Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

#2081

Sloonei wrote:I dunno. Scarce, but the posts themselves look alright. Am I missing something? I feel like there should be more here.

I think the MM-Long Con connections are more in MM's posts? If that's what you're referring to, "missing something". Ask JJJ and nutella, they are the ones with the suspicion.

As for scarcity... I think three connections is probably more than I have with most players. I'm not the most prolific poster so far.

#2082

The following is a complete compilation of all interactions between Metalmarsh and Scotty in the game of Phenom Mafia:

Spoiler: show

So um.
unvote jackofhearts, I think? Am I still voting for him?

vote Scotty

#2083

Sloonei wrote:So what changed between your PoE list and your "no reason to town read" list?

Time passed. In the immediate aftermath of the map claims I gave Marmot a bit of a berth, and then as his posts went nowhere from that point I progressively cared less about that. Marmot was in my PoE originally anyway, I deliberately didn't list him because of said map. That's what I was trying to nudge to Nacho when he asked me.

Anyway, that one point where I gave the "nullest of null" reads on Marmot should clue y'all in that I am not his teammate. I am literally the guy who analyzes the hell out of dead scum interactions in every game I play, and that means I am very well-versed in what sells and what does not. I don't give you a useless waffle on my teammate because that does nothing to benefit me or my team -- it only leaves me open to answering questions like this later. I know better. Take it or leave it I guess.

I don't follow Jack at all in the bus driver discussion. I don't see why there's any reason to assume anything about either Fred's or my alignment. The most basic value of a re-directing role is that it prevents the civilians from handling the night phase the way they want to -- it promotes a chaotic information environment. There are a ton of different theories one could apply to Marmot's purported actions, assuming he is responsible for the target discrepancy Golden has reported, that work out for three of the four possible alignment arrangements between Fredwood and I. Town-Town, Mafia-Town, and Town-Mafia. The only one that I'd struggle to see a scenario for is Mafia-Mafia, not counting my own inherent knowledge of my alignment. Because I am me, I am generally a likely target for whatever. Doctors love to protect me, jailers love to jail me, cops love to ID me, watchers love to watch me, etc. Shit, in recent memory even vigilantes love to shoot me. Bus driving me with anyone is by default a near-sure means of making certain the role has value that night, because someone's JJJ target will get screwed up.

Even if you're discussing the matter of a cop, the idea still holds in a Town-Town scenario. The scum would stand to lose a lot if I am confirmed town by a cop, because I am a much more potent threat when I am not hindered by accusations (see: Turf Wars, Mad Max, and the latter half of ROTTK). By swapping me with a different townie a less threatening ID is assured. And that's only for a cop, which is already a speculative thing.

At the end of the day we're still talking about Marmot, perhaps the player on this roster least inclined toward actual strategy. He does whatever he wants on a whim.

#2084

Sloonei wrote:Assignment #2 is complete.

Remember when I said this?:
Sloonei wrote:A note: When I've caught Scotty as scum before, it's been for contradictions and inconsistencies in his behavior.
Well...

I'll reiterate an initial part of my beef with Scotty because I don't know if he's given it a proper response yet:
Scotty wrote:I see I missed a lot in being gone from the thread. I'm real busy y'all, Donny participation is highly dragging on all fronts going forward.

I'm caught up, and realize that this is why I prefer to vote no-shows on day 1. I'm not sure who's bad. I thought Nutella was playing the fences early on with her first few posts, but I like her recent posts. The golden thing seems like a pretty good place to continue down I guess.

Not liking Wilgy's entrance. Any time he plays the WIFOM card my eyebrow twitches. Both he and MM.

I see the slip as what it was: a slip. Going to continue to defend me voting Dys. Could be difference in culture, but I don't like the bait tactics and choose to believe it were really that easy to bait a response out of someone with an "obvious" fakeslip, it's just as easy to scumslip.
If Scotty earnestly believes that Dyslexicon slipped on Day 1, why is he also lamenting the problem that he can never tell who's bad on Day 1? If that was a slip, isn't it plain as day that Dyslexicon is bad?

