Mafia Championship Scrimmage [END]

[Golden]

VOTE MATT

[Golden]

(which is sloonei)

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Lots of posts are great when I refresh every ten minutes not so great when I'm gone for half the night

[Marmot]

You are doing the rico play of trying to tie me up in semantics, and I'm not interested in it.

It's completely obvious in the thread exactly how I felt at each stage of MM's case. I do not have to spell out which part of the case I had the read in 10 times. I've made it abundantly clear. A desire to trip me up in semantics does nothing for you.

Go after me hard and lynch me today and you will be looking real bad tomorrow.

I don't think it's obvious at all.

You were ready to dismiss the case here, but you currently say that you were actually using that post to give me a chance to improve my case. However...

MovingPictures07 saw it as the case was flawed and you were right.

zebra also quickly sided with your point, and even disagreed with my follow up here, but that's a different issue.


So considering how the two people who bothered to respond to your statement did not see the intent you had, I still think your claim that it was intentional is bollocks.

[Marmot]

Who is going to keep me sane this game?

[Marmot]

Word of advice though; it might be a bit more difficult to mislynch me when you've outright stated that my lynch would be a mislynch.

Scum-diddly-um-slip (by Golden not you).

[Golden]

You are doing the rico play of trying to tie me up in semantics, and I'm not interested in it.

It's completely obvious in the thread exactly how I felt at each stage of MM's case. I do not have to spell out which part of the case I had the read in 10 times. I've made it abundantly clear. A desire to trip me up in semantics does nothing for you.

Go after me hard and lynch me today and you will be looking real bad tomorrow.

I don't think it's obvious at all.

You were ready to dismiss the case here, but you currently say that you were actually using that post to give me a chance to improve my case. However...

MovingPictures07 saw it as the case was flawed and you were right.

zebra also quickly sided with your point, and even disagreed with my follow up here, but that's a different issue.


So considering how the two people who bothered to respond to your statement did not see the intent you had, I still think your claim that it was intentional is bollocks.

I've never claimed it was intentional. When I said 'I prompted you to do so', I did not have any implication that 'I intended to prompt you to do so' - merely that it is factual that it did prompt you to do so.

Any assertion that I ever claimed that was my intent is false, and has been read in to what I said. You won't find me saying it anywhere. My intent was entirely, and solely, to point out that your case was flawed.

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Who is going to keep me sane this game?

Oh baby I'll keep you sane.


for a very small fee. Super tiny you won't even notice it I'm sure. :P

[sig]

We aren't lynching Golden or Zebra they are both town.

I'm curious about the Sloonie/Matt? case. BUT would still like to lynch MM. :P

[Golden]

Word of advice though; it might be a bit more difficult to mislynch me when you've outright stated that my lynch would be a mislynch.

Scum-diddly-um-slip (by Golden not you).

No it isn't. I said exactly what I meant to say. She is the one who said 'you've said outright my lynch would be a mislynch', which I did not say.

What I did say, was that I'd sooner mislynch her than be lynched myself. IE - if she does nothing but tunnel on me, ends up lynched, and comes back town, I won't be losing sleep over it.

If I'd said 'I'd sooner lynch her than be lynched myself', that would be basically meaningless. I fully intended to mean what I said.

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weeee all caught up about to finish my dinner, and watching the great food truck race. Posts will be coming in shortly.

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Soneji I didn't switch my vote since nobody else seemed to agree, and I said while it was happening I wanted to lynch MM.Why should I have wasted my vote? This seems like No U.

How were you to know it would be wasted? Maybe if you had shown more confidence in your read and got the ball rolling with a vote on me, people would have followed. Frog had only one vote when I placed my vote, same as the situation would have been with you. You didn't choose to do that, despite how very eager you were to get people to pay attention to your read on me and start a counterwagon. This lack of spine, jumping on me so quickly with vague reasoning and hypocrisy(not liking CFD's but wanting to get one started on me) is why I'm voting you. If you had had the courage of your conviction, I'd be less inclined to think you're mafia.

Maybe they would've maybe they wouldn't have. I was more confident on MM and I didn't want to unbalance the wagons when every vote counted. I think your just No Uing me and are mad I tried to lynch you, and I didn't even try that hard.

I'm on break but anyone who thinks I wouldn't kill silver n1 is being redoicolus.

Ask sonji who I wanted to arrest n1 of turf, he'll ask mp himself and ask who I wanted arrested, ask him
What I was constantly saying in the scum topic

Tell them this on downton they don't believe me. :P
But seriously, this is what I've been saying and I really dislike MM for pushing that Ika must be civ.

