[END] Harry Potter Mafia

[Ben Linus]

That doesn't make them bad. I wanted to hear from someone BEFORE anyone voted. And I don't like Jennet's rhetoric. Hence, I chose poorly.

Jennet didn't disagree with me. Jennet voted without saying anything to anybody really. Ditto Babs. I disagreed with THEM. That's the difference. Does disagreeing with them make me bad?

No, and I don't think you're bad at all. I believe someone else would have been rezzed for sure if you were.

[Ben Linus]

And what rhetoric are you speaking of? The only one I've made came after your comment.

[Jack Shephard]

And what rhetoric are you speaking of? The only one I've made came after your comment.

"I'm fortunate enough to be back in here to continue playing, even if not for long, so I'm going to take advantage of my time and invest it on you Karin. I will do a reading of everything that's happened since I died and post my thoughts on those players. I do know that is important as well with there probably being 3 Death Eaters left (2 aside from Karin), and with everyone here wanting it, but my main goal is to have you lynched Karin."

That kind of talk makes me nervous about you, sorry. Too ominous.

[Ben Linus]

Sorry, I'm just trying to make things clear and simple. There's not much of that in this game, what with all the crazy death variations and events, so that last thing I wanted was my efforts to get lost in the rest of the mess. Hence why I stated exactly what my goal is, and what will happen.

Heck, I would even sacrifice myself today for the lynch to prove my goal and my agenda, but only if I'm guaranteed that everyone will listen to and follow what I have to say. I think people have forgotten who led the charge on Mary and are getting caught up in other places.

[Young Lady]

Sorry, I'm just trying to make things clear and simple. There's not much of that in this game, what with all the crazy death variations and events, so that last thing I wanted was my efforts to get lost in the rest of the mess. Hence why I stated exactly what my goal is, and what will happen.

Heck, I would even sacrifice myself today for the lynch to prove my goal and my agenda, but only if I'm guaranteed that everyone will listen to and follow what I have to say. I think people have forgotten who led the charge on Mary and are getting caught up in other places.

Get your nose out of the air.

[Jack Shephard]

Sorry, I'm just trying to make things clear and simple. There's not much of that in this game, what with all the crazy death variations and events, so that last thing I wanted was my efforts to get lost in the rest of the mess. Hence why I stated exactly what my goal is, and what will happen.

Heck, I would even sacrifice myself today for the lynch to prove my goal and my agenda, but only if I'm guaranteed that everyone will listen to and follow what I have to say. I think people have forgotten who led the charge on Mary and are getting caught up in other places.

I'm going to bow out and let the other witches decide. I'm tired. I've tried my best. Three lynches got wasted because of people wanting to have at me (and Malin). I don't know who is good, bad, or ugly. I'm just tired.

[Spooky Ghost]

That doesn't make them bad. I wanted to hear from someone BEFORE anyone voted. And I don't like Jennet's rhetoric. Hence, I chose poorly.

Jennet didn't disagree with me. Jennet voted without saying anything to anybody really. Ditto Babs. I disagreed with THEM. That's the difference. Does disagreeing with them make me bad?

No.
I think we've come to the agreement that you aren't likely on Voldemort's team.
However, your line of reasoning that you made a mistake because the discussion isn't going the way you had hoped does ring uncivvie to me. Not sure what to make of it tbh.

That doesn't make them bad. I wanted to hear from someone BEFORE anyone voted. And I don't like Jennet's rhetoric. Hence, I chose poorly.

Jennet didn't disagree with me. Jennet voted without saying anything to anybody really. Ditto Babs. I disagreed with THEM. That's the difference. Does disagreeing with them make me bad?

No, and I don't think you're bad at all. I believe someone else would have been rezzed for sure if you were.

Just wondering, who?

[Phoebe Buffay]

Jennet your proposal to be lynched in order to validate your suspicions is interesting. How long do you think you're back for? Will you be leaving as soon as Agnes did? If you'll soon be forced to go back to the underworld or wherever no matter what, then I think this might be worth doing. Your case on Karin isn't strong enough IMO for me to simply take your word on it like you want us to. I think that you (and Barb?) might have been rezzed with good intentions, but I'm not sure what to make of your arrival or how you've both played since you've been back. It feels like I'm being used as a pawn being forced to vote or think a certain way. I just have my doubts.

