Hogwarts Mafia - END

[speedchuck]

speedchuck's reaction to being red checked doesn't look great to me. Total, immediate rationality as he displayed is hard to believe. I'd expect at least some brief period of combat to stem from a false red check.

+1. Like he's calmly like "ah yep must've been a redirect" and then turning around and acting like his info thing with Quin/whomever is infallible.

I've already died once. I don't know what you guys expect from me here. If I had reacted with vitriol, you'd have been all over me. It would have been a waste of time when I could be solving the game.

On the contrary, you should check out my 3p/scum reaction when things go badly. Mountain Mafia? MK Mafia? Or you can look at GoC, where this exact game scenario (me defending Long Con after a slip and then getting pseudo-scumfirmed despite being town) came up.

[speedchuck]

Hey yall remember that time LC saved Owner and then defended her a bunch and also said Sloonei townslipped lol good times amirite.

We can only lynch one person at a time DH, but believe you me, I got bad desires.

The main reason I was townreading Owner was her lack of self-preservation.

Long Con saved her. Good feeling gone.

[speedchuck]

speedchuck's reaction to being red checked doesn't look great to me. Total, immediate rationality as he displayed is hard to believe. I'd expect at least some brief period of combat to stem from a false red check.

Agreed. Dumbish comparison but it reminds me of One Hour Werewolf where Speed knew he’d been found out and started maneuvering around it.

Oh I didn't think of that game. That's pretty fair actually. My poker face is pretty fantastic.

As town or scum.

[speedchuck]

I totally agree with Jay's statement about speed's reaction to a red check. I think most people would be reacting with more emotion.

Cop checks I get. Can't be helped, fate is sealed, no reason to get all hot. But this line of reasoning is stupid.

[Lunalee]

Long Con's mentions of Bullzeye (a.k.a Speedchuck 2.0)

When Timmer and Bullzeye get put on the table for suspicious things, Long Con throws shade at timmer, but excuses Bullzeye:

Spoiler: show

Okay, so reading owner's iso, I'd say he really and oddly blindered onto DH very early, and for what seems like entirely prev-game reasons. This allows him to talk a lot about suspicions towards sh, but without having to defend anything he says because, hey, is based on last game. And when pressed about it, he just versions of iunno I just feel it...

This can be a baddie move, but it can also just be blindering which ive done in the past. Those who know owner well, do you get any kind of alignment read from this angle?

Don't really have time to catch up before the lynch, but I can see from the Who Posted list that Nova still hasn't checked in so I will vote there today.

[VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine

These are my least favorite posts in the thread, for unrelated reasons.

Timmer’s is a typical hedge, complete with all of adverbs and the disclaimer to render the product a cringe.

Bullzeye’s vote is just ugly under the circumstances. Evasion of prevailing discussions in favor of a whatever vote on a no-show is a bad look.

The timmer thing is pretty hedgey... complete with the "I'm seeking greater understanding" at the end.

I really can't blame bullzeye for going for a non-poster because we lost Mega Man because of absent players (no it totally wasn't because I was fooling around it was absent players)... I think your analysis of "ugly under the circumstances" is excessive. Why were these circumstances particularly ugly-inducing? It's not the greatest reason for a Day 1 vote, but it's not totally unusual.

Although there were some bullzeye suspicions earlier that I didn't disagree with. I forget what they were right now, but that's because I'm having some drinks.

Then when called out on what Bullz did actually being scummy, goes "LOL, okay"

Spoiler: show

Don't really have time to catch up before the lynch, but I can see from the Who Posted list that Nova still hasn't checked in so I will vote there today.

[VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine

Major scum afraid of being the decisive vote vibes here.

LOL and I think this is the thing that I agreed with before. Gotta stop Mafia-ing drunk. Maybe Morgan Freeman is too influential on me.

Long Con "Would rather Bullzeye come in and defend himself before Long Con says any more about it." Which MacDougal challanges:

Spoiler: show

That said, I kind of suspect Colin and Mac for jumping on it.

Maybe I'll just shut up and wait for bullzeye to respond.

How come for though?

It's about jumping on an action that could easily be innocuous Civ Day 1 "I didn't pay enough attention". It's real easy to put a negative spin on it, so it's the kind of thing that's common for baddies to jump on.

Yeah but it's more common for non baddies to jump on it

Checkmate

Eeeeeeeeenhh... I'd really rather hear from Morgan Freeman about this...

Decides "Bullzeye is off the table" in favor of lynching me.

