Sure, we could. But by accepting that we would also have to accept a lot of contradictory behavior in Coleman's ISO, which wouldn't be wise.Bela Fleck wrote:Or we can jsu accpt those are his to clears and move on like i knew after his flip
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You know what's funny?
What's funny is that you claim to have thought that Coleman was the cop before the flip, partly because he said at one point that I was confirmed civ, yet at the time he said that, you were still advocating that I was a baddie.
What's funny is that you claim to have thought that Coleman was the cop before the flip, partly because he said at one point that I was confirmed civ, yet at the time he said that, you were still advocating that I was a baddie.
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About two and a half hours later...Ornette Coleman wrote:Mingus is a confirmed civ.
Bela Fleck wrote:So its between mingus/hiromi like silver said.
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Haha oh look a silent vote for Dixon.
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i know i was, i did it intetionaly, like i said, POE wins out every timeCharles Mingus wrote:You know what's funny?
What's funny is that you claim to have thought that Coleman was the cop before the flip, partly because he said at one point that I was confirmed civ, yet at the time he said that, you were still advocating that I was a baddie.
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Plus epi, you used a lot fo meta here for someone who says they dont use it
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But of course I shouldn't single out Fleck for doing essentially the same thing Coltrane did more recently.
John Coltrane wrote:Wow This makes me not want to lynch Dixon, are you mafia man? Since I'd expect town to be more observant and not say we should Lycnh two people who could be easily mislynches, espacilly since one is cop cleared. This is a sloppy bandwagon attempt.Charles Mingus wrote:I will oppose any lynch that isn't Coltrane, Dixon, or Fleck.
John Coltrane wrote:If you look at the posts of our cop, then yeah you can puzzle out who might be a confirmed civ.
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Hye look mingus did the same thing!Charles Mingus wrote:I will oppose any lynch that isn't Coltrane, Dixon, or Fleck.
isnt it funny how the pot and kettle ar eblack
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What does either lying about reading me as bad or lying about thinking Coleman was the cop have to do with process of elimination?Bela Fleck wrote:i know i was, i did it intetionaly, like i said, POE wins out every timeCharles Mingus wrote:You know what's funny?
What's funny is that you claim to have thought that Coleman was the cop before the flip, partly because he said at one point that I was confirmed civ, yet at the time he said that, you were still advocating that I was a baddie.
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Please stop using non-sock account names to refer to players that aren't dead yet.Bela Fleck wrote:Plus epi, you used a lot fo meta here for someone who says they dont use it
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What do you mean the same thing? Elaborate.Bela Fleck wrote:Hye look mingus did the same thing!Charles Mingus wrote:I will oppose any lynch that isn't Coltrane, Dixon, or Fleck.
isnt it funny how the pot and kettle ar eblack
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Ricochet wrote:Sockguessing is up to you, if you think it serves the game.[/u][/b]
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You're not sockguessing, you're sockassuming.Bela Fleck wrote:Ricochet wrote:Sockguessing is up to you, if you think it serves the game.[/u][/b]
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Charles Mingus wrote:What do you mean the same thing? Elaborate.Bela Fleck wrote:Hye look mingus did the same thing!Charles Mingus wrote:I will oppose any lynch that isn't Coltrane, Dixon, or Fleck.
isnt it funny how the pot and kettle ar eblack
your post used someon else who is cop cleared. so you bitching about us is hiporcitcal consideing you ddi the same, hence the prhase "pot meet kettle, both are black"Ornette Coleman wrote:John Coltrane is a confirmed civ.
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same thing overallCharles Mingus wrote:You're not sockguessing, you're sockassuming.Bela Fleck wrote:Ricochet wrote:Sockguessing is up to you, if you think it serves the game.[/u][/b]
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i already explined the cop scnario thing, the lyign is wifom galoreCharles Mingus wrote:What does either lying about reading me as bad or lying about thinking Coleman was the cop have to do with process of elimination?Bela Fleck wrote:i know i was, i did it intetionaly, like i said, POE wins out every timeCharles Mingus wrote:You know what's funny?
What's funny is that you claim to have thought that Coleman was the cop before the flip, partly because he said at one point that I was confirmed civ, yet at the time he said that, you were still advocating that I was a baddie.