What do you have to say to this, Scotty? I'm interested in hearing what your thought process was when you made this post, if that's something your memory even has access to. You've dismissed it, I think, but not in a way that actually addresses it, unless I'm misremembering things.

#2085

My brain is fried and any more analysis I provide will be half-assed, so I'm calling it a night on that front. I'll still be around, but I'm done digging through posts now. I owe Scotty another thorough ISO in the morning, but I've also got a long day of work tomorrow. I won't have a ton of time to do things here.

#2086

Sloonei wrote:The following is a complete compilation of all interactions between Metalmarsh and Scotty in the game of Phenom Mafia:
Spoiler: show
So um.
unvote jackofhearts, I think? Am I still voting for him?

vote Scotty

#2087

I've done more cramming since I joined this game than I did in 5 years of college.

#2088

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:So what changed between your PoE list and your "no reason to town read" list?
Time passed. In the immediate aftermath of the map claims I gave Marmot a bit of a berth, and then as his posts went nowhere from that point I progressively cared less about that. Marmot was in my PoE originally anyway, I deliberately didn't list him because of said map. That's what I was trying to nudge to Nacho when he asked me.

Anyway, that one point where I gave the "nullest of null" reads on Marmot should clue y'all in that I am not his teammate. I am literally the guy who analyzes the hell out of dead scum interactions in every game I play, and that means I am very well-versed in what sells and what does not. I don't give you a useless waffle on my teammate because that does nothing to benefit me or my team -- it only leaves me open to answering questions like this later. I know better. Take it or leave it I guess.

I don't follow Jack at all in the bus driver discussion. I don't see why there's any reason to assume anything about either Fred's or my alignment. The most basic value of a re-directing role is that it prevents the civilians from handling the night phase the way they want to -- it promotes a chaotic information environment. There are a ton of different theories one could apply to Marmot's purported actions, assuming he is responsible for the target discrepancy Golden has reported, that work out for three of the four possible alignment arrangements between Fredwood and I. Town-Town, Mafia-Town, and Town-Mafia. The only one that I'd struggle to see a scenario for is Mafia-Mafia, not counting my own inherent knowledge of my alignment. Because I am me, I am generally a likely target for whatever. Doctors love to protect me, jailers love to jail me, cops love to ID me, watchers love to watch me, etc. Shit, in recent memory even vigilantes love to shoot me. Bus driving me with anyone is by default a near-sure means of making certain the role has value that night, because someone's JJJ target will get screwed up.

Even if you're discussing the matter of a cop, the idea still holds in a Town-Town scenario. The scum would stand to lose a lot if I am confirmed town by a cop, because I am a much more potent threat when I am not hindered by accusations (see: Turf Wars, Mad Max, and the latter half of ROTTK). By swapping me with a different townie a less threatening ID is assured. And that's only for a cop, which is already a speculative thing.

At the end of the day we're still talking about Marmot, perhaps the player on this roster least inclined toward actual strategy. He does whatever he wants on a whim.

meh

#2089

I want to shift the focus of all the discussion onto Scotty. Everyone talk about Scotty. I command it.

#2090

These were the two Marmot things about Long Con that I took note of during my quick skim:

Spoiler: show

Right now I am more inclined to shrug. It's not material that screams teammates; it just has that chummy feel that sometimes seems to happen early, particularly on Marmot scum teams. The second post is a little facilitator that might provide LC with an avenue to defend himself, something I know scummers hate to lack.

I wouldn't lynch LC for this stuff. I was more hoping someone else could look deeper into the interaction and see what comes up.

#2091

I cannot wait for Sloonei to get to me, because I'm pretty sure all I've talked about with marmot is fluff.

#2092

Quin wrote:meh

Remember that time I POE'd the civilians down to the Dom/Quin dichotomy that defined the double-LyLo?

