Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Kylemii]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

[Sloonei]

wtf I love ties now.

what the fuck

remember 9 months ago when u were so mad cus of tie meta

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These happen to be my top two suspects so I’m not gonna throw a fit.

Why?

Nothing has changed.

Colin’s abstaining thingie. For you, gut and then Mac made a convincing case but then my brain melted and I don’t remember it.

If I absolutely have to be the determining vote, I’ll let you know which of you I will pick.....by voting right before the deadline.

I responded to Mac's case here and no one bothered to look at it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack what do u think of the assertion that Sloonei is part of the Hellenic Chorus

Assertion by whom?

I’ve seen nothing that suggests that. Haven’t checked Mac’s case to see if that would jive.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

How do you play neutral? Say objectives like survivor, side chooser, or any objective that requires you to survive long enough to do a thing.

[Tangrowth]

I'm here, but only for a few minutes unfortunately. Way too busy until my Monday/Tuesday deadline otherwise; I'm entering the final hours.

[Tangrowth]

I responded to Mac's case here and no one bothered to look at it.

This is a bold-faced lie; I talked about it at least once, pretty sure I mentioned it twice or more.

[colonialbob]

Ew.

[VOTE: M+7] aubergine

Explain.

You're apologizing and distancing from a D1 civ lynch. It was D1, the odds were always that it would be a civ. That's how the game works. Why would you feel guilty about that?

I'm not distancing. At all. That's the opposite of what I'm doing; I take full responsibility for my sig vote. Of course I regret it. Why wouldn't I feel guilty about mislynching a fellow townie?

"I voted him, but only because I didn't believe in myself" (paraphrased) - aka you let yourself get pushed into a Sig vote by the thread. Convenient way of deflecting blame onto others without having to specifically name anybody.

And again because it's D1. Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. (Unless it's JaggedJimmyJay's heist game and speedchuck and I are scummates )

Sloonei

And I remain thus far unconvinced by other cases.

This doesn't particularly alarm me coming from MP. He does not hide his emotions in games and isn't afraid to get swept up in momentum or impulsive voting. He'll follow voters if he feels like they're onto something, and then changes his mind a thousand times and feels bad if he's wrong.
What is your experience playing with him?

Don't have any strong recollections. Idk if we've ever played together in a real game. (Realms/Syndicate crossover doesn't count since I was killed n1)

[Jackofhearts2005]

MP and Golden have kinda run together for me this game. I probably shouldn’t post that.

[Tangrowth]

[mention]Marmot[/mention], what's your beef? I see you atmentioned me and voted for me, but I'm not sure why. I don't really have time to talk about it with you right now though, unfortunately, so just let me know if there's anything I can address and I'll be happy to ASAP.

[Sloonei]

Jack what do u think of the assertion that Sloonei is part of the Hellenic Chorus

Assertion by whom?

I’ve seen nothing that suggests that. Haven’t checked Mac’s case to see if that would jive.

@Sloonei

How do you play neutral? Say objectives like survivor, side chooser, or any objective that requires you to survive long enough to do a thing.

I don't know. It's been ages since I drew a neutral role. I'd probably hang back a bit more than I normally do.

I do not want this to be taken as me hinting that my strategy has been to deliberately hang back in this game. It has not been. I just haven't been here for most of the action in this game and as a result am drowning in unread posts and phantom suspicions against me.

[Tangrowth]

And Mac if you’d been here I would have joined you in pushing the thread in another direction. I regret that MP had to leave just when he did. I was trying to catch up and never fully engaged with him in real time, that could have lead to better results.

Ugh, I just have to respond to this. I feel like a giant egghead for the sig mislynch. I officially can't read the guy, and I should have trusted my earlier self that was townreading him, because I got caught up in the moment and really thought he was the best option we had available. It was pretty difficult to develop any counterwagon at the time, but I regret my actions; I should have just stuck with Luna or went somewhere else I guess.

Ew.

[VOTE: M+7] aubergine

Explain.

You're apologizing and distancing from a D1 civ lynch. It was D1, the odds were always that it would be a civ. That's how the game works. Why would you feel guilty about that?

I'm not distancing. At all. That's the opposite of what I'm doing; I take full responsibility for my sig vote. Of course I regret it. Why wouldn't I feel guilty about mislynching a fellow townie?

"I voted him, but only because I didn't believe in myself" (paraphrased) - aka you let yourself get pushed into a Sig vote by the thread. Convenient way of deflecting blame onto others without having to specifically name anybody.

And again because it's D1. Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. (Unless it's @JaggedJimmyJay's heist game and @speedchuck and I are scummates )

That's not what I said; stop misrepresenting me. I regretted I didn't go with another option; inherent in that is that I'm taking full responsibility.