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You wonder why I haven't been responding to you that much and this is why. Yet again,, even after I've outright stated it, you miss my point completely. My point against Coltrane (as well as Potter) is that they wanted to take Coleman's words as gospel while both simultaneously suspecting me. Since I, unlike them, refuse to take Coleman's words as gospel, then it's not hypocritical for me to still suspect Coltrane. Another thing that helps my argument for not taking Coleman's words as gospel is because Potter was using Coleman's temporary vote for me to justify a suspicion, while conveniently ignoring when he said that I was confirmed civ. Since he's not wrong about the temporary vote and not wrong to wonder why that temporary vote was cast, it calls Coleman's actions into question.Bela Fleck wrote:Charles Mingus wrote:What do you mean the same thing? Elaborate.Bela Fleck wrote:Hye look mingus did the same thing!Charles Mingus wrote:I will oppose any lynch that isn't Coltrane, Dixon, or Fleck.
isnt it funny how the pot and kettle ar eblackyour post used someon else who is cop cleared. so you bitching about us is hiporcitcal consideing you ddi the same, hence the prhase "pot meet kettle, both are black"Ornette Coleman wrote:John Coltrane is a confirmed civ.
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Right like how "confirmed civ" is the same thing overall as "Bela Fleck thinks they are civ". Is Newspeak your native language?Bela Fleck wrote:same thing overallCharles Mingus wrote:You're not sockguessing, you're sockassuming.Bela Fleck wrote:Ricochet wrote:Sockguessing is up to you, if you think it serves the game.[/u][/b]
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Thats not the point at all and your missing my poitn entirely, it doest matter if you follow it or not, its a matter of whats laid out.Charles Mingus wrote: You wonder why I haven't been responding to you that much and this is why. Yet again,, even after I've outright stated it, you miss my point completely. My point against Coltrane (as well as Potter) is that they wanted to take Coleman's words as gospel while both simultaneously suspecting me. Since I, unlike them, refuse to take Coleman's words as gospel, then it's not hypocritical for me to still suspect Coltrane. Another thing that helps my argument for not taking Coleman's words as gospel is because Potter was using Coleman's temporary vote for me to justify a suspicion, while conveniently ignoring when he said that I was confirmed civ. Since he's not wrong about the temporary vote and not wrong to wonder why that temporary vote was cast, it calls Coleman's actions into question.
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And you do realize that, especially in this case, that WIFOM is working against a civ read of you and not in favor of it, right?Bela Fleck wrote:i already explined the cop scnario thing, the lyign is wifom galoreCharles Mingus wrote:What does either lying about reading me as bad or lying about thinking Coleman was the cop have to do with process of elimination?Bela Fleck wrote:i know i was, i did it intetionaly, like i said, POE wins out every timeCharles Mingus wrote:You know what's funny?
What's funny is that you claim to have thought that Coleman was the cop before the flip, partly because he said at one point that I was confirmed civ, yet at the time he said that, you were still advocating that I was a baddie.
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im sorry are apples now oranges?Charles Mingus wrote:Right like how "confirmed civ" is the same thing overall as "Bela Fleck thinks they are civ". Is Newspeak your native language?Bela Fleck wrote:same thing overallCharles Mingus wrote:You're not sockguessing, you're sockassuming.Bela Fleck wrote:Ricochet wrote:Sockguessing is up to you, if you think it serves the game.[/u][/b]
you gonna adress the orional point or not? way to change subjects
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Either I don't understand or you're avoiding a legitimate response. Either way, please elaborate.Bela Fleck wrote:Thats not the point at all and your missing my poitn entirely, it doest matter if you follow it or not, its a matter of whats laid out.Charles Mingus wrote: You wonder why I haven't been responding to you that much and this is why. Yet again,, even after I've outright stated it, you miss my point completely. My point against Coltrane (as well as Potter) is that they wanted to take Coleman's words as gospel while both simultaneously suspecting me. Since I, unlike them, refuse to take Coleman's words as gospel, then it's not hypocritical for me to still suspect Coltrane. Another thing that helps my argument for not taking Coleman's words as gospel is because Potter was using Coleman's temporary vote for me to justify a suspicion, while conveniently ignoring when he said that I was confirmed civ. Since he's not wrong about the temporary vote and not wrong to wonder why that temporary vote was cast, it calls Coleman's actions into question.