Remember when you killed me before I could finish you off?

You played a great game though obviously. This post might be OT but whatever.

#2093

Quin wrote:I cannot wait for Sloonei to get to me, because I'm pretty sure all I've talked about with marmot is fluff.

I clicked on your ISO, did one quick Ctrl + F, and left.

#2094

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:meh
Remember that time I POE'd the civilians down to the Dom/Quin dichotomy that defined the double-LyLo?

Remember when you killed me before I could finish you off?

You played a great game though obviously. This post might be OT but whatever.

I'm pretty sure I killed you because you were the doctor. Not 100 percent sure what my reason was. Won't deny getting rid of you just for the sake of it was part of it, though.

#2095

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:I cannot wait for Sloonei to get to me, because I'm pretty sure all I've talked about with marmot is fluff.
I clicked on your ISO, did one quick Ctrl + F, and left.

Appropriate.

#2096

Sloonei wrote:I want to shift the focus of all the discussion onto Scotty. Everyone talk about Scotty. I command it.

I have no reason to town read him. I don't know that a blank interactive analysis necessarily means he's evil since I do see those often with civilians when I take on the same workload.

But there's nothing in his posts that I have seen that say to me "oh, there's civilian Scotty". I'd lynch him. He actually just gave me shit for my tracker claim not being accountable when I believe he soft claimed exactly something very early in the game. I don't know what it was. Did that ever become a hard claim? I haven't read everything.

#2097

I still have a residual town read on LoRab every time I see her thanks to Mad Max. I could see her walking down the street and I'd let everyone around me know that she's definitely town.

#2098

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I want to shift the focus of all the discussion onto Scotty. Everyone talk about Scotty. I command it.
I have no reason to town read him. I don't know that a blank interactive analysis necessarily means he's evil since I do see those often with civilians when I take on the same workload.

But there's nothing in his posts that I have seen that say to me "oh, there's civilian Scotty". I'd lynch him. He actually just gave me shit for my tracker claim not being accountable when I believe he soft claimed exactly something very early in the game. I don't know what it was. Did that ever become a hard claim? I haven't read everything.

Some of us threatened him with votes yesterday and he said he could verify his something claim in the night if we'd just leave him alive, and then when the thread opened back up on Day 3 he said "aw phooey, i was blocked."

#2099

I feel alright about Scotty. I put him in my GTH civ list because of my suspicion of Sloonei.

I have nothing else to say about him.

#2100

Sloonei is my top town read short of nutella.

#2101

Sloonei wrote:I still have a residual town read on LoRab every time I see her thanks to Mad Max. I could see her walking down the street and I'd let everyone around me know that she's definitely town.

I was thinking about how she tied it at EoD the other day. I thought about how beautiful it would have been if the roles were reversed and she was bad while pulling that stunt.

#2102

I just started scrolling through Scotty's Day 3 posts. He said this initially:

Scotty wrote:Them MM voters lookin real good right now by the by

Well done on catching him y'all

And then went on a tirade against the two people who hammered on metalmarsh.

#2103

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I still have a residual town read on LoRab every time I see her thanks to Mad Max. I could see her walking down the street and I'd let everyone around me know that she's definitely town.
I was thinking about how she tied it at EoD the other day. I thought about how beautiful it would have been if the roles were reversed and she was bad while pulling that stunt.

I remember that thought crossing my mind at a certain point too. Nothing was impossible in that game.

#2104

Sloonei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I want to shift the focus of all the discussion onto Scotty. Everyone talk about Scotty. I command it.
I have no reason to town read him. I don't know that a blank interactive analysis necessarily means he's evil since I do see those often with civilians when I take on the same workload.

