Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[MacDougall]

Don't bother with Sloonei for now, we have bigger fish to fry

Which fish are bigger than me? I want names.

Colin
Marmot
Nova

Yes Colin and Marmot are highly questionable and extremely compatible with scum Sloonei.

Let me give you some intel. Sloonei is not a fool. He is a very good player. If you are reading his posts and town reading him that is of no surprise. My case is not about his post content, it's entirely based on analysing the underlying intention behind his play. Players like Sloonei don't get lynched for post content. So don't give them credit for it.

[MacDougall]

@Sloonei

I look fabulous.

Who you gonna vote for today?

Idk. I’m slightly intoxicated. (Quick! Try to figure out if I’m bad!)

I still suspect you and Colin but nothing is set in stone.

I recommend not suspecting me. Tell me about Colin.

You tell me about Colin? Why did you mention Colin?

Because Jack mentioned Colin.

Get out of the tunnel.

Yeah cool. Didn't take you long to play the I am tunneling card...

Look out guys, don't suspect and question Sloonei for more than two posts or you are tunneling.

[Golden]

Looking at the poll, I see that Kyle also voted for Luna, but I can't see what the order was. Was kyle's vote before or after this? If Kyle was already there then I don't quite object to the strategy as strongly as I otherwise would. A 2-person train is not nothing in this poll, even with <10 minutes to go. Regardless, I am not a big fan of this vote. @ColinIsCool if you were to have ranked the three main wagons (nova, sig, epi) in order of preference at the time of this vote, how would that list have looked?

my vote came later i think, i voted near the end of the phase

Nope, yours was well earlier.

[Sloonei]

Don't bother with Sloonei for now, we have bigger fish to fry

Which fish are bigger than me? I want names.

Colin
Marmot
Nova

Yes Colin and Marmot are highly questionable and extremely compatible with scum Sloonei.

Let me give you some intel. Sloonei is not a fool. He is a very good player. If you are reading his posts and town reading him that is of no surprise. My case is not about his post content, it's entirely based on analysing the underlying intention behind his play. Players like Sloonei don't get lynched for post content. So don't give them credit for it.

You are wrong about my intentions, but you're making decent observations about me. This reminds me of SVS in the GoC like two weeks ago.

[wolbre04]

Don't bother with Sloonei for now, we have bigger fish to fry

Okay junior. Don't come in here and try to shit all over my work without explaining why all of a sudden you have such a great town read on him that you want to completely take him off the table. Explain why.

I never said he's town but I'm fairly certain he's not mafia. Refer to my post where I said I will address this later on. That doesn't mean we should ignore him, but I'm less worried about him for now. He ISNT off the table yet for me.

I'm much more sure of Colin being scum as I've mentioned him with more certainty than his buddies.
[VOTE: COLINISCOOL] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Okay Sloonei. I'm willing to set aside our differences if we just straight up lynch Colin today.

[MacDougall]

Don't bother with Sloonei for now, we have bigger fish to fry

Okay junior. Don't come in here and try to shit all over my work without explaining why all of a sudden you have such a great town read on him that you want to completely take him off the table. Explain why.

I never said he's town but I'm fairly certain he's not mafia. Refer to my post where I said I will address this later on. That doesn't mean we should ignore him, but I'm less worried about him for now. He ISNT off the table yet for me.

I'm much more sure of Colin being scum as I've mentioned him with more certainty than his buddies.
[VOTE: COLINISCOOL] aubergine

I had the thought that Sloonei was a possible member of the Hellenic League too, but quite frankly I don't give a crap and if we lynch him and he flips any of those three I would consider that a net positive given they have the future capacity to be scum anyway. I'd also consider it slightly less likely mathematically than him just being outright Persian.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei

I look fabulous.

Who you gonna vote for today?

Idk. I’m slightly intoxicated. (Quick! Try to figure out if I’m bad!)

I still suspect you and Colin but nothing is set in stone.

I recommend not suspecting me. Tell me about Colin.

You tell me about Colin? Why did you mention Colin?

Because Jack mentioned Colin.

Get out of the tunnel.

Yeah cool. Didn't take you long to play the I am tunneling card...

Look out guys, don't suspect and question Sloonei for more than two posts or you are tunneling.

You're tunneling me. It happens. You just accused me because I asked a player to explain a read they stated.

