Hogwarts Mafia - END

[juliets]

Wait juliets what do you mean you don't remember? DDL should have told you his actions.

DAMN DDL did tell me Glorfs actions and trying to use the Phoenix wasn't one of them.

[Sloonei]

The real winner in all this is DDL.

10 points to Hufflepuff!

(not really)

Nothing good ever happens to Hufflepuff.

[Sloonei]

[SECRETS] perhaps are coming into play here.

[speedchuck]

DAMN DDL did tell me Glorfs actions and trying to use the Phoenix wasn't one of them.

He was probably waiting to use it on a supahtown.

All I'm going to say about that. It happened. I do believe that scum redirected it, and that all makes sense. Let's move on.

[DharmaHelper]

Looks like I got a lot to read?

[juliets]

Looks like I got a lot to read?

Yeah DH and after you do could you explain to me what went on last night with speed and quin? So confused...

[juliets]

Oh also, I voted INH.

[DharmaHelper]

Looks like I got a lot to read?

Yeah DH and after you do could you explain to me what went on last night with speed and quin? So confused...

I can't make heads nor tails.

[Sloonei]

I'm done with my work for the day and we've got 25 minutes to go here. Groovy.

[DharmaHelper]

I'm done with my work for the day and we've got 25 minutes to go here. Groovy.

+24 hours

[Sloonei]

I'm done with my work for the day and we've got 25 minutes to go here. Groovy.

+24 hours

Wow. I'm way lost.

[Sloonei]

it's been a busy two weeks, okay?

[ColinIsCool]

Can someone tag this with the quote feature and say “Pay your bills” please, so I see it when I get home tonight? Whoever does it is town

[Sloonei]

Can someone tag this with the quote feature and say “Pay your bills” please, so I see it when I get home tonight? Whoever does it is town

Ay yo [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention], pay your bills mate

[Sloonei]

Remaining scum are in this pile: INH, Speed, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, sprit. Objections?

My POE is the same, except Luna is swapped for Jack.

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] @jay, how would each of you rank these suspects from least to most suspicious?
@anyone else, do you have any objections to these lists in any way?

[speedchuck]

Let's make another summary:

Quin's claim: Expecto Patronum directed at Timmer and Sloonei. <Patronus> Blocks redirects and other dark arts for Quin, Timmer, Sloonei.

Speed's claim: Quin visited Long Con.

For both claims to be true:
Timmer had to use a diricawl on Long Con. Didn't happen, or I'd have seen it. Timmer also denies it. NOT POSSIBLE.
OR
A redirector had to target (my floo partner), aiming to redirect them at Timmer for some reason. I got caught in it instead. I got directed at Timmer, and saw Quin there with ???. This adds an extra scum night action when we already know they did a lot of things. It also nails my other spotted suspect as scum. NEAR IMPOSSIBLE.

Quin is lying. His story doesn't make sense, he targeted Sloonei for some reason, he only revealed one target at first.

I am almost certain that Quin tried to Patronus Long Con and my other visitor broke through it with the Elder Wand. Surprisingly, it requires the least assumptions.

This is the Quin/speed thing.

If you have questions, [mention]juliets[/mention], you know where to find me

[speedchuck]

Remaining scum are in this pile: INH, Speed, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, sprit. Objections?

My POE is the same, except Luna is swapped for Jack.

@ColinIsCool @jay, how would each of you rank these suspects from least to most suspicious?
@anyone else, do you have any objections to these lists in any way?

JJJ's list is better.

Otherwise, no objections.

[Sloonei]

Remaining scum are in this pile: INH, Speed, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, sprit. Objections?

My POE is the same, except Luna is swapped for Jack.

@ColinIsCool @jay, how would each of you rank these suspects from least to most suspicious?
@anyone else, do you have any objections to these lists in any way?

JJJ's list is better.

Otherwise, no objections.

Why is it better? How would you rank the suspects?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am almost certain that Quin tried to Patronus Long Con and my other visitor broke through it with the Elder Wand. Surprisingly, it requires the least assumptions.

Ironically, if Quin did summon a patronus for Long Con, then timmer really did waste it by declining to pull the trigger last night. So Quin's complaint was valid.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So guys I'll make a longer announcement later but the next night phase will be 3 days long since I'll have MBA classes and won't be able to host stuff during the weekend.

It may be annoying for some but maybe it helps others catch-up so there is that

[JaggedJimmyJay]

jay, how would each of you rank these suspects from least to most suspicious?

Least to most:

karavalenge
Jackofhearts2005
sprityo
Slowner
Quin
speedzeye

INH is redundant. I need to remove one name from my pool to feel comfortable.

[speedchuck]

jay, how would each of you rank these suspects from least to most suspicious?

