Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Turnip Head]

[mention]Golden[/mention] [mention]Long Con[/mention] Conlden stop fighting and help me lynch somebody please

[Long Con]

People should read Long Con's iso.

He doesn't like the Colin push, he's on Epi for a Sloonei vote, his interactions with sloonei are worth a close look generally actually.

He just dismisses the sig and epi suspicion with a wave of his hand and stays out of it.

And in particular his 'straw man' attack on MP reads very strongly like a Colin defence at this point.

Yeah, I was a big Colin defender. It's funny, when I knew he was going to be lynched, I was like... if he turns up Civ I'll look bad like I *knew* he was Civ, and if he's bad then I'll look bad like I was a teammate defending him. Why don't you do some of your famous research and find out how much I defend my teammates when bad.

[Long Con]

@Golden @Long Con Conlden stop fighting and help me lynch somebody please

What, I get a shipping name with Golden after a few posts? Where's my Epi ship?

[Golden]

Please just re-read this after I'm dead so that I don't have to be a big dick and quote it.

I want you to understand something.

I don't care if I'm wrong. I'm here to catch baddies the best way I can. If you want to be a dick and quote this after the game is over, do it. It won't change anything about how I read you next time. If you are town, I'll just be wrong.

You want to turn this into something where I can't read you for shit and LC - you know that's not true. I told you to go away and prove I read you wrong more often than not and you said you wouldn't and the reason you won't isn't because it's a lot of work, it's because I'm telling the truth. ASOUE. Night Vale. I could probably run down a list if I had time, but the reason I don't feel the need to is because I know I'm telling the truth.

[Golden]

What you're "vibing" is How Long Con Plays Mafia.

I've read you as town correctly plenty of times. I've read you as indy. You know these things. That this is your narrative is incredibly false.

Don't tell me what I know. I don't remember what happened in past Mafia games.

Tell that to past Long Con:

You're wrong about me way more than you are right, and this one's just going to carve another notch in that pole.

[Golden]

@Golden @Long Con Conlden stop fighting and help me lynch somebody please

Why don't you help me lynch someone instead?

[Turnip Head]

@Golden @Long Con Conlden stop fighting and help me lynch somebody please

What, I get a shipping name with Golden after a few posts? Where's my Epi ship?

Just like the man himself, your Epi ship is dead in the water.

[Long Con]

What you're "vibing" is How Long Con Plays Mafia.

I've read you as town correctly plenty of times. I've read you as indy. You know these things. That this is your narrative is incredibly false.

Don't tell me what I know. I don't remember what happened in past Mafia games.

Tell that to past Long Con:

You're wrong about me way more than you are right, and this one's just going to carve another notch in that pole.

Yeah, he was talking out of his ass. He didn't know that for sure by any stretch.

[Turnip Head]

@Golden @Long Con Conlden stop fighting and help me lynch somebody please

Why don't you help me lynch someone instead?

My way sounds more fun.

[Golden]

Well he sure started the narrative about my accuracy rate. I didn't. I read you better than I read others, but I'll never pretend I'm 100% on anyone.

His ass-talking was discrediting.

[Long Con]

Well he sure started the narrative about my accuracy rate. I didn't. I read you better than I read others, but I'll never pretend I'm 100% on anyone.

His ass-talking was discrediting.

You need some discrediting. It would increase the chances of a Civ win. Accuracy is actually secondary.

[Golden]

Well he sure started the narrative about my accuracy rate. I didn't. I read you better than I read others, but I'll never pretend I'm 100% on anyone.

His ass-talking was discrediting.

You need some discrediting. It would increase the chances of a Civ win. Accuracy is actually secondary.

Sure, because who was first to call out Colin for the reason that got him lynched? That's the guy you think needs discrediting?

This really is a 'survival first, town second' mindset. If I'm wrong about you, set about demonstrating it, not taking me down for it. If you're both town and paying proper attention I don't buy that you believe I'd have drawn a whole lot of attention on day one; made a leap from epi to sig after Colin's Luna vote because of Colin's behaviour; been the first to call Colin out; consistently call Colin bad all day until he was lynched - and be his Persian teammate.

