Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

[Golden]

I didn't really expect Sorsha to consider the girls to be town. At this point, any argument for why one should be voted to have the map was inherently facetious.

I find Sorsha's response fair. She didn't say she read them as civilian, she said she had no reason to think they weren't. Useful pedantry. I disagree with Quin's assessment that she 'appeased' Jay.

By answering the questions the way she did, it looks like she's confirming her post to have been based on reads, which omits what I think the post was based on, the gimmick. That's the impression I get.

I think you're reading her posts wrong. I think she's confirming that it wasn't based on reads (but that, if she actively read one of them as bad, she wouldn't have said it).

[Golden]

There are 159 posts in this thread, and 102 of them belong the last four players to make a post plus the host.

I think the most miraculous thing is that I have more posts than you.

As of this post, anyway.

Only because you aren't wearing any socks.

[Marmot]

There are 159 posts in this thread, and 102 of them belong the last four players to make a post plus the host.

Was that before or after this post?

[Marmot]

We also have like 67 hours.

That's plenty of time for DrWigly of Sorsha to slip up.

[Quin]

There are 159 posts in this thread, and 102 of them belong the last four players to make a post plus the host.

I think the most miraculous thing is that I have more posts than you.

As of this post, anyway.

Only because you aren't wearing any socks.

Wearing socks creates an obligation to pair them with shoes, and shoes are the worst.

[Marmot]

I jsute rememberd Strawhenge is playing,

So for now, have my vote. Vote Strawhenge

I really owe you oen..

[Soneji]

Hi everyone. Apologies for dumb questions ahead of time, I will be asking them all game and for games to come too.

DO NOT GIVE ME THE MAP, I REPEAT, DO NOT GIVE ME THE MAP.

Alright, now that I got the reverse psychology argument out of the way, should we try to coordinate the poll votes, or would that be against the spirit of the game? And would there be a benefit in doing so? I am guessing not much aside from pissing off the mod.

You guys call the mod the host here from what I gather, right?

What is BTSC?

What is Civ or Civilian? Is that like a regular townie?

I asked all the dumb questions too, not to worry.

But I did get a ping from this. Most of this was already discussed, and what isn't just doesn't feel particularly helpful.

If you're gonna toss around accusations at least have the common courtesy to quote where this was "already discussed" so that I can see what you're referring to and shoot down your fake arguments accordingly...

A rather strong reaction to what was a rather tame observation. Wants evidence supporting the accusation but is already dismissing it as a fake argument, therefore backhandedly saying that Quin is scum.

[VOTE: ] aubergine[VOTE:


Don't understand how Quin is reading into Sorsha's posts so strongly. Her responses to JJJ pretty plainly state that she would like for her vote to have given the map to a civ and that she doesn't have reason to suspect at the moment that the other girls are mafia.] aubergine

[Fredwood]

There are 159 posts in this thread, and 102 of them belong the last four players to make a post plus the host.

To be fair the next two are us new folks. 8 posts is actually pretty good for me this early. I'm not a quiet player by any means but I'm also not a 800 post per game player like yourself.

I will say generating day 1 reads is viewed as kind of pointless where I play. It's always a point of contention on whether or not day 1's should be as useless as it is and whether or not we should have more games start on Night 0. As a result I've gotten in the bad habit of just checking in once on Day 1 just to say hello.

Additionally it is interested in seeing the push on civ reads. Usually I'm trying to play the fine line between appearing town and scum. If you're too town you usually get killed early. I will see how this develops.

[Fredwood]

Additionally it is interesting* to see the push on appearing overly Civilian*

I guess that conditioning has made me not trust people who appear blatantly town (CIV). TBF I really only trust myself, and even the, just on special occasions.

[sprityo]

MovingPictures07 is the King C.E.O of Fuck Mountain.

