Mafia Championship Scrimmage [END]

#1101

The Day 1 deadline is in 5 hours and 26 minutes at precisely 10:00 PM Eastern US/Canada time.

#1102

sig wrote:@MM can you explain your vote for Sloonie?

Also all what do you think of MM he doesn't have many posts, some fillers. He also has a scum read on MP yet doesn't say anything about it. (Pot calling kettle black ik) :P

linki: What does QFT mean?

If I don't hear more from MM, I'd consider lynching him today. But I think he'll come back, and I'm eagerly awaiting his elaborations.

#1103

Yo @Everyone online top three people you'd lynch today?

Mainly this is directed at Ika/Silver/MP/Zebra

#1104

sig wrote:Is LC usually more or less quite as a mafia member?

*searches brain for history with LC*

Ehhhhh, inconclusive.

#1105

Silverwolf wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
ika wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Look, I'm not trying to anger either of you. I respect and like you both. You're both very swell people. I know you haven't used it directly, but it inevitably affects the way you both play the game, and it can victimize players who dare question either of you or the meta reads that you display for each other. I'm being mafia read because Silverwolf doesn't like the case I made on you.
and there have been a multitude of games where silver called out scumm based on that reaosn alone. it it doesnt even haev to be on me, when she pings someone based on what looks like shit reaosns its mostly cus its right.

so many people have made weak acusatiosn on her/me other and she called peopleout on that and loh and behold its sucm
Let me elaborate. I have caught scum before who try to mislynch me as town based on similar bad reasoning that MP used on ika.

This was a huge ping to me.

I want to know why Golden has such an issue with this and calls in tunneling when he tunneled the shit out of me most of the game.

Again, he's making me very suspicious along with MP for his lack of consistency here.
Lack of consistency? Elaborate.
Well, he's apparently frustrated with me for tunneling you but has tunneled me most of the game.

*involuntary eye twitch*

This is becoming too similar to a political debate.

#1106

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote: If it weren't for my own (often frustrating) previous experience with ika in a couple other games, I would be thinking what you're thinking about him. But as it is, yeah, he proudly disregards logic when he is town. For instance, him thinking that you are mafia for suspecting him for doing things that he himself would find suspicious if it were anyone but him or Silver. I've learned to accept his thought processes and go with the flow.
That's great and all, but I'm a major candidate to be lynched today because of it.
Right, and I totally understand your frustration because I've been a major lynch candidate before because of ika as well. I know I'm the last one with a right to say this, but we need to decide on someone to lynch that isn't me or you.
No kidding.

Sloonei is the only player with 2 votes. Everyone else has 1 or 0. Ehhhhh.

I'm going to ISO Sloonei and Long Con. I don't want to baddie read them out of thin air but I haven't seen a lot of content from them and I would really like to contribute in changing the direction that this day is going.

for the sake of future daaaaaaaayyyehhehhaaaaaaaehhehhaaaays :band:

#1107

sig wrote:Yo @Everyone online top three people you'd lynch today?

Mainly this is directed at Ika/Silver/MP/Zebra

MP, metalmarsh-yep his contribution was bad, IAWY for same bad contributions and vote on Soneji all game

#1108

Much pages. Such discussion. Very read. Wow.

#1109

ika wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: That's a logical fallacy. "It's true because this other person did something, so now that this other person is doing this same something, they must be the same alignment!" That's never going to be accurate.
like i said mutlible games, we have evidence of it happeing in multiple players over mutiple games its a constant scum trait

I don't care. That's like saying you flipped a coin 10 times and it just happened to come up heads every time so far. Doesn't mean it will again. I'm not those people. I'm my own man.

Universal town and mafia traits are nonsense. I've found exceptions to practically every one over the years.

#1110

MovingPictures07 wrote:
ika wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: That's a logical fallacy. "It's true because this other person did something, so now that this other person is doing this same something, they must be the same alignment!" That's never going to be accurate.
like i said mutlible games, we have evidence of it happeing in multiple players over mutiple games its a constant scum trait
I don't care. That's like saying you flipped a coin 10 times and it just happened to come up heads every time so far. Doesn't mean it will again. I'm not those people. I'm my own man.

