Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Golden]

[VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine because I can at least see the foundation of a case there. I still don’t like the epi case

What is it then?

[Kylemii]

i don't feel confident in any of the top 3 lines

[Marmot]

Evil men rejoice when they need no spears or arrows to destroy Epignosis.

Who, by the way, is the only fucker here with a Greek name.

I'm still convinceable. Convince me.

If Epignosis is a civlian, or mafia, do you think he will do as you ask here?

[Golden]

i don't feel confident in any of the top 3 lines

I don't feel confident that even a single vote has gone on a mafia.

[Kylemii]

what is the foundation of a case on nova

[Golden]

Evil men rejoice when they need no spears or arrows to destroy Epignosis.

Who, by the way, is the only fucker here with a Greek name.

I'm still convinceable. Convince me.

If Epignosis is a civlian, or mafia, do you think he will do as you ask here?

I doubt he'll do it in any event, but he should.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'll elaborate on this.

She's heard of my meta in games I never really played in? Really, my meta came up?

suspect af. who in btsc gave you an idea of my meta?

nah you were compared to other players to me in discord in the past when we were OT discussing prolific Syndicate mafia players.

Dom has been mentioned 142 times in Discord, and none of those were comparisons to you.

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

I find this super convincing.

But that's not what she even said? She said that Dom was compared to other players to her. I have had conversations with her in Discord about Dom myself. If Dunya gets lynched, let it be for something not fucking stupid.

I was being sarcastic. I think it’s a dumb accusation and that’s part of why I’m voting Epi.

I wonder how many times you will win by lynching the dumb instead of the bad.

More often then you’ll win by not trying at all.

[ColinIsCool]

I don't like the case for nova right now; reading the thread, it looks like it's based on the whole sig thing, but then why wouldn't people just vote sig? Feels weird to me, but sig doesn't seem like scum either. I don't think using hedge words is necessarily a scum tell, I think some people just talk like that (you might notice I say the word "just" about a thousand times a post, for example.) Nothing after that changed my view of him.

I don't think Epignosis is scum right now. I think he doesn't give a shit, but there's a big difference there. I can't support lynching him.

So as far as people who did ping me ... The case against lunalee was interesting. I really don't like the scenario she outlines where Persians conspire on day 1 to lynch dunya, I don't think it's likely and it seems like big buddying. She kind of reminds me of my scum play in FWWM, possibly acting overly friendly as obfuscation. GTH, scum read right now, and that's the best I can go for.

[VOTE: lunalee] aubergine

[Golden]

Voting off wagon right now? Really?

[Golden]

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.

[ColinIsCool]

These wagons suck. At best, I help contribute to a tie-breaker where I think it's probably a civ. Would that be much better?

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: ] aubergine

[VOTE: [VOTE: ] aubergine] aubergine

[VOTE: [VOTE: Vote

Lynch

Sig] aubergine] aubergine

[VOTE: [VOTE:

I’m dying. ] aubergine] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

Oh fuck. What have I done?

I was trying to laugh at the “third times the charm” voting attempt by NVN.

[Golden]

These wagons suck. At best, I help contribute to a tie-breaker where I think it's probably a civ. Would that be much better?

Much better. If the poll only included those three people, which would you vote for?

[Golden]

Oh fuck. What have I done?

I was trying to laugh at the “third times the charm” voting attempt by NVN.

What have you done? Become the butt of your own joke, that's what.

[Epignosis]

In dunya’s defense, she probably made as many reads as she could on the surface level before departing for places unknown (Paris?)

Yeah honestly I'd rather give her the BOTD and find a better suspect for today. I want to catch up and talk with her in real time. We'll see.

What are your thoughts, Scotty? Where would you recommend I consider voting?

Wherever you want dude, it’s a free market.

Check out lunalee and tell me if you’re seeing what I see. Her iso ain’t long.

Epi and to an extent, LC, are the ones that were continuing to push the dunya Dom scumslip. I don’t think Epi looks town right now.

Many kingdoms have fallen because they were protected by ones who looked like men.

[Golden]

If Epignosis is bad and I just spared him I will be very mad with myself.

[Kylemii]

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[this part]If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.[/right here]

explanation?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m actually leaving my vote on Epi. Mostly because they haven’t posted since I started on page 12ish but I don’t see any compelling reason to vote Dunya or Nova and I don’t feel like Slooneiing with a vote I don’t intend to let sit still to try to make waves.

We are not amused.

[Epignosis]

Epi, do you suspect JOH?

More than Pandora.

[ColinIsCool]

These wagons suck. At best, I help contribute to a tie-breaker where I think it's probably a civ. Would that be much better?

Much better. If the poll only included those three people, which would you vote for?

I dunno. Pick a number out of a hat. The cases for them are uninspiring at best. At least with lunalee I heard myself getting suspicious alongside someone else.