This is also exactly how Agnes acted versus Entjen when she returned, and I just looked back and Agnes was returned to us on the same Day that Mary Eastey was eventually lynched. In hindsight Agnes's case against Entjen looks like it could have been a distraction to try and take attention away from Mary. Agnes made a cryptic post about Sarah Good to start and then spent the rest of the Day attacking Entjen while promising to give thoughts about other players but she never delivered. Agnes had similar credentials as Jennet: Agnes was posthumously outed as an important student role, Jennet led the charge against the only lynched baddie. The perfect (sock)puppets for the Death eaters to "rez"/recruit. I can't shake the feeling that I shouldn't trust the new you and that this is all a messy distraction from everything that's happened the past 3 days.

[Celeste]

the idea of lynching jennet to verify her intentions does sound maybe worth doing. if Jennet is going to return to being dead anyways then maybe it would be better to do that? her undead status does afford us that unique opportunity after all

the idea of failing to lynch alizon or malin again doesn't really sound that great, and the responses to the karin case today have been very interesting, so i think i'd be okay placing my vote there

[Paul Stevens]

I am voting Karin We have been given a gift. Alizon herself has given it to us.

The way to find out about Alizon for sure is by testing those she brought to us. It will put to rest her alignment fore the rest of the game.

Anne Redferne trying to discount Agnes/Harry Potter only makes me more sure that we should follow Jennet and Barbara.
Suggesting we lynch Jennet or Barbara only proves NOTHING except that you prefer to waste lynches. Why would you want to waste another day of no lynch Anne Redferne? Why would any sane civ want to lynch someone who is dead? They are not rezz'ed and are not here permanently this makes no sense to lynch them.

If Karin comes back bad I think her partners are Jane Southworth and Anne Redferne and ofc Alizon.

I find it quite hilarious that Alizon has completely dropped me from her radar.

[Celeste]

I am voting Karin We have been given a gift. Alizon herself has given it to us.

The way to find out about Alizon for sure is by testing those she brought to us. It will put to rest her alignment fore the rest of the game.

I don't see how this has anything to do with Alizon? Alizon has been hinting that she revived Margaret and Jennet but their alignments have no correlation with hers.

Anne Redferne trying to discount Agnes/Harry Potter only makes me more sure that we should follow Jennet and Barbara.

I don't think I have ever done anything at all even similar to that? what are you talking about.

Suggesting we lynch Jennet or Barbara only proves NOTHING except that you prefer to waste lynches. Why would you want to waste another day of no lynch Anne Redferne? Why would any sane civ want to lynch someone who is dead? They are not rezz'ed and are not here permanently this makes no sense to lynch them.

Excuse me? :\ I was literally just talking about how i didn't want to waste another lynch on Malin, and Alizon. I've been in moderate agreement with the case on Malin basically from the start, but there are many who aren't. Jennet suggested allowing herself to be lynched in order to prove why her get those particular people on board and I saw the logic in it. It's a compromise with very little risk involved. The fact that they aren't here permanently is exactly what makes Jennet's plan logical.

If Karin comes back bad I think her partners are Jane Southworth and Anne Redferne and ofc Alizon.

Completely wrong about me, I am in agreement with you about Jane however.

[Celeste]

My preference today is a Karin lynch. What I was saying is that a Jennet lynch would work almost as well. Jennet seems to be saying that her lynch reveal would provide evidence of some kind which would lead to Malin's lynch the next day, making the two options analogous. The only differences being that one is slower but more assured, and the other is riskier but possibly more efficient.

[Celeste]

i accidentally stayed awake until 8 am whoops i'm voting now to avoid oversleeping the poll :x

Vote Karin

[Ben Linus]

My preference today is a Karin lynch. What I was saying is that a Jennet lynch would work almost as well. Jennet seems to be saying that her lynch reveal would provide evidence of some kind which would lead to Malin's lynch the next day, making the two options analogous. The only differences being that one is slower but more assured, and the other is riskier but possibly more efficient.

I know you stayed up 'til 8 AM, but I'll go ahead and correct this post. It should be Karin not Malin.

[Spooky Ghost]

Voting Karin.

[Young Lady]

i accidentally stayed awake until 8 am whoops i'm voting now to avoid oversleeping the poll :x

Vote Karin

I don't think this vote should be valid. Anne wasn't in her right mind at the time she voted

But seriously... I am shocked that so many people are are being influenced by someone who pops into the game out of the blue, points to me and says, "lynch her" and has no real arguments.

