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Overlooked this question.Silver Lantern wrote:What is your read on JJJ Sloonei?
vote GoldenJaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't believe so. Go crazy.Sloonei wrote:Do we have any votes yet today?
I looked into this. For reference, I am referring to her last post in this game:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Elohcin, you said you were following the pack. I am pretty sure I have seen you do this exact thing before in a game where you didn't keep up, though I can't remember which one or what your alignment was. I'll try to find it.
I thought the parallel was more recent, but I traced it back to Turf Wars from April 2016.Elohcin wrote:I'm going to vote before I forget. I'm trusting the people...Dyslexicon.
Scotty wrote:I'm here, and ready to party.
Also voting for JJJ to receive the Map. He hasn't been bad in forever so what are the odds he's bad now?
Then a filler post.Scotty wrote:I'm sorry it looked fake.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:North-east because I like a little of
everything.
Lynch: Scotty
His support of me in the map business looked fake. Also I appreciate those who entrusted the map to me, I will do my best to live up the appropriate standard.
It's because it was.
I voted for INH to receive the map
"Magic bagging", or hinting at a role. Not a fan of the Soneji lynch, as I like Soneji. Still early in the game, so that'll pass, but I also don't like the role stuff and the defeatest attitude, even inScotty wrote:Lynch: Soneji
He hasn't checked in yet. He's probably out to get us.
Oh, I have an interesting role with a power that is only as useful as I keep talking. I'm questioning whether or not I'll ever use it, since my Chatty Cathy days might be numbered soon
Jump on the biggest lynch train up to this point, while joking about it being false to keep an out handy. Sirengif or whatever goes here. Do not like.Scotty wrote:Good catch!
Now watch that just be an arbitrary number and there's actually 4.
Lynch: Dyslexicon
Scotty wrote:I see I missed a lot in being gone from the thread. I'm real busy y'all, Donny participation is highly dragging on all fronts going forward.
I'm caught up, and realize that this is why I prefer to vote no-shows on day 1. I'm not sure who's bad. I thought Nutella was playing the fences early on with her first few posts, but I like her recent
posts. The golden thing seems like a pretty good place to continue down I guess.
Not liking Wilgy's entrance. Any time he plays the WIFOM card my eyebrow twitches. Both he and MM.
I see the slip as what it was: a slip. Going to continue to defend me voting Dys. Could be difference in culture, but I don't like the bait tactics and choose to believe it were really that easy to bait a
response out of someone with an "obvious" fakeslip, it's just as easy to scumslip.
More talk about his role that can't matter to us because we can't and shouldn't probably know about it. Keeps on the Dizzy thing, but gets out next post.Scotty wrote:What I'm not used to is this type of soft lynch style. Makes me nervous either we won't get there, or there'll be a runoff/CFD last second.
In any case, I'm quite lacking on a place to start this game except what's given to me. I've also never had a role like this one and I'm literally doing the opposite of what I should be doing to make my role
fully effective.
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I can't open the [Dizzy proof] link right now.
There's that jump off. Not a "good catch" anymore, huh?Scotty wrote:Yeah that looks identical to this one.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Here's a more direct link for everyone else
A screencap:And for a little extra fun, a few posts later:Spoiler: showThoughts immediately, Scotty.Spoiler: show
Unvote Dyslexicon
The beginning of some Wilgy stuff. A pity we don't know Wilgy's alignment. He explains later, so I'll assume that voting like this was for the peaking of interest. Null post.Scotty wrote:I'm voting Wilgy. Don't know who hasn't checked in yet, if anyone. Nor can I currently find the vote totals.
Vote Wilgy
A very safe, but helpful, correction. Doesn't really narrow the field for mafia or require opinion/commitment. (I'm not complaining about what he does here, just pointing out that it doesn't break theme.)Scotty wrote:Did you read the link Dys posted where he made this exact "slip" not 2 weeks ago?Strawhenge wrote:Response to Dyslexicon:
1. I flagged you but didn't vote for the same reason Jay did: to wait for your response. I did mention this, but kind of in the second degree because I was advising someone not to pile votes on you until you
responded.
