Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]

[juliets]

RIP Golden, we are really going to miss you

[Canucklehead]

WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.

Why?

Because you have been wishy washy about everything all game and not really invested in finding baddies. Then out of no where you really want to lynch Vomps.

Nah. I was pretty wishy washy on wanting to lynch Vomps, actually.

[Epignosis]

So APerson and Bass_the_Clever switched roles. Interesting.

[Bass_the_Clever]

RIP Golden.

[fingersplints]

golden

[thellama73]

Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.

[Marmot]

Enrique. Turnip Head

Daddy's back.

[Epignosis]

Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.

So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!

[Marmot]

Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.

So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!

Who used to be a sockface.

[Bass_the_Clever]

Well this might be the first game I trust MM since monopoly. lol

[Epignosis]

Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.

So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!

Who used to be a sockface.

I hate being one-upped. Unless I'm Mario.

[Epignosis]

And I'm not. Because I'm fucking KIRBY LAZY SACK OF SHIT.

[Tangrowth]

[thellama73]

Where to, Kid?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:27:02 pm

Archer Ave.
5
Bass_the_Clever (5), Long Con (14), rabbit8 (16), DisgruntledPorcupine (17), Black Rock (20)
24%

Clark St.
1
fingersplints (3)
5%

Dearborn St.
1
S~V~S (7)
5%

Randolph St.
2
LizKeen (10), Canucklehead (21)
10%

State St.
1
Vompatti (9)
5%

Van Buren St.
6
birdwithteeth11 (6), Bullzeye (11), juliets (12), DFaraday (13), Elohcin (18), Epignosis (19)
29%

Wabash Ave.
1
Turnip Head (8)
5%

22nd St.
2
Golden (2), Dom (15)
10%

Milwaukee - Berlin of the West (Host/Mod/Dead/NP)
2
thellama73 (1), Metalmarsh89 (4)
10%


Total votes : 21

[rabbit8]

WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.

Why?

Because you have been wishy washy about everything all game and not really invested in finding baddies. Then out of no where you really want to lynch Vomps.

Nah. I was pretty wishy washy on wanting to lynch Vomps, actually.

Oh I'm sorry. Who posted this then:

I thought Epi's case on LK was....not convincing, but I'm not sure why a bad Epi would push so hard against a player so early....considering a vote there.
LC is LC and I have no particular reason to think he's bad right now, but I don't know if I've ever read LC correctly. I'm not voting there unless something really compelling comes up.

That's all you have to say about Epig? What about other cases that have been made against him?

Yes, that is all I have to say about Epi right now. None of the cases brought against him have stuck in my mind enough for me to comment on them.

You don't find it suspicious that Epignosis would ignore what he knows about MM and BR and instead go for the easy lynch of Metalmarsh? What he knew should have led him to believe Metalmarsh was being framed, except the thing is, Epig was doing the framing. Not to mention, the italicized portion sounds suspiciously like what LizKeen heard through the ear tubes, AND it sounds like something Epig would say. Cocky and believing people can be easily led.

I want to understand why no one else can see this. Is it that they don't believe that Epig knew that it was VERY unlikely that Metalmarsh would kill BR on Night one for the third or fourth time in recent history? I did quote something in my original case that clearly indicated that Epig was involved - Donner Mafia, Epig tells MM that he killed him for BR. And believe me when I say that I know every detail of this subject due to BR being my wife. I know what happened, what Epig knows, how MM felt about it. This is the truth, I just need enough people to see it and understand what it means.

I didn't say I didn't find it suspicious, I said the case didn't stick in my head. Which is true. Nothing is sticking in me head right now, because my entire brain is utterly saturated with crippling anxiety and fear of failure because I have a career-defining series of examinations beginning in two weeks.