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And do you realize, especially in my case, i dont give a damn whats works for and aganist me? do you realzie that eveythign you are askign em is town me?Charles Mingus wrote:And you do realize that, especially in this case, that WIFOM is working against a civ read of you and not in favor of it, right?Bela Fleck wrote:i already explined the cop scnario thing, the lyign is wifom galoreCharles Mingus wrote:What does either lying about reading me as bad or lying about thinking Coleman was the cop have to do with process of elimination?Bela Fleck wrote:i know i was, i did it intetionaly, like i said, POE wins out every timeCharles Mingus wrote:You know what's funny?
What's funny is that you claim to have thought that Coleman was the cop before the flip, partly because he said at one point that I was confirmed civ, yet at the time he said that, you were still advocating that I was a baddie.
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What original point? How did I change subjects? What was the original subject and which subject did I change it to? Why is your tongue brown?Bela Fleck wrote:im sorry are apples now oranges?Charles Mingus wrote:Right like how "confirmed civ" is the same thing overall as "Bela Fleck thinks they are civ". Is Newspeak your native language?Bela Fleck wrote:same thing overallCharles Mingus wrote:You're not sockguessing, you're sockassuming.Bela Fleck wrote:Ricochet wrote:Sockguessing is up to you, if you think it serves the game.[/u][/b]
you gonna adress the orional point or not? way to change subjects
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This is some crazy jazz.
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Either I don't understand or you're avoiding a legitimate response. Either way, please elaborate.[/quote]Charles Mingus wrote:
Thats not the point at all and your missing my poitn entirely, it doest matter if you follow it or not, its a matter of whats laid out.
my point is this: he is cop with the supposive clears he had, even if you dont take it as godspell, you have at least considered it. even your psoting now shows you ahev at least had a thoguht of it.
SO no matter what ange you take at this, its hipoctical of you to yell at us abotu this stuff when you are guilty of doing it yourself
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And do you realize that your being consciously aware of what your town meta is means that you can emulate it when you're not town, and that no one in their right mind is going to take your word for it when you use meta defenses as the only reason why you've been consistently scummy throughout the game?Bela Fleck wrote:And do you realize, especially in my case, i dont give a damn whats works for and aganist me? do you realzie that eveythign you are askign em is town me?Charles Mingus wrote:And you do realize that, especially in this case, that WIFOM is working against a civ read of you and not in favor of it, right?Bela Fleck wrote:i already explined the cop scnario thing, the lyign is wifom galoreCharles Mingus wrote:What does either lying about reading me as bad or lying about thinking Coleman was the cop have to do with process of elimination?Bela Fleck wrote:i know i was, i did it intetionaly, like i said, POE wins out every timeCharles Mingus wrote:You know what's funny?
What's funny is that you claim to have thought that Coleman was the cop before the flip, partly because he said at one point that I was confirmed civ, yet at the time he said that, you were still advocating that I was a baddie.
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the orignal convo was about the sockguess vs sock assume you changed it entirely, if they ar enot the same plz tell me.Charles Mingus wrote:What original point? How did I change subjects? What was the original subject and which subject did I change it to? Why is your tongue brown?Bela Fleck wrote:im sorry are apples now oranges?Charles Mingus wrote:Right like how "confirmed civ" is the same thing overall as "Bela Fleck thinks they are civ". Is Newspeak your native language?Bela Fleck wrote:same thing overallCharles Mingus wrote:You're not sockguessing, you're sockassuming.Bela Fleck wrote:Ricochet wrote:Sockguessing is up to you, if you think it serves the game.[/u][/b]
you gonna adress the orional point or not? way to change subjects
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i know right? want to join in??Miles Davis wrote:This is some crazy jazz.
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And you would realzie that silver knows me better then anyone and if i was scum she would of died n1?Charles Mingus wrote: And do you realize that your being consciously aware of what your town meta is means that you can emulate it when you're not town, and that no one in their right mind is going to take your word for it when you use meta defenses as the only reason why you've been consistently scummy throughout the game?
do you realize that not everyon can jsut go "ok change meta" like you say?
do you relaize i will use meta defense all the time? and that fi you scum read me for it you can never accurately read me?
