Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Golden]

Spicy read:

Mac, gun to your head who are the remaining 3 scum
I'm going to apologize in advance as I work 12 hour shifts Friday nights and Saturday nights starting at 11 pm - so I'm going to be few and far between. (I'll send the pay stubs screenshots if you want proof :P )

Lunalee, Sloonei, Long Con

Mac was right and they killed him for it

He was just following my lead on that. Why not kill me for it?

[wolbre04]

Spicy read:

Mac, gun to your head who are the remaining 3 scum
I'm going to apologize in advance as I work 12 hour shifts Friday nights and Saturday nights starting at 11 pm - so I'm going to be few and far between. (I'll send the pay stubs screenshots if you want proof :P )

Lunalee, Sloonei, Long Con

Mac was right and they killed him for it

He was just following my lead on that. Why not kill me for it?

Maybe he was more threatening to them?
or maybe you're somehow scum jk

[MacDougall]

Do I ascend to godhood?

[Kylemii]

[mention]wolbre04[/mention] why are percules and thenisotcles two different greens :\

[Golden]

Or maybe they still think they can paint me as bad and Mac was beyond reproach

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[Kylemii]

Lunalee @Sl[mention]Sloonei[/mention[mention]Sloonei[/mention] [mention]ong Con[/mention]

[Kylemii]

fucking christ

[Kylemii]

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] [mention]Long Con[/mention] con [mention]Sloonei[/mention]

who are each of you looking at today

[wolbre04]

Do I ascend to godhood?

[Epignosis]

Do I ascend to godhood?

"Ascend?"

[Golden]

I'm with Epi. Godhood is a step down from Machood.

[Lunalee]

Spoiler: show

We have received word of a prophecy of the pythia from the Oracle at Delphi.

Choutas is clouding his eyes with a focus on principles only
Dougall looks great and he should be a beacon for rational thinkers
Listen to words from the gods who say Golden and Empee are townies
Speedchuck is trustworthy, Luna and Kyle we can safely rely on
Persians amongst us, but sloonei was lynched and we cheered to the heavens

I can't believe my luck, guys. I was literally just town confirmed by an oracle.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Slighted by the oracle. Not a word.

[Sloonei]

I have been out enjoying nature all day and doing my best kyle impression. Now I have an NBA game 7 to watch. I want to do some interactive reads with Mr IsCool when I can. I feel personal contempt for this oracle.

[novaselinenever]

I have been out enjoying nature all day and doing my best kyle impression. Now I have an NBA game 7 to watch. I want to do some interactive reads with Mr IsCool when I can. I feel personal contempt for this oracle.

Your odd vote on him early D1 comes to mind.

[Sloonei]

I have been out enjoying nature all day and doing my best kyle impression. Now I have an NBA game 7 to watch. I want to do some interactive reads with Mr IsCool when I can. I feel personal contempt for this oracle.

Your odd vote on him early D1 comes to mind.

I feel good about it now.

[wolbre04]

I have been out enjoying nature all day and doing my best kyle impression. Now I have an NBA game 7 to watch. I want to do some interactive reads with Mr IsCool when I can. I feel personal contempt for this oracle.

I wish I could say the same but my Timberwolves crapped the bed against the Rockets

[Golden]

I have been out enjoying nature all day and doing my best kyle impression. Now I have an NBA game 7 to watch. I want to do some interactive reads with Mr IsCool when I can. I feel personal contempt for this oracle.

I wish I could say the same but my Timberwolves crapped the bed against the Rockets

i wish I could say the same but my team needed to bench Carmelo crapthony.

[Sloonei]

I have been out enjoying nature all day and doing my best kyle impression. Now I have an NBA game 7 to watch. I want to do some interactive reads with Mr IsCool when I can. I feel personal contempt for this oracle.

I wish I could say the same but my Timberwolves crapped the bed against the Rockets

i wish I could say the same but my team needed to bench Carmelo crapthony.

The finish to that game was painful to watch, and I was rooting for Utah.

[Golden]

Sloonei, I can be convinced you aren't bad, but what I really hope to see from you today are gut reads on everyone - not based on reading the whole thread or anything, I just want to know where your head is at. So far you've spent your whole time in a defensive mode that I don't particularly think looks good on you (for instance, calling out your voters as having given you nothing to defend against). Don't defend. Hunt.

Interactive analyses such as you have time for would be great.

[Turnip Head]

Fucken lame

[Sloonei]

I should get to interactive reads tomorrow morning/afternoon. It’ll be nice to have an entry point into scum hunting. I can understand being suspected given how little of that I’ve offered here.

[colonialbob]

Spoiler: show

We have received word of a prophecy of the pythia from the Oracle at Delphi.