Universal town and mafia traits are nonsense. I've found exceptions to practically every one over the years.

did i ever say its the end all tell? no

way to misrepresent my argument here

#1111

sig wrote:Yo @Everyone online top three people you'd lynch today?

Mainly this is directed at Ika/Silver/MP/Zebra

Right now I got nothing, but I'll get back to you after I do some ISO's and I should have at least one option before end of day. I don't know about three.

#1112

Silverwolf wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Whatever, Silverwolf, don't feel obligated to elaborate. I'm done with this too. You've clearly already made up your mind. Talk to me again once you're actually willing to listen to me.
Right, I've been answering every one of your questions.

Excuse me for bothering to suspect you. I'll make sure to take your feelings into account next game and leave you alone.

This is proof you're not listening to me. I don't give a shit if you suspect me. Eat crow for all I care when I inevitably get mislynched. You won't actually listen to my defenses; you're just auto-dismissing me.

#1113

Dyslexicon wrote:Much pages. Such discussion. Very read. Wow.

#1114

sig wrote:Yo @Everyone online top three people you'd lynch today?

Mainly this is directed at Ika/Silver/MP/Zebra

I'm not really sure since I didn't get to continue those ISOs, but I'll at least throw three at you that are subject to change.

I'd say... Frog, Inawordyes, and Metalmarsh if he doesn't come back and show townieness, otherwise if he does then... probably Wilgy, Psi, or Sloonei. I need to re-examine those three.

#1115

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Whatever, Silverwolf, don't feel obligated to elaborate. I'm done with this too. You've clearly already made up your mind. Talk to me again once you're actually willing to listen to me.
Right, I've been answering every one of your questions.

Excuse me for bothering to suspect you. I'll make sure to take your feelings into account next game and leave you alone.

This is proof you're not listening to me. I don't give a shit if you suspect me. Eat crow for all I care when I inevitably get mislynched. You won't actually listen to my defenses; you're just auto-dismissing me.

Um no, I've been answering everything you throw at me and listening to everything you say. You just don't understand why I don't back down.

Ugh...............this convo is fucking pointless!!!!

It's going nowhere. God..............

#1116

a2thezebra wrote: I'm going to ISO Sloonei and Long Con. I don't want to baddie read them out of thin air but I haven't seen a lot of content from them and I would really like to contribute in changing the direction that this day is going.

for the sake of future daaaaaaaayyyehhehhaaaaaaaehhehhaaaays

Perfect! That'd be great.

I actually ISOd LC already myself. What do you (and others) think?

#1117

Also, thanks zebra, I was just wondering what album to play next anyway. I'm totally going to listen to this now:

#1118

Silverwolf wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Whatever, Silverwolf, don't feel obligated to elaborate. I'm done with this too. You've clearly already made up your mind. Talk to me again once you're actually willing to listen to me.
Right, I've been answering every one of your questions.

Excuse me for bothering to suspect you. I'll make sure to take your feelings into account next game and leave you alone.

This is proof you're not listening to me. I don't give a shit if you suspect me. Eat crow for all I care when I inevitably get mislynched. You won't actually listen to my defenses; you're just auto-dismissing me.
Um no, I've been answering everything you throw at me and listening to everything you say. You just don't understand why I don't back down.

Ugh...............this convo is fucking pointless!!!!

It's going nowhere. God..............

Well, maybe I don't. You're not displaying any signs to me that you're actually reading my content and considering it with an open mind. If you want to engage in a conversation, I'll be more than happy to try to hear you out and understand why you don't back down. I've got mafia hunting to do though, and I think we both need to step away from this for a while; even if you do decide to keep your vote on me, I won't blame you for sticking to your guns. I just hope you'll reconsider because I don't want to be mislynched.

#1119

Speaking of ISOs, did anyone have any comments on the few I've conducted so far? I'm not the best ISOer ever by any means, so if you see something in those posts that I don't, or if you disagree with me on any of my assessments, please tell me. I want to know.

#1120

MovingPictures07 wrote: Perfect! That'd be great.

I actually ISOd LC already myself. What do you (and others) think?