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also seeing how silverowlf did not only agree with it but used it, your poitn is invaild
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my point is this: he is cop with the supposive clears he had, even if you dont take it as godspell, you have at least considered it. even your psoting now shows you ahev at least had a thoguht of it.Bela Fleck wrote:Either I don't understand or you're avoiding a legitimate response. Either way, please elaborate.Charles Mingus wrote:
Thats not the point at all and your missing my poitn entirely, it doest matter if you follow it or not, its a matter of whats laid out.
SO no matter what ange you take at this, its hipoctical of you to yell at us abotu this stuff when you are guilty of doing it yourself[/quote]
If this is your point then I wasn't missing it at all to begin with. I've already explained why it's not hypocritical of me to "yell" at Coltrane and Potter and if you're going to pretend that explanation doesn't exist then be my guest. I've repeated myself enough with you already.
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They're not the same. That's what I did tell you. How the hell did I change the subject lmao?Bela Fleck wrote: the orignal convo was about the sockguess vs sock assume you changed it entirely, if they ar enot the same plz tell me.
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If this is your point then I wasn't missing it at all to begin with. I've already explained why it's not hypocritical of me to "yell" at Coltrane and Potter and if you're going to pretend that explanation doesn't exist then be my guest. I've repeated myself enough with you already.[/quote]Charles Mingus wrote:my point is this: he is cop with the supposive clears he had, even if you dont take it as godspell, you have at least considered it. even your psoting now shows you ahev at least had a thoguht of it.Bela Fleck wrote:Either I don't understand or you're avoiding a legitimate response. Either way, please elaborate.Charles Mingus wrote:
Thats not the point at all and your missing my poitn entirely, it doest matter if you follow it or not, its a matter of whats laid out.
SO no matter what ange you take at this, its hipoctical of you to yell at us abotu this stuff when you are guilty of doing it yourself
i read it full well, but you used the same thing no matter what angle you take
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you never explaiend how thye were diffrent, you jsut said "no not same"Charles Mingus wrote:They're not the same. That's what I did tell you. How the hell did I change the subject lmao?Bela Fleck wrote: the orignal convo was about the sockguess vs sock assume you changed it entirely, if they ar enot the same plz tell me.
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You can't prove that you would always kill Silver on Night 1 every single game you play with her, you can't even prove that to yourself. That's not something that one can "realize" because it's subject to change.Bela Fleck wrote:And you would realzie that silver knows me better then anyone and if i was scum she would of died n1?Charles Mingus wrote: And do you realize that your being consciously aware of what your town meta is means that you can emulate it when you're not town, and that no one in their right mind is going to take your word for it when you use meta defenses as the only reason why you've been consistently scummy throughout the game?
do you realize that not everyon can jsut go "ok change meta" like you say?
do you relaize i will use meta defense all the time? and that fi you scum read me for it you can never accurately read me?
You don't even need to go "ok change meta" to consciously emulate your town play. Literally every scum player with more than a couple of games worth of experience does that without even thinking or going out of their way to attempt to do so. Meta defenses mean nothing.
I don't scum read you for having meta defenses by themselves, I'm scum reading you because you've been consistently disingenuous, opportunistic, and manipulative throughout the game. The meta defenses just don't help change my mind is all.
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there ya go epiCharles Mingus wrote: You can't prove that you would always kill Silver on Night 1 every single game you play with her, you can't even prove that to yourself. That's not something that one can "realize" because it's subject to change.
can and would, if i have my was of doign night kills i would always kill her n1. shes is the most fearsome player i know
You don't even need to go "ok change meta" to consciously emulate your town play. Literally every scum player with more than a couple of games worth of experience does that without even thinking or going out of their way to attempt to do so. Meta defenses mean nothing.
been playing for 4 years and have not been able to change my meta much. my meta has been constant for about the past 2 years and i have failed to change it every time
I don't scum read you for having meta defenses by themselves, I'm scum reading you because you've been consistently disingenuous, opportunistic, and manipulative throughout the game. The meta defenses just don't help change my mind is all.
so.... just about everything that dfines town me?