[Golden]

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[this part]If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.[/right here]

explanation?

Colin's post, boiled down

"I have a reason not to vote nova and a reason not to vote epi and... err... there's one specific post about sig that isn't bad and then nothing changed my mind... so I'll vote off wagon"

All while sig is one vote behind.

[Epignosis]

plz summarize the case on sig

Looks really town
Baited dom??
Switched from town to vote on nova with minimal explanation

The top one gives context to the third but is also suspicious in and of itself when does sig ever look town?

In all seriousness, though, I can't vote sig when I'm townreading him, despite the couple of things that bother me - and nova was there to defend sig's vote for him, which is meaningful I think - a vote has enough explanation if the votee can understand it's rationale.

So at least for now, and probably for final, I'm going to [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Epi just slayed in GoC by providing real cases that looked good. His case on dunya is, frankly, basically meaningless but he's acting like it's a silver bullet.

One day the world will ask me to save it by using the very methods they have ridiculed me for using.

And I will answer, "No."

[Jackofhearts2005]

Evil men rejoice when they need no spears or arrows to destroy Epignosis.

Who, by the way, is the only fucker here with a Greek name.

[Golden]

There is literally no worse place to be than ten minutes before a vote where your vote could betray your connection to a teammate, and I feel like you squeeze a lot of blood right there.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine because I can at least see the foundation of a case there. I still don’t like the epi case

Yeah. Git.

[Golden]

plz summarize the case on sig

Looks really town
Baited dom??
Switched from town to vote on nova with minimal explanation

The top one gives context to the third but is also suspicious in and of itself when does sig ever look town?

In all seriousness, though, I can't vote sig when I'm townreading him, despite the couple of things that bother me - and nova was there to defend sig's vote for him, which is meaningful I think - a vote has enough explanation if the votee can understand it's rationale.

So at least for now, and probably for final, I'm going to [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Epi just slayed in GoC by providing real cases that looked good. His case on dunya is, frankly, basically meaningless but he's acting like it's a silver bullet.

One day the world will ask me to save it by using the very methods they have ridiculed me for using.

And I will answer, "No."

I do not think this will happen.

I was impressed by the research. I wasn't impressed that you sat back on your Lazyboy and proclaimed your work on earth to be done.

[Scotty]

I disagree with this sig lynch

[Golden]

I disagree with this sig lynch

This is quite the time to disagree, isn't it? Between it being final and the reveal?

[Scotty]

I disagree with this sig lynch

This is quite the time to disagree, isn't it? Between it being final and the reveal?

I care not about timing. It’s why I’m often late on my cues

[Kylemii]

I have voted for [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

i think the sig lynch is fine, there are mechanical reasons to keep a lynch close in case of the involvement of brasidas.

[novaselinenever]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] What about the case on sig ? I haven't seen you weight in on it.

You also asked me about him and still no follow up. Do you even seek answer to the questions or are they all just empty ?

[ColinIsCool]

There is literally no worse place to be than ten minutes before a vote where your vote could betray your connection to a teammate, and I feel like you squeeze a lot of blood right there.

"Squeeze a lot of blood"?

[Kylemii]

lunalee in particular cus I want to remind myself later to look into them.

[Marmot]

Hey Jay, is sig good or bad?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Epi is bad.

I don’t even care about the other two main wagons.

I don’t wanna vote Luna though. Waaaaaay too easy and without looking at who is actually voting for her, I think they are bad for doing so.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

THREAD IS LOCKED BRIEFLY. PLEASE DO NOT POST MODERATORS.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Darius’s invasion force completed the journey across the Aegean and landed at Euboea, where the Greeks had hardly even begun to mount any kind of defense force or to fortify their cities on the island. The Persians marched essentially unfettered and laid waste to much of the island, including a siege of the coastal city of Carystus. The Persians, under the command of Datis and Artaphernes, had demanded that Carystus supply them with troops to aid in their assault against neighboring Eretria and eventually at Athens. At first they refused, but the siege forced them to capitulate. The city of Eretria, caught in the warpath, was razed and its people enslaved. This diversion however provided Athens with time and warning to prepare for the eventual Persian landing in Attica, and the expected point of combat was at Marathon.

Moving on from Delos, the Barbarians stopped off at a number of islands, where they press-ganged the men into their army, and took the children of the islanders as hostages. In the course of this cruise from island to island, Datis was also provoked to dock at Carystus by the refusal of the Carystians to give him hostages, or consent to provide troops for an attack on cities that were their neighbours – by which, of course, they meant Eretria and Athens. Only when the Carystians were put under siege and had their land stripped bare were they brought round to the Persian view of the matter.

