Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[novaselinenever]

And again, to be clear: Colin wasn't an option because your objective was to break the tie?

My objective is always to vote somewhere it can make a difference. I don't think there is ever any value in town voting off wagon, no matter how much you might think every wagon is civ. I don't care about breaking the tie - I'd have voted my biggest suspect of the three even if it created a tie.

I think there is a difference in game philosophy coming to light here. Voting off wagon has its benefits and I don't want to spell all of them out necessarily, but one is to apply pressure. I felt that lunalee's conduct was the most suspicious of anyone I'd ISO'd that day and certainly more suspicious than the others. And I would rather put pressure on someone who I think may be scum than kill someone who I don't see a case for. Sorry if you think that's bad play, but that's how it is and how it's gonna be.

How do you apply pressure with 8 minutes left before the deadline on someone with 1 vote ?

[Kylemii]

while we're all comfy, @Choutas @wolbre04 who are you? tell me about ur lives. who do you know

I am a horrible person overall. My life changes rapidly like the tide and I seriously want to win this game because I'm a very competitive person because frankly I have issues.

okay but what about in terms of Mafia Games

[ColinIsCool]

It's not more likely to get scrutinized since the consequences are less important. You weren't trying to hold someone different up to a light since at the time of your vote that lynch wasn't going anywhere. You completely avoided participating in who gets lynched even though you had a choice between 3 people. Or did you read the 3 of us as Town ?

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. By "hold someone different up to a light," I mean precisely that I was calling attention to scummy behavior in lunalee. As far as my reads on you go, refer to the controversial vote-post in question. The case for you was a fiction, the case for sig was fluff and the case for Epi was probably worse than those two.

Also, what is your post trying to do here ? Are you using hypotheticals of what is scummier to defend yourself ?

Is this not allowed? In another player, I would see jumping on wagon at EOD as much more scummy than jumping off. That's my point. I guess very few of you agree with it, but I don't think the logic from your perspective adds up.

[ColinIsCool]

And again, to be clear: Colin wasn't an option because your objective was to break the tie?

My objective is always to vote somewhere it can make a difference. I don't think there is ever any value in town voting off wagon, no matter how much you might think every wagon is civ. I don't care about breaking the tie - I'd have voted my biggest suspect of the three even if it created a tie.

I think there is a difference in game philosophy coming to light here. Voting off wagon has its benefits and I don't want to spell all of them out necessarily, but one is to apply pressure. I felt that lunalee's conduct was the most suspicious of anyone I'd ISO'd that day and certainly more suspicious than the others. And I would rather put pressure on someone who I think may be scum than kill someone who I don't see a case for. Sorry if you think that's bad play, but that's how it is and how it's gonna be.

How do you apply pressure with 8 minutes left before the deadline on someone with 1 vote ?

The game didn't end after the Day 1 lynch, did it?

[Golden]

And again, to be clear: Colin wasn't an option because your objective was to break the tie?

My objective is always to vote somewhere it can make a difference. I don't think there is ever any value in town voting off wagon, no matter how much you might think every wagon is civ. I don't care about breaking the tie - I'd have voted my biggest suspect of the three even if it created a tie.

I think there is a difference in game philosophy coming to light here. Voting off wagon has its benefits and I don't want to spell all of them out necessarily, but one is to apply pressure. I felt that lunalee's conduct was the most suspicious of anyone I'd ISO'd that day and certainly more suspicious than the others. And I would rather put pressure on someone who I think may be scum than kill someone who I don't see a case for. Sorry if you think that's bad play, but that's how it is and how it's gonna be.

There is literally zero pressure created by an irrelevant vote ten minutes before the deadline.

Spell out the benefits. I don’t think it’s necessarily a difference in perspective. It might be - or that might be a line to wiggle out of suspicion. So I want to understand exactly why you think this vote is of any benefit.

I’ve been scum in your position on a few occasions, and it’s uncomfortable. I’ve watched plenty of scum out themselves in such a situation too. Close votes out scum, to me it’s a reliable tell. So I need your absolute best on justification.

[MacDougall]

Colin what do you think of Sloonei?

[ColinIsCool]

As easily I can:

One benefit of voting off-wagon is that it gets the town to think about other candidates, especially if they're someone who has flown under the radar with regards to that lynch. That's the primary reason I decided to follow my gut about lunalee.

Another benefit would be forcing a potential scum to defend themselves. I think other people have sprung to lunalee's defense, so this doesn't seem to have happened too much. But it's definitely something that happens regardless of the context of the vote and it's useful for the town.

A third reason that didn't occur to me at all yesterday, but I can see now, is seeing how people respond. You learn about other people's playstyles and what they consider scummy and you can get a lot out of that to help you with your reads. I'm learning more about the people who are voicing suspicions of me and I'm interested to see who doesn't.