Spoiler: show

I'm working today, soon, until too close to the lynch. There are a few cases I'd like to reread, the Soneji one looks all right, but it didn't blow my skirt up on the first read. I think Bullzeye is off the table now with a strong vote of confidence from Timmer. Is that something folks agree with? He said 'no cop' but who really knows, that's just what a cop would say. :hahah:

I'm going to leave my vote on Lunalee for now, although I could put it on kara if it came down to it. I'll try to be here before it comes down to it, to ensure I have my vote on a player that is relevant come lynch end. Maybe even get another crack at a Deathly Hallows, who knows?

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

Suddenly feels good about timmer, because timmer is vouching for Bullzeye:

Spoiler: show

I don't understand anything about Bullzeye. What can you tell me?

Nobody has disputed the suggestion that he vigged Nova.

I don't remember this. Who said it?

I also missed this.

My readthrough of Timmer's ISO left me feeling good about him. The most notable thing is the vouching for bullzeye, I think. I see some examples of this Hitler thing being tossed around, and that's a new one on me. Interested to see if it pans out.

To me, Long Con's mentions of Bullzeye (a.k.a. Speedchuck) look like they could be teammates.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

I just don’t think LC goes “Yeah, I saved Owner, who is my scum partner.” It reads like buddying.

[speedchuck]

Jay - town because he doesn't bus teammates in the same way he did INH
nutella - town because tone and meta and everything else basically
DH - Town because he is
Mac - Pisses me off. Town because tone. Mafia because upset with vig kills and promoting bogus theories. Waffles.
poutanko - Town because she is sweet and innocent and has good scum interactions and because no scum would fake a cop check right now right?
Quin - Possible liar, unless he was misdirected. Townread otherwise.
Colin - Town because cop check and I've been reading him town all game. Cares about the roof.
kara - Town because genuine emotion in early posts
Jack - Weakest townread for me, but seems genuine
Luna - Town because she's made way more mistakes than she does as scum
Sloonei - Was only town because lack of self-preservation. Long Con flip changes that. Fake, scum, blegh
sprityo - No reason to townread whatsoever
timmer - Still town yo
speed - No corruption, Rigged witch hunt (seriously vig me tonight so you can use my analysis and info)
INH - Scum

Guessing that there are at most 6 scum. Long Con, INH, Nova, Sloonei, and two of (Mac, Quin, Sprit)

Game solved.

I will quote this post before the end of each phase so it is relevant when I die.

This is why I don't care that much about the cop check. I'm on the verge of my first civilian win in ages. I contributed. I can use my death to catch scum by townfirming my viewpoint and my night info. Heck, I already got nightkilled by the mafia on night one, which is a badge of honor to be worn.

That said, just because I don't care about the cop check doesn't mean Mac and whoever posits that I'm too calm to be mafia aren't going to piss me off. What was I supposed to do, rant and scream at my computer when I saw the check? Call Poutanko scum even though that doesn't make any sense? My wife was in the next room, and I'm pretty sure that would be BTSC.

[speedchuck]

[mention]poutanko[/mention] What did you check night 3?

[speedchuck]

@JaggedJimmyJay

I just don’t think LC goes “Yeah, I saved Owner, who is my scum partner.” It reads like buddying.

Can you quote the LC post where he said that? Or are you referring to the action?

[Jackofhearts2005]

@JaggedJimmyJay

I just don’t think LC goes “Yeah, I saved Owner, who is my scum partner.” It reads like buddying.

Can you quote the LC post where he said that? Or are you referring to the action?

I’m refering to a specific post where Jimmy at mentioned me on the previous page.

[Jackofhearts2005]

But yeah, where he comes out and says it.

[speedchuck]

@JaggedJimmyJay

I just don’t think LC goes “Yeah, I saved Owner, who is my scum partner.” It reads like buddying.

Can you quote the LC post where he said that? Or are you referring to the action?

I’m refering to a specific post where Jimmy at mentioned me on the previous page.

[speedchuck]

Check this out

In this game, I went from "town-firm" to "scum-firm" due to a role flip. This is the page on which it happened. My reaction was pretty calm, all things considered.
Amusingly, I was being suspected for defending scum LC until death at the time. I need to stop doing that.

[poutanko]

@poutanko What did you check night 3?

Jay, got no result and obliviated.

If someone know whoever targeted me last night that person might be scum.

