[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

[Golden]

Well, I tried. I really really tried.

If ika flips scum, I'll be astonished.

In the mean time - Enrique, sig, LC - I'm coming for you all. I think it couldn't be more obvious that the Fuzz train was NOT a save, as though anything like that is EVER a save. Reminds me of eactly what people were saying when I was getting together a lynch train with JJJ and FZ in GoC to try to avoid that ridiculous four way tie. Guess what? Everyone involved that time was civ too.

Baddies don't do that kind of thing.

[Enrique]

I mean, Golden, if you're gonna justify everything through WIFOM there's not a lot of discussion to have.

[S~V~S]

I was replying to a post 5 minutes ago, lol.

Becasue Fuzz actually did something other than trigger someones gut

[a2thezebra]

Linki: I dislike the speed of this wagon I dislike how quicly everyone jumped on it, I dislike both Silver's and Ikas posts. The lack of good reasoning and the fact no one ever voiced anything about fuzz until know.

But does the Fuzz wagon being suspect make ika automatically bad?

I don't think there is a one or the other case with these two options. Whichever one is lynched wont give us any leads to the alignment of the other one, given how little they've interacted with eachother until now.

I agree. In these past few posts I've seen a lot of "when I flip civ" or "when they flip civ vote for such and such person" and I don't get it.

[a2thezebra]

I was replying to a post 5 minutes ago, lol.

Becasue Fuzz actually did something other than trigger someones gut

Did he though?

[Quin]

how confident you are sig, are you willing to bet your vote on his flip? if he flips scum i get yourn vote, if he flips town you have mty vote, you game?

Now this is something I've never seen before.

[Golden]

I mean, Golden, if you're gonna justify everything through WIFOM there's not a lot of discussion to have.

I agree. Matt is not at top of mind any more. You are. I think you acted in that end day as scummy as heck. If there was a save, it was a save of Fuzz.

[Sloonei]

I don't think the idea that Fuzz said he didn't want to vote ika, and then did, is suspicious. I think it's unusual, but he wasn't trying to save himself at that point, so then what's the point? Save gleam? Why would he say he's not voting ika if he knew he might have to save gleam?

I find it suspicious because, in his own words, he "didn't care" who got lynched. Whether he admits that or not, it reflects poorly on him with regards to his perceived alignment. Like some of his other posts, it has the appearance of activity without actually committing to anything.

[ika]

Linki: I dislike the speed of this wagon I dislike how quicly everyone jumped on it, I dislike both Silver's and Ikas posts. The lack of good reasoning and the fact no one ever voiced anything about fuzz until know.

But does the Fuzz wagon being suspect make ika automatically bad?

It is either an attempt to save Ika or Epi, which I've said.

when i flip town you better lynch fuzzy next

Why Fuzzy and not Epi?

both of them need to die, hes defening fuzzy so i want him to stck to that. im indiffrent overall

[Golden]

Wish I'd tried to get votes from one of those loan sharks, now.

[a2thezebra]

I think most of the Fuzz votes are disingenuous. Maybe not all anti-town, but disingenuous.

[Golden]

I think most of the Fuzz votes are disingenuous. Maybe not all anti-town, but disingenuous.

I think none of them are either.

[a2thezebra]

Linki: I dislike the speed of this wagon I dislike how quicly everyone jumped on it, I dislike both Silver's and Ikas posts. The lack of good reasoning and the fact no one ever voiced anything about fuzz until know.

But does the Fuzz wagon being suspect make ika automatically bad?

It is either an attempt to save Ika or Epi, which I've said.

when i flip town you better lynch fuzzy next

Why Fuzzy and not Epi?

both of them need to die, hes defening fuzzy so i want him to stck to that. im indiffrent overall

You don't seem indifferent.

[Golden]

I would be willing to bet, right now, that there are no cops on the Fuzz chain. Not one.

[sig]

I wasn't referring to you doing so unwittingly, I just recall instances in other games (and from personal experiences) that someone can oftentimes unwillingly get a bandwagon going against them early on from one misplaced word or unintentionally ambiguous statement. Especially early on when there's not much to go on and people are looking for any sort of footing to latch on to.

Also known in recent times as 'why sig gets lynched in the early game so often'.

The thread is growing faster than I can read it, given that I'm at work.

I'm taking silverwolf's vouch for ika at face value, and so I won't vote there. In any event, I'm not a fan of voting for someone I don't know on day one of the first game I play with them. I do think ika's behaviour is objectively suspicious. So I have an eye there longer term. But it could be a sig-like situation, where someone takes some getting used to, to understand their style and recognise it for what it is.]