[Sloonei]

I responded to Mac's case here and no one bothered to look at it.

This is a bold-faced lie; I talked about it at least once, pretty sure I mentioned it twice or more.

Well then link me to these posts because I sure as hell did not see them.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I responded to Mac's case here and no one bothered to look at it.

This is a bold-faced lie; I talked about it at least once, pretty sure I mentioned it twice or more.

Does that mean Sloonei = bad?

[colonialbob]

The sloonbeard train feels like GoC redux to me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

Yeah, that was meant to be an abstract question, not fishing

[Jackofhearts2005]

The sloonbeard train feels like GoC redux to me.

[Tangrowth]

I responded to Mac's case here and no one bothered to look at it.

This is a bold-faced lie; I talked about it at least once, pretty sure I mentioned it twice or more.

Well then link me to these posts because I sure as hell did not see them.

here
and
here

[Sloonei]

The sloonbeard train feels like GoC redux to me.

Yes. Yes it does.

[colonialbob]

Ugh, I just have to respond to this. I feel like a giant egghead for the sig mislynch. I officially can't read the guy, and I should have trusted my earlier self that was townreading him, because I got caught up in the moment and really thought he was the best option we had available. It was pretty difficult to develop any counterwagon at the time, but I regret my actions; I should have just stuck with Luna or went somewhere else I guess.

Ew.

[VOTE: M+7] aubergine

Explain.

You're apologizing and distancing from a D1 civ lynch. It was D1, the odds were always that it would be a civ. That's how the game works. Why would you feel guilty about that?

I'm not distancing. At all. That's the opposite of what I'm doing; I take full responsibility for my sig vote. Of course I regret it. Why wouldn't I feel guilty about mislynching a fellow townie?

"I voted him, but only because I didn't believe in myself" (paraphrased) - aka you let yourself get pushed into a Sig vote by the thread. Convenient way of deflecting blame onto others without having to specifically name anybody.

And again because it's D1. Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. (Unless it's JaggedJimmyJay's heist game and speedchuck and I are scummates )

That's not what I said; stop misrepresenting me. I regretted I didn't go with another option; inherent in that is that I'm taking full responsibility.

"Caught up in the moment"
"Best option we had available"
"Difficult to develop any counterwagon"

Those are the specific phases that stuck out to me

[Tangrowth]

All references to GoC are going to need to be explained (except for the Cerberus thing, I got that) because I have no idea what they are.

[Tangrowth]

Ew.

[VOTE: M+7] aubergine

Explain.

You're apologizing and distancing from a D1 civ lynch. It was D1, the odds were always that it would be a civ. That's how the game works. Why would you feel guilty about that?

I'm not distancing. At all. That's the opposite of what I'm doing; I take full responsibility for my sig vote. Of course I regret it. Why wouldn't I feel guilty about mislynching a fellow townie?

"I voted him, but only because I didn't believe in myself" (paraphrased) - aka you let yourself get pushed into a Sig vote by the thread. Convenient way of deflecting blame onto others without having to specifically name anybody.

And again because it's D1. Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. (Unless it's JaggedJimmyJay's heist game and speedchuck and I are scummates )

That's not what I said; stop misrepresenting me. I regretted I didn't go with another option; inherent in that is that I'm taking full responsibility.

"Caught up in the moment"
"Best option we had available"
"Difficult to develop any counterwagon"

Those are the specific phases that stuck out to me

What's your point? Those are all evident from my post history if you read my thoughts in real time during EoD D1.

[Sloonei]

The sloonbeard train feels like GoC redux to me.

I kept saying things like "Hey sorry I'm not on the ball" and "I'm not fully invested in this game" and everyone piled votes on me while Baddie Kyle skated on by.

[colonialbob]

The sloonbeard train feels like GoC redux to me.

In GoC, Sloonei caught a lot of heat and end up mislynched because his activity level was lower than normal.

(Thankfully it was his first life so he lived to endgame still)

[Tangrowth]

Sloonei, it's one thing to be busy, it's another to fail to hunt. What are your reads? I can't recall any of them (and that may be my fault and not yours, but here we are).

[Jackofhearts2005]

So you’re saying I should vote for Kyle.

[colonialbob]

Explain.

You're apologizing and distancing from a D1 civ lynch. It was D1, the odds were always that it would be a civ. That's how the game works. Why would you feel guilty about that?

I'm not distancing. At all. That's the opposite of what I'm doing; I take full responsibility for my sig vote. Of course I regret it. Why wouldn't I feel guilty about mislynching a fellow townie?