I didn't come out of nowhere today for no reason to whoever making a snarky remark about it
Also, the correct priority should still be INH > Speed > Slowner to whoever want to put Slowner as 2nd wagon

[poutanko]

Jay - town because he doesn't bus teammates in the same way he did INH
nutella - town because tone and meta and everything else basically
DH - Town because he is
Mac - Pisses me off. Town because tone. Mafia because upset with vig kills and promoting bogus theories. Waffles.
poutanko - Town because she is sweet and innocent and has good scum interactions and because no scum would fake a cop check right now right?
Quin - Possible liar, unless he was misdirected. Townread otherwise.
Colin - Town because cop check and I've been reading him town all game. Cares about the roof.
kara - Town because genuine emotion in early posts
Jack - Weakest townread for me, but seems genuine
Luna - Town because she's made way more mistakes than she does as scum
Sloonei - Was only town because lack of self-preservation. Long Con flip changes that. Fake, scum, blegh
sprityo - No reason to townread whatsoever
timmer - Still town yo
speed - No corruption, Rigged witch hunt (seriously vig me tonight so you can use my analysis and info)
INH - Scum

Guessing that there are at most 6 scum. Long Con, INH, Nova, Sloonei, and two of (Mac, Quin, Sprit)

Game solved.

I will quote this post before the end of each phase so it is relevant when I die.

This is why I don't care that much about the cop check. I'm on the verge of my first civilian win in ages. I contributed. I can use my death to catch scum by townfirming my viewpoint and my night info. Heck, I already got nightkilled by the mafia on night one, which is a badge of honor to be worn.

That said, just because I don't care about the cop check doesn't mean Mac and whoever posits that I'm too calm to be mafia aren't going to piss me off. What was I supposed to do, rant and scream at my computer when I saw the check? Call Poutanko scum even though that doesn't make any sense? My wife was in the next room, and I'm pretty sure that would be BTSC.

So many townread here

[speedchuck]

Jay - town because he doesn't bus teammates in the same way he did INH
nutella - town because tone and meta and everything else basically
DH - Town because he is
Mac - Pisses me off. Town because tone. Mafia because upset with vig kills and promoting bogus theories. Waffles.
poutanko - Town because she is sweet and innocent and has good scum interactions and because no scum would fake a cop check right now right?
Quin - Possible liar, unless he was misdirected. Townread otherwise.
Colin - Town because cop check and I've been reading him town all game. Cares about the roof.
kara - Town because genuine emotion in early posts
Jack - Weakest townread for me, but seems genuine
Luna - Town because she's made way more mistakes than she does as scum
Sloonei - Was only town because lack of self-preservation. Long Con flip changes that. Fake, scum, blegh
sprityo - No reason to townread whatsoever
timmer - Still town yo
speed - No corruption, Rigged witch hunt (seriously vig me tonight so you can use my analysis and info)
INH - Scum

Guessing that there are at most 6 scum. Long Con, INH, Nova, Sloonei, and two of (Mac, Quin, Sprit)

Game solved.

I will quote this post before the end of each phase so it is relevant when I die.

This is why I don't care that much about the cop check. I'm on the verge of my first civilian win in ages. I contributed. I can use my death to catch scum by townfirming my viewpoint and my night info. Heck, I already got nightkilled by the mafia on night one, which is a badge of honor to be worn.

That said, just because I don't care about the cop check doesn't mean Mac and whoever posits that I'm too calm to be mafia aren't going to piss me off. What was I supposed to do, rant and scream at my computer when I saw the check? Call Poutanko scum even though that doesn't make any sense? My wife was in the next room, and I'm pretty sure that would be BTSC.

So many townread here

Process of elimination, yo. I'm not just reading, I'm game-solving.

[poutanko]

Alright

[speedchuck]

In the interest of sharing information, knowing full well that it makes me look worse:

I watched JJJ night one. Long Con visited. No idea why.
There was no night 2 action from Bullz.
Night three I saw Quin and ??? visit Long Con. ??? is probably the vig. Quin is a liar or was redirected.

[Jackofhearts2005]

fyi INH could have been resurrected with the resurrection stone. If scum got possession of it then it effectively became a throwaway item they'd want to use straight away, since it's no use to them as all roles flip. No fuckery there.

Unless he was resurrected by town in which case admit yourself to St. Mungo's ASAP.

Resurrection stone doesn’t pure rez in the lore and this is the first rez.

We can assume the rez is a one shot or has some sort of major drawback. Otherwise, why didn’t scum rez previously? Even if they just got it, why didn’t town rez previously?