VOTALS:

Scotty (1): JJJ
Fredwood (1): DrWilgy
Strawhenge (1): MM
Silver Lantern (1): Soneji

With 21 Alive, it takes 11 to Lynch, and 6 to soft lynch. Day 1 will end on 14th February, 2017 at 10pm EST, or in approx. 61 hours.

I will put out Vote totals about a couple times every 24 hours, but feel free to put an "unofficial count" post out for yourself if you want a visual representation

[sprityo]

It's come to my attention that i should clarify on the day/night cycles and the polls for each.

So day 0 had you all voting for who would receive the Map, now the Day polls will be where you are going and the night polls are who will receive items.

Reminder that there is NO communication at night besides any BTSC. So take that into account during today's discussions

[insertnamehere]

North-east because I like a little of everything.

Lynch: Scotty

His support of me in the map business looked fake. Also I appreciate those who entrusted the map to me, I will do my best to live up the appropriate standard.

I'm sorry it looked fake.

It's because it was.

I voted for INH to receive the map

Cheers, although it was ultimately in vain as I am 100% mapless.

I will say that I dislike very much the fact that three different people all claimed to possess the map. I voted for MM, so his claim at least has some legitimacy in my eyes.

Going into Day 1, 3J and Golden both get the squinty-raised-eyebrow treatment from me. I'm not willing to vote for them yet (as we have 60 GODDAMN HOURS to do so), but I'm gonna be watching their posts.

No map for me

I've never been voted to get anything like that. Maybe one day.

I wouldn't have chosen to say this in a vacuum, but since I already said I didn't get the map...

I did get the map. I was just impatient and assumed the PM had gone elsewhere.

It doesn't feel massively helpful, but it does enable me to turn the compass directions on this poll (and others) into specific locations. If we go to a location that turns out to be favourable, I might be able to help us get back there. It looks like you can't get everywhere from everywhere, though. For now, it's meaningless to me.

Thanks to those who trusted me. It genuinely is the first time I've been elected to get one of these! I assumed it had gone to Jay.

This little flippity flop especially struck me the wrong way.

[Silver Lantern]

Hi everyone. Apologies for dumb questions ahead of time, I will be asking them all game and for games to come too.

DO NOT GIVE ME THE MAP, I REPEAT, DO NOT GIVE ME THE MAP.

Alright, now that I got the reverse psychology argument out of the way, should we try to coordinate the poll votes, or would that be against the spirit of the game? And would there be a benefit in doing so? I am guessing not much aside from pissing off the mod.

You guys call the mod the host here from what I gather, right?

What is BTSC?

What is Civ or Civilian? Is that like a regular townie?

I asked all the dumb questions too, not to worry.

But I did get a ping from this. Most of this was already discussed, and what isn't just doesn't feel particularly helpful.

If you're gonna toss around accusations at least have the common courtesy to quote where this was "already discussed" so that I can see what you're referring to and shoot down your fake arguments accordingly...

A rather strong reaction to what was a rather tame observation. Wants evidence supporting the accusation but is already dismissing it as a fake argument, therefore backhandedly saying that Quin is scum.

[VOTE: ] aubergine[VOTE:


Don't understand how Quin is reading into Sorsha's posts so strongly. Her responses to JJJ pretty plainly state that she would like for her vote to have given the map to a civ and that she doesn't have reason to suspect at the moment that the other girls are mafia.] aubergine

[VOTE:

I'm a highly defensive player at times. I would say more often than not. I assure you it has zero to do with my alignment. I'm sure those who have played with me can vouche for that, fwiw. I also don't let people get away with BS accusations on me. I would call anyone out who has the audacity to make such a patently fictitious claim about me.] aubergine

[Marmot]

North-east because I like a little of everything.

Lynch: Scotty

His support of me in the map business looked fake. Also I appreciate those who entrusted the map to me, I will do my best to live up the appropriate standard.

I'm sorry it looked fake.

It's because it was.

I voted for INH to receive the map

Cheers, although it was ultimately in vain as I am 100% mapless.