"I voted him, but only because I didn't believe in myself" (paraphrased) - aka you let yourself get pushed into a Sig vote by the thread. Convenient way of deflecting blame onto others without having to specifically name anybody.

And again because it's D1. Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. (Unless it's JaggedJimmyJay's heist game and speedchuck and I are scummates )

That's not what I said; stop misrepresenting me. I regretted I didn't go with another option; inherent in that is that I'm taking full responsibility.

"Caught up in the moment"
"Best option we had available"
"Difficult to develop any counterwagon"

Those are the specific phases that stuck out to me

What's your point? Those are all evident from my post history if you read my thoughts in real time during EoD D1.

Haven't done that yet. I replaced in beginning of d2 without having read anything, made a conscious decision to not reread the entire thread. Did a few ISOs, haven't done yours yet. Was busy last night and today. Will ISO you before EoD.

[Tangrowth]

cbob, it's cool. I forgot you even replaced there for a second, my bad. Anyway, feel free to voice your beefs with me and I'll try my best to address any burning questions you have. Unfortunately, it'll have to be mostly in like 72 hours because I'm going to need to go into lurk mode (at least for my standards) until then as much as I hate to.

[Tangrowth]

Okay, I hate to come in and run, but I really need to restrict myself from the site for a while so I can log in some unholy hours this weekend. RL is way more pressing than this right now. Sorry. I'll be pretty much a ghost until Monday or Tuesday; it is what it is.

I'm voting Colin I suppose, only because: (1) I'd most prefer LC (still a strong scum read despite my doubts) but he has only one vote so my vote is meaningless there; (2) it doesn't really matter to me one way or the other at this moment (I think both wagons are equally sensible, which is to say they're "moderate" scum reads); (3) Sloonei at least is in here right now trying, Colin has vanished completely; (4) I trust more players on the Colin wagon than the Sloonei wagon (except for Golden, sorry Golden). It would have been nice to do some actual digging into other players than the two probably most destined for lynch today (Colin and Sloonei), but time is a bitch.

[VOTE: COLINISCOOL] aubergine

[Sloonei]

Oh, I see Sloonei responded. I'll have to mull over this, but the first thing I noticed is the use of strong language in it, which I think is atypical for Sloonei. I've seen Sloonei curse less than most of the players on this site.

I swear when people bring bogus accusations against me because that shit's annoying.

As far as Sloonei, I have had my own feelings of Sloonei playing a timid and calculated game since the latter half of Day 1 or so, but I wasn't really sure so I was reserving any strong opinion of him for the time being; Mac's case illustrates some pretty compelling points. Further, I feel like Sloonei's response to the case was very uncharacteristic, and it makes the fact that he dropped some over-the-top language in there seem a bit forced and insincere. I also feel like town Sloonei would be working harder to identify scum instead of defend himself, and I'm not seeing that either.

I refer you to the above statement for my strong language. It may also be relevant that I've had an unusually aggravating week at work, and my response to Mac came on the heels of a particularly bad day. I might have just been grumpy.

This may also be a factor in my lower-than-usual participation. I've been busy, and when I've not been busy I've been stressed out. It's not conducive to a productive mafia game from me. Factor in that this is one of the busiest game threads I've seen in a long time and I'm very far out of the loop in this game right now. I agree with you that I could be doing more to hunt bad guys. I've allowed myself to get overwhelmed by the votes against me because they aggravate me and I'm starting to think there's something legit to the curse of me playing in Jay games. I've literally been mislynched in every one of his games that I've played in and it doesn't seem to matter what I do. The only other time I've been mislynched on the Syndicate was a couple weeks ago in the GoC, and that barely even counted because I didn't actually die.

Now having said all of this, I can't promise any improved gameplay for a while. I work tonight, then I'm going away for the weekend and will be on a mountain for most of the day tomorrow #marmoting, then back to a busy work week after that. I'll contribute what I can, but I'm not going to be able to be Supertown Sloonei until around Day 4 or 5, and that's only if you guys don't get rid of me earlier than that.

[Marmot]

All references to GoC are going to need to be explained (except for the Cerberus thing, I got that) because I have no idea what they are.

You could just delete it so that no one can talk about.

That was mean. I'll show myself out.

[Kylemii]

So you’re saying I should vote for Kyle.

he's saying you should vote for GoC kyle, which is valid

[Kylemii]

Jack what do u think of the assertion that Sloonei is part of the Hellenic Chorus

Assertion by whom?

I’ve seen nothing that suggests that. Haven’t checked Mac’s case to see if that would jive.

I believe it was either Mac or wolbre or some combination of the two

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, it's one thing to be busy, it's another to fail to hunt. What are your reads? I can't recall any of them (and that may be my fault and not yours, but here we are).