[speedchuck]

fyi INH could have been resurrected with the resurrection stone. If scum got possession of it then it effectively became a throwaway item they'd want to use straight away, since it's no use to them as all roles flip. No fuckery there.

Unless he was resurrected by town in which case admit yourself to St. Mungo's ASAP.

Resurrection stone doesn’t pure rez in the lore and this is the first rez.

We can assume the rez is a one shot or has some sort of major drawback. Otherwise, why didn’t scum rez previously? Even if they just got it, why didn’t town rez previously?

Why would scum rez Nova, though?

I'm betting it was a one-shot pheonix thing.

[Jackofhearts2005]

fyi INH could have been resurrected with the resurrection stone. If scum got possession of it then it effectively became a throwaway item they'd want to use straight away, since it's no use to them as all roles flip. No fuckery there.

Unless he was resurrected by town in which case admit yourself to St. Mungo's ASAP.

Didn't the rezz say Phoenix?

Maybe derp. Deathly hallows still awesome.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why did you watch the people that you watched, [mention]speedchuck[/mention]?

[Jackofhearts2005]

fyi INH could have been resurrected with the resurrection stone. If scum got possession of it then it effectively became a throwaway item they'd want to use straight away, since it's no use to them as all roles flip. No fuckery there.

Unless he was resurrected by town in which case admit yourself to St. Mungo's ASAP.

Resurrection stone doesn’t pure rez in the lore and this is the first rez.

We can assume the rez is a one shot or has some sort of major drawback. Otherwise, why didn’t scum rez previously? Even if they just got it, why didn’t town rez previously?

Why would scum rez Nova, though?

I'm betting it was a one-shot pheonix thing.

Same reason they’d rez INH. Wastes a day or a vig shot.

[speedchuck]

Why did you watch the people that you watched, speedchuck?

Bullz watched you. I can't ask him why. Possibly because town Jay is a possible N1 mafia target. And technically you were! Not that I know what was done.

I watched Long Con because I knew something would happen there, and I could possibly get townfirms or scumfirms out of it. Vigs, protections, etc. It worked, sorta. Quin threw a wrench into things.

[speedchuck]

Why would scum rez Nova, though?

I'm betting it was a one-shot pheonix thing.

Same reason they’d rez INH. Wastes a day or a vig shot.

That's a good point. Not like Nova needs to be active to waste town's time. But yeah, it was a pheonix in the flavortext.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Updated list of players and story log.

[poutanko]

I watched Long Con because I knew something would happen there, and I could possibly get townfirms or scumfirms out of it. Vigs, protections, etc. It worked, sorta. Quin threw a wrench into things.

Isn't it the same if you choose to watch Timmer instead?

[speedchuck]

I watched Long Con because I knew something would happen there, and I could possibly get townfirms or scumfirms out of it. Vigs, protections, etc. It worked, sorta. Quin threw a wrench into things.

Isn't it the same if you choose to watch Timmer instead?

Watching people means you see who visits them. If I wanted to see where Timmer would go, I'd track him. (if I even had that ability)

And then I still wouldn't see if mafia tried to protect Long Con.

[Lunalee]

poutanko - Town because she is sweet and innocent and has good scum interactions and because no scum would fake a cop check right now right?

I have a theory that people's avatars affect other's views of their posts. Maybe I should change mine to a cute animal and see what happens

[poutanko]

I watched Long Con because I knew something would happen there, and I could possibly get townfirms or scumfirms out of it. Vigs, protections, etc. It worked, sorta. Quin threw a wrench into things.

Isn't it the same if you choose to watch Timmer instead?

Watching people means you see who visits them. If I wanted to see where Timmer would go, I'd track him. (if I even had that ability)

And then I still wouldn't see if mafia tried to protect Long Con.

Watching Timmer might give you:
>those who kill/block/redirect him - scums
>those who protect him - town

Watching Long Con might give you:
>town vig
>fellow scum trying to protect him

Isn't it better to watch Timmer instead of LC?

[speedchuck]

Watching Timmer might give you:
>those who kill/block/redirect him - scums
>those who protect him - town

Watching Long Con might give you:
>town vig
>fellow scum trying to protect him

Isn't it better to watch Timmer instead of LC?

Well, I was hoping to only get one of the two, and have an actual firm. Instead Timmer didn't visit and I got Quin and ??? with some kind of screwed up nonsense.

Maybe Timmer was another good option in theory. But then again, scum probably killed Epi last night, so I'm pretty glad I went for the target that actually died. I don't regret that decision.

What's your point?