I can understand why people think the timing of my post might be suspicious, but I'll have to politely ask you to disregard that. I would have made the same vote, after reading lunalee's posts and the rest of the thread, if I were able to, but I was at work and barely got my vote in on time anyway. I know you have no reason to believe me there, but it's the truth.

[Choutas]

Colin what do you think of Sloonei?

Sloonei has a cryptic style. He plays the same whichever the faction he's in. He was always one of the hardest players to read on rym.
By the little I've read him post he's same guy. A diplomat.

[ColinIsCool]

Colin what do you think of Sloonei?

I didn't like his post calling me out at all. It felt superficial, not to mention it didn't hold up as pointed out previously. I have to say I have forgotten how Sloonei plays so I need to reread the substance of your argument again (as well as his responses) but I didn't see anything in it that sounded outright wrong. Lean scum.

[Marmot]

Do I have to read the whole thread to be able to contribute?
Someone give me the short story.

I didn't read the whole thread.

[Dom]

Catch-up time.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[this part]If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.[/right here]

explanation?

Colin's post, boiled down

"I have a reason not to vote nova and a reason not to vote epi and... err... there's one specific post about sig that isn't bad and then nothing changed my mind... so I'll vote off wagon"

All while sig is one vote behind.

Sorry it was Colin, not Scotty. Yes very bad look for Colin.

It's a bad look to vote for somebody I'm suspicious of, as opposed to jumping on a wagon I don't believe in (which, by the way, turned out to be a civ)? Golden's paraphrase of my post here is disingenuous and distorts the character of my message.

If sig is bad, Colin is bad. If sig is good ... well, guess Colin is still bad?

Remind me why you voted nova and how has your thinking changed?

[MacDougall]

Colin what do you think of Sloonei?

I didn't like his post calling me out at all. It felt superficial, not to mention it didn't hold up as pointed out previously. I have to say I have forgotten how Sloonei plays so I need to reread the substance of your argument again (as well as his responses) but I didn't see anything in it that sounded outright wrong. Lean scum.

Which post are you referring to and had you replied already?

[novaselinenever]

And again, to be clear: Colin wasn't an option because your objective was to break the tie?

My objective is always to vote somewhere it can make a difference. I don't think there is ever any value in town voting off wagon, no matter how much you might think every wagon is civ. I don't care about breaking the tie - I'd have voted my biggest suspect of the three even if it created a tie.

I think there is a difference in game philosophy coming to light here. Voting off wagon has its benefits and I don't want to spell all of them out necessarily, but one is to apply pressure. I felt that lunalee's conduct was the most suspicious of anyone I'd ISO'd that day and certainly more suspicious than the others. And I would rather put pressure on someone who I think may be scum than kill someone who I don't see a case for. Sorry if you think that's bad play, but that's how it is and how it's gonna be.

How do you apply pressure with 8 minutes left before the deadline on someone with 1 vote ?

The game didn't end after the Day 1 lynch, did it?

Are you implying that you had no attention to lynch her D1 ?

[novaselinenever]

It's not more likely to get scrutinized since the consequences are less important. You weren't trying to hold someone different up to a light since at the time of your vote that lynch wasn't going anywhere. You completely avoided participating in who gets lynched even though you had a choice between 3 people. Or did you read the 3 of us as Town ?

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. By "hold someone different up to a light," I mean precisely that I was calling attention to scummy behavior in lunalee. As far as my reads on you go, refer to the controversial vote-post in question. The case for you was a fiction, the case for sig was fluff and the case for Epi was probably worse than those two.

Why are you fixated with the cases against us ? It's not an excuse. It doesn't matter how weak they were, what matters are your reads.

Didn't you have any read on any of us ? Didn't you wish to save the two you had the best feelings about ?

[MacDougall]

Colin getting the third degree haha

[Dom]

I meant lunalee.

[novaselinenever]

Catch-up time.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[this part]If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.[/right here]

explanation?

Colin's post, boiled down

"I have a reason not to vote nova and a reason not to vote epi and... err... there's one specific post about sig that isn't bad and then nothing changed my mind... so I'll vote off wagon"

All while sig is one vote behind.

Sorry it was Colin, not Scotty. Yes very bad look for Colin.

It's a bad look to vote for somebody I'm suspicious of, as opposed to jumping on a wagon I don't believe in (which, by the way, turned out to be a civ)? Golden's paraphrase of my post here is disingenuous and distorts the character of my message.

If sig is bad, Colin is bad. If sig is good ... well, guess Colin is still bad?

Remind me why you voted nova and how has your thinking changed?

When did that happen ?

[Dom]

woah.

linki.

didn't alert me to it.