Choutas is clouding his eyes with a focus on principles only
Dougall looks great and he should be a beacon for rational thinkers
Listen to words from the gods who say Golden and Empee are townies
Speedchuck is trustworthy, Luna and Kyle we can safely rely on
Persians amongst us, but sloonei was lynched and we cheered to the heavens

I can't believe my luck, guys. I was literally just town confirmed by an oracle.

[Long Con]

Spoiler: show

We have received word of a prophecy of the pythia from the Oracle at Delphi.

Choutas is clouding his eyes with a focus on principles only
Dougall looks great and he should be a beacon for rational thinkers
Listen to words from the gods who say Golden and Empee are townies
Speedchuck is trustworthy, Luna and Kyle we can safely rely on
Persians amongst us, but sloonei was lynched and we cheered to the heavens

I can't believe my luck, guys. I was literally just town confirmed by an oracle.

[Kylemii]

I have been out enjoying nature all day and doing my best kyle impression. Now I have an NBA game 7 to watch. I want to do some interactive reads with Mr IsCool when I can. I feel personal contempt for this oracle.

i demand to hear your Kyle impression

[Kylemii]

come to think of it, where did the Oracle of Delphi thing come from? that's not a role

[novaselinenever]

Spoiler: show

We have received word of a prophecy of the pythia from the Oracle at Delphi.

Choutas is clouding his eyes with a focus on principles only
Dougall looks great and he should be a beacon for rational thinkers
Listen to words from the gods who say Golden and Empee are townies
Speedchuck is trustworthy, Luna and Kyle we can safely rely on
Persians amongst us, but sloonei was lynched and we cheered to the heavens

I can't believe my luck, guys. I was literally just town confirmed by an oracle.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

[novaselinenever]

come to think of it, where did the Oracle of Delphi thing come from? that's not a role

What do you mean ? I don't follow.

[Long Con]

LC, I don't believe you even once implied I was bad until a throw away comment yesterday

Spoiler: show

For someone to think I’m bad in this game they have to believe...

You turn out bad and you'll never be able to say this phrase again. I'll be watching.

This is a meaningless threat.

I don't know where you see a threat in that statement. I even did a friendly grin, not something like or . Civ Golden would have absolutely no reason in the universe to interpret this statement as a threat. Implication obvious.

Dom, no offence, but I’m not going to spend any time justifying a shitty snap decision and I’ll give you the same advice you gave Luna.

Scrolled up from this a bit and didn't see Dom's Luna advice. Annoying. I don't like this kind of roundabout talk; you'll look more Civvie to me if you speak plainly.

The thing about sig is, I'm not voting for him. The thing about Epi is, I can't read him for shit, but I'm not going to throw a vote at him for a possible mislynch, or more likely, a wasted vote when he decides he doesn't feel like being lynched and makes you all vote somewhere else.

Hey LC, do you have any notable reads other than dunya? And what specifically in her post history is what led you to not believe her; like, if you were trying to convince me that she's bad news, what would should I consider then?

Nothing that big. I was getting suspicious of Golden there, and I can't decide if I should let it go...

Theories

1) Baddies include one or both of dunya and wolbre
2) Baddies want us to lynch one of dunya and wolbre
3) Baddies saw Epi's performance in GoC and are intimidated by him generally
4) Baddies just want to screw with us
5) Baddies don't know what is up

Anyone want to rank these theories?

I don't really want to rank them, that seems like pointless busy work to me. 6) Golden killed Epi and wants to control the narrative that ensues

This stuff about spinning negativity and a straw man. It’s not there. It wasn’t there when LV said it but at least that was a no u.

Wrong, blind, or bad. Not sure which.

and now after building a case on speedchuck I'm bad? If you've been thinking I'm bad why all this 'hubris', 'you can't read me' talk?

Yeah, that's right. I think it makes you look bad. I don't know if you're bad or not. Any comment like that that I, or anyone, makes carries the unspoken disclaimer that is doesn't apply if you're bad. Obviously.

I was laying the foundation of an epi/speed team - as a joke, because they were apparently 'caught' as a team in GoC on day 1 by DharmaHelper who was completely wrong. A joke I actually completed.

Oh... okay.

It isn't lazy to put a vote on someone for low activity because time and time again (the GoC being the most recent example), baddies tend to end up amongst the more quiet posters rather than the other way around.

That would indicate that the practice is sound. It would not indicate that it's not lazy.

So many of your post by post conclusions on speedchuck are 'this looks civ' that I cannot help but see someone who is trying to force a conclusion into an iso rather than come to one.

If you can't help thinking that, then it sounds like you are employing a unnecessarily limited point of view yourself. I wasn't trying to force anything, I was just giving my opinions as I had them.