[poutanko]

Watching Timmer might give you:
>those who kill/block/redirect him - scums
>those who protect him - town

Watching Long Con might give you:
>town vig
>fellow scum trying to protect him

Isn't it better to watch Timmer instead of LC?

Well, I was hoping to only get one of the two, and have an actual firm. Instead Timmer didn't visit and I got Quin and ??? with some kind of screwed up nonsense.

Maybe Timmer was another good option in theory. But then again, scum probably killed Epi last night, so I'm pretty glad I went for the target that actually died. I don't regret that decision.

What's your point?

I don't think you care about timmer. I think you're scum trying to find out if there's another vig and town RBer.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@ whoever rezzed INH

I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. And you're fucking nuts.

Might not have been on purpose.

[Crucio]: This spell will torture a student, roleblocking them for a night and forcing them to reveal what spells they know.

[Imperio]: This spell will take control of a student’s actions. Any abilities they use will be redirected to a target of the user’s choice. The student being controlled cannot be forced to self-target. This ability can only be used once in the game on each player.

It’s one thing to rez a scumbuddy and waste the town’s time. Meaner to force a townie to burn their one shot rez one a wolf.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Not sure if crying birds count as spells.

[speedchuck]

I don't think you care about timmer. I think you're scum trying to find out if there's another vig and town RBer.

You're wrong, and I don't care what you think about my alignment. I already have a cop check on my head. I'm going to be lynched or vigged, and I'm going to flip town. There's no point in scumhunting me at this point, because my fate is sealed either way.

When I flip town, I want my findings to be used to win the game.

Regardless, I did watch Long Con to try and catch the Vig. I believed that was my best option, because I had no idea who the mafia would target with the nightkill.
"Of course they would target the vig, speed."
Why not the cop? Huh? Or whatever Epi was?

I made the right choice. I got some information. When I die, you had better pay attention to it.

[speedchuck]

Why is everyone assuming that scum couldn't have a rez ability? It's a Hogwarts Ability. Not a Town-only ability.

I mean, I wouldn't give scum a rez ability unless the abilities were randomly assigned.

[poutanko]

I don't think you care about timmer. I think you're scum trying to find out if there's another vig and town RBer.

You're wrong, and I don't care what you think about my alignment. I already have a cop check on my head. I'm going to be lynched or vigged, and I'm going to flip town. There's no point in scumhunting me at this point, because my fate is sealed either way.

When I flip town, I want my findings to be used to win the game.

Regardless, I did watch Long Con to try and catch the Vig. I believed that was my best option, because I had no idea who the mafia would target with the nightkill.
"Of course they would target the vig, speed."
Why not the cop? Huh? Or whatever Epi was?

I made the right choice. I got some information. When I die, you had better pay attention to it.

What made you think maf won't do anything to Timmer other than trying to kill him? They might still block or redirect him.

[nutella]

speedchuck's reaction to being red checked doesn't look great to me. Total, immediate rationality as he displayed is hard to believe. I'd expect at least some brief period of combat to stem from a false red check.

+1. Like he's calmly like "ah yep must've been a redirect" and then turning around and acting like his info thing with Quin/whomever is infallible.

I've already died once. I don't know what you guys expect from me here. If I had reacted with vitriol, you'd have been all over me. It would have been a waste of time when I could be solving the game.

On the contrary, you should check out my 3p/scum reaction when things go badly. Mountain Mafia? MK Mafia? Or you can look at GoC, where this exact game scenario (me defending Long Con after a slip and then getting pseudo-scumfirmed despite being town) came up.

this really doesn't address my point at all

[speedchuck]

What made you think maf won't do anything to Timmer other than trying to kill him? They might still block or redirect him.

I don't know why you are sitting here criticizing my choice. Really feels like you're attacking my logic rather than my alignment.

There was a town kill night one even though Timmer was roleblocked. The whole vig game and mafia targeting game doesn't revolve around Timmer and those that visit Timmer. Long Con was an immediate interest and priority.

[speedchuck]

speedchuck's reaction to being red checked doesn't look great to me. Total, immediate rationality as he displayed is hard to believe. I'd expect at least some brief period of combat to stem from a false red check.

+1. Like he's calmly like "ah yep must've been a redirect" and then turning around and acting like his info thing with Quin/whomever is infallible.

I've already died once. I don't know what you guys expect from me here. If I had reacted with vitriol, you'd have been all over me. It would have been a waste of time when I could be solving the game.