[Marmot]

Also, welcome Matt!

Word of advice though; it might be a bit more difficult to mislynch me when you've outright stated that my lynch would be a mislynch.

Scum-diddly-um-slip (by Golden not you).

No it isn't. I said exactly what I meant to say. She is the one who said 'you've said outright my lynch would be a mislynch', which I did not say.

What I did say, was that I'd sooner mislynch her than be lynched myself. IE - if she does nothing but tunnel on me, ends up lynched, and comes back town, I won't be losing sleep over it.

If I'd said 'I'd sooner lynch her than be lynched myself', that would be basically meaningless. I fully intended to mean what I said.

I was teasing you.

[Golden]

@MM - I dunno - maybe it has something to do with the poll? Do you think?

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Golden: I didn't like his attitude wert me yesterday. He, like you, was very hesitant to vote for Sloonei, despite acknowledging that Sloonei was a decent candidate for Day 1. Also, responses like this just give me the shivers. An "Oh, of course I meant to do that " instead of an "Aye, good call there, I was wrong".

I wasn't wrong at all, MM. Your case on sloonei was shit, because you hadn't demonstrated any context. I don't have to do your research for you.

Bullshit.

If the case was shit, why did you concede that Sloonei was on your list of "players to lynch" as a result of the case?

Because you then added to the case, after I prompted you to do so. You were quite content to make a flawed case to begin with.

Having said that, then when you DID do the extra work, I was surprised to discover your case actually had merit. Doesn't change the fact that I do not agree that your initial case had merit. It was half-assed and flawed, and looked to me like a case that you were portraying just to get yourself off the bottom.

I don't know why you'd expect me to say "I was wrong" for forcing you to build a fuller case. I was quite satisfied with my work.

See Golden, I'm sorry if I'm wrong but this whole post just seems so fake. You only vocalized the distinction between the initial case and the "extra work" after MM called you out on contradicting yourself. If he hadn't have called you out, would that distinction ever have been made?

Thats bollocks. You were there at the time - you AGREED with me that MM's initial case was flawed. Remember this?

What MM fails to account for in his case on sloonei is the extent to which sloonei already town read or trusted ika vs frog. If I came on asking people who I should vote for and a person I didn't have any reason to trust gave me one answer and a person I'm reading as town gave me another, I know I'd dismiss one and focus on the other.

This also sums up my thoughts on that particular part of MM's case on Sloonei quite nicely.

The only reason I'm having to vocalize the distinction is because MM is acting as though it isn't there. Based on simply reading the thread, it's quite obvious that it was there all along. Why would I need to vocalise it before MM implied that I had agreed with his case all along?

Just go back and read the passage of the thread - I called him on his flaw in the initial case, he did more work, and THEN after he did it I agreed with his case. The two cannot be conflated, and I shouldn't have to point out the truth of it for it to be evidently true.

bollocks? Speak American Golden! Not your savage European tongue. :P

On a more serious note I agree however, I'd rather lynch MM then Sloonie/Matt. However, we still have over a day left so plenty of time for Matt to get acclimated to the thread, if I don't like his play I'd be more willing to lynch him. Though I had a better read on Sloonie then you, by the end of day 1. The beginning I was off about him, but think that might have just been a NO U /poor gut read.

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My answer - sloonei and marmot. I think they are on a team together, and I think marmot's case on sloonei was deliberate distancing.

Why are they on the same team?

[Marmot]

weeee all caught up about to finish my dinner, and watching the great food truck race. Posts will be coming in shortly.

Oh good, so can you answer my question for you?

Linki: Are you even reading my posts sig? I said bollocks first. :P

[DrWilgy]

Baddie team... MP, Zexy, Sloonei, and Golden!

@Golden, Dislexicocoa is right. A frame only works if someone other than the recipient brings it up. It's an argument more than a statement - ish scenario. The other problem is the implication of you being civilian and that doesn't sit right. Without us knowing your identity, that hunch of yours was nothing more than fluff with a slight hint of "hey guys I'm civ".

Almost to my compuuuuutor.

[Marmot]

Golden, I know you had Long Con as a slight town read and Sloonei as a moderate scum read. Is that the only reason you reacted to these two substitutions differently.

Notice: Epignosis is replacing Long Con.

I am aware of the situation with Soneji and it is being worked out. I would advise players against speculating about his potential replacement or non-replacement.