With regards to the new player thing, ika, it is frustrating. I have played a handful of mafia games here and at piano, it's tough to get integrated into a community that's had each other for a while. The Pikmin mafia I played most recently was the first game on this site where I wasn't lynched or nightkilled in the first voting period. Hence the very low post count for someone who has been here since 2013. And even so, this game is the first real mafia game I've gotten any sort of a platform whatsoever.

I get that frustration entirely. I was maddeningly frustrated for someone who just wanted to play a mafia game somewhere. But I think if you stick with the community it'll become more enticing.

I agree.

Poor scotty and sig, I felt sorry for those two and it was often me sticking up for them in their early games, but they died early often. Now zebra is experiencing it. But I promise you this is a community of people that are more than just a community... here we are friends that really like each other. Even if you go down and you are town, stick with us... you'll see that people will come to love and understand your style and 'thats ika' will be the new 'thats marmot'.

What happened to this Golden? Know your saying you plan to come after me? I also pulled these up since I really dislike he used this as an example three times if Ika flips mafia then Golden is defiantly his teammate.

[RadicalFuzz]

Ooh, look at that. I appreciate the votes, guys.

And sorry Sloonei, but I legitimately didn't care which it was. That's a fact, and you're drawing the logical conclusion from it, but I can't change that fact.

[sig]

I would be willing to bet, right now, that there are no cops on the Fuzz chain. Not one.

So out of all those players not one baddie voted for him this is far fetched even if he is mafia.

[Sloonei]

Well, I tried. I really really tried.

If ika flips scum, I'll be astonished.

In the mean time - Enrique, sig, LC - I'm coming for you all. I think it couldn't be more obvious that the Fuzz train was NOT a save, as though anything like that is EVER a save. Reminds me of eactly what people were saying when I was getting together a lynch train with JJJ and FZ in GoC to try to avoid that ridiculous four way tie. Guess what? Everyone involved that time was civ too.

Baddies don't do that kind of thing.

They especially don't do it to break up a three way tie. The easiest way to save a teammate in that sort of scenario is simply to vote for one of the other options. Unless someone wants to suggest all three of Epi, ika, and gleam are scum I don't see how that can be perceived as a save of a scum player.

[Tangrowth]

DAY 2

Who arrested Tranq?

Poll ended at Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:45:05 pm


a2thezebra
1
Epignosis (27) 3%

agleaminranks
1
Scotty (4) 3%

Black Rock
0
No votes

Bullzeye
0
No votes

chaindeath
0
No votes

Dragon D. Luffy
2
thellama73 (2), chaindeath (26) 7%

DrWilgy
0
No votes

Enrique
0
No votes

Epignosis
3
Metalmarsh89 (8), a2thezebra (9), DrWilgy (10) 10%

Golden
1
Matt (13) 3%

ika
9
Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14), RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29) 31%

Long Con
0
No votes

Matt
0
No votes

Metalmarsh89
0
No votes

Mongoose
0
No votes

Nerolunar
0
No votes

Quin
0
No votes

RadicalFuzz
8
Golden (17), ika (18), Silverwolf (19), indiglo (20), S~V~S (21), Dragon D. Luffy (22), Turnip Head (24), Sloonei (25) 28%

S~V~S
0
No votes

Scotty
0
No votes

Serge
0
No votes

sig
0
No votes

Silverwolf
0
No votes

Sloonei
0
No votes

Soneji
0
No votes

sprityo
0
No votes

thellama73
0
No votes

Turnip Head
1
Black Rock (15) 3%

Barney Fife (hosts, mod, non-players)
3
MovingPictures07 (1), Spacedaisy (3), nijuukyugou (7) 10%

Total votes : 29

Missing votes: Mongoose, sprityo

[ika]

both of them need to die, hes defening fuzzy so i want him to stck to that. im indiffrent overall

You don't seem indifferent.[/quote]

well im more confident in fuzz then esp so maybe thats it

*shrugs*

im wiating at this point

[Golden]

Ika isn't going to flip bad, sig.

[Quin]

Wish I'd tried to get votes from one of those loan sharks, now.

I completely forgot about those. I wonder if they're going to make an appearance.

[a2thezebra]

Silver where did I say I wouldn't vote for ika?

With that constraint I'm not sure Sloonei. I suppose the players I would like to see last-minute bandwagoned are all easy targets.

Luffy you also asked me for reads. Context is important.

The whole game is on the line from your perspective and you can't name a single other suspect?

If he was a baddie, don't you think he would pretend like he suspected more people in this situation?

Maybe. I've never played with Fuzz before, and this sort of thing could easily have crossed his mind.

I'm not even talking about Fuzz's meta, that just doesn't seem like the smart thing for mafia to do in general when they're about to be lynched.

Perhaps WIFOM, but I doubt it.