On the contrary, you should check out my 3p/scum reaction when things go badly. Mountain Mafia? MK Mafia? Or you can look at GoC, where this exact game scenario (me defending Long Con after a slip and then getting pseudo-scumfirmed despite being town) came up.

this really doesn't address my point at all

What is your point, Nutella?

[poutanko]

What made you think maf won't do anything to Timmer other than trying to kill him? They might still block or redirect him.

I don't know why you are sitting here criticizing my choice. Really feels like you're attacking my logic rather than my alignment.

There was a town kill night one even though Timmer was roleblocked. The whole vig game and mafia targeting game doesn't revolve around Timmer and those that visit Timmer. Long Con was an immediate interest and priority.

I'm trying to understand your way of thinking. You don't seem to have any interest to find scums there. If someone block/redirect timmer instead of killing him, you'd still catch them. On the other hand if you're scum, watching LC is a good way to get 2nd vig if there's one and our RBer and why would you watch timmer if you know what will happen. You say I'm just criticizing your choice? Your logic is not town logic.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con and karavalenge

Long Con's stuff

Spoiler: show

I think karavalenge is suspect because her name sounds like a forbidden spell.

We got jokes.

Spoiler: show

Can't we just state we're Town so whoever have the Veritaserum can use it whenever they want to whoever they want without asking their sus about it (so not giving a hint/clue about them having the potion)?

This is obviously a good idea, right? Any objections?

I am town.

No, that's an awful waste of a 1-shot ability to tell the truth, just to get the same info as a regular ability (Divination). But because you've started this, I also have to say

I am a town.

Or else I'd look scum by not following along with it.

Epignosis isn't going to say that. Will that make him look scum to you?

No, I clearly didn't want to say it myself, but felt like I was pressured to. If you don't want to I absolutely will not hold it against you.

I think you applied that pressure to yourself.

The first portion of this exchange shows Long Con kinda sorta picking on the newcomer given that they couldn't have known about Epi's style. Decent look. The last two posts though bear a certain neutrality and calmness that strikes me as awkward.

Spoiler: show

No, that's an awful waste of a 1-shot ability to tell the truth, just to get the same info as a regular ability (Divination).

What else would you use veriseritaum for? I'm not disagreeing, but did you have something in mind?

Use it on Epi's statement to catch two baddies: Epi and Juliets Just an example of how to extend such a power, I guess. I think it would be really hard to beef it up past the 'alignment check' level, but we could try to craft some complex-logic statements that would reveal more.

I'm not on a baddie team with Dharmahalper, Juliets, Epignosis, karavalenge, or speedchuck. There are probably better ways. Still tough to choose just one great statement if we all start lining them up. I think it's more fun to let the lie detector search natural conversation to find their choice.

Long Con extended from Epi's "juliets is not my teammate" thing and built another non-team dynamic shown above. I have colored the players included by their confirmed alignments (DharmaHelper and karavalenge unconfirmed as yellow, and remember that this was speedchuck 1.0). If Long Con crammed a teammate in this pile, there are only two options.

Spoiler: show

Everything with you people is a two-way street

If I don't respond to/with something, it means I'm scum.

If I do respond, it means I'm scum.

karavalenge , is there any evidence that supports your claim here?

Looking at your ISO, this kind of defensive-to-the-point-of-paranoia behaviour shows up a couple of times... and there's not that much else to judge you by.

Long Con gives kara more crap for being defensive. These are easy accusations to hurl and could represent opportunism.

Spoiler: show

<quote snipped>

This really looks like Owner both is scum and has a Deathly Hallow and got mixed up cause it was altogether in their role card.

It's also possible that they're just confused because the ruleset is really confusing.

This post looks like you think Owner is scum (despite the allowance for confusion due to confusing), but when Owner was on the chopping block, you didn't have a vote on her. You didn't vote for anyone, actually.

Would you have voted for Owner?

If Owner turns up scum, then that looks bad on you: to say she really looks like scum, but stop short of casting a clinching vote for an Owner lynch.

If Owner/Sloonei is a mafioso, karavalenge looks like a civilian here. Long Con tried to glue them together.

Spoiler: show

I'm working today, soon, until too close to the lynch. There are a few cases I'd like to reread, the Soneji one looks all right, but it didn't blow my skirt up on the first read. I think Bullzeye is off the table now with a strong vote of confidence from Timmer. Is that something folks agree with? He said 'no cop' but who really knows, that's just what a cop would say. :hahah:

I'm going to leave my vote on Lunalee for now, although I could put it on kara if it came down to it. I'll try to be here before it comes down to it, to ensure I have my vote on a player that is relevant come lynch end. Maybe even get another crack at a Deathly Hallows, who knows?