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I didn't know I actually needed to explain to you how guessing and assuming are not the same thing, holy shit. A guess is not set in stone, other options can be considered. An assumption on the other hand does not consider other options. A guess would be "You might be Epi but I don't have any proof" while an assumption is "You're Epi but I don't have any proof".Bela Fleck wrote:you never explaiend how thye were diffrent, you jsut said "no not same"Charles Mingus wrote:They're not the same. That's what I did tell you. How the hell did I change the subject lmao?Bela Fleck wrote: the orignal convo was about the sockguess vs sock assume you changed it entirely, if they ar enot the same plz tell me.
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We've clogged up enough of the thread with this garbage, I don't see any progress being made here.
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techancly speoaking im still guessing its epi here.Charles Mingus wrote:I didn't know I actually needed to explain to you how guessing and assuming are not the same thing, holy shit. A guess is not set in stone, other options can be considered. An assumption on the other hand does not consider other options. A guess would be "You might be Epi but I don't have any proof" while an assumption is "You're Epi but I don't have any proof".Bela Fleck wrote:you never explaiend how thye were diffrent, you jsut said "no not same"Charles Mingus wrote:They're not the same. That's what I did tell you. How the hell did I change the subject lmao?Bela Fleck wrote: the orignal convo was about the sockguess vs sock assume you changed it entirely, if they ar enot the same plz tell me.
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i disagree, i think we are makign a lot of progress. we had sevral nice convos and i leanred you are a sithCharles Mingus wrote:We've clogged up enough of the thread with this garbage, I don't see any progress being made here.
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Re: [Take / Day 4] Esbjörn Svensson Trio Mafia
I don't oppose a Dixon lynch but Potter is actually looking worse to me right now, and since his lynch seems more likely than Fleck's then I'm moving to Potter.
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You knw you could elborate on thatCharles Mingus wrote:I don't oppose a Dixon lynch but Potter is actually looking worse to me right now, and since his lynch seems more likely than Fleck's then I'm moving to Potter.
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He damn should. You'll be killing a civilian if you lynch me. Why am I looking worse than Dixon or Hiromi?
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Shit, I didn't pay attention. Sorry for that. Still weird that he put a vote on you, though, but hey it's Vompatti...Charles Mingus wrote:Chris Potter wrote:There must be a very good reason why Vompatti placed a vote on you, Mingus. He chose not to lynch anyone on day 1. Did he check you? That's what I ask myself. Perhaps you're the baddie after all.Ornette Coleman wrote:Mingus is a confirmed civ.
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Re: [Take / Day 4] Esbjörn Svensson Trio Mafia
That "hey it's Vompatti" comment sure clashes with your previous "There must be a very good reason" comment.Chris Potter wrote:Shit, I didn't pay attention. Sorry for that. Still weird that he put a vote on you, though, but hey it's Vompatti...Charles Mingus wrote:Chris Potter wrote:There must be a very good reason why Vompatti placed a vote on you, Mingus. He chose not to lynch anyone on day 1. Did he check you? That's what I ask myself. Perhaps you're the baddie after all.Ornette Coleman wrote:Mingus is a confirmed civ.
Re: [Take / Day 4] Esbjörn Svensson Trio Mafia
Bela Fleck wrote:You knw you could elborate on thatCharles Mingus wrote:I don't oppose a Dixon lynch but Potter is actually looking worse to me right now, and since his lynch seems more likely than Fleck's then I'm moving to Potter.
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Re: [Take / Day 4] Esbjörn Svensson Trio Mafia
I literally just did. You are unfathomable.
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Re: [Take / Day 4] Esbjörn Svensson Trio Mafia
He's unpredictable, but not insane. Can't really dismiss all of his acts as unreasonable. I, however, had not seen the "Mingus is a confirmed civ." post.Charles Mingus wrote:That "hey it's Vompatti" comment sure clashes with your previous "There must be a very good reason" comment.Chris Potter wrote:Shit, I didn't pay attention. Sorry for that. Still weird that he put a vote on you, though, but hey it's Vompatti...Charles Mingus wrote:Chris Potter wrote:There must be a very good reason why Vompatti placed a vote on you, Mingus. He chose not to lynch anyone on day 1. Did he check you? That's what I ask myself. Perhaps you're the baddie after all.Ornette Coleman wrote:Mingus is a confirmed civ.