[Spooky Ghost]

That's not remotely what happened?

[Young Lady]

That's not remotely what happened?

[Gunther]

Jennet your proposal to be lynched in order to validate your suspicions is interesting. How long do you think you're back for? Will you be leaving as soon as Agnes did? If you'll soon be forced to go back to the underworld or wherever no matter what, then I think this might be worth doing. Your case on Karin isn't strong enough IMO for me to simply take your word on it like you want us to. I think that you (and Barb?) might have been rezzed with good intentions, but I'm not sure what to make of your arrival or how you've both played since you've been back. It feels like I'm being used as a pawn being forced to vote or think a certain way. I just have my doubts.

This is also exactly how Agnes acted versus Entjen when she returned, and I just looked back and Agnes was returned to us on the same Day that Mary Eastey was eventually lynched. In hindsight Agnes's case against Entjen looks like it could have been a distraction to try and take attention away from Mary. Agnes made a cryptic post about Sarah Good to start and then spent the rest of the Day attacking Entjen while promising to give thoughts about other players but she never delivered. Agnes had similar credentials as Jennet: Agnes was posthumously outed as an important student role, Jennet led the charge against the only lynched baddie. The perfect (sock)puppets for the Death eaters to "rez"/recruit. I can't shake the feeling that I shouldn't trust the new you and that this is all a messy distraction from everything that's happened the past 3 days.

That's exactly what's been bugging me about the new rez. I knew something felt off and familiar at the same time but I couldn't place my finger on what.

I don't have good feelings about a Karin lynch. I also don't know where else to place my vote.

[Gunther]

Ok - everything else aside - if we didn't lynch Karin - where else are we looking?

[Gunther]

I am voting Karin We have been given a gift. Alizon herself has given it to us.

The way to find out about Alizon for sure is by testing those she brought to us. It will put to rest her alignment fore the rest of the game.

Anne Redferne trying to discount Agnes/Harry Potter only makes me more sure that we should follow Jennet and Barbara.
Suggesting we lynch Jennet or Barbara only proves NOTHING except that you prefer to waste lynches. Why would you want to waste another day of no lynch Anne Redferne? Why would any sane civ want to lynch someone who is dead? They are not rezz'ed and are not here permanently this makes no sense to lynch them.

If Karin comes back bad I think her partners are Jane Southworth and Anne Redferne and ofc Alizon.

I find it quite hilarious that Alizon has completely dropped me from her radar.

Wait? What are you trying to say here?

This whole post makes no sense to me. If Alizon had something to do with the return of Barbara and Jennet what does that say exactly about Alizon besides the fact that she brought back Jennet and Barbara came along for the ride?

If Alizon is bad why would you trust anyone she brought back?

Furthermore, how would Karin coming back *bad* make Alizon her baddie partner? Why in the world would a baddie rez someone who then tossed one of their live teammates under the bus? If Alizon was bad, and if she was responsible for the rez, wouldn't it make more sense for her to bring back a fallen teammate or to not bring anyone back at all?

Funny you mention Jane, I've read her pretty civ this game.

This whole post feels like you are trying to set Alizon, Jane and Anne R up to take the blame when Karin comes back civ..

Unfortunately I can't wait around to vote as I have to go do some things with my favorite wizard. Please don't think though that I'll forget about this so I do hope you address my concerns.

vote Anne W.

[Lizzy]

Night 8 story updated.

[Spooky Ghost]

That's not remotely what happened?

There has been more than one case presented to you. While not as perfect as some users pretend they are, they do present some problematic facets of your behavior. You have dismissed them. You also weren't brought up out of no where. You have been talked about since at least day 5.

Ok - everything else aside - if we didn't lynch Karin - where else are we looking?

Exactly. The people saying no to Karin's lynch have yet to propose a viable alternative.

[Operator]

sike am vendue a bandwagon fan. Voting Anie whittle because DharmaRepresentative2342 Long Con Venomous Imp is villous medicine

[Ben Linus]

Ok - everything else aside - if we didn't lynch Karin - where else are we looking?

I think you should vote Karin, and if not her, then vote for me. You're allowed to make up your own mind though, you don't have to have someone else tell you where to place your vote, you know.

[Ben Linus]

That makes for 2 odd votes for Miss Whittle.

[Jack Shephard]

That makes for 2 odd votes for Miss Whittle.