My reads haven't really developed beyond the early Day 1 stage. I've felt good about you, dunya, and mac for a while. Marmot seems a bit more focused early on than I'm accustomed to, which I like. Golden is a player I've struggled with but I'm leaning town on him, though I've probably only read about 20% of his content in this game. This is the most active I've ever seen Dom in a game and on the strength of that alone, I like him.

Colin is the closest thing I have to a real suspect, and now my vote is locked on him if I want to survive anyway. I might look at lunalee next, but she's an easy target. Jack and Turnip Head both seem to be playing extremely loose and I'm not sure what to make of that.

That's all I've really got in the way of defined reads at the moment. Everything else is a big blur of uncertainty.

I need to leave soon as well.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

Buddy me if you want to live.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei

Buddy me if you want to live.

Hey jack wanna climb a mountain tomorrow?

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine so that Sloonei doesn't have to buddy Jack.

[Marmot]

@Sloonei

Buddy me if you want to live.

Hey jack wanna climb a mountain tomorrow?

Noooooooo! Buddy me Sloonei!

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sloonei

Buddy me if you want to live.

Hey jack wanna climb a mountain tomorrow?

Yes?

[Turnip Head]

Jack and Turnip Head both seem to be playing extremely loose and I'm not sure what to make of that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack and Turnip Head both seem to be playing extremely loose and I'm not sure what to make of that.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei

Buddy me if you want to live.

Hey jack wanna climb a mountain tomorrow?

Noooooooo! Buddy me Sloonei!

All Syndicats are welcome.

I uh will pretty much be in Dom's backyard, I think.

[Sloonei]

Jack and Turnip Head both seem to be playing extremely loose and I'm not sure what to make of that.

Noted.

[speedchuck]

Are you sure you guys don't think sloonei is 3P? Cause you're acting like it.

[Marmot]

Jack and Turnip Head both seem to be playing extremely loose and I'm not sure what to make of that.

Noted.

Love this whole interaction right here.

[Marmot]

Are you sure you guys don't think sloonei is 3P? Cause you're acting like it.

Who are you talking to?

[Sloonei]

Are you sure you guys don't think sloonei is 3P? Cause you're acting like it.

What do you think I am?

[speedchuck]

Are you sure you guys don't think sloonei is 3P? Cause you're acting like it.

Who are you talking to?

Everyone buddying Sloonei

[Dom]

Has Colin even posted today?

linki: kay.

Twice.

I fully subscribe to the idea that Sloonei is Indy with wolbre, for the record.

On one hand, I don't think he's the ideal lynch target for that, and on the other hand, the realistic expectation that he'll join the baddies says to lynch him.

I hope that all the Sloonei voters are coming from a similar perspective.

I am not making a claim of any alignment here, but why would hou assume that an indie sloonei is going to side with the Persians?

If you don't join them, they will kill you for not joining them... which is why you will join them.

Will the baddies get confirmation either way?

Sloonei, it's one thing to be busy, it's another to fail to hunt. What are your reads? I can't recall any of them (and that may be my fault and not yours, but here we are).

My reads haven't really developed beyond the early Day 1 stage. I've felt good about you, dunya, and mac for a while. Marmot seems a bit more focused early on than I'm accustomed to, which I like. Golden is a player I've struggled with but I'm leaning town on him, though I've probably only read about 20% of his content in this game. This is the most active I've ever seen Dom in a game and on the strength of that alone, I like him.

Colin is the closest thing I have to a real suspect, and now my vote is locked on him if I want to survive anyway. I might look at lunalee next, but she's an easy target. Jack and Turnip Head both seem to be playing extremely loose and I'm not sure what to make of that.

That's all I've really got in the way of defined reads at the moment. Everything else is a big blur of uncertainty.

I need to leave soon as well.

Dom used to play every game like this and then he did a very stupid thing and became a teacher.

@Sloonei

Buddy me if you want to live.

Hey jack wanna climb a mountain tomorrow?

Noooooooo! Buddy me Sloonei!

All Syndicats are welcome.

I uh will pretty much be in Dom's backyard, I think.

where? Monadnock?

[speedchuck]

Are you sure you guys don't think sloonei is 3P? Cause you're acting like it.

What do you think I am?

A man under pressure.

. . .

You're going to make me read your response to Mac, aren't you? I only skimmed it.

[Marmot]

Are you sure you guys don't think sloonei is 3P? Cause you're acting like it.

Who are you talking to?

Everyone buddying Sloonei

I do think he's 3P though.

[speedchuck]

I think Sloonei is town.