Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

[Strawhenge]

We have five scum to catch, and I only have three scum reads so far. Who hasn't posted yet? Let's kill them first. \o/

I don't read this anywhere.

Vote Dyslexicon

I'm going to read through the original post again, but if you're right this is a great catch. This is what a real slip looks like.

Just Ctrl+F'd for 'five' and '5' and nothing came up.

Also I found my sirengif. I sirenGIFT it to you all for liberal usage.

Spoiler: show

[Quin]

We have five scum to catch, and I only have three scum reads so far. Who hasn't posted yet? Let's kill them first. \o/

I don't read this anywhere.

Vote Dyslexicon

I'm going to read through the original post again, but if you're right this is a great catch. This is what a real slip looks like.

Just Ctrl+F'd for 'five' and '5' and nothing came up.

Also I found my sirengif. I sirenGIFT it to you all for liberal usage.

Spoiler: show

There's nothing about a ratio either.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll just wait patiently for the retort.

[Strawhenge]

I don't know if Syndicate indicates people as 'online' for a while after they log off, like on RYM, but Dyslexicon was 'browsing this forum' through to the start of pg.7, plus some minutes. FWIW.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't know if Syndicate indicates people as 'online' for a while after they log off, like on RYM, but Dyslexicon was 'browsing this forum' through to the start of pg.7, plus some minutes. FWIW.

I don't like to take stock in that stuff, because there's no telling what people might be doing on their computers or phones with various other tabs open.

If Dizzy already saw the accusation though, then the silence isn't ideal. There's a particular way civilians tend to respond to slip accusations and it isn't that.

[nutella]

We have five scum to catch, and I only have three scum reads so far. Who hasn't posted yet? Let's kill them first. \o/

I don't read this anywhere.

Vote Dyslexicon

Heck




Vote: Dyslexicon

[Scotty]

Good catch!

Now watch that just be an arbitrary number and there's actually 4.

Lynch: Dyslexicon

[Quin]

Some of my family went fishing yesterday and came back empty handed. I guess I got the good genes.

[Golden]

Some of my family went fishing yesterday and came back empty handed. I guess I got the good genes.

Keep this one for sockys 2017.

Also, I read through the OP and didn't get any reference to five baddies either. It's quite dense, though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Request:

Regardless of your confidence level, please don't pile votes all over Dyslexicon and end Day 1 with a hammer vote. We have the advantage of an extension and I'd really prefer not to waste it. Whether he's mafia or not, his team's lives are made easier if this happens quickly.

No hammer vote.

[Golden]

No hammer vote.

I agree. That's partly why I haven't voted.

[Quin]

Some of my family went fishing yesterday and came back empty handed. I guess I got the good genes.

Keep this one for sockys 2017.

Also, I read through the OP and didn't get any reference to five baddies either. It's quite dense, though.

I think my sig one was better.

[Quin]

I haven't played with hammer votes in a long time, so I didn't really think about the strategy behind it. So yeah, I don't think anybody else should throw their votes down on Dyslexicon yet. Let's discuss some other stuff.

What does everyone think about Sorsha re: my 'case'?

[sprityo]

U can't Touch this

VOTALS:

Dyslexicon (3): Quin, nutella, Scotty
Scotty (1): JJJ
Fredwood (1): DrWilgy
Strawhenge (1): MM
Silver Lantern (1): Soneji
JJJ (1): Dyslexicon
INH (1): Long Con
Long Con (1): Speedchuck

With 21 Alive, it takes 11 to Lynch, and 6 to soft lynch. Day 1 will end on 14th February, 2017 at 10pm EST, or in approx. 51 hours.

Reminder, that no one is lynched if the Soft Lynch number is not reached

[Silver Lantern]

I think the # of mafia thing is suspicious enough that I have no issues voting for him/her.

If we get to 6 votes on someone, the phase ends?

[Golden]

I think the # of mafia thing is suspicious enough that I have no issues voting for him/her.

If we get to 6 votes on someone, the phase ends?

My understanding is that its 11 that ends the phase, but 6 are required to have any lynch at all. So we have to make sure at least somebody has 6 votes at day end. This is something we have to be careful about, because mafia could engineer a no lynch.

[Strawhenge]

I haven't played with hammer votes in a long time, so I didn't really think about the strategy behind it. So yeah, I don't think anybody else should throw their votes down on Dyslexicon yet. Let's discuss some other stuff.

What does everyone think about Sorsha re: my 'case'?

I agree that her response was fluff, but I don't see how she's 'appeasing' Jay. Would you care to unpack that thought a little?

[Strawhenge]

I think the # of mafia thing is suspicious enough that I have no issues voting for him/her.