Three.

[Ben Linus]

Why are you voting her?

[Ben Linus]

If you're not going to lynch Karin, then just lynch me.

[Jack Shephard]

Why are you voting her?

I have said this many times. She twists my words around. She had done so on at least two occasions.

Her last post is all over the map. I've given everyone a "gift" but I'm also Karin's teammate. I like how Katharina said it.

I find it quite hilarious that Alizon has completely dropped me from her radar.

First, I didn't drop her from any radar. Second, I am positive that if I were actively advocating for her lynch in the thread this day period, she would have said this~

"I find it quite hilarious that Alizon is trying to put the thread's attention on me instead of where it should be- Karin."

Or some such variant. Anything I do is "odd" or "hilarious."

Anne says Barbara's case was strong but never said why. I am always suspicious of people who use adjectives ("strong case," "odd that...") without elaboration.

I'm sorry if I don't agree with the reasons Karin is receiving votes.

Actually, I'm not sorry.

[Ben Linus]

Well there's only three voters left, And I know two of them (Karin and Jane) are going to hop on the Whittle-wagon.

[Jack Shephard]

Well there's only three voters left, And I know two of them (Karin and Jane) are going to hop on the Whittle-wagon.

If Karin is bad, is she the only one left?

[Ben Linus]

Most assuredly not. As far as my knowledge goes, the only Death Eater no longer with us is Mary. My guess is that Voldemort doesn't die until all of his Death Eaters have passed, which is a scary thought when there are still a grand total of three.

[Ben Linus]

Also, I'm not saying that the Anne Whittle case isn't a good one or anything. I just happen to be more certain of Karin.

[Young Lady]

*voted Anne W*

[Phoebe Buffay]

I tied it up.

[Celeste]

hmmm so now it's down to alice or sarah's vote choices?

[Lizzy]

Day 9
Who is a nasty Death Eater?

Poll ended at Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:06 am

Jennet Bierley
0
No votes

Alizon Device
1
Alice Nutter (9)
7%

Sarah Good
0
No votes

Katharina Henot
0
No votes

Märet Jonsdotter
0
No votes

Barbara Kollerin
0
No votes

Malin Matsdotter
1
Sarah Good (13)
7%

Alice Nutter
0
No votes

Anne Redferne
0
No votes

Jane Southworth
0
No votes

Karin Svensdotter
5
Jennet Bierley (2), Barbara Kollerin (3), Anne Whittle (5), Anne Redferne (7), Märet Jonsdotter (8)
33%

Anne Whittle
5
Katharina Henot (10), Malin Matsdotter (11), Alizon Device (12), Karin Svensdotter (14), Jane Southworth (15)
33%

Fluttershy (Hosts/Mod/Deadies)
3
Lizzy (1), S~V~S (4), A Person (6)
20%

Total votes : 15

[Celeste]

wait nope, poll is already ended, so it's just a regular tie i guess. i feel like either way we're about to learn something

[Lizzy]

Day 9: The Acromantula

Naturally, Anne W. had been affected by Merga’s death in Honeydukes, but she was desperately looking for something to quench her thirst and drinking a few bottles of pumpkin juice on top of Merga’s body might have been considered tactless. Thus, she took advantage of the mess inside the candy shop to sneak out and head for the Three Broomsticks. At long last! She quaffed three pints of butterbeer before you could say ‘Merlin’s beard!’ and kindly asked Madame Rosmerta for four more bottles which she hid in her robes. By the time she got out she was feeling a tad tipsy. ‘I wonder if there was any firewhisky in there. HIC! Blimey! Better go back to the castle!’ so she headed back wobbling and checking from time to time if her bottles were still intact, and the only way to do that was to take a test it properly and take a sip from time to time. After a couple of hours, she found herself surrounded by tall dark trees, and sheer and utter silence. Anne had never been so deep in the Forbidden Forest before, so she wondered how the bloody hell she ended up in there in the first place. Still dizzy and fairly intoxicated, she noticed a trail of spiders moving along the path. She reached for her wand ‘LUMOS’ and decided to follow the spiders, because that is what you normally do. She couldn’t move very quickly; there were tree roots and stumps in their way, barely visible in the near blackness, plus, she was still drunk.