[Sloonei]

I wasn't referring to you doing so unwittingly, I just recall instances in other games (and from personal experiences) that someone can oftentimes unwillingly get a bandwagon going against them early on from one misplaced word or unintentionally ambiguous statement. Especially early on when there's not much to go on and people are looking for any sort of footing to latch on to.

Also known in recent times as 'why sig gets lynched in the early game so often'.

The thread is growing faster than I can read it, given that I'm at work.

I'm taking silverwolf's vouch for ika at face value, and so I won't vote there. In any event, I'm not a fan of voting for someone I don't know on day one of the first game I play with them. I do think ika's behaviour is objectively suspicious. So I have an eye there longer term. But it could be a sig-like situation, where someone takes some getting used to, to understand their style and recognise it for what it is.]

With regards to the new player thing, ika, it is frustrating. I have played a handful of mafia games here and at piano, it's tough to get integrated into a community that's had each other for a while. The Pikmin mafia I played most recently was the first game on this site where I wasn't lynched or nightkilled in the first voting period. Hence the very low post count for someone who has been here since 2013. And even so, this game is the first real mafia game I've gotten any sort of a platform whatsoever.

I get that frustration entirely. I was maddeningly frustrated for someone who just wanted to play a mafia game somewhere. But I think if you stick with the community it'll become more enticing.

I agree.

Poor scotty and sig, I felt sorry for those two and it was often me sticking up for them in their early games, but they died early often. Now zebra is experiencing it. But I promise you this is a community of people that are more than just a community... here we are friends that really like each other. Even if you go down and you are town, stick with us... you'll see that people will come to love and understand your style and 'thats ika' will be the new 'thats marmot'.

What happened to this Golden? Know your saying you plan to come after me? I also pulled these up since I really dislike he used this as an example three times if Ika flips mafia then Golden is defiantly his teammate.

This might be the scummiest post in the thread. You're saying Golden's not allowed to suspect you AND hiding behind the defense that you get lynched all the time?

[a2thezebra]

both of them need to die, hes defening fuzzy so i want him to stck to that. im indiffrent overall

You don't seem indifferent.

well im more confident in fuzz then esp so maybe thats it

*shrugs*

im wiating at this point[/quote]
I feel you.

[Sloonei]

Silver where did I say I wouldn't vote for ika?

With that constraint I'm not sure Sloonei. I suppose the players I would like to see last-minute bandwagoned are all easy targets.

Luffy you also asked me for reads. Context is important.

The whole game is on the line from your perspective and you can't name a single other suspect?

If he was a baddie, don't you think he would pretend like he suspected more people in this situation?

Maybe. I've never played with Fuzz before, and this sort of thing could easily have crossed his mind.

I'm not even talking about Fuzz's meta, that just doesn't seem like the smart thing for mafia to do in general when they're about to be lynched.

Perhaps WIFOM, but I doubt it.

Perhaps indeed. I don't know, I can't answer it. It gave me pause, for sure.

[Tangrowth]

Day 2

The two families were in a chaotic frenzy. No one seemed to stand out as a top suspect for a cop hiding in their midst. Finally it seems all arguments had been laid out, all disputes had been made, all cases had been put forth and still no solid agreement. Reluctantly the family members went their way to carry out their individual business, but each passed along their final decision on who to eliminate to their respective crime boss.

As the day drew to a close, Daisy and MP met up on a street corner to discuss who held the most votes now. "So it's decided?" Daisy asked him, just to ensure they were on the same page before they took any action.

He nodded, "RadicalFuzz has got to go."

"How do you want to do this?"

"The mob didn't finish him off last time, maybe we should do it ourselves this time around..."

She nodded her agreement and the pair set off on foot towards RadicalFuzz's home. Once there, Daisy jimmied the lock and they slipped inside. It was dark inside and they moved silently throughout the house, searching unsuccessfully for RadicalFuzz. MP shook his head, "Someone must've tipped him off."

"You think he turned himself in?"

"Most likely."

At the precinct, RadicalFuzz walked in nervously and looked around. He never expected to be here turning himself into the cops, but it is the only way he could avoid being taken out by the two families.



RadicalFuzz has been arrested. He was Surveillance Specialist, a member of The Police.

It is now Night 2.

You have 23 hours to send in your night actions.

[Golden]

YES!!!!!

Brilliant.

[S~V~S]

AWESOME!

[Quin]

Guys, what does WIFOM mean? And the same for EBWOP (I think that's what it was)

These acronyms giez...

[Sloonei]

Wish I'd tried to get votes from one of those loan sharks, now.

I completely forgot about those. I wonder if they're going to make an appearance.

... oh jeez. I forgot too. I guess we have no idea what the poll really looks like.