[Quin]

Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.

what?

μιλώ ελληνικά εδώ;

[MacDougall]

Don't bother with Sloonei for now, we have bigger fish to fry

Which fish are bigger than me? I want names.

Colin
Marmot
Nova

Yes Colin and Marmot are highly questionable and extremely compatible with scum Sloonei.

Let me give you some intel. Sloonei is not a fool. He is a very good player. If you are reading his posts and town reading him that is of no surprise. My case is not about his post content, it's entirely based on analysing the underlying intention behind his play. Players like Sloonei don't get lynched for post content. So don't give them credit for it.

You are wrong about my intentions, but you're making decent observations about me. This reminds me of SVS in the GoC like two weeks ago.

Of course you would say that though because to not would be to admit you are bad for no apparent reason, so tbh these words should be flatly ignored unless they have clues of mindset that leak through them.

I see the Matrix Sloonei.

[MacDougall]

Who you gonna vote for today?

Idk. I’m slightly intoxicated. (Quick! Try to figure out if I’m bad!)

I still suspect you and Colin but nothing is set in stone.

I recommend not suspecting me. Tell me about Colin.

You tell me about Colin? Why did you mention Colin?

Because Jack mentioned Colin.

Get out of the tunnel.

Yeah cool. Didn't take you long to play the I am tunneling card...

Look out guys, don't suspect and question Sloonei for more than two posts or you are tunneling.

You're tunneling me. It happens. You just accused me because I asked a player to explain a read they stated.

No I'm not tunneling you. I have no drill. I am not in your physical presence. I have you as a scum read, have my vote on you and I am trying to convince people you are bad because that is the aim of the game.

God I hate being accused of tunneling.

[MacDougall]

Anyone with suspicion of Colin, pile votes onto him now. I have an idea.

[Sloonei]

Okay Sloonei. I'm willing to set aside our differences if we just straight up lynch Colin today.

Maybe. Have any of your reads on the players you vowed to rain hell on changed since last night?

[MacDougall]

Okay Sloonei. I'm willing to set aside our differences if we just straight up lynch Colin today.

Maybe. Have any of your reads on the players you vowed to rain hell on changed since last night?

Not really. I like to assume the baddie team and work backwards from there. If you do something to make me second guess myself like help me lynch Colin and he flips bad, then maybe I will change my mind.

[wolbre04]

Don't bother with Sloonei for now, we have bigger fish to fry

Okay junior. Don't come in here and try to shit all over my work without explaining why all of a sudden you have such a great town read on him that you want to completely take him off the table. Explain why.

I never said he's town but I'm fairly certain he's not mafia. Refer to my post where I said I will address this later on. That doesn't mean we should ignore him, but I'm less worried about him for now. He ISNT off the table yet for me.

I'm much more sure of Colin being scum as I've mentioned him with more certainty than his buddies.
[VOTE: COLINISCOOL] aubergine

I had the thought that Sloonei was a possible member of the Hellenic League too, but quite frankly I don't give a crap and if we lynch him and he flips any of those three I would consider that a net positive given they have the future capacity to be scum anyway. I'd also consider it slightly less likely mathematically than him just being outright Persian.

I'll come back to this later on. In the meantime I'll get some shit done and be a good boy

[Long Con]

No I'm not tunneling you. I have no drill. I am not in your physical presence.

Do you picture tunnelling someone as drilling a drill into them?

I always visualize it as an old subway tunnel with a distant light at the end.

[Sloonei]

Okay Sloonei. I'm willing to set aside our differences if we just straight up lynch Colin today.

Maybe. Have any of your reads on the players you vowed to rain hell on changed since last night?

Not really. I like to assume the baddie team and work backwards from there. If you do something to make me second guess myself like help me lynch Colin and he flips bad, then maybe I will change my mind.

We will see. Colin deseves a chance to defend himself.

[MacDougall]

Okay Sloonei. I'm willing to set aside our differences if we just straight up lynch Colin today.

Maybe. Have any of your reads on the players you vowed to rain hell on changed since last night?

Not really. I like to assume the baddie team and work backwards from there. If you do something to make me second guess myself like help me lynch Colin and he flips bad, then maybe I will change my mind.

We will see. Colin deseves a chance to defend himself.