But there's nothing in his posts that I have seen that say to me "oh, there's civilian Scotty". I'd lynch him. He actually just gave me shit for my tracker claim not being accountable when I believe he soft claimed exactly something very early in the game. I don't know what it was. Did that ever become a hard claim? I haven't read everything.
Some of us threatened him with votes yesterday and he said he could verify his something claim in the night if we'd just leave him alive, and then when the thread opened back up on Day 3 he said "aw phooey, i was blocked."

If double targeting isn't a thing, I'd recommend giving him another shot and if he fails to deliver...

#2105

Scotty wrote:Oh, and this:
speedchuck wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
speedchuck wrote:
Silver Lantern wrote:Okay I've sat on this long enough that we've seen people comment on Wigly and others avoid doing so, despite my request.

I killed Wigly, and unfortunately he was town. Sorry Wigly, but there was really nothing constructive at all from you on D1 when I ISOed you and i figured after Sig turned up town that taking out another suspicious D1 player would give us the most info on the reads of others towards you D1 as I was really hoping I was right about you being scum.
There goes the pants.

I don't know exactly what you are claiming, but would you please clarify:
Did you get Wigly's entire role, or just alignment?

I would ask, if this is a one-shot ability (a question on its own), why did you use it on day one? But I feel like any answer to that question would provide more value to mafia than town. I say this as a person used to power-claims. Please don't answer these latter questions unless you have a very good reason for doing so.

For the record, I tentatively believe Silver Lantern on this one.
If you believe Silver, why are you fishing for more info about his role?
I'm fishing for Wilgy's role. You know, the dead guy. I feel like that much info would be valuable to town, should it be provided.
I feel like info related to the one-shottedness of SL's role or role-related reasons for killing D1 (which I wouldn't do as a vig) would be of negative value to town. This is the conclusion I came to, based on my time playing. I can further explain my reasoning, should it be required, but I don't think that's your point.

If you disagree, please say so before he replies, and explain why. And if SL disagrees (having more information than I do), then he can ignore me. Edit before posting: As he (apparently) did.
That's beneficial to both parties and you know it.

So you agree that it would be beneficial to town?

#2106

Quin wrote:If double targeting isn't a thing, I'd recommend giving him another shot and if he fails to deliver...

If double targeting is a thing, he can get roleblocked again. Lynch or don't, there are no hall passes.

#2107

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:If double targeting isn't a thing, I'd recommend giving him another shot and if he fails to deliver...
If double targeting is a thing, he can get roleblocked again. Lynch or don't, there are no hall passes.

If that's the case. It's not explicitly said in the rules.

#2108

Scotty is back to the top of my still-incomplete list of suspects. I say we lynch him today, unless things change.

#2109

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:If double targeting isn't a thing, I'd recommend giving him another shot and if he fails to deliver...
If double targeting is a thing, he can get roleblocked again. Lynch or don't, there are no hall passes.
If that's the case. It's not explicitly said in the rules.

I misunderstood you anyway, nevermind. Anyway I still don't like to give people time to "prove" roles, especially if they don't prove alignment. Scotty should talk further about which of those things he can prove.

#2110

Quin wrote:I feel alright about Scotty. I put him in my GTH civ list because of my suspicion of Sloonei.

I have nothing else to say about him.

Do you still suspect me?

#2111

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:I feel alright about Scotty. I put him in my GTH civ list because of my suspicion of Sloonei.

I have nothing else to say about him.
Do you still suspect me?

Don't know. I want to ask you some more stuff but I don't want to lead you on.

#2112

Gotta go again, and I may not have any chances to vote tomorrow. I haven't felt good about Scotty all game so I'll do that now:

Vote Scotty

I encourage y'all to maintain a productive dialogue though; no hammers allowed.

#2113

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:I feel alright about Scotty. I put him in my GTH civ list because of my suspicion of Sloonei.

I have nothing else to say about him.
Do you still suspect me?
Don't know. I want to ask you some more stuff but I don't want to lead you on.

Ask things!

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2114

Golden wrote:There was something else fishy with it as well, and I feel like I've now put myself in the position where I have to be open, which I didn't really want to be, but here goes...