I will say that I dislike very much the fact that three different people all claimed to possess the map. I voted for MM, so his claim at least has some legitimacy in my eyes.

Going into Day 1, 3J and Golden both get the squinty-raised-eyebrow treatment from me. I'm not willing to vote for them yet (as we have 60 GODDAMN HOURS to do so), but I'm gonna be watching their posts.

No map for me

I've never been voted to get anything like that. Maybe one day.

I wouldn't have chosen to say this in a vacuum, but since I already said I didn't get the map...

I did get the map. I was just impatient and assumed the PM had gone elsewhere.

It doesn't feel massively helpful, but it does enable me to turn the compass directions on this poll (and others) into specific locations. If we go to a location that turns out to be favourable, I might be able to help us get back there. It looks like you can't get everywhere from everywhere, though. For now, it's meaningless to me.

Thanks to those who trusted me. It genuinely is the first time I've been elected to get one of these! I assumed it had gone to Jay.

This little flippity flop especially struck me the wrong way.

I appreciate multiple players saying they got the map. It gives less legitimacy to the players who claimed to have it, but at the same time, it protects them.

Additionally, thanks for the vote.

[Marmot]

I'm a highly defensive player at times. I would say more often than not. I assure you it has zero to do with my alignment. I'm sure those who have played with me can vouche for that, fwiw. I also don't let people get away with BS accusations on me. I would call anyone out who has the audacity to make such a patently fictitious claim about me.

My sources tell me you're a fiery HIVE and have teamed up with Strawhenge to take us all down.

What do you have to say to that?

[Fredwood]

I'd say your vendetta is clouding your judgement.

In this case your paranoia is correct, he told me he wanted a new coat.

[sig]

Im here and I want an item so vote to give sig something tonight!

Sig is a good family man who has years of experience in the mafia world and the abilty to ton read better then just about anyone. Furthermore he is trustworthy, compassionate, cool headed, and not a TS insider.

So remember vote sig for an item. Because if he doesn't deserve your trust who does?

this message was paid for by the Items4Sigcampaign please note we do not verify the claims made above nor do we take any responsibility for misguided actions or votes.

[sig]

Alright guys, let's do some GTH reads.

Spoiler: show

Not really, but let's see some that of that beautiful content I know you're packing.

heheheh you said packing.

[sig]

I've recieved 14/21 votes so far and I have 18/21 players checked in

Hours Remaining in the day is ~ less than 30 minutes

Wow those 4 irresponsibly people.

Also thanks for the map, I didn't deserve it, but that never stopped me from wanting things and using varies means to get them.

I wouldn't have chosen to say this in a vacuum, but since I already said I didn't get the map...

I did get the map. I was just impatient and assumed the PM had gone elsewhere.

It doesn't feel massively helpful, but it does enable me to turn the compass directions on this poll (and others) into specific locations. If we go to a location that turns out to be favourable, I might be able to help us get back there. It looks like you can't get everywhere from everywhere, though. For now, it's meaningless to me.

Thanks to those who trusted me. It genuinely is the first time I've been elected to get one of these! I assumed it had gone to Jay.

Sure Golden keep thinking that.

North-east because I like a little of everything.

Lynch: Scotty

His support of me in the map business looked fake. Also I appreciate those who entrusted the map to me, I will do my best to live up the appropriate standard.

Why did it seem fake? Or is this a pure gut thing.

I didn't get the map, but I did learn a valuable lesson.

What lesson did you learn?

you all suck

[JaggedJimmyJay]

INH:

What do you suspect may have been the nefarious motivations for three people (now four) all claiming to have the map? In particular, what worries you about Golden's flip-flop in that discussion?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't take issue with Silver Lantern's defensiveness in response to Quin given that it was a misunderstanding anyway, and I also just generally think "defensiveness" isn't a very interesting tell in the first place. I feel like I see that accusation hurled constantly in Mafia and that it falls flat considerably more often than not. I don't have the hard numbers to prove that theory.