Defenses are overrated. They should largely be ignored. If someone was scummy they were scummy and all listening to them say shit does is give yourself a chance to second guess yourself. You probably want him to defend himself because he's your scummate.

[MacDougall]

No I'm not tunneling you. I have no drill. I am not in your physical presence.

Do you picture tunnelling someone as drilling a drill into them?

I always visualize it as an old subway tunnel with a distant light at the end.

I visualise it exactly as you do. I was just trying to make a point.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sloonei

I look fabulous.

Who you gonna vote for today?

Idk. I’m slightly intoxicated. (Quick! Try to figure out if I’m bad!)

I still suspect you and Colin but nothing is set in stone.

I recommend not suspecting me. Tell me about Colin.

You tell me about Colin? Why did you mention Colin?

Because Jack mentioned Colin.

Get out of the tunnel.

Yeah cool. Didn't take you long to play the I am tunneling card...

Look out guys, don't suspect and question Sloonei for more than two posts or you are tunneling.

That’s a bit unfair.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Don't bother with Sloonei for now, we have bigger fish to fry

Which fish are bigger than me? I want names.

Colin
Marmot
Nova

Yes Colin and Marmot are highly questionable and extremely compatible with scum Sloonei.

Let me give you some intel. Sloonei is not a fool. He is a very good player. If you are reading his posts and town reading him that is of no surprise. My case is not about his post content, it's entirely based on analysing the underlying intention behind his play. Players like Sloonei don't get lynched for post content. So don't give them credit for it.

You are wrong about my intentions, but you're making decent observations about me. This reminds me of SVS in the GoC like two weeks ago.

She was town right?

[Sloonei]

Don't bother with Sloonei for now, we have bigger fish to fry

Which fish are bigger than me? I want names.

Colin
Marmot
Nova

Yes Colin and Marmot are highly questionable and extremely compatible with scum Sloonei.

Let me give you some intel. Sloonei is not a fool. He is a very good player. If you are reading his posts and town reading him that is of no surprise. My case is not about his post content, it's entirely based on analysing the underlying intention behind his play. Players like Sloonei don't get lynched for post content. So don't give them credit for it.

You are wrong about my intentions, but you're making decent observations about me. This reminds me of SVS in the GoC like two weeks ago.

She was town right?

She was. I get very sincere vibes from Mac right now too.

[Turnip Head]

I have an idea.

uhhh

[Marmot]

Theories

1) Baddies include one or both of dunya and wolbre
2) Baddies want us to lynch one of dunya and wolbre
3) Baddies saw Epi's performance in GoC and are intimidated by him generally
4) Baddies just want to screw with us
5) Baddies don't know what is up

Anyone want to rank these theories?

I don't really want to rank them, that seems like pointless busy work to me. 6) Golden killed Epi and wants to control the narrative that ensues

This is how I'm feeling too.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Don't bother with Sloonei for now, we have bigger fish to fry

Okay junior. Don't come in here and try to shit all over my work without explaining why all of a sudden you have such a great town read on him that you want to completely take him off the table. Explain why.

I never said he's town but I'm fairly certain he's not mafia. Refer to my post where I said I will address this later on. That doesn't mean we should ignore him, but I'm less worried about him for now. He ISNT off the table yet for me.

I'm much more sure of Colin being scum as I've mentioned him with more certainty than his buddies.
[VOTE: COLINISCOOL] aubergine

This post is yucky.

“Don’t bother with Sloonei. I didn’t say Sloonei is good. Sloonei is good. Plz Refer to previous post that doesn’t actually explain anything. I’m not saying to ignore Sloonei except that I did. Suddenly, Sloonei is back on the table for unstated reasons.”

[MacDougall]

Who you gonna vote for today?

Idk. I’m slightly intoxicated. (Quick! Try to figure out if I’m bad!)

I still suspect you and Colin but nothing is set in stone.

I recommend not suspecting me. Tell me about Colin.

You tell me about Colin? Why did you mention Colin?

Because Jack mentioned Colin.

Get out of the tunnel.

Yeah cool. Didn't take you long to play the I am tunneling card...

Look out guys, don't suspect and question Sloonei for more than two posts or you are tunneling.

That’s a bit unfair.

How so?

[Marmot]

Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.