Least to most:

karavalenge
Jackofhearts2005
sprityo
Slowner
Quin
speedzeye

INH is redundant. I need to remove one name from my pool to feel comfortable.

*volunteers*

[speedchuck]

I am almost certain that Quin tried to Patronus Long Con and my other visitor broke through it with the Elder Wand. Surprisingly, it requires the least assumptions.

Ironically, if Quin did summon a patronus for Long Con, then timmer really did waste it by declining to pull the trigger last night. So Quin's complaint was valid.

Brilliant.

[speedchuck]

Remaining scum are in this pile: INH, Speed, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, sprit. Objections?

My POE is the same, except Luna is swapped for Jack.

@ColinIsCool @jay, how would each of you rank these suspects from least to most suspicious?
@anyone else, do you have any objections to these lists in any way?

JJJ's list is better.

Otherwise, no objections.

Why is it better? How would you rank the suspects?

The only difference is switching out Jack and Luna. Jack is a better suspect than Luna IMO. Not loads better, but better.

Jay - town because he doesn't bus teammates in the same way he did INH
nutella - town because tone and meta and everything else basically
DH - Town because he is
Mac - Pisses me off. Town because tone. Mafia because upset with vig kills and promoting bogus theories. Waffles.
poutanko - Town because she is sweet and innocent and has good scum interactions and because no scum would fake a cop check right now right?
Quin - Possible liar, unless he was misdirected. Townread otherwise.
Colin - Town because cop check and I've been reading him town all game. Cares about the roof.
kara - Town because genuine emotion in early posts
Jack - Weakest townread for me, but seems genuine
Luna - Town because she's made way more mistakes than she does as scum
Sloonei - Was only town because lack of self-preservation. Long Con flip changes that. Fake, scum, blegh
sprityo - No reason to townread whatsoever
timmer - Still town yo
speed - No corruption, Rigged witch hunt (seriously vig me tonight so you can use my analysis and info)
INH - Scum

Guessing that there are at most 6 scum. Long Con, INH, Nova, Sloonei, and two of (Mac, Quin, Sprit)

Game solved.

I beat JJJ to the punch, making POE lists. I'd say right now I suspect Quin more and Sloonei slightly less than I did.

I would still throw Mac on the list, personallt. I'd forgotten about that. Replace me with Mac on JJJ's list.

[DharmaHelper]

Absolute awe that I sniffed out Long Con on a whim. I literally was like "Fuck I gotta do all these read backs lemme start with Long Con, Oh shit this guy is bad lol got em"

[MacDougall]

Speedchuck c'mon. You would never be suspicious of me if you were town.

[speedchuck]

Speedchuck c'mon. You would never be suspicious of me if you were town.

If you were town and I was scum I'd be staying the heck away TBH. You got too much bite for me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Speedchuck c'mon. You would never be suspicious of me if you were town.

If you were town and I was scum I'd be staying the heck away TBH. You got too much bite for me.

You just gotta bite back. Mac loves it when you nibble.

[MacDougall]

Speedchuck c'mon. You would never be suspicious of me if you were town.

If you were town and I was scum I'd be staying the heck away TBH. You got too much bite for me.

Summarise your suspicion of me.

[Sloonei]

jay, how would each of you rank these suspects from least to most suspicious?

Least to most:

karavalenge
Jackofhearts2005
sprityo
Slowner
Quin
speedzeye

INH is redundant. I need to remove one name from my pool to feel comfortable.

What will happen to either of Quin/speed if the other flips scum?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What will happen to either of Quin/speed if the other flips scum?
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speed flipping mafia would bode nicely for Quin, though I'd need to fully review matters before offering up a clearance.

Quin flipping mafia wouldn't do as much for speed, because one cannot just ignore a red check.

[juliets]

Let's make another summary:

Quin's claim: Expecto Patronum directed at Timmer and Sloonei. <Patronus> Blocks redirects and other dark arts for Quin, Timmer, Sloonei.

Speed's claim: Quin visited Long Con.

For both claims to be true:
Timmer had to use a diricawl on Long Con. Didn't happen, or I'd have seen it. Timmer also denies it. NOT POSSIBLE.
OR
A redirector had to target (my floo partner), aiming to redirect them at Timmer for some reason. I got caught in it instead. I got directed at Timmer, and saw Quin there with ???. This adds an extra scum night action when we already know they did a lot of things. It also nails my other spotted suspect as scum. NEAR IMPOSSIBLE.

Quin is lying. His story doesn't make sense, he targeted Sloonei for some reason, he only revealed one target at first.

I am almost certain that Quin tried to Patronus Long Con and my other visitor broke through it with the Elder Wand. Surprisingly, it requires the least assumptions.