However, SL's content has otherwise been poll and map oriented, which is to say that the hunting content remains limited. That will need to change.

[Golden]

This little flippity flop especially struck me the wrong way.

What am I to do? I said something that was true to me at the time, and then when it was wrong I wanted to correct it.

In the same circumstance, what would you do?

[sig]

This little flippity flop especially struck me the wrong way.

What am I to do? I said something that was true to me at the time, and then when it was wrong I wanted to correct it.

In the same circumstance, what would you do?

I do agree with INH, those posts did seem strange, but would it be something the mafia would do? I don't think so.

[Golden]

This little flippity flop especially struck me the wrong way.

What am I to do? I said something that was true to me at the time, and then when it was wrong I wanted to correct it.

In the same circumstance, what would you do?

I do agree with INH, those posts did seem strange, but would it be something the mafia would do? I don't think so.

What was strange about them?

[sig]

This little flippity flop especially struck me the wrong way.

What am I to do? I said something that was true to me at the time, and then when it was wrong I wanted to correct it.

In the same circumstance, what would you do?

I do agree with INH, those posts did seem strange, but would it be something the mafia would do? I don't think so.

What was strange about them?

The fact you said you didn't have the map then you said you did.

It could have been a PM slip true, but I'm not convinced that's the case. However, I don't see any reason why a mafia member would do this, I view it more as you trying to make it harder to narrow down the map holder and as of right now we have four(?) people claiming the map. Myself, MM, Golden, and JJJ.

So I wouldn't lynch vote you on that and I would find it suspicious for people to use that as a reason to vote for you.

Speaking of voting I should totally get an item tonight. Vote for me then.

Also I voted East since Philadelphia is on a east coast.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I feel okay about sig.

[Dyslexicon]

I feel okay about sig.

I feel ok about my hair.

[Golden]

This little flippity flop especially struck me the wrong way.

What am I to do? I said something that was true to me at the time, and then when it was wrong I wanted to correct it.

In the same circumstance, what would you do?

I do agree with INH, those posts did seem strange, but would it be something the mafia would do? I don't think so.

What was strange about them?

The fact you said you didn't have the map then you said you did.

It could have been a PM slip true, but I'm not convinced that's the case. However, I don't see any reason why a mafia member would do this, I view it more as you trying to make it harder to narrow down the map holder and as of right now we have four(?) people claiming the map. Myself, MM, Golden, and JJJ.

So I wouldn't lynch vote you on that and I would find it suspicious for people to use that as a reason to vote for you.

Speaking of voting I should totally get an item tonight. Vote for me then.

Also I voted East since Philadelphia is on a east coast.

I mean there's two answers right. One answer is that I can't leave something hanging that appears dishonest (even if it was honest at the time) - I wouldn't call this a 'slip', just an unfortunate series of events . The other answer is that I had a tactical epiphany, and realised that I could conceivably provide cover for the real owner (or, even worse, that saying I didn't have it potentially exposed the real owner).

INH, why does it bother you?

[Golden]

Dizzy has no self image problems this game.

[Dyslexicon]

Dizzy has no self image problems this game.

[speedchuck]

There are 159 posts in this thread, and 102 of them belong the last four players to make a post plus the host.

Yeah, that's a thing.
For people like me, this is going to be a lot of catch up reading after the weekends.
I have half a mind to get my mafia buddies to kill all of you gabbers.

Also, I'm fairly sure that it's too late to say that I have the map. But we should definitely go east. We should get no closer to the Yanks.

I swear I'll learn your names and help lynch one of you during the week.

All my love.

[sprityo]

I've recieved 14/21 votes so far and I have 18/21 players checked in

Hours Remaining in the day is ~ less than 30 minutes

Wow those 4 irresponsibly people.

18+4 = 21

or

14+4 = 21

[Marmot]

I've recieved 14/21 votes so far and I have 18/21 players checked in

Hours Remaining in the day is ~ less than 30 minutes

Wow those 4 irresponsibly people.