2. Unless the marmot has actual reason to suspect me, I wouldn't read into his vote for me too deeply. He and I have history: in the Talking Heads game I tunneled him hard out of desperation and game-
fatigue. He owes me many, many lynch votes. That is, unless he has actual reasons to vote for me pertaining to this game.
3. Mentioning my paranoia was a fluff post, and not at all sincere. I haven't played Mafia in...like, a year? More? That was just me saying it was good to be back.
4. Brusquely saying, 'No,' to my posts without explanation felt almost like you were trying to alienate me or something, because I've played only one game here before. I was taking it personally, I'm
disregarding it now, never mind.
5. Most importantly: your response to the 'slip'. Your initial responses read as aloof, as if to laughingly blame us for misreading an obvious and dumb mistake. You insisted that you weren't dumb enough to
make such a mistake--something backed up by Jay, who said that not even most beginners would slip such information.
But as Jay also said, even vets mistakes. Egregious ones. I've done it. Jay's done it. Most vets I've played with have done it. I think that the true mistake is not so much in your original slip but the
manner in which you responded to it. First aloofness, and then explaining yourself.
Also, citing other games and saying, 'But look at my meta! See? I've done this before!' is a classic scum move.
Vote Dyslexicon
Scotty wrote:You should vote Wilgy with meJaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think the value of changeable votes is in late-phase maneuvering, not in pressure. Townies lose a lot of their ability to cooperate if they're stuck with just one
vote all day. That's just Mafia theory though, don't mind me.
Mafia theory stuff. Not UN-helpful, but same as previous post. Not towny either.Scotty wrote:Tell me that any of Wilgy's 6 posts have a desire to do anything to sell Wilgy as civ?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Okay.Scotty wrote:You should vote Wilgy with meJaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think the value of changeable votes is in late-phase maneuvering, not in pressure.
Townies lose a lot of their ability to cooperate if they're stuck with just one vote all day. That's just Mafia theory though, don't mind me.
Unvote
Vote DrWilgy
Now tell me why we're doing this.
Anytime he invites WIFOM in early, and not talk about anything else in particular, I'm very wary.
Does it matter at this point in the game?Scotty wrote:anyway, is 5 an appropriate number anyway for 21 people in a cluster fuck game?
Fair excuse. Also, Scotty is in more than one game. Low content may be a part of that.Scotty wrote:I'm on page 15 but checking in to say I won't be around today per request of the girl. So if something was said of me after page 15, my apologies!
More possible role hinting, then obviously throwing cluelessness out there. Egh.Scotty wrote:I've been gone a while and see that we're down 2 civs and a ???. Hopefully that was a vigikill and a bullseye. I think wilgy was bad.
But then I haven't really read the last 8 or so pages I don't think.
Why was sig lynched again?
Oh, and I have info but I'm not sure how to use it.
Meh. Waiting for the vomit.Scotty wrote:Oh well yea that would be a lousy role.speedchuck wrote:Or it might be his role to hide it. I'm saying that -------- is not his role/alignment. :P
That would make sense if this was a vig. Wilgy does not seem like a good mafia kill target.
Gotta really
Read between the lines
Hi Sloonei! I about as lost as youSloonei wrote:Replacement kill: Sorsha
Wuttup?
I am at work right now. I'll vomit some posts into the thread when I'm home. Someone tell me about important events please.
Fair question, I guess. I probably need to read the flavor and the OP.Scotty wrote:Am I to believe that we're now in a new part of the grid, and this night poll means we're moving again in those same directions?
Last post, so I'll break it apart:Scotty wrote:I have a feeling Silver is doing a lot of showing and could be putting on a show. I don't read him/her as town right now.
I wanted to suspect Golden or JJJ or something for talking a bunch, since it's always a nightmare of mine in trying to ISO them. I ain't nailing them on anything since I'm rather indisposed in Canada right
now with limited wifi, but I feel as though some of the big talkers are circumventing. If my dad talked all the time about his beliefs when I was a child, I'd probably be in Juvie by 13 for doing something
dangerous. I wouldn't know better.
Don't worry, my parents got divorced early on so I rarely see him now.