[Golden]

Sig, Enrique... you guys are going down. I swear you are both Fuzz teamies.

Ika, silverwolf... *hug* please hang around.

[Golden]

SVS - thank you. You might get my MVP vote, if there is one, for that alone.

[Golden]

Add Quin to the list of suspects.

If there is a member of the police on the Fuzz lynch, its DDL.

[S~V~S]

I just searched his posts for "ika" lol. Really.

[Sloonei]

Day 2

The two families were in a chaotic frenzy. No one seemed to stand out as a top suspect for a cop hiding in their midst. Finally it seems all arguments had been laid out, all disputes had been made, all cases had been put forth and still no solid agreement. Reluctantly the family members went their way to carry out their individual business, but each passed along their final decision on who to eliminate to their respective crime boss.

As the day drew to a close, Daisy and MP met up on a street corner to discuss who held the most votes now. "So it's decided?" Daisy asked him, just to ensure they were on the same page before they took any action.

He nodded, "RadicalFuzz has got to go."

"How do you want to do this?"

"The mob didn't finish him off last time, maybe we should do it ourselves this time around..."

She nodded her agreement and the pair set off on foot towards RadicalFuzz's home. Once there, Daisy jimmied the lock and they slipped inside. It was dark inside and they moved silently throughout the house, searching unsuccessfully for RadicalFuzz. MP shook his head, "Someone must've tipped him off."

"You think he turned himself in?"

"Most likely."

At the precinct, RadicalFuzz walked in nervously and looked around. He never expected to be here turning himself into the cops, but it is the only way he could avoid being taken out by the two families.



RadicalFuzz has been arrested. He was Surveillance Specialist, a member of The Police.

It is now Night 2.

You have 23 hours to send in your night actions.

Outstanding, everyone. That was just beautiful on every level. High fives all around.

still apologies to fuzz though. that was a tidal wave of WTF

[Golden]

Guys, what does WIFOM mean? And the same for EBWOP (I think that's what it was)

These acronyms giez...

wine in front of me = "I'm not bad, because I wouldn't do this if I was bad"

ebwop = edit by way of post.

[Quin]

Add Quin to the list of suspects.

If there is a member of the police on the Fuzz lynch, its DDL.

Why do you think so?

[Tangrowth]

Yay! Awesome lynch! Go Team Sockface!

[Silverwolf]

Yay!!

[Golden]

And that is why last minute lynch trains are NOT bad. They make the baddies scramble hard, and man do I think they stuffed up.

@quin - I'll have to get my ecstatic emotions in check and be more rational before I can give specifics. The best answer I can give right now is 'behaviour in wake of the shift to a Fuzz lynch'

[Tangrowth]

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[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm not even catching up with this thread until this crazy speed stops lol.

Good job civs. Holy fuck.

[Sloonei]

Guys, what does WIFOM mean? And the same for EBWOP (I think that's what it was)

These acronyms giez...

WIFOM = Wine In Front Of Me, a reference to this scene and the endless pit of logic on top of other logic.

EBWOP = Edit By Way of Post, as in "oops I made a mistake in that last post, but i can't edit it, so..."

[Sloonei]

I'm not even catching up with this thread until this crazy speed stops lol.

Good job civs. Holy fuck.

Why are you addressing the civs in the third person?

[Quin]

And that is why last minute lynch trains are NOT bad. They make the baddies scramble hard, and man do I think they stuffed up.

@quin - I'll have to get my ecstatic emotions in check and be more rational before I can give specifics. The best answer I can give right now is 'behaviour in wake of the shift to a Fuzz lynch'

My refusal to vote for Fuzz was well justified. I did not see any organised reasoning for the bandwagon and it looked fishy as hell. I even made a point of the lack of justification, which nobody decided to respond to.

[a2thezebra]

[sig]

oops lol, guess I was wrong. However, I'm not mafia I believed the Wagon on lynch developed to quickly to be real.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm not even catching up with this thread until this crazy speed stops lol.

Good job civs. Holy fuck.

Why are you addressing the civs in the third person?

I like to say "good job town" (or civs in this case) when a lynch is succesful.

Do I need to show links?

[Golden]

And that is why last minute lynch trains are NOT bad. They make the baddies scramble hard, and man do I think they stuffed up.

@quin - I'll have to get my ecstatic emotions in check and be more rational before I can give specifics. The best answer I can give right now is 'behaviour in wake of the shift to a Fuzz lynch'

My refusal to vote for Fuzz was well justified. I did not see any organised reasoning for the bandwagon and it looked fishy as hell. I even made a point of the lack of justification, which nobody decided to respond to.

It might have been well justified, but that doesn't necessarily make you town-aligned.

@sig - I don't believe you.