But now that you've very kindly reiterated your points: I mean, I guess what you're seeing as damning isn't quite as evocative to me. I'll take your word for it that the whole MM/BR rivalry is something that Epi is aware of, even acutely so. I guess where I don't quite buy your argument is that knowing that MM would be very unlikely to kill BR does not mean that other people on MM's team might have overruled him. I mean, obviously this WASN'T the case (since MM was good), but prior to that revelation I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for someone to simultaneously believe that MM would not personally vote to kill BR, but could still be a member of a team that would do so.
I guess maybe because I'm not as intimately involved with the details and intricacies of the BR/MM/Epi triangle that his willingness to vote MM just didn't set off alarms bells like it does for you. But I'm not discounting your assertion here, it's just not one I would have come to on my own. I actually also feel uneasy about Epi, so your insights are interesting.

Mostly, though, I want to lynch Vomps.

[Bass_the_Clever]

S~V~S what to you think about the golden kill?

[S~V~S]

Epignosis, You remind me of a baby polar bear sliding down a rainbow into a pot of gold, with a fucking unicorn. You are that awesome!

You make me want to be a better person. Youmake arrogant look like a positive thing

[Bass_the_Clever]

Epignosis, You remind me of a baby polar bear sliding down a rainbow into a pot of gold, with a fucking unicorn. You are that awesome!

You make me want to be a better person. Youmake arrogant look like a positive thing

[rabbit8]

You post I quoted above about wanting to Lynch Vomps comes before both these posts below.

Vomps' crime is being Vomps, right? Not contributing much, acting weird? Low posting?

Yes. Being Vomps is a serious crime.

I know this is a joke. But you lay it out there nicely. I think you're trying to persuade a few people.

I'm going to do (another) 180 and vote for Vomps.
I reread Epi's case on LK, and while I still didn't find it convincing, I can't come up with a scenario where it would be beneficial for baddie Epi to go hard against a player that (until he and Golden mentioned her) didn't seem to be on anyone's radar.
I'm not sure that I'm un-suspicious of Epi, but I'd rather not vote for him today since I can't really ask him to clarify some things about his LK case and LC's comments on the MM lynch while he's cursed.
I'll vote Vomps, though I think it's a 50/50 chance he's a civ.

This is not a 180 after you have already declared you want to lynch him and that being him is a serious crime. You throw in the I think there's a 50/50 chance he's a civ. I makes you look wishy washy like you have been trying to portray this game. But your posts before this one prove this one is complete bullshit.

[birdwithteeth11]

RIP Golden! Bye AP and welcome back MM!

Interesting points on Canuck, rabbit. I want to hear what she has to say before commenting further though.

[Elohcin]

So APerson and Bass_the_Clever switched roles. Interesting.

Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.

So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!

Who used to be a sockface.

I wonder how far this goes though. Epi, you say they "switched roles". They were impersonating one another. So....if someone targeted A Person for something, did they really get Bass? Interesting to think about.

For everyone! Did any of you suspect this at all?

[Bass_the_Clever]

So APerson and Bass_the_Clever switched roles. Interesting.

Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.

So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!

Who used to be a sockface.

I wonder how far this goes though. Epi, you say they "switched roles". They were impersonating one another. So....if someone targeted A Person for something, did they really get Bass? Interesting to think about.

For everyone! Did any of you suspect this at all?

I had no idea thhat this would happen.

[Turnip Head]

Frankly I find myself having trouble comprehending some of the events of last night. I'd like to hear what the Con has to say about this.

Yesterday LC was pushing his case on Epi. In light of the Zomberella lynch, are you still pursuing Epignosis today? And in any case, where else do you think we should look for baddies?

And welcome back MM. Again, I'm sorry for my part in your lynching. I really thought I was on to something. You can put that bat away now.

[S~V~S]

Epignosis, you are a Mafia God. Everyone, especially me, is in awe of you. I am humbled by the total amazeballs that is you. Very seriously, no orange involved.




Not just this cat. me too. You're my hero.

[juliets]

So I guess SVS is under a spell where she has to praise Epi profusely. I wonder how many times she has to do this. Hopefully not many.