She walked for what it seemed like at least half an hour, her robes snagging on low-slung branches and brambles. After a while she noticed that the ground seemed to be sloping downwards, though the trees were as thick as ever. She tripped and started rolling downhill. Something hairy by extremely soft had cushioned her fall. ‘Cheers, mate!’ but before she could marvel at the beast that was near her, a pair of giant pincers penetrated her neck and the venom killed her instantaneously.

Anne Whittle has been lynched. She was Vincent Crabbe.

It is now Night 9. You have 23 hours to send in your PMs.

[Lizzy]

I seem to have a bit of Polyjuice Potion left.



If you want it, send the hosts a PM with what you'd do with it.

[Spooky Ghost]

Yeah, not surprised.

[Operator]

Yeah, not surprised.

I am.

Glad not to be insanified anymore though.

[Spooky Ghost]

Alizon Device
1
Alice Nutter (9)
7%

Karin Svensdotter
5
Jennet Bierley (2), Barbara Kollerin (3), Anne Whittle (5), Anne Redferne (7), Märet Jonsdotter (8)
33%

Anne Whittle
5
Katharina Henot (10), Malin Matsdotter (11), Alizon Device (12), Karin Svensdotter (14), Jane Southworth (15)
33%


You're telling this doesn't look like a classic baddie save? The FIRST vote for Anne came after the LAST vote for Karin.

[Chuck]

Oh dang son look at Malin with her vote for Anne wow.

[Jack Shephard]

I was wrong about Anne Whittle. I'm sorry Anne, and won't blame you if you hate me. Like I said, I'm trying, and I still don't think Karin is bad.

Alizon Device
1
Alice Nutter (9)
7%

Karin Svensdotter
5
Jennet Bierley (2), Barbara Kollerin (3), Anne Whittle (5), Anne Redferne (7), Märet Jonsdotter (8)
33%

Anne Whittle
5
Katharina Henot (10), Malin Matsdotter (11), Alizon Device (12), Karin Svensdotter (14), Jane Southworth (15)
33%


You're telling this doesn't look like a classic baddie save? The FIRST vote for Anne came after the LAST vote for Karin.

No it doesn't.

Maybe because all the Anne voters, you know, WAITED to vote. Like I've been asking people to do (when we have 48 hours). Maybe they were willing to hear out what anybody else had to say. That's what I did. To be fair, I think you did also, although it's clear you could have waited a bit longer.

It's only a baddie save if Karin is a baddie, and sorry to the ressurectees, but I'm not convinced. I listen to cases, not smelly "Some of us have info."

[Operator]

Oh dang son look at Malin with her vote for Anne wow.

Wow indeed.

Now that I am not insane I can explain my vote. I thought Anne had been acting very baddie. She was completely silent and non-participatory until she started getting suspicion, then she was super-active and defensive, giving a lot of NO Us and quite a few arguments that made no sense. It smacked of desperation, and I really thought she was bad. She ended up being Slytherin, so I was pretty close, right? :P

I too have grave misgivings about the way Barbara and Jennet have been playing. It smells really fishy to just pop up out of nowhere, point to someone, shout "HER!" and then immediately cast votes. It feels manipulative and I don't like being manipulated. That being said, I have no real opinion of Karin and my vote was not about saving her, it was about voting my conscience as I have ALWAYS done this game and will continue to do. Sarah Good still hasn't contributed a thing and expects to win the game without ever making a single substantive post. I still think she's a baddie who has figured out how this site works.

[Celeste]

Sarah Good, if you had voted, who would you have voted for?

[Chuck]

I did vote tho.

[Chuck]

Oh dang son look at Malin with her vote for Anne wow.

Wow indeed.

Now that I am not insane I can explain my vote. I thought Anne had been acting very baddie. She was completely silent and non-participatory until she started getting suspicion, then she was super-active and defensive, giving a lot of NO Us and quite a few arguments that made no sense. It smacked of desperation, and I really thought she was bad. She ended up being Slytherin, so I was pretty close, right? :P

I too have grave misgivings about the way Barbara and Jennet have been playing. It smells really fishy to just pop up out of nowhere, point to someone, shout "HER!" and then immediately cast votes. It feels manipulative and I don't like being manipulated. That being said, I have no real opinion of Karin and my vote was not about saving her, it was about voting my conscience as I have ALWAYS done this game and will continue to do. Sarah Good still hasn't contributed a thing and expects to win the game without ever making a single substantive post. I still think she's a baddie who has figured out how this site works.

What does that mean