Meh. I think killing Epi links it to no one. That’s the only basis for the kill to me, as well as avoiding the doctor (I think there is one of those in this game). Like, he’s the one of the least obvious kill choices mafi would make.

Also why would they be “frustrated”? It’s not like he was making waves in the civ department.

I don’t yet like your entrance, Quin

Good point.

I do think we can look at the loudest pushers of Epignosis's lynch, and I believe they are likely civilians.

[Marmot]

More evidence suggesting I don’t have a clue why Syndicate scum teams kill who they do.

I don’t expect anyone to take this at face value but I wouldn’t kill a player that’s particularly likely to get mislynched. I’m sure there is a logic of sorts to that kill but I don’t get it.

I don't think Epignosis would have been mislynched today had he not been nightkilled.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Cause you did way more than try to question Sloonei for 2 posts.

[Marmot]

I swear to the gods if for but one quest I might earn their favor, I will journey to the Underworld and cross the river Styx to bring Epignosis bak2lyfe

Ok.

[Golden]

I am currently very happy with my vote on Sloonei

[Marmot]

Don't bother with Sloonei for now, we have bigger fish to fry

Whozza bigger fishes?

[Marmot]

Golden, what do you think of Dom?

[Marmot]

Oh I'm a big fish.

[Sloonei]

Theories

1) Baddies include one or both of dunya and wolbre
2) Baddies want us to lynch one of dunya and wolbre
3) Baddies saw Epi's performance in GoC and are intimidated by him generally
4) Baddies just want to screw with us
5) Baddies don't know what is up

Anyone want to rank these theories?

I don't really want to rank them, that seems like pointless busy work to me. 6) Golden killed Epi and wants to control the narrative that ensues

This is how I'm feeling too.

Having just played a game where I faced accusations of “controlling the narrative” more than a few times: no.

That said I have some concerns about Golden that I want to flesh out when I have the energy for it.

[Golden]

Golden, what do you think of Dom?

Town

[Marmot]

Just want to point out that I do not nightkill Epignosis on Night 1. I've got that going for me.

[Golden]

Theories

1) Baddies include one or both of dunya and wolbre
2) Baddies want us to lynch one of dunya and wolbre
3) Baddies saw Epi's performance in GoC and are intimidated by him generally
4) Baddies just want to screw with us
5) Baddies don't know what is up

Anyone want to rank these theories?

I don't really want to rank them, that seems like pointless busy work to me. 6) Golden killed Epi and wants to control the narrative that ensues

This is how I'm feeling too.

Having just played a game where I faced accusations of “controlling the narrative” more than a few times: no.

That said I have some concerns about Golden that I want to flesh out when I have the energy for it.

You’ve demonstrated plenty of energy today.

[Marmot]

Golden, what do you think of Dom?

Town

Do you have any thoughts on his recent interactions with me? I find them malicious, but I could be biased just from being an involved member.

[Golden]

Just want to point out that I do not nightkill Epignosis on Night 1. I've got that going for me.

I can vouch for this, but again my point to jack.

I never thought you were bad anyway. Your brief case on daisy reeks town marmot.

[Sloonei]

Theories

1) Baddies include one or both of dunya and wolbre
2) Baddies want us to lynch one of dunya and wolbre
3) Baddies saw Epi's performance in GoC and are intimidated by him generally
4) Baddies just want to screw with us
5) Baddies don't know what is up

Anyone want to rank these theories?

I don't really want to rank them, that seems like pointless busy work to me. 6) Golden killed Epi and wants to control the narrative that ensues

This is how I'm feeling too.

Having just played a game where I faced accusations of “controlling the narrative” more than a few times: no.

That said I have some concerns about Golden that I want to flesh out when I have the energy for it.

You’ve demonstrated plenty of energy today.

And now it’s nearly 2 AM and I have work in the morning.

[Golden]

Golden, what do you think of Dom?

Town

Do you have any thoughts on his recent interactions with me? I find them malicious, but I could be biased just from being an involved member.

Who doesn’t find doms interactions malicious when aimed at them? Dom has a way of questioning things no one else does, and when you’re in the heat of it can seem irrelevant or pointed, but in my experience it isn’t.

I can’t read dom for shit, so take my read for what it’s worth. He certainly was key to sigs lynch and I think he’s a pretty easy mark today.