This is the Quin/speed thing.

If you have questions, @juliets, you know where to find me

speed could you be more specific about what your floo partner did or are you saying he was a target? And if you are saying your floo partner was the re-director who does he/she say they re-directed? Thats the part I'm confused about. Thank you.

[Sloonei]

Jay - town because he doesn't bus teammates in the same way he did INH
nutella - town because tone and meta and everything else basically
DH - Town because he is
Mac - Pisses me off. Town because tone. Mafia because upset with vig kills and promoting bogus theories. Waffles.
poutanko - Town because she is sweet and innocent and has good scum interactions and because no scum would fake a cop check right now right?
Quin - Possible liar, unless he was misdirected. Townread otherwise.
Colin - Town because cop check and I've been reading him town all game. Cares about the roof.
kara - Town because genuine emotion in early posts
Jack - Weakest townread for me, but seems genuine
Luna - Town because she's made way more mistakes than she does as scum
Sloonei - Was only town because lack of self-preservation. Long Con flip changes that. Fake, scum, blegh
sprityo - No reason to townread whatsoever
timmer - Still town yo
speed - No corruption, Rigged witch hunt (seriously vig me tonight so you can use my analysis and info)
INH - Scum

Why is Sloonei such a strong suspect? Why is Quin so marginal given his apparent contradiction of your night actions? Who would be the most likely partners for Quin if we assume he is a dirty rotten liar? Do you have anything more specific to say about Jack?

[speedchuck]

speed could you be more specific about what your floo partner did or are you saying he was a target? And if you are saying your floo partner was the re-director who does he/she say they re-directed? Thats the part I'm confused about. Thank you.

My floo partner (who can out themselves if they wish) said that they used a diricawl on me night 3.

This doesn't really matter unless we're trying to prove that the mafia targeted me with a redirect. In that case, the mafia would have had to target that other person instead. Then tried to send the other person to timmer for no reason.

Now that we've established that you were redirected, it's likely not important at all.

If you're still confused, look up the Diricawl in the rules.

[speedchuck]

Speedchuck c'mon. You would never be suspicious of me if you were town.

If you were town and I was scum I'd be staying the heck away TBH. You got too much bite for me.

Summarise your suspicion of me.

Your attitude surrounding the night vigs set me off. Felt like you were putting a downer on town, and like you were frustrated with the results.

Otherwise you've seemed town.

[speedchuck]

Jay - town because he doesn't bus teammates in the same way he did INH
nutella - town because tone and meta and everything else basically
DH - Town because he is
Mac - Pisses me off. Town because tone. Mafia because upset with vig kills and promoting bogus theories. Waffles.
poutanko - Town because she is sweet and innocent and has good scum interactions and because no scum would fake a cop check right now right?
Quin - Possible liar, unless he was misdirected. Townread otherwise.
Colin - Town because cop check and I've been reading him town all game. Cares about the roof.
kara - Town because genuine emotion in early posts
Jack - Weakest townread for me, but seems genuine
Luna - Town because she's made way more mistakes than she does as scum
Sloonei - Was only town because lack of self-preservation. Long Con flip changes that. Fake, scum, blegh
sprityo - No reason to townread whatsoever
timmer - Still town yo
speed - No corruption, Rigged witch hunt (seriously vig me tonight so you can use my analysis and info)
INH - Scum

Why is Sloonei such a strong suspect? Why is Quin so marginal given his apparent contradiction of your night actions? Who would be the most likely partners for Quin if we assume he is a dirty rotten liar? Do you have anything more specific to say about Jack?

Owner's suspicions seemed fake back on Day 1. I scumread her, and only ended up switching to a townread because of her unwillingness to save herself from the lynch. Long Con saved her instead, and that puts a damper on my read.

You missed part of my post in your quote there. I suspect Quin more now, you slightly less (but not much less).

My other scumspects. I haven't looked at the interactions yet, but POE enough and you don't have to.

Looking at Jack has been like looking at a wall all game. He's done nothing to ping me, and only his attitude about the game makes me think he's town.

I don't have a whole lot else to say. I don't feel like summarizing my entire game experience that led up to these reads for you, sorry. I don't expect you to read the whole thread.

[juliets]

Remaining scum are in this pile: INH, Speed, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, sprit. Objections?

My POE is the same, except Luna is swapped for Jack.

@ColinIsCool @jay, how would each of you rank these suspects from least to most suspicious?
@anyone else, do you have any objections to these lists in any way?

JJJ's list is better.

Otherwise, no objections.