[rabbit8]

So I guess SVS is under a spell where she has to praise Epi profusely. I wonder how many times she has to do this. Hopefully not many.

Convenient.

[birdwithteeth11]

So I guess SVS is under a spell where she has to praise Epi profusely. I wonder how many times she has to do this. Hopefully not many.

Convenient.

Indeed. I wonder if she's allowed to comment on other things though?

Still looking at voting for her today anyway.

[juliets]

So I guess SVS is under a spell where she has to praise Epi profusely. I wonder how many times she has to do this. Hopefully not many.

Convenient.

Indeed. I wonder if she's allowed to comment on other things though?

Still looking at voting for her today anyway.

bwt have you put a case forth on her? I looked but all I found was you questioning her about her vomps vote. Are you looking to vote for her today because she voted vomps? I just want to make sure I am not missing anything.

[birdwithteeth11]

So I guess SVS is under a spell where she has to praise Epi profusely. I wonder how many times she has to do this. Hopefully not many.

Convenient.

Indeed. I wonder if she's allowed to comment on other things though?

Still looking at voting for her today anyway.

bwt have you put a case forth on her? I looked but all I found was you questioning her about her vomps vote. Are you looking to vote for her today because she voted vomps? I just want to make sure I am not missing anything.

That's part of it. I think her 180 on going from Zomba to Vomps the way she did is very insincere. I think she was trying to save a teammate. There's also the quote (can't remember where) where she said something along the lines of Zomba being bad means that Vomps is neither bad nor good (I'd go find the quote for better context). And I feel like she won't give a direct answer when I questioned her on what that means. Especially considering she voted for Vomps.

That and I wonder if she's currently under some kind of enchantment or power or whatnot that is forcing her to flatter Epig a lot. But I'm going to wait on more posts from her before I determine that. Seems awfully convenient though.

[juliets]

Yes, I read the part with you and she going back and forth about vomps being bad or not. Thanks for answering my question so directly.

[fingersplints]

I do not think that SVS is Zomba's teammate. It makes no sense for her to have gone so aggressively after her at the start of the day if she was. I truly believe she changed her mind.

[Epignosis]

So APerson and Bass_the_Clever switched roles. Interesting.

Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.

So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!

Who used to be a sockface.

I wonder how far this goes though. Epi, you say they "switched roles". They were impersonating one another. So....if someone targeted A Person for something, did they really get Bass? Interesting to think about.

For everyone! Did any of you suspect this at all?

I'm pretty sure I know your role. Don't worry. Your secret is safe with me.

[Golden]

I'm not surprised to have died, in fact I kind of expected it tbh. Good luck civs!

[Epignosis]

Epignosis, You remind me of a baby polar bear sliding down a rainbow into a pot of gold, with a fucking unicorn.

Are you calling me gay?

[Elohcin]

So APerson and Bass_the_Clever switched roles. Interesting.

Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.

So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!

Who used to be a sockface.

I wonder how far this goes though. Epi, you say they "switched roles". They were impersonating one another. So....if someone targeted A Person for something, did they really get Bass? Interesting to think about.

For everyone! Did any of you suspect this at all?

I'm pretty sure I know your role. Don't worry. Your secret is safe with me.

How?

[Epignosis]

Epignosis, you are a Mafia God. Everyone, especially me, is in awe of you. I am humbled by the total amazeballs that is you. Very seriously, no orange involved.

"Amazeballs" isn't really a word.

[Epignosis]

So APerson and Bass_the_Clever switched roles. Interesting.

Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.

So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!

Who used to be a sockface.

I wonder how far this goes though. Epi, you say they "switched roles". They were impersonating one another. So....if someone targeted A Person for something, did they really get Bass? Interesting to think about.

For everyone! Did any of you suspect this at all?

I'm pretty sure I know your role. Don't worry. Your secret is safe with me.

How?

Do you really want me to answer that? You've been quite obvious.

[Marmot]

I'm not surprised to have died, in fact I kind of expected it tbh. Good luck civs!