I dig it, and I agree with most of your points. I actually think that his joke vote for Sloonei (which still remains) after a more serious vote for you is more alarming than anything else I've seen yet.

#1121

a2thezebra wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: Perfect! That'd be great.

I actually ISOd LC already myself. What do you (and others) think?
I dig it, and I agree with most of your points. I actually think that his joke vote for Sloonei (which still remains) after a more serious vote for you is more alarming than anything else I've seen yet.

That's the strongest point against him, for sure. I only hesitate to crucify him for it because he seems totally on-meta, and a town LC can be a major asset, and I want to hear from him first regarding it.

#1122

MP-You have a lot of mafia reads-why are you in unvote status this close to EoD?

I don't like the sloonei or zebra wagons right now.

#1123

Who should ISO next? IAWY, Wilgy, or Zexy? Those are the next three on the post count list if I continue to go ascending. Anyone have any preference?

#1124

I don't like MMs vote for sloonie it seemed like an easy scum vote, which wouldn't draw to much suspicion or really take off.

I'll look it over MP

#1125

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who should ISO next? IAWY, Wilgy, or Zexy? Those are the next three on the post count list if I continue to go ascending. Anyone have any preference?

IAWY-I'd be very interested in this before day ends what you think of him

#1126

Silverwolf wrote:MP-You have a lot of mafia reads-why are you in unvote status this close to EoD?

I don't like the sloonei or zebra wagons right now.

I'm still trying to sort them out. I currently don't have anyone that I would qualify as stronger than a slight mafia read... perhaps Frog is the closest to moderate, but I moved him up in my mind because I felt like he was genuinely engaging me earlier, which was absent from previous conversations we had.

#1127

Silverwolf wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Who should ISO next? IAWY, Wilgy, or Zexy? Those are the next three on the post count list if I continue to go ascending. Anyone have any preference?
IAWY-I'd be very interested in this before day ends what you think of him

Good plan, he's next. Thanks, Silver.

#1128

After going through Sloonei's ISO he seems town to me. Maybe he could stand to widen his focus a bit but nothing he has said or done has pinged me in the slightest. So, I can't honestly advocate anyone switching their votes for him, especially since the two current votes for him are a joke vote from Long Con and a bollocks (joke?) vote from MM.

#1129

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, thanks zebra, I was just wondering what album to play next anyway. I'm totally going to listen to this now:

Glad I could be of service, it's my favorite Can album.

#1130

a2thezebra wrote:

After going through Sloonei's ISO he seems town to me. Maybe he could stand to widen his focus a bit but nothing he has said or done has pinged me in the slightest. So, I can't honestly advocate anyone switching their votes for him, especially since the two current votes for him are a joke vote from Long Con and a bollocks (joke?) vote from MM.

Yeah, from what I can recall I'm still feeling at least slight town on Sloonei myself, but I need to look at his ISO to feel more firm about any opinion. I know he has a bit more trouble replicating his meta as mafia, but that's not what I'm seeing here.

#1131

a2thezebra wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, thanks zebra, I was just wondering what album to play next anyway. I'm totally going to listen to this now:
Glad I could be of service, it's my favorite Can album.

Mine too!

#1132

I would be willing to move my vote to Long Con or MM (provided MP is no longer a potential leading wagon) if for no other reason that their Sloonei votes are pretty awful-looking in my opinion.

linki - huzzah

#1133

I do feel god about zebras responses to me and I'd like to shift my vote but I won't if it leads to an mp lynch.

Can't do anything about silver claiming I'm tunnelling her. If tunnelling ends in a civ read maybe I should do more of it.

#1134

Golden wrote:If tunnelling ends in a civ read maybe I should do more of it.

lmao

Anyway, could you get behind a Long Con or MM vote?

#1135

Okay, I'm hungry. I'll keep working on the ISO but it might take me longer than it should for that reason, just a heads up. (Yes, I give every detail of my RL that I feel is game-relevant, that's just me.) :P

#1136

a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:If tunnelling ends in a civ read maybe I should do more of it.
lmao

Anyway, could you get behind a Long Con or MM vote?