- Herodotus, The Histories, Book Six, Paragraph 99

Athenians were not known for their prowess in military combat at this point in their history. Their stance as a power north of the isthmus was primarily governmental and mercantile. The Spartans to the south, better respected for their capabilities in ground combat, had been summoned for aid, but they delayed in deliberations over tradition.

But to return to the time when Philippides story of Pan’s appearance was set. The second day after leaving Athens on his mission from the generals, he was already in Sparta. ‘Men of Lacedaemon,’ he said, once he had come before the officials, ‘the Athenians beg you for assistance. Do not, by looking the other way, allow the most ancient city in Greece to fall into bondage and the clutches of the barbarians. Already, Eretria has been reduced to slavery, and Greece thereby made the weaker by the loss of a famous city.’ This was the message he delivered, just as he had been instructed to do; but the Lacedaemonians, although keen to come to the help of the Athenians, were unable to do so right away, because of a law that they were most unwilling to break. ‘It is the ninth day of the month,’ they explained, ‘and because of that, we are unable to set out until the moon is full.’

- Herodotus, The Histories, Book Six, Paragraph 106

Eventually they did send troops, but it was too late for them to be of any immediate service. The Athenians had to fight alone at Marathon, under the command of ten generals including Militiades. It would become one of the most famous battles ever fought.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

sig has been lynched. He was:

Spoiler: show

Themistocles



Themistocles is a legend among the Greeks, and for good reason. He was a brilliant politician, tactician, and diplomat. I often balk when historians or enthusiasts attribute immense influence or credit to individual people, as it can be so easily overstated. In the case of Themistocles though, it is hard to deny the truth. He is probably my favorite person in history period. If time permits later in the night phase I will share a little more about him. It will be for flavor and theme and unrelated to game matters.

Night 1 begins now. You have 23 hours to send me your night actions, and the phase will end an hour later. The thread has been unlocked.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Day 1

Who threatens to dismantle everything we have achieved here?
Poll ended at Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:00 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.


Choutas
0
No votes
Voters: None
ColinIsCool
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dom
0
No votes
Voters: None
dunya
2
8%
Voters: Long Con, Epignosis
Epignosis
4
17%
Voters: Scotty, Jackofhearts2005, speedchuck, wolbre04
Golden
2
8%
Voters: Lunalee, Choutas
Jackofhearts2005
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kites
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kylemii
0
No votes
Voters: None
lapluie
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lunalee
2
8%
Voters: Kylemii, ColinIsCool
M Plus 7
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Marmot
1
4%
Voters: Spacedaisy
novaselinenever
4
17%
Voters: MacDougall, sig, Sloonei, Turnip Head
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
5
21%
Voters: novaselinenever, M Plus 7, Marmot, Dom, Golden
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
speedchuck
0
No votes
Voters: None
Turnip Head
1
4%
Voters: dunya
wolbre04
0
No votes
Voters: None
Socrates (host/non)
3
13%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, insertnamehere, juliets
Total votes: 24

[Marmot]

Pericles, do good stuff please because we fucked up.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JUST TO ENSURE PEOPLE SEE IT:

THE THREAD IS UNLOCKED. YOU MAY POST.

[Scotty]

[Scotty]

Who switched off Epi at last second? Was it you, Golden? Marmot?

This is assuming Epi is bad, but I feel much better in his badness now

[Golden]

This is why I hate changeable votes. I always convince myself out of the thing I believe in. I should have voted Epi.

[Scotty]

I’m pissed.

Someone talk shit about me so I won’t be NK’d tonight please. No one’s read me as bad yet

[Epignosis]

Who switched off Epi at last second? Was it you, Golden? Marmot?

This is assuming Epi is bad, but I feel much better in his badness now

Let me know the next time you win a war with your feelings.

[Marmot]

I’m pissed.

Someone talk shit about me so I won’t be NK’d tonight please. No one’s read me as bad yet

Why are you pissed?

We lynched a civilian. It happens.

[Golden]

Who switched off Epi at last second? Was it you, Golden? Marmot?

This is assuming Epi is bad, but I feel much better in his badness now

I will point out that there is no correlation between sig's affiliation and epignosis' affiliation and there's no guarantee I would have been right either way. I pushed epi hard all day and did not have any way of knowing I would be presented with the option of moving off him at the end and switching the lynch.

What annoys me most is I felt like sig reminded me of violet baudelaire in ASOUE and that's basically exactly what he ended up being. Sig was a shit lynch, I'll cop to it. A really shit lynch. So would nova have been. And I'll maintain that I think there's a very good chance there wasn't a single vote on mafia today.

I'm looking at Jack. I'm looking at Sloonei. I'm looking at Colin. Today did not go well.

[Epignosis]

This is why I hate changeable votes. I always convince myself out of the thing I believe in. I should have voted Epi.

Then you are most easily convinced by a man without conviction.