[wolbre04]

while we're all comfy, @Choutas @wolbre04 who are you? tell me about ur lives. who do you know

Well sig invited me here (rip him)

I've played a total of 8 mafia games in my life including this one. I've been town 7 of them(this plus 6 others) and SK the other 1
I am 5-2 with my games so far. I won as serial killer in my second game ever. Otherwise I mostly keep to myself because I've gotten Chinese fire drill lynched for expressing my opinions on other sites before after similar ones have been said (because they think I'm too sheepy) or because I scumread a town player. So generally I don't say my piece unless there's something I deem worthwhile in there.
Otherwise I only know Sig and his meta on my home site (GTF)

[Marmot]

I meant lunalee.

[Turnip Head]

I'm getting new weed tonight, it should affect my reads

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Unfortunately I've too little time to continue my own telling of the story of the wars this phase. I encourage anyone following along who is interested though to watch the video below, picking up where we left off at the Battle of Marathon. Be aware though that the story of the man running the distance back from Marathon to Athens, declaring victory, and then dying is widely accepted as being a myth. Herodotus himself didn't even tell it that way.

Night 1 is over.

Spoiler: show

Epignosis has been killed. He was:

Spoiler: show

Brasidas



Brasidas was a highly successful Spartan general during the Pelopponesian War. He was known for his great bravado and the devotion and bravery that he inspired in his men.
Thucydides, the premier historian of the war, labeled him as "the target of every arrow" -- such was the fear the Athenians had of him throughout the conflict. Even many Spartans distrusted him, as alongside his typically Spartan militaristic qualities he also boasted traits more often associated with the enemy, such as thoughtfulness, curiosity, and charisma.

Day 2 is underway. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

[mention]Quin[/mention] is replacing Kites.
[mention]colonialbob[/mention] is replacing lapluie.

[Scotty]

I'm getting new weed tonight, it should affect my reads

All right Nostradamus

[Turnip Head]

Oh um bye Epi

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Welcome to the game.

[Kylemii]

rip epi

[Turnip Head]

I'll be munching on some marmot for now

[Kylemii]

I'm getting new weed tonight, it should affect my reads

weed reads

[wolbre04]

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] if you read above I answered your question
Also rip at Epignosis

[wolbre04]

From D1 (Updated)

Dunya: 2- Long Con, Epignosis
Epignosis: 4 - Scotty, Jack of Hearts, Speedchuck, Wolbre04
Golden: 2 - Lunalee, Croutons
Lunalee: 2 - Kylemii, ColinisCool
Marmot: 1 - Space Daisy
Novaselinenever: 4 - MacDougal, Sloonei, Sig, Turnip
Sig:: 5 - Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, Golden
Turniphead: 1 - Dunya

There's 2-3 scum in: Scotty, Jack, Speed, Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, and Golden
Further narrowed down to: Scotty, Golden, Marmot, Nova, Speed

Here's a Pretty List:
Jack
MP
Dom
Speed
Golden
Scotty
Marmot
Nova

Just what I'm thinking

[Dom]

Epignosis.

[wolbre04]

What I smell


I'm gonna find you

[wolbre04]

Dunya can you lend me your cat so we can kill the vermin please

[colonialbob]

Ain't reading 30 pages. Who's bad?

[wolbre04]

Ain't reading 30 pages. Who's bad?

Me

[Scotty]

Ain't reading 30 pages. Who's bad?

Me

Nah, you’re indie

[Scotty]

Don’t understand the Epi kill. Don’t know what it means, except now I have to start over

[Scotty]

Looking at Epi’s role makes sense for how his D1 shook out. Shame he didn’t get to have it happen.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine aubergine

[Scotty]

Hey...were those items in the Hellenic League Arsenal always crossed off?

Or have they alredy given away 4 items?

[Long Con]

Last I heard, it was three. I could comment more but I haven't actually read any of the front page. I don't really know the roles and the teams... I have an idea in my head. I know Persians are bad, so that's something. Not quite sure if the Civ factions are against each other in any way. There's items??

RIP Epi, WTF was that? I guess they took my advice when I said that you don't get lynched. Sorry dude.

Dom's interaction with Marmot recently was not impressive. I'll [VOTE: Dom] aubergine probably because I'm some sort of subconscious masochist.

[wolbre04]

Ain't reading 30 pages. Who's bad?