RIP Golden. I was excited to actually get to rejoin the action with you only to see you die.

[Elohcin]

So APerson and Bass_the_Clever switched roles. Interesting.

Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.

So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!

Who used to be a sockface.

I wonder how far this goes though. Epi, you say they "switched roles". They were impersonating one another. So....if someone targeted A Person for something, did they really get Bass? Interesting to think about.

For everyone! Did any of you suspect this at all?

I'm pretty sure I know your role. Don't worry. Your secret is safe with me.

How?

Do you really want me to answer that? You've been quite obvious.

I don't think you should out me if that's what you mean. But I have no clue how I have been "obvious" or how you could know my role.

[Marmot]

Hey Eloh, why don't we lynch Epignosis today?

[Epignosis]

I don't think you should out me if that's what you mean. But I have no clue how I have been "obvious" or how you could know my role.

No. I don't want to do that. But you've been obvious.

[Golden]

I'm not surprised to have died, in fact I kind of expected it tbh. Good luck civs!

RIP Golden. I was excited to actually get to rejoin the action with you only to see you die.

Lol. This is becoming a thing!

[Bass_the_Clever]

Has LC post at all this day phase?

[Golden]

PS - I've really loved this game llama, and in any ordinary circumstance would be desperate for a rezz. But because I'm going on holiday soon, there wouldn't be a lot of point. Thanks to everyone for making it such a fun game

[Elohcin]

Hey Eloh, why don't we lynch Epignosis today?

I honestly don't know why we would want to or why we wouldn't. I am on the fence about him.

[juliets]

Has LC post at all this day phase?

No, but I'm pretty sure he works nights so he probably hasn't been home since this day phase started.

[LizKeen]

-

There are lots of things I hate. Government. Being out of beer. The media obsession with asses (literal and otherwise). Beets.

You, my dear, would have a hard time making that list.

*Relieved* I also hate all those things. Except I'm not a big beer drinker.

Why are you being so defensive?

Because I thought Golden was trying to twist my words. But you're right, I could calm down some.

Can someone tell me what "WOT" means? Way Off Topic? post WithOut Teeth?

I usually say it as a funny way to spell "what".

Epi, do you hate me? I hope not, I'm really not a terrible person but this is a game and players gotta play. But I'm seeing a lot of "well Epi might be bad but I'm not sure yet". Feels like deflection from voting him.

Defection onto what?

Deflection from voting Epi. Maybe avoidance is a better word.

WOT= wall of text

Thank you!

Juliet's, in response to those links you posted my responses to the questions I see are: I remember some people who I was suspicious of in the Zelda game, but not all the requotes. It was a misguided thought I had at the time that maybe mafia was just trying to gum up the works. I was mostly frustrated.
By "easy lynch" I meant someone who seemed an easy target to try and get lynched. I did make a post about Vompatti and pointed out that her posts were not helpful in the least. And I didn't trust LC at the time because I don't recall I was really looking at Epi at the time and from the way they were posting they didn't appear to be on the same team. I came back and posted 24 hours later that I was going back and forth on LC but it was late and I would be posting those posts I said I would make the next day. I did come back and post about Rabbit and Vompatti but by that time I wasn't feeling good about Epi so I didn't see much point in doing one on Long Con. I supposed that does sound suspect but it's the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I'd say "hand on the bible" but I'm agnostic so that wouldn't help.

LC, I just noticed that one of your issues with Epi is he looks as if he had a curse on him to answer questions with a "yes" which you think is possible he made up. I think I can prove he didn't make it up. I chose a rare book as an item and the book had the power to make people say "yes" to questions asked of them. I really didn't see how that was useful because I thought people would see through it but anyway it got stolen from me. I believe it was used on Epi.

I do agree with LC that this is an odd thing to say after MM said it was he who caused Epi's affirmative answers. And your explanations aren't really making sense to me.