18+4 = 21

or

14+4 = 21

Back to your studies sig!

[Dyslexicon]

Oh hey. Thus begins paranoia. I remember this feeling. :')

No.

Damn it, I didn't realize that the map votes are by pm.

So far we only have two non-self-nominations for getting the map. Golden for Jay, speedchuck for Quin, and I'm already wary of both of them. But this is Day 0; I'm wary of everything.

My kneejerk is to say that Jay should have the map, because if he's town, I trust him to make good use of it. But that's kneejerk.

I can honestly say that I will likely only be able to get on once a day this weekend, so I shouldn't get the map. Not if I infer correctly that having it would require me to be on more than possible. (Again, that's only for this weekend, I'll be on more after that.)

No.

Can we just use Google-Maps instead?

I was going to make this joke. >:(

My body. It's ready.

Dyslexicon, in our scrimmage game last April you were a townie. You started the game with a decent flurry of activity. This time you have declared that your body is ready and then gone *poof*.

Why?

Cause my bf has been visiting me this weekend. Didn't vote for anyone to get the map either, cause I didn't read the game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anything else you want to have a heart to heart about? I can self-meta myself and tell you stories from when I was young while we braid each other's hair.

I already know that there's a difference between our perceptions of what Sorsha was saying, but I'll explain anyway.

1. I think Sorsha's post about giving the map to a woman was entirely fluff. Not serious. A gimmick that is only saying 'We are women, so give it to us.' Not 'these girls and I are civ, so give it to us.'
2. Confirming civ-reads doesn't fit, because the post itself was a gimmick.

I agree with this. JJJ's way of making it a thing is:

---

There's too many players to keep track of. Please hurry up and die. I don't really have reads cause aintnobodygottimeforethat.
But:

Lynch: JJJ

Too many words. I need quiet to meditate.

[Long Con]

Hello, I'm back, and I'm skim-caught-up. I totally have the map as well. I'm seeing Candy Mountain to the East, so I'm going to vote there!

I think INH has the wrong idea about multi-map-claiming. I also think maybe claiming it at all was the wrong idea. If there's more items coming down the pipe, then what do y'all think of just having no one claim they got it. Wouldn't that be the best way to keep the recipient safe from nightkills? Just a thought. Maybe there's no need for elaborate deceptions if everyone just stays quiet about their item.

I assume there will be less "campaigning" for item votes as the game moves along - people will just vote for whoever they trust, since there will me content to trust by.

[Golden]

LC, the benefit is that it allows an item owner to get info into the thread.

[Silver Lantern]

I'm a highly defensive player at times. I would say more often than not. I assure you it has zero to do with my alignment. I'm sure those who have played with me can vouche for that, fwiw. I also don't let people get away with BS accusations on me. I would call anyone out who has the audacity to make such a patently fictitious claim about me.

My sources tell me you're a fiery HIVE and have teamed up with Strawhenge to take us all down.

What do you have to say to that?

Alright now I'm just being baited...

[Silver Lantern]

I don't take issue with Silver Lantern's defensiveness in response to Quin given that it was a misunderstanding anyway, and I also just generally think "defensiveness" isn't a very interesting tell in the first place. I feel like I see that accusation hurled constantly in Mafia and that it falls flat considerably more often than not. I don't have the hard numbers to prove that theory.

However, SL's content has otherwise been poll and map oriented, which is to say that the hunting content remains limited. That will need to change.

Believe me I intend for that to change. It's the main reason I signed up to play on here. Now whether it will take me 2 games, 5 games, or 20 games to figure out, is another thing altogether. On HCRealms, it took me like a year to even figure out my play style and get a good grasp on things. I imagine because of my exposure already the learning curve will be rather shallow.

[Silver Lantern]

I am expecting the mafia will not vote as a block, at least not early.