Me

Nah, you’re indie

Oh yeah

[Lunalee]

Spoiler: show

From D1 (Updated)

Dunya: 2- Long Con, Epignosis
Epignosis: 4 - Scotty, Jack of Hearts, Speedchuck, Wolbre04
Golden: 2 - Lunalee, Croutons
Lunalee: 2 - Kylemii, ColinisCool
Marmot: 1 - Space Daisy
Novaselinenever: 4 - MacDougal, Sloonei, Sig, Turnip
Sig:: 5 - Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, Golden
Turniphead: 1 - Dunya

There's 2-3 scum in: Scotty, Jack, Speed, Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, and Golden
Further narrowed down to: Scotty, Golden, Marmot, Nova, Speed

Here's a Pretty List:
Jack
MP
Dom
Speed
Golden
Scotty
Marmot
Nova

Just what I'm thinking

So your suspicions lie on anyone who voted for confirmed town. Even though you did the very same thing.

[Epignosis]

Persian bitches couldn't handle all them Laconic bombs I was dropping.

[wolbre04]

Spoiler: show

From D1 (Updated)

Dunya: 2- Long Con, Epignosis
Epignosis: 4 - Scotty, Jack of Hearts, Speedchuck, Wolbre04
Golden: 2 - Lunalee, Croutons
Lunalee: 2 - Kylemii, ColinisCool
Marmot: 1 - Space Daisy
Novaselinenever: 4 - MacDougal, Sloonei, Sig, Turnip
Sig:: 5 - Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, Golden
Turniphead: 1 - Dunya

There's 2-3 scum in: Scotty, Jack, Speed, Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, and Golden
Further narrowed down to: Scotty, Golden, Marmot, Nova, Speed

Here's a Pretty List:
Jack
MP
Dom
Speed
Golden
Scotty
Marmot
Nova

Just what I'm thinking

So your suspicions lie on anyone who voted for confirmed town. Even though you did the very same thing.

I was worried about a tie tbh, a d1 no lynch has happened to me in games before and I feel like it puts us into an endless cycle of misinformation. This probably sounds flimsy but
a. I'm new so Epi's behavior seemed weird as I don't know anyone's metas that was alive at the time
b. I posted the "No Lynching is illegal" Trump gif (this should obviously be enough)
c. I wasn't going to be around for several hours after voting, and he seemed the best option at the time (I didn't post after that for quite awhile). I wouldn't have felt comfortable with a sig lynch because he was not acting scummy based on my games with him on my home forum.
d. At the time, Epi had 3(?) votes on him I believe and was the leading wagon, with 2(?) votes on another player - I wasn't going to risk a tie when our information tank is empty.

[wolbre04]

Additionally, do we know if Mafia was potentially RB'd and a vig (or one of the indies gave someone a vig shot) and they took out Epi? Food for thought I suppose.

[novaselinenever]

Spoiler: show

From D1 (Updated)

Dunya: 2- Long Con, Epignosis
Epignosis: 4 - Scotty, Jack of Hearts, Speedchuck, Wolbre04
Golden: 2 - Lunalee, Croutons
Lunalee: 2 - Kylemii, ColinisCool
Marmot: 1 - Space Daisy
Novaselinenever: 4 - MacDougal, Sloonei, Sig, Turnip
Sig:: 5 - Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, Golden
Turniphead: 1 - Dunya

There's 2-3 scum in: Scotty, Jack, Speed, Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, and Golden
Further narrowed down to: Scotty, Golden, Marmot, Nova, Speed

Here's a Pretty List:
Jack
MP
Dom
Speed
Golden
Scotty
Marmot
Nova

Just what I'm thinking

So your suspicions lie on anyone who voted for confirmed town. Even though you did the very same thing.

I was worried about a tie tbh, a d1 no lynch has happened to me in games before and I feel like it puts us into an endless cycle of misinformation. This probably sounds flimsy but
a. I'm new so Epi's behavior seemed weird as I don't know anyone's metas that was alive at the time
b. I posted the "No Lynching is illegal" Trump gif (this should obviously be enough)
c. I wasn't going to be around for several hours after voting, and he seemed the best option at the time (I didn't post after that for quite awhile). I wouldn't have felt comfortable with a sig lynch because he was not acting scummy based on my games with him on my home forum.
d. At the time, Epi had 3(?) votes on him I believe and was the leading wagon, with 2(?) votes on another player - I wasn't going to risk a tie when our information tank is empty.

As far as I know, a tie doesn't lead to a no lynch but to an RNG between the tied players from my experience here. It might differ from host to host though.

[wolbre04]

On my home forum it just ends with no one being lynched. I don't like the alternative of a random person either, while there is a chance a persian might get hit, I'm not comfortable taking the rope myself

[wolbre04]

Or a random player I townread

[ColinIsCool]

Not gonna repeat myself. Busy, sorry. Check ISO.

Nova, townish. Epi, sig, town. Those were my reads. Again, check ISO.

[Long Con]

On my home forum it just ends with no one being lynched. I don't like the alternative of a random person either, while there is a chance a persian might get hit, I'm not comfortable taking the rope myself

The random choice is only between the tied lynch players, not everyone.