Lastly, I haven't revisited that question yet in any meaningful way but that doesn't mean I won't. Nothing has happened to shift my opinion yet, but it's something I've made a note of.

Oh... okay.

[Golden]

Wow, that is a laundry list of really not taking a stand on me in that spoiler there. People should check it out!

[Long Con]

Whatever. You said I never implied you were bad. I proved that to be totally untrue. Nice try of changing the subject, instead of being a man and saying "you are right."

[Kylemii]

come to think of it, where did the Oracle of Delphi thing come from? that's not a role

What do you mean ? I don't follow.

this thing

Spoiler: show

We have received word of a prophecy of the pythia from the Oracle at Delphi.

Choutas is clouding his eyes with a focus on principles only
Dougall looks great and he should be a beacon for rational thinkers
Listen to words from the gods who say Golden and Empee are townies
Speedchuck is trustworthy, Luna and Kyle we can safely rely on
Persians amongst us, but sloonei was lynched and we cheered to the heavens

[Long Con]

come to think of it, where did the Oracle of Delphi thing come from? that's not a role

What do you mean ? I don't follow.

this thing

Spoiler: show

We have received word of a prophecy of the pythia from the Oracle at Delphi.

Choutas is clouding his eyes with a focus on principles only
Dougall looks great and he should be a beacon for rational thinkers
Listen to words from the gods who say Golden and Empee are townies
Speedchuck is trustworthy, Luna and Kyle we can safely rely on
Persians amongst us, but sloonei was lynched and we cheered to the heavens

Do you think it could be some sort of trick? I'd like to think so.

[Kylemii]

come to think of it, where did the Oracle of Delphi thing come from? that's not a role

What do you mean ? I don't follow.

this thing

Spoiler: show

We have received word of a prophecy of the pythia from the Oracle at Delphi.

Choutas is clouding his eyes with a focus on principles only
Dougall looks great and he should be a beacon for rational thinkers
Listen to words from the gods who say Golden and Empee are townies
Speedchuck is trustworthy, Luna and Kyle we can safely rely on
Persians amongst us, but sloonei was lynched and we cheered to the heavens

Do you think it could be some sort of trick? I'd like to think so.

what would be the end goal of this were it to be a trick

[Kylemii]

i mean i guess i get where you're coming from, it could be a trick, i haven't read every role super close though maybe it's just something obvious.

it's like.... it's cool when milk gets delivered to your doorstep but it's much nicer when you know what kind of animal it came from

[Golden]

Whatever. You said I never implied you were bad. I proved that to be totally untrue. Nice try of changing the subject, instead of being a man and saying "you are right."

You are right. I did use the word implied. And implied is certainly as far as any of those posts get. And not even implied I am bad, but just that there was some kind of outside shot I could be bad, like a man waving a teabag over a cup of boiling water and claiming he's made a cup of tea.

[Long Con]

come to think of it, where did the Oracle of Delphi thing come from? that's not a role

What do you mean ? I don't follow.

this thing

Spoiler: show

We have received word of a prophecy of the pythia from the Oracle at Delphi.

Choutas is clouding his eyes with a focus on principles only
Dougall looks great and he should be a beacon for rational thinkers
Listen to words from the gods who say Golden and Empee are townies
Speedchuck is trustworthy, Luna and Kyle we can safely rely on
Persians amongst us, but sloonei was lynched and we cheered to the heavens

Do you think it could be some sort of trick? I'd like to think so.

what would be the end goal of this were it to be a trick

Well, imagine a baddie created it and intended to use the Oracle's assurances to draw more numerous townreads from the Civs.

[Long Con]

Whatever. You said I never implied you were bad. I proved that to be totally untrue. Nice try of changing the subject, instead of being a man and saying "you are right."

You are right. I did use the word implied. And implied is certainly as far as any of those posts get. And not even implied I am bad, but just that there was some kind of outside shot I could be bad, like a man waving a teabag over a cup of boiling water and claiming he's made a cup of tea.

... or like a guy playing Mafia trying to figure out who's bad. Either analogy works, just yours has this unpalatable bias.

[Kylemii]

Pythia
Image

During each night phase of the game, the Pythia may utter a prophecy which will be posted publicly by the host after the following night phase. It takes time for messages to travel across the peninsula. You may also submit a prophecy on Day 0 to be posted at the start of Day 2. The prophecy must be written in dactylic | hexameter (or as close as you can reasonably get) to be posted publicly. The Pythia may not infodump or reveal his or her identity.

nevermind i am a fool

[Golden]

LC, I did a scroll through your iso in Bullets Over Broadway today, in which you were bad, just to see what I thought. I get a similar vibe, but that vibe is at it's greatest with that set of spoilered posts.