But hey, ya know? I think the most suspicious person here is Elo. reasons easily assumable.
Lynch: Elohcin
I think Jack voted Elochin, but yeah not a lot of votes yet this phase.Sloonei wrote:vote GoldenJaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't believe so. Go crazy.Sloonei wrote:Do we have any votes yet today?
I think an independent role is the most likely cause of Wilgy's disappearance. There's not much way to discern that right now though that I can see other than to speculate. I'm not sure what pro-civilian utility there'd be to kidnapping a player, so I lean toward it being some another origin -- and the Nacho kill looks more standard for a mafia team.Fredwood wrote:2. The likely hood of a vig having a janitored kill seems slim, so do you guys have Neutral killers? Seems likely that was who killed Wilgy...though it doesn't read right as a vig kill because Wilgy was pinging a lot of people, so perhaps some misdirection shenanigans. I guess it could be the mafia kill and the Nacho kill could be some sort of Vig hit...but I don't know why the vig would choose Nacho.
Yes, that breaks down the idea that Nacho would have been killed on Night 1 of his first civilian game here, which changes the dynamic of what I was thinking about. To clarify my prior view though: I didn't suggest there'd be no Syndicate regulars on the team, but that it'd be a good look for those Syndicate regulars who played with him last time and are likely to be vocal contributors behind the scenes. That matters a lot less now though that I am aware Nacho played in Monkey Island.Fredwood wrote:4. If I missed this JJJ, but Golden made a comment about this being Nacho's 3rd game here, 2nd as town, does this change your view on the players you listed, in regards to specifically to Nacho's death? I have a hard time seeing that in a game this large that there wouldn't at least be one Syndicate "familiar" on the mafia.
OK cool, thanks for the clarification.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think an independent role is the most likely cause of Wilgy's disappearance. There's not much way to discern that right now though that I can see other than to speculate. I'm not sure what pro-civilian utility there'd be to kidnapping a player, so I lean toward it being some another origin -- and the Nacho kill looks more standard for a mafia team.Fredwood wrote:2. The likely hood of a vig having a janitored kill seems slim, so do you guys have Neutral killers? Seems likely that was who killed Wilgy...though it doesn't read right as a vig kill because Wilgy was pinging a lot of people, so perhaps some misdirection shenanigans. I guess it could be the mafia kill and the Nacho kill could be some sort of Vig hit...but I don't know why the vig would choose Nacho.
Yes, that breaks down the idea that Nacho would have been killed on Night 1 of his first civilian game here, which changes the dynamic of what I was thinking about. To clarify my prior view though: I didn't suggest there'd be no Syndicate regulars on the team, but that it'd be a good look for those Syndicate regulars who played with him last time and are likely to be vocal contributors behind the scenes. That matters a lot less now though that I am aware Nacho played in Monkey Island.Fredwood wrote:4. If I missed this JJJ, but Golden made a comment about this being Nacho's 3rd game here, 2nd as town, does this change your view on the players you listed, in regards to specifically to Nacho's death? I have a hard time seeing that in a game this large that there wouldn't at least be one Syndicate "familiar" on the mafia.
Sloonei wrote:I owe Scotty an ISO. He's a very popular target for suspicion all the time on the Syndicate, and he's also a player I feel like I have consistent success reading relative to others. I'll do that at some point today.
speedchuck just posted a large one.Sloonei wrote:I don't know what the case against him is in this game right now.
I agree you didn't omit intentionally, and I also agree this pushes your needle back towards town for me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:JOH:
I don't interpret Nacho's reception of my POE reads to be a joke at all. Indeed he is accustomed to playing in an environment where that kind of methodology is very typical. I think he and I were on a similar wavelength in that regard. I didn't only want to present his suspects, I wanted to present a larger framework for his theory of the game. I think that's more likely to have driven his being killed.
Where you're correct is that Nacho did not state a confident scum read on you; I don't believe he stated one at all. It was his mindset of POE that I was working with, not his specific declared suspects. You were highlighted because of the overlap with my assessment of the sig votes. Based upon those two angles combined I see reason to suspect you, and I grant still that it's speculative work. I intend to do more.