[Golden]

Both you and sloonei are making strong tone-based pushes for why you aren't bad, but both of your isos look bad. I prefer judging your content to judging your tone in this case, because your tone... is a tone that could genuinely be NAI. Your content looks bad.

[Turnip Head]

LC stahp you're gonna get lawyered. Tap out!

[Golden]

LC stahp you're gonna get lawyered. Tap out!

TH will tap in for you.

[Long Con]

You don't like my playstyle. I get it. It's not my baddie playstyle, it's just my playstyle. I really don't know how to make you see that, you want it to be true that I'm bad, so you're going to convince yourself it's true.

That's me treating you as a Civ. If you're bad, then keep going at it, I'm always a low-hanging fruit.

[Golden]

You don't like my playstyle. I get it.

[Golden]

Your playstyle is pretty much my favourite there is. That you reduce it to that is galling.

[Turnip Head]

Okay I'm bored.

[Golden]

I prefer judging your content to judging your tone in this case, because your tone... is a tone that could genuinely be NAI. Your content looks bad.

You don't like my playstyle. I get it. It's not my baddie playstyle, it's just my playstyle. I really don't know how to make you see that, you want it to be true that I'm bad, so you're going to convince yourself it's true.

This is where we're at.

I said tone is NAI. That's playstyle.

LC wants this to be about playstyle. He has all along. I'm asking people to ignore playstyle and look at content. And that's what I'll continue to ask.

[Turnip Head]

But LC's tone is what makes me think hes good.

[Long Con]

Your playstyle is pretty much my favourite there is. That you reduce it to that is galling.

I have no idea why you'd say that. I don't even know what my playstyle is, so how is it your favourite? The only favourite thing I have ever felt my playstyle inspired was a favourite mislynch target, because I play it loose, I don't have an eidetic memory, I jump to conclusions based on very little, and I only truly engage when I'm talking about me. My playstyle sucks.

[Long Con]

I prefer judging your content to judging your tone in this case, because your tone... is a tone that could genuinely be NAI. Your content looks bad.

You don't like my playstyle. I get it. It's not my baddie playstyle, it's just my playstyle. I really don't know how to make you see that, you want it to be true that I'm bad, so you're going to convince yourself it's true.

This is where we're at.

I said tone is NAI. That's playstyle.

LC wants this to be about playstyle. He has all along. I'm asking people to ignore playstyle and look at content. And that's what I'll continue to ask.

Don't put that all on me. Dom's been fist-pumping over comparisons to the GOC game where I was bad, so don't tell me that I'm the only one talking playstyle. And I don't think that playstyle and content are separate entities at all, so your attempt to put them in different boxes doesn't lead to a realistic assessment. You are literally telling us that you're ignoring half the story.

[Golden]

But LC's tone is what makes me think hes good.

I can tell.

Your playstyle is pretty much my favourite there is. That you reduce it to that is galling.

I have no idea why you'd say that. I don't even know what my playstyle is, so how is it your favourite? The only favourite thing I have ever felt my playstyle inspired was a favourite mislynch target, because I play it loose, I don't have an eidetic memory, I jump to conclusions based on very little, and I only truly engage when I'm talking about me. My playstyle sucks.

Just a minute ago you were certain your playstyle was unreadable and the same good or bad and this is just 'how you play', now you don't even know what it is (by the way, I think the latter take is more correct).

Your posts are fun to read, basically always. God knows mine aren't. I'd choose you to sign up and play with me every time.

[Turnip Head]

Yeah but his content doesn't really bother me either. I dont mind that he defended Colin tbh

[Golden]

I prefer judging your content to judging your tone in this case, because your tone... is a tone that could genuinely be NAI. Your content looks bad.

You don't like my playstyle. I get it. It's not my baddie playstyle, it's just my playstyle. I really don't know how to make you see that, you want it to be true that I'm bad, so you're going to convince yourself it's true.

This is where we're at.