[Golden]

I don’t really believe Sloonei has concerns with me. Flaws, perhaps, or outliers in behaviour in a general read, but I don’t think he reads me bad.

[Marmot]

Golden, what do you think of Dom?

Town

Do you have any thoughts on his recent interactions with me? I find them malicious, but I could be biased just from being an involved member.

Who doesn’t find doms interactions malicious when aimed at them? Dom has a way of questioning things no one else does, and when you’re in the heat of it can seem irrelevant or pointed, but in my experience it isn’t.

I can’t read dom for shit, so take my read for what it’s worth. He certainly was key to sigs lynch and I think he’s a pretty easy mark today.

My memory is failing me, but has anyone called him out for his vote as a result?

[Sloonei]

I don’t really believe Sloonei has concerns with me. Flaws, perhaps, or outliers in behaviour in a general read, but I don’t think he reads me bad.

Gun to my head I would read you good. But that is far from a sure thing.

[Marmot]

I don’t really believe Sloonei has concerns with me. Flaws, perhaps, or outliers in behaviour in a general read, but I don’t think he reads me bad.

Gun to my head I would read you good. But that is far from a sure thing.

This is all very concerning.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Remember that time I explained why Wolfo was bad and nobody noticed?

Whadoilooklike? Mac?

[Marmot]

A quick read through Sloonei's post history brings up a few mentions of Golden. There are only a few of them (aside from the last hour) that weren't direct responses to Golden himself as a result of something Golden said. Those are quoted below.

Spoiler: show

every game Dom has been in with me, he ended up being inactive so this is actually the first time I get to play with him and I'm not at all familiar with his meta. from what I have heard, this seems to be Dom being Dom.

But your vote is currently on him.

Weird how I was inactive and people discussed my meta.

I'll elaborate on this.

She's heard of my meta in games I never really played in? Really, my meta came up?

suspect af. who in btsc gave you an idea of my meta?

nah you were compared to other players to me in discord in the past when we were OT discussing prolific Syndicate mafia players.

Nope. Don't believe this.

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

There is a consistent theme of dunya suspicion in LC's post history, but this is where he placed his vote. This is my least favorite point I've seen brought against dunya in the game, so I'm not crazy about it being the apparent straw that broke the camel's back for LC. He made a more substantial point against her here:

The one that stands out the most right now is dunya's vote for scotty - I have no history with dunya, but dunya has no history with scotty. It's possible it stands out for 'culture clash' reasons.

I dunno. I prodded Scotty for info on his personality both from Scotty and others, and backed it up with a vote. My vote and questioning his motives and sincerity has created discussion. This is a good thing. We have 48 hours; my vote's moving all over the place before I make a more informed Day 1 decision.

This post strengthens my suspicion of dunya. Votes for pressure don't have a lot of teeth when you explain them away as harmless prodders.

I do the same thing sometimes... because I'm bad.

Me too. I think maybe it was the original Phenon when I was doing that, and I got called out correctly for it. That's precisely why I am sensitive to it now.

But I don't necessarily agree that that is suspicious. Dunya announced her vote as a pressure vote well after the fact, and being open about pressure voting on Day 1 was fairly standard on RYM, where dunya comes from.

For someone to think I’m bad in this game they have to believe...

You turn out bad and you'll never be able to say this phrase again. I'll be watching.

This post feels like it could be indirectly setting up a tinfoil case against Golden, and I don't love that.

I'd like to reads from LC on players not called dunya.

Sloonei accues Long Con of setting up a tinfoil case against Golden.

Spoiler: show

Sloppy -> Scumtell
Random voting -> Scumtell

Anyway, I always work the evening shift so expect low to zero participation from 14:00 to 24:00
It's possible I could scrabble some posts here and there but my participation in this game will be from low to low-average.
It's a blast we get to play again together guys. Thank you Jay.

It's been a long time since I played a game with choutas, but I struggle to see how he can label "random voting" as a scumtell. Choutas is another player who has been predominantly focused on one suspect (Golden), and I don't agree with his reasoning at all. @Choutas give me other reads.

Sloonei asks Choutas for reads on players aside from Golden.



Addendum: I don't really know where these concerns he mentions stems from. If anything, Sloonei was turning other players' attention away from Golden, intentionally or not.

[Marmot]

I wish Jack would post more. Is he even playing this game?

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I am concerne about him.