I'm a watcher. I watched Jay. If marmot did what you guys are suggesting and swapped fred and jay, I should have gotten 'golden targeted fred' but I didn't. I wasn't showing as watching fred, despite the fact the results I got were for Fred. I got that no-one was targeting Fred.

It should be noted that last night I was showing as targeting the player I watched. So I've since had that confirmation.

It was a baffling result for me. I still haven't figured it out. But it isn't entirely explained by the marmot role, even if that is part of what happened.

Golden wrote:"As the Busdriver, you may target two targets, actions affecting each targets are switched"

OK, I've checked with sprit, but looking at this again, I can see how I might be still seen as 'targeting jay' as it's just my action that is switched and not my target. That makes sense.

Huh. This is bizarre and confusing but ok.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: If you didn't get MM, he didn't busdrive Fred with JJJ. You were misdirected by someone targeting you or JJJ was nexused.

But wait. I was confused about this as well. I was wondering why you wouldn't have seen that MM targeted Fred. But then I thought it might be justified by the nature of the busdriver role. Like, picking two targets to switch wouldn't show up as targeting, because its purpose is to switch who's targeted. It operates on a different level. Maybe? Idk, it could make sense to me as being like this. A "host intricacy" as LC says.

#2115

Or simply express your concerns, if you're worried about leading. I assure you that I am town.

this was @ quin. hello nutella, tell me what you think of Scotty.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2116

Aaand I see that Quin already mentioned that possibility (though seemed to hardly entertain it). But anyway I'm still a little behind.

But I just saw Sloonei's review of JJJ/Marmot interactions and it was fascinating. There's some fishiness in there for sure.

I am not feeling super great about JJJ right now based on that. I'll have to look into him more because there were some solid reasons I've kept a town read on him (one that comes to mind is the not wanting to kill Nacho thing, even for WIFOM, but

)

#2117

Oh yeah. I voted north-west because

#2118

which direction did we go yesterday? i was too stoked on the marmot lynch to check.

#2119

@JJJ

I can go over it again but I'd rather not. Doesn't seem worth discussing.

It's damn near impossible for Marmot to have been behind Golden being misdirected from you to Fred.

I don't think you needed to claim but since you're now (assuming you are telling the truth) vanilla, I don't see much harm in it. I already assumed you were some sort of tracker but you could have maintained the illusion of still having a power, which is probably how I would have played it. You'd be surprised how many players will admit to targeting deaders if they think they were tracked.

I could Vote Scotty

Having to do a full reset on Quin and JJJ. Too many assumptions were made today. They'd be good ISO targets.

Still not a fan of Speed's. Don't like Marmot defending Eloh from me, earlier. Not a bunch of reason to weigh in on her if she's town. Might be reaching.

Would love to hear from INH on someone besides Sloonei.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2120

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:One thing I've picked up on in this ambitious exercise: Dyslexicon is the towniest player in the game based solely on Metalmarsh's ISO.
I disagree. I am the ultimate townie. No townie has ever towned as town as I am towning in this game.

So far I've been getting all the love

Hey, at least I voted for the confirmed baddie

#2121

nutella wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:One thing I've picked up on in this ambitious exercise: Dyslexicon is the towniest player in the game based solely on Metalmarsh's ISO.
I disagree. I am the ultimate townie. No townie has ever towned as town as I am towning in this game.

So far I've been getting all the love Hey, at least I voted for the confirmed baddie

You're the towniest player in the game based solely on the posts in this thread.

#2122

@Nut

Just about every HCRealms have had a watcher (reverse tracker) and a busdriver.

I've never seen a busdriver ignore watchers or trackers before. I see no reason to assume it would here.

#2123

What reason is there to read speedchuck as bad? He's in my top tier of town reads at this point.

#2124

Sloonei wrote:What reason is there to read speedchuck as bad? He's in my top tier of town reads at this point.