I said tone is NAI. That's playstyle.

LC wants this to be about playstyle. He has all along. I'm asking people to ignore playstyle and look at content. And that's what I'll continue to ask.

Don't put that all on me. Dom's been fist-pumping over comparisons to the GOC game where I was bad, so don't tell me that I'm the only one talking playstyle. And I don't think that playstyle and content are separate entities at all, so your attempt to put them in different boxes doesn't lead to a realistic assessment. You are literally telling us that you're ignoring half the story.

And I have said you would have completely fooled me in GoC and completely disagree with Dom that the two games 'look' alike. I'm not dom.

Actually putting them in separate boxes does lead to a realistic story. The more boxes the better. Imagine something like this:



I'm looking for the things that are different, not the things that are the same, depending on whether you're bad or good.

I'm not so analytical as to actually be able to split things up into those boxes, but I do look for people to 'look civ' on all points.

[Golden]

Yeah but his content doesn't really bother me either. I dont mind that he defended Colin tbh

I'm not here to force you to agree with me. I'm going to vote today for whoever I think the best option is. It might be LC or it might not. But certainly I'm more likely to be swayed that LC is good by points on content than just a general vibe.

eg, speedchuck made a good point in LC's favour that I haven't forgotten.

[Turnip Head]

Wow tyvm golden. The charts are an excellent palate cleanser. Love the color scheme too. Easily digestible for the masses

[Golden]

Wow tyvm golden. The charts are an excellent palate cleanser. Love the color scheme too. Easily digestible for the masses

Meeting all your graphics needs.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Golden @Long Con Conlden stop fighting and help me lynch somebody please

What, I get a shipping name with Golden after a few posts? Where's my Epi ship?

Just like the man himself, your Epi ship is dead in the water.

I mostly ship Epi with Eloh but I’m a bit of a traditionalist.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I did my own analysis.



Pretty sure LC is town based on this.

[Golden]

I did my own analysis.



Pretty sure LC is town based on this.

Six named lines. Seven ticks. Obviously scumbuddies

[Turnip Head]

Le meta

[Turnip Head]

More charts less smarts

[Golden]

More charts less smarts

More slogans less bogans

[Quin]

i have some spare time someone tell me what to post about

[Quin]

golden did you respond to my post where i shit all over your long con read evolution?

[Golden]

golden did you respond to my post where i shit all over your long con read evolution?

Yep but you won’t like it.

[Quin]

golden did you respond to my post where i shit all over your long con read evolution?

Yep but you won’t like it.

"discredited"

you really know how to rustle my jimmies

[Kylemii]

i have some spare time someone tell me what to post about

who is your favorite member of the Cullen vampire clan? Mine's Anna Kendrick

[Kylemii]

i don't want to lynch LC today

[Choutas]

Let's lynch Kylemii, Dunya and Sloonei.

[Lunalee]

Sloonei, I can be convinced you aren't bad, but what I really hope to see from you today are gut reads on everyone - not based on reading the whole thread or anything, I just want to know where your head is at. So far you've spent your whole time in a defensive mode that I don't particularly think looks good on you (for instance, calling out your voters as having given you nothing to defend against). Don't defend. Hunt.

Interactive analyses such as you have time for would be great.

Choutas is clouding his eyes with a focus on principles only
Dougall looks great and he should be a beacon for rational thinkers
Listen to words from the gods who say Golden and Empee are townies
Speedchuck is trustworthy, Luna and Kyle we can safely rely on
Persians amongst us, but sloonei was lynched and we cheered to the heavens

What about this convinces you that Sloonei is not bad? I'm putting my vote on him today.
[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

[colonialbob]

Sloonei, I can be convinced you aren't bad, but what I really hope to see from you today are gut reads on everyone - not based on reading the whole thread or anything, I just want to know where your head is at. So far you've spent your whole time in a defensive mode that I don't particularly think looks good on you (for instance, calling out your voters as having given you nothing to defend against). Don't defend. Hunt.

Interactive analyses such as you have time for would be great.