That brings to mind, are the poll results stored anywhere or do I need to do a screenshot to retain that info?

[Silver Lantern]

I am expecting the mafia will not vote as a block, at least not early.

That brings to mind, are the poll results stored anywhere or do I need to do a screenshot to retain that info?

"Vote on the Polls as a block," I should say.

[Silver Lantern]

Is there a way to multiquote?

[Golden]

Is there a way to multiquote?

Not easily, but when you're on the reply screen, the last 50 posts or so will be below the box you type into, and you can use that to multiquote any of those.

Alternatively, use tabs and cut and paste (that's what I usually end up doing).

[insertnamehere]

INH:

What do you suspect may have been the nefarious motivations for three people (now four) all claiming to have the map? In particular, what worries you about Golden's flip-flop in that discussion?

I feel like the reason is patently obvious: to control the conversation and influence where people go. I don't think it's too big of a leap to think that the mafia has info about certain destinations leading to certain effects. I could see at the very least one scummeister fake-claiming just to gain credibility.



3 out of the 4 top posters have claimed to have special info, and we know only one is telling the truth. That's enough to make me start to sweat a little about some possible misleading.

As far as Golden's flippity-floppity is concerned, if he was being honest about the chain of events, I would have done the same thing. It's just not something I'm prepared to take at face value right off the bat, when he could be lying, once again, for credibility or because someone in BTSC advised him to change up his story.

I'm not calling it a slip-up, but it is as Golden said, a series of unfortunate events. I'm just open to the possibility of it being a fictional one.

[Long Con]

I'm not calling it a slip-up, but it is as Golden said, a series of unfortunate events. I'm just open to the possibility of it being a fictional one.

I'm going to have to ask you to cease and desist using that trademarked name!

Golden said "an unfortunate series of events".

[Golden]

I'm not calling it a slip-up, but it is as Golden said, a series of unfortunate events. I'm just open to the possibility of it being a fictional one.

I think you have a tendency to suspect me, but here is a golden rule you can trust me to live by.

Even when bad, I lie very very rarely. I don't create fictional stories. I heavily discourage teammates from doing it as well. Why? Because all it can do is lead to you getting caught in the lie. It's just a really poor strategy. There's a reason my baddie game is relatively successful, and it's because I leave as few threads to tug on as I possibly can.

Lies are reserved for things that can create a significant game advantage (and even then, you need to feel like its a safe lie), or for fake reads.

Having said that, I do see the advantage in lying to protect others from nks, as a civilian.

[insertnamehere]

I have no problem with people lying in order to protect the person with the actual map.

The part I have a problem with is fake-claimers taking votes away from the person with the REAL map, causing us to go places we don't want to go.

[insertnamehere]

MM, Golden, and 3J all want us to go to a different destination.

Only one of them will benefit the civilians (assuming whoever has the map is a civilian).

That's a problem.

[Golden]

I have no problem with people lying in order to protect the person with the actual map.

The part I have a problem with is fake-claimers taking votes away from the person with the REAL map, causing us to go places we don't want to go.

I can appreciate that. I pledge not to use my position (whether or not I am the honest holder) to direct, but to inform.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I understand now, INH. I think that'll sort itself out well enough as players determine who they trust, because even in a world where only one person made this claim there'd be no objective reason to trust them -- their possession of the map and their alignment aren't necessary agreeable.

I have the map. Those who believe that I have the civilians' best interests at heart can follow my lead. Those that don't should say so and we can talk about that. Otherwise, we forge on.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think Golden's intentions seem honest in this dynamic and I have no issue with him. Marmot's claim came first, and I appreciate the expedience of his cover. So my early attentions are largely to be directed elsewhere.

Scotty's reception of my poo fling was rather smarmy. That isn't ideal.

Dyslexicon's reception of my poo fling was to return fire. In terms of personality that's actually closer to what was seen in the scrimmage.

I am already getting the impression that there are some nigh-silent baddies happening in here.