Fishing, mostly. Scotty made a fair accusatory post against him but since I don't trust Scotty.

I think the amount of culture clash I'm having with him makes my brain want him to be scum. I don't even remember Scotty's arguement that well.

#2125

Fred, what are you thinking? Who is scum? Who is town?

Don't be neutral. I will give you slack later for ill conceived arguments as long as you actually make some reads.

It'll be good for you.

#2126

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:What reason is there to read speedchuck as bad? He's in my top tier of town reads at this point.
Fishing, mostly. Scotty made a fair accusatory post against him but since I don't trust Scotty.

I think the amount of culture clash I'm having with him makes my brain want him to be scum. I don't even remember Scotty's arguement that well.

I glanced over some of Scotty's points and agreed with none of them, but I am conditioned to read Scotty as bad right now.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2127

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:So what changed between your PoE list and your "no reason to town read" list?
Time passed. In the immediate aftermath of the map claims I gave Marmot a bit of a berth, and then as his posts went nowhere from that point I progressively cared less about that. Marmot was in my PoE originally anyway, I deliberately didn't list him because of said map. That's what I was trying to nudge to Nacho when he asked me.

Anyway, that one point where I gave the "nullest of null" reads on Marmot should clue y'all in that I am not his teammate. I am literally the guy who analyzes the hell out of dead scum interactions in every game I play, and that means I am very well-versed in what sells and what does not. I don't give you a useless waffle on my teammate because that does nothing to benefit me or my team -- it only leaves me open to answering questions like this later. I know better. Take it or leave it I guess.

I don't follow Jack at all in the bus driver discussion. I don't see why there's any reason to assume anything about either Fred's or my alignment. The most basic value of a re-directing role is that it prevents the civilians from handling the night phase the way they want to -- it promotes a chaotic information environment. There are a ton of different theories one could apply to Marmot's purported actions, assuming he is responsible for the target discrepancy Golden has reported, that work out for three of the four possible alignment arrangements between Fredwood and I. Town-Town, Mafia-Town, and Town-Mafia. The only one that I'd struggle to see a scenario for is Mafia-Mafia, not counting my own inherent knowledge of my alignment. Because I am me, I am generally a likely target for whatever. Doctors love to protect me, jailers love to jail me, cops love to ID me, watchers love to watch me, etc. Shit, in recent memory even vigilantes love to shoot me. Bus driving me with anyone is by default a near-sure means of making certain the role has value that night, because someone's JJJ target will get screwed up.

Even if you're discussing the matter of a cop, the idea still holds in a Town-Town scenario. The scum would stand to lose a lot if I am confirmed town by a cop, because I am a much more potent threat when I am not hindered by accusations (see: Turf Wars, Mad Max, and the latter half of ROTTK). By swapping me with a different townie a less threatening ID is assured. And that's only for a cop, which is already a speculative thing.

At the end of the day we're still talking about Marmot, perhaps the player on this roster least inclined toward actual strategy. He does whatever he wants on a whim.

Was this post supposed to make me feel better about you? Because it didn't. Especially the highlighted paragraph.

Sloonei wrote:The following is a complete compilation of all interactions between Metalmarsh and Scotty in the game of Phenom Mafia:
Spoiler: show
So um.
unvote jackofhearts, I think? Am I still voting for him?

vote Scotty

Dang. Interesting.

Tbh I have still been tempted to townread Scotty though. Partially because of the role claim, even though he conveniently claimed to be blocked and couldn't prove it. The fact that he was hinting at something from the very beginning of the game makes me want to believe him. And I've had other towny feelings from him in general. So the null marmot interaction is not enough to sway me on him.

Sloonei wrote:I just started scrolling through Scotty's Day 3 posts. He said this initially:
Scotty wrote:Them MM voters lookin real good right now by the by

Well done on catching him y'all
And then went on a tirade against the two people who hammered on metalmarsh.