If we get to 6 votes on someone, the phase ends?

I would advise what Jay advised: give Dyslexicon a chance to respond before piling votes on. We don't want a premature hammer-lynch if Dyslexicon has a reasonable explanation.

[Fredwood]

Seems like an odd thing to slip up on. I can't really be sure because I don't have an expanded Dossier on anyone particularly Dyslexicon. Seems odd that literally nothing else they posted took anything seriously then all of the sudden they post game relevant information that would get them lynched. It just appears counter intuitive to the representation of their character.

Again, the lack of experience forces me to defer on this argument. I probably shouldn't apply logic based on personal experience to people I've never met.


As to Sorsha, the comment barely registered at the time as anything signifigant, but since it gives us something else to talk about, I guess it serves a purpose, still think it was a joke. As someone who posts a lot of jokes that people don't register I am sympathetic and perhaps too lenient in my view of failed attempts at humor.

[Silver Lantern]

I think the # of mafia thing is suspicious enough that I have no issues voting for him/her.

If we get to 6 votes on someone, the phase ends?

My understanding is that its 11 that ends the phase, but 6 are required to have any lynch at all. So we have to make sure at least somebody has 6 votes at day end. This is something we have to be careful about, because mafia could engineer a no lynch.

Yes that was also my understanding, it just seemed like JJJ was calling for a slow down, but I guess he was just saying not to pile on votes.

What's the mafia/town ratio for this # of players on this site? Where I usually play its usually 20-25% depending on powers. It's a power heavy meta.

[Silver Lantern]

As to Sorsha, the comment barely registered at the time as anything signifigant, but since it gives us something else to talk about, I guess it serves a purpose, still think it was a joke. As someone who posts a lot of jokes that people don't register I am sympathetic and perhaps too lenient in my view of failed attempts at humor.

That wasn't funny at all...





Just sayin.

[Silver Lantern]

Is Dfaraday usually a low poster?

[Quin]

I haven't played with hammer votes in a long time, so I didn't really think about the strategy behind it. So yeah, I don't think anybody else should throw their votes down on Dyslexicon yet. Let's discuss some other stuff.

What does everyone think about Sorsha re: my 'case'?

I agree that her response was fluff, but I don't see how she's 'appeasing' Jay. Would you care to unpack that thought a little?

I gave my thoughts about it when I answered Golden here:

I didn't really expect Sorsha to consider the girls to be town. At this point, any argument for why one should be voted to have the map was inherently facetious.

I find Sorsha's response fair. She didn't say she read them as civilian, she said she had no reason to think they weren't. Useful pedantry. I disagree with Quin's assessment that she 'appeased' Jay.

By answering the questions the way she did, it looks like she's confirming her post to have been based on reads, which omits what I think the post was based on, the gimmick. That's the impression I get.

To say it more explicitly, I feel like not being honest about her intentions behind the post and just playing into the idea that it was read-based was an effort to appease 3J.

[Fredwood]

I think the # of mafia thing is suspicious enough that I have no issues voting for him/her.

If we get to 6 votes on someone, the phase ends?

I would advise what Jay advised: give Dyslexicon a chance to respond before piling votes on. We don't want a premature hammer-lynch if Dyslexicon has a reasonable explanation.

This might be just a difference usage of terminology, but where Silver and I come from Hammer means ending the phase with a lynch....final nail in the coffin etc. Since 6 is a soft lynch threshold and we're already talking about a hammer vote is what is confusing. I think 6 is actually a good amount for pressure because it indicates that we're serious about it, instead of trying to skate if you don't answer to get people to remove their vote you will end up dead at the end of the phase.

I haven't voted for Dyslexicon either, but I'm not one to rush to voting. However I guess there is a chance that if the 5 scum slip holds true that if we get 6 civ votes ond Dys then 11 becomes an attainable lynch, but if there are 5 scum I'm sure at least one of them would be smarter then to play their hand that overtly on Day 1.

[Golden]

I think the # of mafia thing is suspicious enough that I have no issues voting for him/her.

If we get to 6 votes on someone, the phase ends?

My understanding is that its 11 that ends the phase, but 6 are required to have any lynch at all. So we have to make sure at least somebody has 6 votes at day end. This is something we have to be careful about, because mafia could engineer a no lynch.

Yes that was also my understanding, it just seemed like JJJ was calling for a slow down, but I guess he was just saying not to pile on votes.

What's the mafia/town ratio for this # of players on this site? Where I usually play its usually 20-25% depending on powers. It's a power heavy meta.

1) Our setups can be wildly different. For the game to be balanced you'd expect around 20-25%, but what if there are two teams, or malignant indys etc. The setups are normal more often than not but they can vary, and

2) Sprit is really bringing this set up (mostly, as far as I can tell) from elsewhere, so we have no idea of what he might do. This game set up is relatively new here (or at least could be).