The deadline for Day 1 is in 3 hours and 47 minutes at precisely 10:00 PM Eastern US/Canada time. The hammer vote is the 9th.

OK, now I'm on board with an LC lynch

And in all seriousness, I intend to let Epi get his head into the game, so I won't vote there.

Notice: Matt is replacing Sloonei.

The deadline for Day 2 is in 25 hours and 42 minutes at precisely 10:00 PM eastern US/Canada time on Tuesday.

VOTE MATT

(which is sloonei)

[Marco]

Will get back home in a couple hours and post my thoughts. Golden + MM team looking legit.

[Marco]

Also, why is the thread title in my post white and not red?

[Marco]

nvm I think i understood

[Marmot]

Also, why is the thread title in my post white and not red?

I wish I could pull something like this off if we are both bad.

Why are people bringing forth hunches today that I am trying to bus one of my top suspects?

Will get back home in a couple hours and post my thoughts. Golden + MM team looking legit.

If it's white, it means your webpage is open in the link directed to that post. When you post, this should happen.

[Marmot]

EBWOP: Flip-flop those responses, and I think you get what I'm trying to say.

[Golden]

Baddie team... MP, Zexy, Sloonei, and Golden!

@Golden, Dislexicocoa is right. A frame only works if someone other than the recipient brings it up. It's an argument more than a statement - ish scenario. The other problem is the implication of you being civilian and that doesn't sit right. Without us knowing your identity, that hunch of yours was nothing more than fluff with a slight hint of "hey guys I'm civ".

Almost to my compuuuuutor.

Wilgy - I don't expect anyone to 'know' my hunch is correct. Thinking about it in the sense of what 'works' is silly. I'm just telling you what I think happened. Either it did or it didn't. I was looking for an early push against me, and it came. I could have sat on my hunch for ages, and waited until someone said 'also, I bet you would have killed silverwolf, she was after you', or whatever. Yes, I could have. But, I shouldn't need to wait to see what I think could be coming before I say 'this is what I think the intent was'.

If I say it afterwards, I can just as easily be discounted with an 'oh, well you would say that NOW, why didn't you say it before?' - both ways are equally flawed.

[Golden]

Golden, I know you had Long Con as a slight town read and Sloonei as a moderate scum read. Is that the only reason you reacted to these two substitutions differently.

Yes. Or, possibly more accurately, I reacted to the Epi substitution in fun, but then wanted to make clear it was in fun, whereas the reaction to the Matt substitution is not actually a reaction to the substitution. My vote was heading back to Sloonei even if Matt hadn't subbed in. My vote for zebra really was only an effort to snap her out of her tunnelling.

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weeee all caught up about to finish my dinner, and watching the great food truck race. Posts will be coming in shortly.

Oh good, so can you answer my question for you?

Linki: Are you even reading my posts sig? I said bollocks first. :P

Oh really.

okay then



MM Bollocks? Wth Speak American not some European gibbly gloop. Or I'll Or Illl hmmm I'll build a WALL AROUND YOU. :P

[Marmot]

VOTE SIG

You're getting my vote sig until you respond.

Hopefully Golden this makes you feel more comfortable.

Linki: Hi! Well, I'm still voting you at least until you answer.

[Golden]

I'm not European anyway. Technically.

Perhaps I should start saying 'sweet as, bro'.

[Golden]

Hopefully Golden this makes you feel more comfortable.

I'd feel most comfortable if I understood your current read on me, and why.

[Marmot]

MM Bollocks? Wth Speak American not some European gibbly gloop. Or I'll Or Illl hmmm I'll build a WALL AROUND YOU. :P

I lied. I did say bollocks, but it was after Golden did.

But zebra did accuse me of a bollocks vote early in Day 1, so there's that.

[sig]

So first MM tries to get me lynched, then he was trying to say Ika is bad for the Silver kill after saying Ika is civ? It seems like a set up imo.

Do you think that my thought process is flawed or are you tunneling me because you wanted to lynch me yesterday?

If there is something wrong with either of the things you mentioned above, can you please explain why?

I'm tunneling on you since I wanted to lynch you yesterday and my opinion of you hasn't changed. WHat do you think of Sloonie/Matt? And golden wanting to lynch them.

I'll review you over later (I'm starting to sound like GRRM and his book deadlines) and see what I see :P

linki: Wow MM chill.

Ik Golden, why sweet as bro? Is that a NZ thing or supposed to be an american thing. Since that sounds like West coast lingo and that is even worse then European! Philly slang or no slang at all.


linki: See MM lied only mafia lie hence he is mafia.