I'm not convinced on Sloonei and Luna. I can understand why some people suspect Luna. Are people suspecting Sloonei based on LC's vote for Turnip? Or are there other things I'm not remembering?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Are people suspecting Sloonei based on LC's vote for Turnip? Or are there other things I'm not remembering?

Sloonei stuff.

[speedchuck]

I'm not convinced on Sloonei and Luna. I can understand why some people suspect Luna. Are people suspecting Sloonei based on LC's vote for Turnip? Or are there other things I'm not remembering?

I'm not convinced on Luna either, though I am terrible at reading her. I've thought her town for a while.

People suspect Sloonei based on LC saving Owner, but also because Owner's early suspicions looked bogus. There's a reason she had a lynch train going.
I only stopped going after Owner because she acted without self-preservation. Now that we know the rest of the scumteam was preserving her, there's less reason to do that.

Not lock scum or anything, mind you. But that's why, as far as I know.

linki: JJJ might have more things.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

linki: JJJ might have more things.

Hello hello, so I couldnsn't help but overheard... you ehhh, you lookin' for reads? Let me tell you what my friends, I think I might have just the ting you need. I got reads. I got loads of reads. Dis is your lucky day, eh? Eh heh heh yeah you know it. Hey sir, why don't you let me give one to your little boy here, free of charge. Best reads in town, or they don't call me Supertown Jimmy, see?

[juliets]

Ok thanks Jay and speed. I understand why Sloonei is not looking good now.

Also, at the beginning of the day I sorted Quin as civ but now that I understand exactly what the confusion is about last night I can see putting him back in my POE. I am going to listen to what he has to say though, just like I've listened to speed. I don't think they can both be bad (but correct me if you think that's wrong).

[karavalenge]

Yeah, there's not any real reason to hide it since Speed brought it up.

I floo'd him today to see who the "other" person was he referred to who interacted with Long Con and he complied and told me.

In return I let him know that my Night 3 action was to Diricawl with him, which does not appear to have affected anything.

[MacDougall]

I would still throw Mac on the list, personallt. I'd forgotten about that. Replace me with Mac on JJJ's list.

[MacDougall]

Absolute awe that I sniffed out Long Con on a whim. I literally was like "Fuck I gotta do all these read backs lemme start with Long Con, Oh shit this guy is bad lol got em"

No you didn't.

[MacDougall]

Speedchuck c'mon. You would never be suspicious of me if you were town.

If you were town and I was scum I'd be staying the heck away TBH. You got too much bite for me.

Summarise your suspicion of me.

Your attitude surrounding the night vigs set me off. Felt like you were putting a downer on town, and like you were frustrated with the results.

Otherwise you've seemed town.

Putting a downer on town and being frustrated with the results ay? Nah I don't buy it.

[speedchuck]

Speedchuck c'mon. You would never be suspicious of me if you were town.

If you were town and I was scum I'd be staying the heck away TBH. You got too much bite for me.

Summarise your suspicion of me.

Your attitude surrounding the night vigs set me off. Felt like you were putting a downer on town, and like you were frustrated with the results.

Otherwise you've seemed town.

Putting a downer on town and being frustrated with the results ay? Nah I don't buy it.

Oh gee you don't agree with my case I wonder why

[Sloonei]

If Quin is bad and was targeting his teammate Long Con, what ability might he have been using?

Was this question ever answered?
Additionally, I want to ask who we'd believe more in the Quin vs. Speedchuck split if poutanko's cop claim didn't exist?
And also if there's a scenario in which all three of speedchuck, quin, and poutanko are town and telling the truth?

If these are things that have already been discussed then you can just slap me and point me in the right direction. But I'm hung up on these reported night actions right now and feel like it's the most pressing issue we've got right now.

[MacDougall]

Speedchuck c'mon. You would never be suspicious of me if you were town.

If you were town and I was scum I'd be staying the heck away TBH. You got too much bite for me.

Summarise your suspicion of me.

Your attitude surrounding the night vigs set me off. Felt like you were putting a downer on town, and like you were frustrated with the results.

Otherwise you've seemed town.

Putting a downer on town and being frustrated with the results ay? Nah I don't buy it.

Oh gee you don't agree with my case I wonder why

"case"

[MacDougall]

No offence but you haven't made a case. You've made an incorrect observation.

[MacDougall]

Like, I am not sure how being suspicious of "too good to be true" outcomes is somehow a Mafia thing to've done. I am sure that most would agree that as Mafia in that situation they'd be all "oh yay look at us winnn".

In my opinion, it wouldn't take much to rationalise that behaviour as town, therefore at worst making in null, so for you to hang your hat on it to the point where despite all the prevailing "town tone" stuff you see you feel the need to raise it as though it's compelling enough to put me in a list makes me feel like you are just plain faking it to look like you are actually case making.