You're right LC, I didn't think of it that way. I double checked my spreadsheet and it was stolen night one. I double checked the pm on the item and it was definitely that the receiver has to say yes to every action. But maybe this is relevant - when I asked about it I was told it didn't do anything right now (back then). I don't understand really what that meant, not that I wanted to use it then. Maybe it had to be stolen to activate? Anyway, the fact that it left me night one appears to be a stumbling block to it having been used on Epi. Which I guess means its still out there to be used by someone else.

So it wouldn't work for you when you had it but it gets stolen and works?

The only civvie possibility I see here is: Casimer Jech - The Antique Dealer - Can trade his items for others each night. If the item is usable, both parties can immediately gain the benefit.

But then you would have gained from the rare book as well, right?

You're right LC, I didn't think of it that way. I double checked my spreadsheet and it was stolen night one. I double checked the pm on the item and it was definitely that the receiver has to say yes to every action. But maybe this is relevant - when I asked about it I was told it didn't do anything right now (back then). I don't understand really what that meant, not that I wanted to use it then. Maybe it had to be stolen to activate? Anyway, the fact that it left me night one appears to be a stumbling block to it having been used on Epi. Which I guess means its still out there to be used by someone else.

Juliets, I don't think you're reading the thread closely enough. I just told you that MEtalmarsh claimed responsibility for Epig's Affirmative Curse on Day Two. Your rare book is not directly relevant to Epig's curse, as far as I can see.

I read that he said that and I read that you repeated it. I didn't think he was telling the truth when he said it but since he was good I guess he was. I'm not sure why you are saying I didn't. This post was to close out our discussion on the rare book.

He had no reason to lie. You "guess" he was? Sounds like you're trying to cover up your own slips.

I didn't think [Metalmarsh] was telling the truth when he said [he used the Bottle on Epig and caused the Affirmative Curse] but since he was good I guess he was. I'm not sure why you are saying I didn't. This post was to close out our discussion on the rare book.

Why didn't you think Metalmarsh was telling the truth? He explained Epig's weird responses and claimed responsibility for it with his Item, the Bottle. I thought it was pretty cut-and-dry.

I thought it was likely one of his jokey posts, especially since i thought I knew that the rare book was the item that caused the "yes" curse, not a bottle.

Aren't you contradicting yourself here? I don't think LC is twisting your words, I think you are.



Black Rock had the two-headed elephant charm, she was killed night 1, now Disgruntled Porcupine has it. Hmmm..




RIP Golden. I'm sorry, I really did think you were trying to twist my words.

I don't know what to make of this masquerade hoax. Welcome back MM but I am really getting confused with these replacements.

Epignosis, You remind me of a baby polar bear sliding down a rainbow into a pot of gold, with a fucking unicorn.

Are you calling me gay?

I think she's saying you're a myth.

Hey Eloh, why don't we lynch Epignosis today?

I honestly don't know why we would want to or why we wouldn't. I am on the fence about him.

These are the type of non-committal posts about Epi I'm talking about.


I haven't changed my mind about SVS from Day 2, but I wouldn't appreciate people trying to lynch me if I couldn't defend myself and if all she can do is post nice things about Epi than she's not able to.

[LizKeen]

BR, what do you think about DP having the elephant charm?

[Turnip Head]

LizKeen, what do you think of Epi? What do you make of Vompatti?

As for DP having BR 1.0's elephant charm... I'm not sure we should draw too many conclusions from that just yet. It seems that people have ended up with different items than they started with, and there's a variety of ways to do so. It also appears that false information might be able to be planted in the newspaper But it is an interesting observation and something to keep in mind. DP, who are your suspects?

As for me, I'm far more interested in the curse placed on SVS, and why Epi thinks LC has info on him, and whether or not LC will be posting anytime soon.

[Long Con]

Man I promise, I'm so self conscious
That's why you always see me with at least one of my watches
Rollies and Pasha's done drove me crazy
I can't even pronounce nothing, pass that Versace!