[Marmot]

Hopefully Golden this makes you feel more comfortable.

I'd feel most comfortable if I understood your current read on me, and why.

I was actually thinking that you and Sloonei were on a team together, which is why you didn't vote for him yesterday, but did today. You had time to discuss things overnight, and plan out a bus attempt today.

But with Matt replacing in, that makes the tin-foil moot. Sloonei wouldn't replace out if he was planning on being bussed. That doesn't fit. I still find Sloonei suspicious and would like to hear from Matt sooner than later. As for you, I would list you as slight mafia still.

[Dyslexicon]

Almost caught up, but not entirely. But I'm tired of reading, and need to get thoughts out. My reads have flipped quite a bit.

First,
Thoughts on Ika

Ika seems sure that IAWY will flip scum to the absurd. I believe it is entirely possible for Ika to be bussing IAWY here.

whata bout it? if MP is scum voting scum its win-win

^About MP voting IAWY. Assuming IAWY is scum.

hes lurking and sevral who know him say thats scum MO?

Who here has said that? I don't recall this.

so the bet is this, if hes scum i get your vote, if hes town you have my vote

deal?

(yes im being like this intentionally, i want to see more from you as well)

i consider hers 10 times more right now cus she is a confirmed town flip. not only that but she was killed. porbally for her reads.

Lol, you never ever doubted that she was town, so this seems disingenuous.


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Sig is soft defending IAWY quite a bit.

I could also see MM being mafia even if inaword does flip, which is why he didn't vote for him and tried to move it away from inaword a bit.

^One example.

However, there are some good things about Sig too. I like how he defends Frog. He doesn't quite fit the scum team picture I'm starting to get, but still unsure.

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Golden has me pretty convinced he is town. Zebra is likely town too (?), but she irks me lol (all within the game of course^^)

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I'm very interested to see IAWY flip and think it would clear up a lot. None of his posts has impressed me today.

VOTE INAWORDYES

For now.

[Dyslexicon]

*brain explodes*

Yeah, I can do it, but it likely won't be until after D2 has begun. I'm not sure my brain can handle any more ISOs. That Wilgy one broke me.

Paranoid time: How you know you'd be alive D2? o.o

would be a good lynch in any case imo, but mostly cause I believe she is scum.

Rude, lol.

This is the towniest post I've read of you lol.

Spoiler: show

Word of advice though; it might be a bit more difficult to mislynch me when you've outright stated that my lynch would be a mislynch.

Like, he didn't say that.

He didn't?

I am town, but I'd sooner mislynch you and leave my vote on you than be lynched myself.

If that means lynching the people who think I'm bad, even if they are town, then so be it.

I just know why my vote is there right now, and its not because I'm scum reading you.

Just like Ika didn't claim scum when he said that if he was scum he'd kill Silver.

Which is why I asked him the following instead of accusing him of scum-claiming:

I'm on break but anyone who thinks I wouldn't kill silver n1 is being redoicolus.

So you did kill her.

If I was scum, yes that would be the case.

No.

Case Golden: He said "I'd sooner mislynch you than myself" - He did not say "you are a mislynch this game" like your post implied.

Case Ika: Ika did not claim scum, he said "If I was scum...", key word being if.

This is just to demonstrate some of the issues I have with your posts. It's like you're taking one piece of something and making it into something it's not.

See, you wonder why I suspect you when you misrepresent me to this degree, and lie to my face about what I myself said as well as what others said.

Then you have the nerve to say that maybe it's just playstyle. What's just playstyle exactly? Playing the game?

Dafuq. Read above.
I'm pointing out how you have been misrepresenting people.

Word of advice though; it might be a bit more difficult to mislynch me when you've outright stated that my lynch would be a mislynch.

Scum-diddly-um-slip (by Golden not you).

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This is such bullshit. Regardless of Golden's alignment.

[Dyslexicon]

Dafug happened to that spoiler?

Anyway, this was to Zebra.
You have got to step back and look at what people actually are saying and not describe implications that aren't there. You did this two specifc times and I've been calling you out on it. Then you call me a liar. No.

I'll repeat:
Golden did NOT say you were going to be a mislynch this game, he said he'd rather mislynch you than have himself mislynched.

Ika did NOT scum claim, he said IF he was scum, he would have killed Silver.

This is only to clarify.

[Golden]

Hopefully Golden this makes you feel more comfortable.

I'd feel most comfortable if I understood your current read on me, and why.

