it was about the fact that of course you would jump on that, considering everything I've said before that about you.

Right now I could see casting a vote for Elo, Scotty, or Sorsha right now. Probably in that order. Though I might be willing to swap Scotty and Elo, I don't know. Epi's defense of her is holding me back, because he usually seems to be right, but she has gotten good at fooling him I've noticed, so yeah... Meh.
What do you make of DFaraday?
Giving Daisy the opportunity to agree so that her vote doesn't seem random.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Quin v. Elo is increasingly reading town v. town to me. I think our mafia are sitting back and letting town fight it out. I'm inclined to think some combination of DF, INH, Scotty, and Sorsha are our baddies.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Everything about DF's gameplay is really bugging me. This is basically what he's done since the Soneji CFD:

- Soneji voters must be bad! Look at how they mislynched him out of nowhere! They were saving G-Man or Elo for sure.
- Votes for G-Man based on that logic, comes up town. It must be Elo!
- Then proceeds to vote for Elo based on the same faulty logic.

All of this despite me and Epi telling him that literally all of his suspicions/thoughts are based on one flimsy assumption: that someone was being saved on Day 1. I think that's ridiculously dubious.
MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't get the impression at all that DF cares about solving the game at all. I'd like to lynch him today.
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Spacedaisy wrote:@ MP - Up until your post on him setting up easy lynches, I hadn't really thought anything of him. In reading the Hatch thread I thought briefly that he seemed more engaged that he normally comes across to me, but I don't think that is necessarily a baddie tell or anything, he is usually disengaged either way I believe. But your post about setting up lynches was a good point. He basically has a lynch lined up no matter what result Elo might flip, which would be a nice place for a baddie to be sitting. It is something to consider.
INH is doing the exact same thing in that post I quoted. I find it equally suspect.

Both DF and INH seem so uninterested in actually hunting for mafia. They're just drawing connections based on incredibly dubious assumptions.
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm voting DFaraday as well. He's not considering any perspectives that don't fit his incredibly rigid plan that someone was being saved d1. I think he's using it as a smokescreen to set up consecutive mislynches.

He says, after saying that they should lynch INH next. :meany:

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Quin wrote:I don't like either of the two who are currently voting with me. But I also don't want to move my vote.
I understand your reservations about Elo. Trust me. I came into this thread ready to grill her to oblivion. I still have doubts lingering in the back of my mind.

But contrast her game with DF and INH's games. Their games are the epitome of lacking any town spark whatsoever. They don't indicate any consideration of hunting.

Take a leap of faith with me.


The complete frankly ridiculous level of hyperbole in the third line makes me snigger like a schoolgirl every time I read it. I'm considering adding "lacking any town spark whatsover" to my signature as a badge of honor.

MovingPictures07 wrote:What puts INH over DF for you specifically?

I'm open-minded to considering INH; we just have to make sure we have a sufficient wagon going. I'd rather vote for DF because I feel ever so slightly more confident about him, but as long as we're lynching one of them over someone else, I don't really care.
MP, you're very resistant to anyone calling D1 a save, because you led the CFD, and you know you're a civilian, so naturally, they must be patently incorrect.

You can maybe see how when I read the sentence "as long as we're lynching one of them over someone else, I don't really care," and you were talking about two people I know to be civilians, I was more than a little bit suspicious of you.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Epi and Elo, would you be willing to vote INH?
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MovingPictures07 wrote:Epi and Elo, would you be willing to vote INH?
Not at this time. I am not convinced he is bad.
Why? What specifically do you find suspicious enough about DF to vote for him, but not about INH?


Now he's trying to lynch me, despite barely interacting with me the entire game, because I've considered D1 to be a save. That, plus my evident complete and utter lack of town spark.
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DFaraday wrote:What the bloody hell bollocks is this? I'm getting lynched for being too focused on one sodding person? MP, you say I am not trying to solve the game. What about all the players just voting with the flow? Is that really better? The baddies are obviously steering the lunches. At this point I bet it isn't even Elo. It's probably the sodding band wagoners.
That's not the reason.

The one assumption that literally your entire game has focused on has been "someone was saved d1", even though you have no reason to believe that to be more likely than all of the vote-receivers being town on d1. I have pointed this out. Epi has pointed this out. You don't seem to care.
MovingPictures07 wrote:DF's response is unconvincing. I'm content with my vote.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Dinner time, BBL.

Linki: Well, fuck. RIP DF. I'm sorry I was wrong, but I don't regret my decision; I still stand by my assessment.

Now I suppose it's time to re-assess again.
MP uses the same loaded language over and over when referring to DFaraday and yours truly. He calls thinking D1 was a save a "flimsy and dubious assumption" upon which "literally DF's entire game" was based upon. Plus, "DF and INH aren't hunting," and "lack town spark."

I'm surprised he didn't just start calling DF "Lyin' Faraday."
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