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

This I like less. Long Con voted Lunalee (after laboriously going over her posts to justify that vote), but felt the need to declare that he could also put it on kara. Meh.

Middle green in the WIFOM rainbow. Deauxnt Curr

karavalenge's stuff

Response to the Owner thing, this doesn't bother me.

Spoiler: show

karavalenge, why Long Con

Cause it was 4-3 Colin to Long at the time and I felt better about lynching Long than Colin. I've switched now.

During the Day 3 EOD sequence kara was present and moving their vote, but not saying much. That vote went to Long Con first and then finished on Glorfindel. Explained here. The rationale cited was essentially that Long Con was more suspicious than Colin when they were the lead wagons. Then, Glorfindel was more suspicious than Long Con when they were the lead wagons at the very end. I would have really preferred to see kara making posts at this point, because one cannot help but be concerned about shady activities with these late vote motions.

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Conclusion

This is probably the most mixed bag so far in the Long Con interactions. The point that speaks loudest to me is LC's effort to associate kara with Owner, but what that means would hinge upon Owner[Sloonei]'s alignment.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What made you think maf won't do anything to Timmer other than trying to kill him? They might still block or redirect him.

I don't know why you are sitting here criticizing my choice. Really feels like you're attacking my logic rather than my alignment.

There was a town kill night one even though Timmer was roleblocked. The whole vig game and mafia targeting game doesn't revolve around Timmer and those that visit Timmer. Long Con was an immediate interest and priority.

I harbor the same suspicion poutanko has voiced. Watching Long Con seems to bear more potential for mafia gains than civilian gains.

[poutanko]

I'm keeping my vote. Good night.

[speedchuck]

I'm trying to understand your way of thinking. You don't seem to have any interest to find scums there. If someone block/redirect timmer instead of killing him, you'd still catch them. On the other hand if you're scum, watching LC is a good way to get 2nd vig if there's one and our RBer and why would you watch timmer if you know what will happen. You say I'm just criticizing your choice? Your logic is not town logic.

There are two ways to solve the game. Your misunderstanding regarding my method matches your misunderstanding of my "rainbow list" earlier.

I am trying to solve the game by POE, or Process of Elimination. That means getting as many townfirms and townreads as possible. As you can see from my earlier list, I basically have narrowed things down.

You are instead looking for scumreads or scumfirms. It's a lot more direct, but if you end up wrong, you have nothing to fall back on.

Different scumhunting philosophies.

[nutella]

speedchuck's reaction to being red checked doesn't look great to me. Total, immediate rationality as he displayed is hard to believe. I'd expect at least some brief period of combat to stem from a false red check.

+1. Like he's calmly like "ah yep must've been a redirect" and then turning around and acting like his info thing with Quin/whomever is infallible.

I've already died once. I don't know what you guys expect from me here. If I had reacted with vitriol, you'd have been all over me. It would have been a waste of time when I could be solving the game.

On the contrary, you should check out my 3p/scum reaction when things go badly. Mountain Mafia? MK Mafia? Or you can look at GoC, where this exact game scenario (me defending Long Con after a slip and then getting pseudo-scumfirmed despite being town) came up.

this really doesn't address my point at all

What is your point, Nutella?

did you even read my post? I don't get why you're so confident that your watch thing could confirm anyone's alignment given that there are clearly lots of redirects in play in this game, which you should be very conscious of if you got false redchecked

[speedchuck]

What made you think maf won't do anything to Timmer other than trying to kill him? They might still block or redirect him.

I don't know why you are sitting here criticizing my choice. Really feels like you're attacking my logic rather than my alignment.

There was a town kill night one even though Timmer was roleblocked. The whole vig game and mafia targeting game doesn't revolve around Timmer and those that visit Timmer. Long Con was an immediate interest and priority.

I harbor the same suspicion poutanko has voiced. Watching Long Con seems to bear more potential for mafia gains than civilian gains.

I'll tell you what I told her then. Shut up and lynch me. If the purpose of this observation is to validate a scumread on me, I don't want to hear it. I have a cop check over my head, and you don't need further justification.

So stop trying to shame me over my town play, which effing worked exactly as I wanted it to.