I was actually thinking that you and Sloonei were on a team together, which is why you didn't vote for him yesterday, but did today. You had time to discuss things overnight, and plan out a bus attempt today.

But with Matt replacing in, that makes the tin-foil moot. Sloonei wouldn't replace out if he was planning on being bussed. That doesn't fit. I still find Sloonei suspicious and would like to hear from Matt sooner than later. As for you, I would list you as slight mafia still.

Besides this, as I've made the point before... I don't 'plan' busses. Ever. There is no value in it. Bussing is a phenomenon that MUST feel natural out of your reads. If it feels like you've suddenly shifted direction, it's pointless. If I'm going to bus, it's my call alone and I make it in the moment... and if I have day time talk, I'll say sorry to my teammate, but I'll do what I have to do.

I never truly considered a sloonei vote yesterday. But I'll admit, after he switched from Frog to IAWY, I very nearly switched my vote to you. That was the moment where I started tinfoiling the pair of you as teammates. It looked to me a little like getting civ cred AND helping make sure a teammate didn't go home all in one. And it's not as though your case on sloonei ever amounted to any danger for him, because so many people were town reading him.

The flaw in this tinfoil read is - you are vibing town to me. It's why I feel much more strongly about sloonei than I do about you.

[Golden]

And the reason I never truly considered a sloonei vote yesterday is in part because I never considered he would get the votes to be lynched, so it seemed like a waste of energy. I never considered a Frog vote either until it seemed viable that he would be lynched.

[Dyslexicon]

In the conversation between Golden and Zebra, I think Golden is explaining himself pretty well. His point about his Sloonei read is not hard to follow to me at all, and I don't get why it's so hard for Zebra. She really does seem stuck here.

Another point that I want to make about Golden is that I totally follow his Frog suspicion and how he describes it, cause it alligns very much with my own thoughts I had on Frog. Also here I disagree/don't understand Zebra.

MM is making me more suspicious kind of lighting fire under something that looks more town vs town to me than not. Taking Zebra's "scum slip" is total bullshit.

[Dyslexicon]

VOTE SIG

You're getting my vote sig until you respond.

Hopefully Golden this makes you feel more comfortable.

Linki: Hi! Well, I'm still voting you at least until you answer.

So, you think someone has scum slipped (Golden) and decide to vote elsewhere?

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I'm ready to vote for MM he is most likely mafia. His most recent behavior is very mafish and pingy. I think Dizzy addressed some of them as well as the Ika think, and the fact he has been bandwagoning on me all phase.

VOTE METALMARSH89

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and I've responded to his question yet he still hasn't changed his vote.

[Tangrowth]

The sock is here!

[Tangrowth]

Who else is here?

[Dyslexicon]

Town: MP, Golden, Marco

Likely town: Zebra, sig, Zexy

Null: PSI (will he be replaced?)

All possible scum: IAWY, Ika, Wilgy, Soneji, MM, Sloonei

This is roughly where I'm at with my reads right now. Taking into consideration interactions and what other people say in my read on Sig. Zexy is not a strong town read, but I still feel it's more likely he is town. Obviously someone in the suspicion group is town.

[Dyslexicon]

The sock is here!

MP! 1. Be town or I'll cry. 2. Keep me sane. 3. Load up on coffee and let's discuss reads, cause many of mine have flipped quite a bit.

[Marmot]

VOTE SIG

You're getting my vote sig until you respond.

Hopefully Golden this makes you feel more comfortable.

Linki: Hi! Well, I'm still voting you at least until you answer.

So, you think someone has scum slipped (Golden) and decide to vote elsewhere?

I put a smiley in the post because I was joking. I explained it again to Golden later that I was teasing him.

But yes, I have seen Golden scumslip before. It is a rare and amazing phenomenon.

[sig]

Town: MP, Golden, Marco

Likely town: Zebra, sig, Zexy

Null: PSI (will he be replaced?)

All possible scum: IAWY, Ika, Wilgy, Soneji, MM, Sloonei

This is roughly where I'm at with my reads right now. Taking into consideration interactions and what other people say in my read on Sig. Zexy is not a strong town read, but I still feel it's more likely he is town. Obviously someone in the suspicion group is town.

I like this list, I'd bump sloonie up to null though. I believe Dizzy is town.

[Golden]

Who else is here?

Catch up. Then we'll talk.

[Golden]

But yes, I have seen Golden scumslip before. It is a rare and amazing phenomenon.

Marmot has seen a golden scumslip! It was a terrible one, too. Should have been game-ending.