I could, considering I at least slightly mafia read them, especially if neither of them provide explanations. That's what I'm waiting on eagerly from them both.

#1137

Golden wrote:I do feel god about zebras responses to me and I'd like to shift my vote but I won't if it leads to an mp lynch.

Can't do anything about silver claiming I'm tunnelling her. If tunnelling ends in a civ read maybe I should do more of it.

That isn't the point but whatever.

sigh...................

#1138

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:If tunnelling ends in a civ read maybe I should do more of it.
lmao

Anyway, could you get behind a Long Con or MM vote?
I could, considering I at least slightly mafia read them, especially if neither of them provide explanations. That's what I'm waiting on eagerly from them both.

Same here at this point.

#1139

a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:If tunnelling ends in a civ read maybe I should do more of it.
lmao

Anyway, could you get behind a Long Con or MM vote?

I could get more behind an MM vote than an LC vote. Although, LC is just beginning to concern me a little in that I'm not sure when we last heard from him.

#1140

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:If tunnelling ends in a civ read maybe I should do more of it.
lmao

Anyway, could you get behind a Long Con or MM vote?
I could get more behind an MM vote than an LC vote. Although, LC is just beginning to concern me a little in that I'm not sure when we last heard from him.

If you and I vote for MM then it will be a tie between him and MP. Are you willing to do that?

#1141

Then MP can vote for MM and MM will be in the lead.

#1142

Normally I'm more cautious about an MM lynch (especially on Day 1) but with the current options being me, MP, and Sloonei, we need radical change.

#1143

Silverwolf wrote:
Golden wrote:I do feel god about zebras responses to me and I'd like to shift my vote but I won't if it leads to an mp lynch.

Can't do anything about silver claiming I'm tunnelling her. If tunnelling ends in a civ read maybe I should do more of it.
That isn't the point but whatever.

sigh...................

You are very concerned about people taking your point but you are not very good at taking the point of what others are saying. It's difficult not to end up having lengthy conversations with you because, whether because we are not communicating well or because you don't trust me, you haven't been very good at understanding me this game.

I don't think you realise that you do something, and then you accuse others of being scum for doing the same thing. It isn't easy navigating your responses. You react a lot. And that's just you, it's ok. You do you. But its telling to me that MP has the same feeling like I do about you - that you aren't 'listening'. I felt that same way earlier. And, my feeling on it is, that you are a very intuitive person and you read a lot into posts (motives, meanings) and possibly you don't often take words at their face value and look for their plain meaning.

My day job is to write words plainly and say exactly what I mean. If you are reading into my words things, often you'll find things that aren't there. If you ask me questions about what doesn't make sense about what I say to you, then often I will identify if I haven't been as clear as I hoped and clear up the misconception.

If, at the end of the day, your MP suspicion is mostly your gut screaming, then I get it. The thing is, the reasons you are giving in the thread for your suspicion are, for MP, not alignment indicative. From someone who knows him well. Your response to that is to see us as scum buddies. You have difficulty seeing that I'm just trying to help you get a better meta read on MP. In fact, in some ways, you turn me trying to help you make the most informed decisions that are best for the town into me trying to attack you. I don't really know how to break through the wall of this disparity.

#1144

VOTE METALMARSH89

aka Marmellow.

#1145

VOTE METALMARSH89

#1146

a2thezebra wrote:VOTE METALMARSH89

That's huge.

#1147

VOTE METALMARSH89

#1148

Why do ISOs take so freaking long?

#1149

Also, how was Can so freaking good at making music? Good god. And why can't I play drums like that? One of the best bands ever, no doubt.

#1150

Saying even if MP is scum, he should live because he's active and helpful, is just blowing my mind right now. If he's scum, he should die. I can see defending him if you have a strong townread on him but saying no matter what is alignment is, you want him alive is just something I can't wrap my head around. I will do this if I need more time to figure someone out and give them another day but he's posted plenty of content. Same thing happened in Turf Wars that is happening here. I was right on some of the scum and I was arrested and no one listened to me and even after I died, I was still accused of being tinfoil. Same thing here, no one likes my playstyle so they get frustrated with it and by extension, ignore what I'm saying. It's beyond frustrating.