A quote from Insanity mafia, translated from morse code

i am getting really freaking tired of people, every game, saying i'm either scum or (stupid/inattentive/not trying). i can mark three times this has happened this year. since i'm town every time it happens, it comes off as an insult. i've never been told i was playing stupidly or ignorantly as scum. but here we are again, in the same position, with me being insulted for my crappy town play. maybe i should just replace out each time i roll town. have a 'screw it' meta.

I'm really, REALLY getting tired of this crap. It happens nearly every game. "You wouldn't do this as town because the smarter choice would be to do X, Y, or Z." Screw off. I will scumhunt how I want to scumhunt.

[speedchuck]

speedchuck's reaction to being red checked doesn't look great to me. Total, immediate rationality as he displayed is hard to believe. I'd expect at least some brief period of combat to stem from a false red check.

+1. Like he's calmly like "ah yep must've been a redirect" and then turning around and acting like his info thing with Quin/whomever is infallible.

I've already died once. I don't know what you guys expect from me here. If I had reacted with vitriol, you'd have been all over me. It would have been a waste of time when I could be solving the game.

On the contrary, you should check out my 3p/scum reaction when things go badly. Mountain Mafia? MK Mafia? Or you can look at GoC, where this exact game scenario (me defending Long Con after a slip and then getting pseudo-scumfirmed despite being town) came up.

this really doesn't address my point at all

What is your point, Nutella?

did you even read my post? I don't get why you're so confident that your watch thing could confirm anyone's alignment given that there are clearly lots of redirects in play in this game, which you should be very conscious of if you got false redchecked

I completely missed that in your post. I thought you were saying I was wasting my time dealing with info because I'm scum and nothing I say matters.

I'm a watcher, Nutella. I don't give a crap about redirects. I only see what ended up visiting Long Con. If Quin was redirected to Long Con, so be it. If I was redirected (the only thing that would make my results 'fallible'), it only raises more questions. Questions I'm happy to answer or look at.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con and lapluie/sprityo

Long Con's stuff

Spoiler: show

We have three replacements. Everyone tell me about them.

Sloonei is town. Sprityo and speed2.0 haven't done anything yet. I have a reason to think that speed2.0's player slot is town. I don't have any reason to think sprityo is town.

Sloonei townslipped. Sprityo has said nothing. Speed 2.0 has suspicion of Glorf and nutella, which I think is pretty healthy. I see from his ISO that he is the one who already called out nutella's Player Salad post, and that puts him a little in the green, salad pun intended.

I asked the general population about the replacements, and LC responded. This is a statement of truth and means little.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

This is the one option for which I feel exclusively comfortable.

How's that again? He's said practically nothing. Is this a lapluie suspicion?

When I was trying to off sprityo, LC half-defended him by acknowledging again that he'd said nothing. The follow-up question about lapluie there is goofy since she had also said nothing. There are two easy ways to read into this (LC defended his teammate, der der / LC just wanted to make a post and asking about why I want to destroy a lurker is a very easy post to make). I am inclined to read nothing from this.

Middle green in the WIFOM rainbow. Raise your hand if you care! *hand stays down*

sprityo's stuff

The two of them exchanged some OT green text which I don't care about. Check yourself if you do.

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Conclusion

Unsurprisingly there's close to nothing here. sprityo remains in the POE pool by default.

[nutella]

speedchuck's reaction to being red checked doesn't look great to me. Total, immediate rationality as he displayed is hard to believe. I'd expect at least some brief period of combat to stem from a false red check.

+1. Like he's calmly like "ah yep must've been a redirect" and then turning around and acting like his info thing with Quin/whomever is infallible.

I've already died once. I don't know what you guys expect from me here. If I had reacted with vitriol, you'd have been all over me. It would have been a waste of time when I could be solving the game.

On the contrary, you should check out my 3p/scum reaction when things go badly. Mountain Mafia? MK Mafia? Or you can look at GoC, where this exact game scenario (me defending Long Con after a slip and then getting pseudo-scumfirmed despite being town) came up.

this really doesn't address my point at all

What is your point, Nutella?

did you even read my post? I don't get why you're so confident that your watch thing could confirm anyone's alignment given that there are clearly lots of redirects in play in this game, which you should be very conscious of if you got false redchecked

I completely missed that in your post. I thought you were saying I was wasting my time dealing with info because I'm scum and nothing I say matters.

I'm a watcher, Nutella. I don't give a crap about redirects. I only see what ended up visiting Long Con. If Quin was redirected to Long Con, so be it. If I was redirected (the only thing that would make my results 'fallible'), it only raises more questions. Questions I'm happy to answer or look at.

Are you assuming it's impossible that both quin and the other person were redirected?