Choutas is clouding his eyes with a focus on principles only
Dougall looks great and he should be a beacon for rational thinkers
Listen to words from the gods who say Golden and Empee are townies
Speedchuck is trustworthy, Luna and Kyle we can safely rely on
Persians amongst us, but sloonei was lynched and we cheered to the heavens

What about this convinces you that Sloonei is not bad? I'm putting my vote on him today.
[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Why are you treating the Oracle like it's definitive rather than just a player's opinions?

[Long Con]

I'd like to see a game where an Oracle-type role is listed in the Civs but is secretly bad... see how many people rely on the Oracle's wise words. Not saying that's happening here, I just think it would be a fun exercise.

Team IDGAF:

Turnip Head
Kylemii
Quin
JackofHearts

[Long Con]

I prefer judging your content to judging your tone in this case, because your tone... is a tone that could genuinely be NAI. Your content looks bad.

You don't like my playstyle. I get it. It's not my baddie playstyle, it's just my playstyle. I really don't know how to make you see that, you want it to be true that I'm bad, so you're going to convince yourself it's true.

This is where we're at.

I said tone is NAI. That's playstyle.

LC wants this to be about playstyle. He has all along. I'm asking people to ignore playstyle and look at content. And that's what I'll continue to ask.

Don't put that all on me. Dom's been fist-pumping over comparisons to the GOC game where I was bad, so don't tell me that I'm the only one talking playstyle. And I don't think that playstyle and content are separate entities at all, so your attempt to put them in different boxes doesn't lead to a realistic assessment. You are literally telling us that you're ignoring half the story.

And I have said you would have completely fooled me in GoC and completely disagree with Dom that the two games 'look' alike. I'm not dom.

Actually putting them in separate boxes does lead to a realistic story. The more boxes the better. Imagine something like this:



I'm looking for the things that are different, not the things that are the same, depending on whether you're bad or good.

I'm not so analytical as to actually be able to split things up into those boxes, but I do look for people to 'look civ' on all points.

This is good. I feel like we're in uncharted territory here. Er...

[Jackofhearts2005]

i have some spare time someone tell me what to post about

who is your favorite member of the Cullen vampire clan? Mine's Anna Kendrick

Mine’s Bella.

[Long Con]

But LC's tone is what makes me think hes good.

I can tell.

Your playstyle is pretty much my favourite there is. That you reduce it to that is galling.

I have no idea why you'd say that. I don't even know what my playstyle is, so how is it your favourite? The only favourite thing I have ever felt my playstyle inspired was a favourite mislynch target, because I play it loose, I don't have an eidetic memory, I jump to conclusions based on very little, and I only truly engage when I'm talking about me. My playstyle sucks.

Just a minute ago you were certain your playstyle was unreadable and the same good or bad and this is just 'how you play', now you don't even know what it is (by the way, I think the latter take is more correct).

Your posts are fun to read, basically always. God knows mine aren't. I'd choose you to sign up and play with me every time.

That is very kind to say. I get the impression that hard work, skilled play, and experienced analysis are what the people value and love, and thus the heroes of the day are always Golden, Sloonei, JJJ, and others (I'll stop listing names early because the more people I leave out, the better). That kind of stuff makes it nearly impossible to lynch you guys. I'm easy to lynch; all I usually have are spur-of-the-moment pleas, shined up as nice as I can make them.

I don't think I contradicted myself: my playstyle is unreadable - and the same good or bad - because I don't even know what it is. Because I just play what I see and play what I think. I don't even know what I'm going to do next most of the time... something suspicious catches my eye and I'm, like, "Gotcha!" The truth probably is that I'm the worst one to discuss my own playstyle or meta... I'm the only one that can't see the colour of my own eyes. I'm in me, hard to see me from here.

[Turnip Head]

i have some spare time someone tell me what to post about

who is your favorite member of the Cullen vampire clan? Mine's Anna Kendrick

Mine’s Bella.

Mine's Fat Amy

[Turnip Head]

Team IDGAF:

Turnip Head
Kylemii
Quin
JackofHearts

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