M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:03 am
LC, it's fine, I apologize too if I've bothered you at all. I may get very aggressive in game but I never mean any offense towards the person I'm dogpeeing on or anyone else. I felt bad about making a whole ordeal out of this, so I wanted to come back here specifically to say that.
I don't mind being bothered, and I rarely take offense. My ideal Mafia game contains people who get livid sometimes, and even people getting pissed off at other people. Some of the best fun comes from that
so long as everyone keeps the perspective that we are a family here, and I love all of you, even when I'm thinking "That motherfucker, I swear to Christ I'm going to burn him down to the ground for this!" That's what I want... to be fine. I want that to be cool, I don't want Human Resources getting involved, and I don't want anyone to forget that game emotions are allowed to be separate from real emotions.
One one hand, I appreciate your cool and level-headed post about the situation, and on the other, I'm disappointed because this shit was just getting good.
And given your more recent response, I understand a bit better where you might be coming from now with respect to multiple fronts, so I thought I should respond to those and thereafter just let the exchange settle for a little while. See the following:
1) To set the record straight, I did not intend to strawman anyone, either you or Colin. That's not a purposeful strategy I employ even when I am bad. The strategy I employ when I am bad is to seem as town as possible, not to like manipulate people to see some other player in a more negative or anything like that. That's not something I think I'm very good at. The only thing I think I'm good at when bad is replicating my town behavior, and I don't try to set people up to look bad when town. If I do so, it's unintentional, and I apologize if you feel like I was setting you up to fail or something. I was merely describing the way I interpreted your post (and Colin's), and throwing it back at you in the form of a question exactly how I understand it, because I wanted to get a sense for how you'd engage me going forward so it could help me determine whether I think you're fabricating it or not.
I would feel better if you would acknowledge the legitimacy of my perspective that you strawmanned us both. I hear you when you say it was not your intention, but I wasn't trying to make shit up... I'm pretty sure that what I said was valid.
Fine. FINE! I'll say it. Sorry, just talking to the voice in my head that's saying "The guy you think is bad is telling you how he plays as a baddie... riiiiiight...." Just for full disclosure on my churning thoughts on the matter. The regular brain me, that isn't a voice, but a presence, likes much of your responses and wants to call you Civ. I don't like admitting that.
2) It seemed immediately suspicious to me that you not only defended Colin but immediately proceeded to damn me as bad even though I made a good faith attempt to try to explain my behavior. I can understand that obviously you don't know my intentions and so if you prescribe some sort of nefarious narrative to my behavior, it's natural that you'd suspect me based on that narrative.
You think that's suspicious, wait until it turns out he's bad!
Ugh, too late to do anything now. I'm a big fat Colin apologist.
3) Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to ascribe to the view that once you've determined what you think is behavior indicative of a mafia member, you'd prefer not to engage and when you do you take everything with a grain of salt, because you don't want to be convinced out of being right. See, I prefer to play the other way around, even if it makes me inaccurate or feel regret. I'd rather listen to everything someone that I suspect has to say with as open a mind as possible, regardless of the actual content (and whether it's defense or accusations of other players or whatever), because I'd rather give them every single possibility to change my mind if I'm wrongly suspecting them. If that means I get convinced by people who are mafia to not suspect them, so be it.
I am ascribing to that view right now. I don't want to build my church upon it or anything. When I listen with an open mind, most everyone sounds Civ. It's like Day 1 forever. I have to draw the line somewhere. Mafia is hard.
Fiddler on the Roof
I do mean you. I'm sure we are aligned in that thinking - that we don't want you to have to get involved.
if the actor fits, you must acquit!
oh, sorry, I didn't realize that MP is the Towniest town that ever towned. How could I be so silly?
I miss you mountains, I am here to cheer you on (/^-^)/*