BUT this is suspicious as hell.

#2128

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
speedchuck wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
speedchuck wrote:
insertnamehere wrote: What about if we just go ahead and lynch Dys, then you can figure out me and Marmot's alignment?
What is I think you're all three town ATM
I don't understand.

Your last rainbow says otherwise.
Some things have changes since my last rainbow.

If you two are scum (yes you are lumped together), you have GIGANTIC BALLS to be pulling all of this. TBH, I almost think I'm wrong about Dizzy now. Almost. Not quite.

I can hardly keep up with the posts right now.

Scotty is my most confident read too.
SL, I believe you now because of the reveal that you have more vigs. Falsifiable and unbalanced as scum. Good for my read, bad for your survivability. Protectives take note. Wish you hadn't said that.
God, I hate this post.

Speed: Silver, please tell me all your powers and Wigly's too.
Silver: No
JoH: You's scummy for asking, Speed
Speed: No, I need to know cause what if Silver is scum even though I think he's town.
Silver: Here's more about my role.
Speed: Oh, golly. Wish you hadn't said that.

Just when I was starting to think I was tunneling.

Probably more juicy stuff from EOD yesterday but I couldn't let this go.

Probably more juicy stuff related to Silver, too. His death makes sense. First mafia kill that does. Possibly, scum was afraid he was gonna shoot them soon. Worth looking into.

Catching up.

Reread ALL of my actual posts. It'll make sense.

Or, for the lazy: I asked something specific, not related to whether Silver had multiple kills. Did not want him to say if he had multiple kills specifically, as that makes him die. It made him die.
I asked if he had more info on dead guy. This is unrelated to what he revealed about killing the next night. (Which was apparently a lie anyway, but the kind of lie that paints a target on your face)

This is where I am, still catching up

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2129

@Sloonei: I had some thoughts on speedchuck here that gave me pause about him, even though I'd mostly been reading him as town almost to the same extent that you are. In your post about him you get up to his ISOish post about Marmot and just stop there, but what interested me was his waffling after that point.

#2130

speedchuck wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
speedchuck wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
speedchuck wrote:
insertnamehere wrote: What about if we just go ahead and lynch Dys, then you can figure out me and Marmot's alignment?
What is I think you're all three town ATM
I don't understand.

Your last rainbow says otherwise.
Some things have changes since my last rainbow.

If you two are scum (yes you are lumped together), you have GIGANTIC BALLS to be pulling all of this. TBH, I almost think I'm wrong about Dizzy now. Almost. Not quite.

I can hardly keep up with the posts right now.

Scotty is my most confident read too.
SL, I believe you now because of the reveal that you have more vigs. Falsifiable and unbalanced as scum. Good for my read, bad for your survivability. Protectives take note. Wish you hadn't said that.
God, I hate this post.

Speed: Silver, please tell me all your powers and Wigly's too.
Silver: No
JoH: You's scummy for asking, Speed
Speed: No, I need to know cause what if Silver is scum even though I think he's town.
Silver: Here's more about my role.
Speed: Oh, golly. Wish you hadn't said that.

Just when I was starting to think I was tunneling.

Probably more juicy stuff from EOD yesterday but I couldn't let this go.

Probably more juicy stuff related to Silver, too. His death makes sense. First mafia kill that does. Possibly, scum was afraid he was gonna shoot them soon. Worth looking into.
Catching up.

Reread ALL of my actual posts. It'll make sense.

Or, for the lazy: I asked something specific, not related to whether Silver had multiple kills. Did not want him to say if he had multiple kills specifically, as that makes him die. It made him die.
I asked if he had more info on dead guy. This is unrelated to what he revealed about killing the next night. (Which was apparently a lie anyway, but the kind of lie that paints a target on your face)

This is where I am, still catching up

You should probably catch up all the way.

Cause like...you might say something stupid if you don't. I've heard of that happening to some people.

How would you Rate this game?