And no, I don't accept the hubris posts have something 'unspoken' in them. I think a civilian who thought I was bad wouldn't write those posts. They're an emotional appeal. A civilian who had any genuine designs on me as bad (which you, in that list, are claiming you are), wouldn't feel the need to talk about my hubris at all. They'd be talking about my sincerity instead.

The other thing interesting in your Bullets Over Broadway iso was that you spent so much of your time annoyed that people weren't giving you a read against you that you could defend against. A fair chunk of your behaviour resembled Sloonei's conduct yesterday.

[Golden]

Whatever. You said I never implied you were bad. I proved that to be totally untrue. Nice try of changing the subject, instead of being a man and saying "you are right."

You are right. I did use the word implied. And implied is certainly as far as any of those posts get. And not even implied I am bad, but just that there was some kind of outside shot I could be bad, like a man waving a teabag over a cup of boiling water and claiming he's made a cup of tea.

... or like a guy playing Mafia trying to figure out who's bad. Either analogy works, just yours has this unpalatable bias.

Yes, any time anyone suspects you it's 'bias'. MP was biased, I'm biased, we write things specifically negatively to set you up. It's a shame you have to deal with all this bias.

[Long Con]

Pythia
Image

During each night phase of the game, the Pythia may utter a prophecy which will be posted publicly by the host after the following night phase. It takes time for messages to travel across the peninsula. You may also submit a prophecy on Day 0 to be posted at the start of Day 2. The prophecy must be written in dactylic | hexameter (or as close as you can reasonably get) to be posted publicly. The Pythia may not infodump or reveal his or her identity.

nevermind i am a fool

And I... still haven't read the roles so I just trusted you on this one.

[Turnip Head]

Two words: Choutas. Choo-choo.

[novaselinenever]

Pythia
Image

During each night phase of the game, the Pythia may utter a prophecy which will be posted publicly by the host after the following night phase. It takes time for messages to travel across the peninsula. You may also submit a prophecy on Day 0 to be posted at the start of Day 2. The prophecy must be written in dactylic | hexameter (or as close as you can reasonably get) to be posted publicly. The Pythia may not infodump or reveal his or her identity.

nevermind i am a fool

lol, I was confused af. The role is fully explained in the OP.

[novaselinenever]

Two words: Choutas. Choo-choo.

What is up with him ?

[Long Con]

LC, I did a scroll through your iso in Bullets Over Broadway today, in which you were bad, just to see what I thought. I get a similar vibe, but that vibe is at it's greatest with that set of spoilered posts.

Here's the thing. What you're "vibing" is How Long Con Plays Mafia. If you believe you have some memories where you felt like you "had me", you got lucky that I was bad. You will suspect me for the same behaviour whether I am good or bad. Please just re-read this after I'm dead so that I don't have to be a big dick and quote it. Let me know that you did. I want to know you understand.

And no, I don't accept the hubris posts have something 'unspoken' in them. I think a civilian who thought I was bad wouldn't write those posts. They're an emotional appeal. A civilian who had any genuine designs on me as bad (which you, in that list, are claiming you are), wouldn't feel the need to talk about my hubris at all. They'd be talking about my sincerity instead.

Wrong. Baddies are that sure. Civvies are not.

The other thing interesting in your Bullets Over Broadway iso was that you spent so much of your time annoyed that people weren't giving you a read against you that you could defend against. A fair chunk of your behaviour resembled Sloonei's conduct yesterday.

That is actually interesting.

[Golden]

People should read Long Con's iso.

He doesn't like the Colin push, he's on Epi for a Sloonei vote, his interactions with sloonei are worth a close look generally actually.

He just dismisses the sig and epi suspicion with a wave of his hand and stays out of it.

And in particular his 'straw man' attack on MP reads very strongly like a Colin defence at this point.

[Golden]

What you're "vibing" is How Long Con Plays Mafia.

I've read you as town correctly plenty of times. I've read you as indy. You know these things. That this is your narrative is incredibly false.

[Golden]

People should read Long Con's iso.

He doesn't like the Colin push, he's on Epi for a Sloonei vote, his interactions with sloonei are worth a close look generally actually.

He just dismisses the sig and epi suspicion with a wave of his hand and stays out of it.

And in particular his 'straw man' attack on MP reads very strongly like a Colin defence at this point. Check it

EBWOP

[Long Con]

What you're "vibing" is How Long Con Plays Mafia.

I've read you as town correctly plenty of times. I've read you as indy. You know these things. That this is your narrative is incredibly false.

Don't tell me what I know. I don't remember what happened in past Mafia games.