Golden:
I didn't realize Nacho played in Monkey Island, so that's an important detail that changes a lot of what I had been thinking. However, this might help you to understand where my mind was at: do you believe I intentionally omitted that? I certainly didn't. And regarding the notion of a contradiction in my assessment of kill meta: I said it depends on the person; it also depends on the circumstance. What I was describing was a circumstance that'd be likely to influence the mindset of a vocal Syndicate regular on the mafia team.
One more point that I think you'll be more likely to resonate with than most: I would never kill Nacho on Night 1 in this game. I was really looking forward to playing with him, because in our only other game together (the MU hydra game) our GJJ hydra was vig-shot on N1. That's why I groaned to see him get offed so early in this one. He plays a lot like I do and I wanted to see more this time.
I did quote 97% of his non-fluff posts in mine. Would be interested in seeing a meta-read on what I came up with. Feel free to use my post for convenience.Sloonei wrote:I owe Scotty an ISO. He's a very popular target for suspicion all the time on the Syndicate, and he's also a player I feel like I have consistent success reading relative to others. I'll do that at some point today.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Question for the HCR folks:
What are your reads on each other?
Jay most, straw second most. I get good vibes from jack.speedchuck wrote:An idea, or a question, really:
JOH, JJJ, Strawhenge, and Golden: Who is most likely to be scum out of the other three in this group?
You're the ones that have been debating/disputing a bit, so your opinions probably matter to me.
I'd like to hear more about that.Golden wrote:I get good vibes from jack.
Yeah, your post was what inspired me to say it. I did look over it and I don't feel like I want to lynch Scotty immediately, but I'm also missing a bit of context still, and I've been doing mafia stuff since I woke up this morning and need to take a break.speedchuck wrote:I did quote 97% of his non-fluff posts in mine. Would be interested in seeing a meta-read on what I came up with. Feel free to use my post for convenience.Sloonei wrote:I owe Scotty an ISO. He's a very popular target for suspicion all the time on the Syndicate, and he's also a player I feel like I have consistent success reading relative to others. I'll do that at some point today.
The highlighted portion largely reflects my perspective. I need to determine via ISO whether that's an unfair standard to set or if a closer look might yield a different view.Fredwood wrote:Jack, not really sure what to make of him, he's kind of all over the spectrum for me. This might be some of the bias from experience with him as he and Rokk are probably the two best players we have on the realms, so I tend to be wary of them. Some of it maybe early game with a large post count where he's not dominating the conversation and none of his arguments and reads have hit me as "Oh, that makes sense let me look into that". It may be just the volume of this game, but I just don't feel threatened by him, which in turn makes me feel threatened by him.
If I made a rainbow list of just these three it would lookspeedchuck wrote:1. It is my experience that, in most mafia games (esp. when town is struggling to get strong scumreads), at least one Mafioso will be very engaged. Others try to stay out of his way a bit more, or directly engage him. Either way, these selected are active players, strawhenge on the slightly lesser side because of his disappearance and sudden reversal on the fakeslip.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Is there a particular reason you place these names together in this group?speedchuck wrote:There's probably at least one scum between JOH, JJJ, Strawhenge, and Golden, but I'm gonna wait until I have a little more info to try to ferret that out. The amount of anti-alignment in these is palpable, in my eyes. I will also be looking at this later in the day.
2. I have seen a lot of argument between JOH/JJJ, JJJ/Strawhenge, Golden/JJJ, and some other pairs. Basically, these all look to be engaged players, and none of them look particularly aligned.
3. The arguments that I've seen look very anti-aligned, but they still weasel out into being differences in gameplay style, and apologies go around. The defensive twists that turn everything on end like that worry me. It would surprise me to have THAT MUCH of this type of conflict among town. More of a correlation thing for me then causation, but enough for me to want to look at it today.
4. (Biggest reason) Gut. I do have decent townreads on these four. That probably needs to change, for me at least. That's how I feel. I'm going to try to find out what my gut is telling me before calling for lynch wagons or anything.
An idea, or a question, really:
JOH, JJJ, Strawhenge, and Golden: Who is most likely to be scum out of the other three in this group?
You're the ones that have been debating/disputing a bit, so your opinions probably matter to me.
I'll do a full reads list when I get to work.Sloonei wrote:Golden I want to know all about the reads you have in this game right now please.
This was a joke post.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:JOH, did you receive a night PM of some sort that led you to this post? Answer however the rules allow. I ask because of Epi's avatar.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Based on her one post, Eloh is probably mafia.
I feel Fred is town.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Question for the HCR folks:
What are your reads on each other?
gfishfunk wrote: Silver Lantern - The only thing that needs to be said: A bull on fire in a flammable china shop.
Once more with feeling!Fredwood wrote:Look at me being a post count snob.
Insert Siren Gif.Fredwood wrote:Look at me being a post count snob.
gfishfunk wrote: Silver Lantern - The only thing that needs to be said: A bull on fire in a flammable china shop.
He reads the same as the guy I came to trust in unfortunate events. His interactions with me have felt like a genuine attempt to figure me out.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'd like to hear more about that.Golden wrote:I get good vibes from jack.
To be quite frank:Jackofhearts2005 wrote:JJJ is generating content, which is good. I didn't like his defense of Dizzy yesterday (or yours). Felt like he was presented with a WIFOM type scenario (fake slip vs fake fake slip) and he argued heavily in favor of fake slip for reasons I disagree with.
Silver Lantern wrote:Once more with feeling!Fredwood wrote:Look at me being a post count snob.
Insert Siren Gif.Fredwood wrote:Look at me being a post count snob.
I can address that, I guess. Might be helpful. Or you might think I'm being too defensive.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:(I think yours is worse cause you kept additionally backpedalling from saying Dizzy was town. Like you wanted to throw shade and still keep your options open.)
I totally understand where you're coming from with "Jack seems just sort of middle of the road as a bit of a red flag". He's usually as aggressive as I am as town, and he doesn't seem so aggressive here.Fredwood wrote:Jack, not really sure what to make of him, he's kind of all over the spectrum for me. This might be some of the bias from experience with him as he and Rokk are probably the two best players we have on the realms, so I tend to be wary of them. Some of it maybe early game with a large post count where he's not dominating the conversation and none of his arguments and reads have hit me as "Oh, that makes sense let me look into that". It may be just the volume of this game, but I just don't feel threatened by him, which in turn makes me feel threatened by him.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Question for the HCR folks:
What are your reads on each other?
TL;DR - I'm never going to have a solid read on Jack.
QFT!Fredwood wrote:As for Fred, Fuck that guy.
gfishfunk wrote: Silver Lantern - The only thing that needs to be said: A bull on fire in a flammable china shop.
Town. I like his observations. I like his reactions.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey JOH, please tell me about your perspective of Quin.
Hmm... That is a good point. I have a reason I voted to go SW, but it's purely speculative in nature.Fredwood wrote:Also, Silver, if we go South west, won't we return to the starting area? I guess that's more a question for Spirit if the starting area is still travelable.
gfishfunk wrote: Silver Lantern - The only thing that needs to be said: A bull on fire in a flammable china shop.
This is what I felt yesterday too. That it's a great alibi wherein a saavy scummer could use it to seem to be town in retrospect. However, his responses to pressure were pretty on point for a town read IMO. Of course from what I understand no here has played with him before, so he may just be really good at seeming town even when he's not.Sloonei wrote:I think Dyslexicon's fake slip was genuine (as in, I think he deliberately "fake slipped"). But I do not think it's impossible for a scum player to do this. I am currently leaning town on him, but that's without doing all my homework.
gfishfunk wrote: Silver Lantern - The only thing that needs to be said: A bull on fire in a flammable china shop.
I can support this vote. I found the ISO on him to be pretty solidly not in his favor.speedchuck wrote:I'm going to VOTE SCOTTY until I find a good reason not to do so.
gfishfunk wrote: Silver Lantern - The only thing that needs to be said: A bull on fire in a flammable china shop.
Don't get cocky kid!JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My other account is going to be better than last place in post count.
the poop emoji but on someone's head?gfishfunk wrote: Silver Lantern - The only thing that needs to be said: A bull on fire in a flammable china shop.
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