Also, if we are talking about Dizzy, it's only his second game here, so he isn't overly familiar with this site either.

Is Dfaraday usually a low poster?

The lowest we've got. Except maybe Vompatti.

[Fredwood]

As to Sorsha, the comment barely registered at the time as anything signifigant, but since it gives us something else to talk about, I guess it serves a purpose, still think it was a joke. As someone who posts a lot of jokes that people don't register I am sympathetic and perhaps too lenient in my view of failed attempts at humor.

That wasn't funny at all...





Just sayin.

I have failed once again.

Ya'll people need to stop posting when I'm writing a reply.

[Fredwood]

I think the # of mafia thing is suspicious enough that I have no issues voting for him/her.

If we get to 6 votes on someone, the phase ends?

My understanding is that its 11 that ends the phase, but 6 are required to have any lynch at all. So we have to make sure at least somebody has 6 votes at day end. This is something we have to be careful about, because mafia could engineer a no lynch.

Yes that was also my understanding, it just seemed like JJJ was calling for a slow down, but I guess he was just saying not to pile on votes.

What's the mafia/town ratio for this # of players on this site? Where I usually play its usually 20-25% depending on powers. It's a power heavy meta.

1) Our setups can be wildly different. For the game to be balanced you'd expect around 20-25%, but what if there are two teams, or malignant indys etc. The setups are normal more often than not but they can vary, and

2) Sprit is really bringing this set up (mostly, as far as I can tell) from elsewhere, so we have no idea of what he might do. This game set up is relatively new here (or at least could be).

Also, if we are talking about Dizzy, it's only his second game here, so he isn't overly familiar with this site either.

Is Dfaraday usually a low poster?

The lowest we've got. Except maybe Vompatti.

Awww you got a Grinner and Velius here too!!!

[Silver Lantern]

I think the # of mafia thing is suspicious enough that I have no issues voting for him/her.

If we get to 6 votes on someone, the phase ends?

I would advise what Jay advised: give Dyslexicon a chance to respond before piling votes on. We don't want a premature hammer-lynch if Dyslexicon has a reasonable explanation.

This might be just a difference usage of terminology, but where Silver and I come from Hammer means ending the phase with a lynch....final nail in the coffin etc. Since 6 is a soft lynch threshold and we're already talking about a hammer vote is what is confusing. I think 6 is actually a good amount for pressure because it indicates that we're serious about it, instead of trying to skate if you don't answer to get people to remove their vote you will end up dead at the end of the phase.

I haven't voted for Dyslexicon either, but I'm not one to rush to voting. However I guess there is a chance that if the 5 scum slip holds true that if we get 6 civ votes ond Dys then 11 becomes an attainable lynch, but if there are 5 scum I'm sure at least one of them would be smarter then to play their hand that overtly on Day 1.

Yeah for us "To Hammer" means to place the last vote presumably needed to lynch (i.e. vote # 11 here).

[Silver Lantern]

I don't know if Syndicate indicates people as 'online' for a while after they log off, like on RYM, but Dyslexicon was 'browsing this forum' through to the start of pg.7, plus some minutes. FWIW.

I am guessing this sort of Meta Data is not frowned upon here?

[Golden]

I don't know if Syndicate indicates people as 'online' for a while after they log off, like on RYM, but Dyslexicon was 'browsing this forum' through to the start of pg.7, plus some minutes. FWIW.

I am guessing this sort of Meta Data is not frowned upon here?

It's not useful. I think there's about a 20 minute lag, plus people can appear hidden if they want.

[Strawhenge]

I haven't played with hammer votes in a long time, so I didn't really think about the strategy behind it. So yeah, I don't think anybody else should throw their votes down on Dyslexicon yet. Let's discuss some other stuff.

What does everyone think about Sorsha re: my 'case'?

I agree that her response was fluff, but I don't see how she's 'appeasing' Jay. Would you care to unpack that thought a little?

I gave my thoughts about it when I answered Golden here:

I didn't really expect Sorsha to consider the girls to be town. At this point, any argument for why one should be voted to have the map was inherently facetious.

I find Sorsha's response fair. She didn't say she read them as civilian, she said she had no reason to think they weren't. Useful pedantry. I disagree with Quin's assessment that she 'appeased' Jay.

By answering the questions the way she did, it looks like she's confirming her post to have been based on reads, which omits what I think the post was based on, the gimmick. That's the impression I get.

To say it more explicitly, I feel like not being honest about her intentions behind the post and just playing into the idea that it was read-based was an effort to appease 3J.

I'm not reading it as dishonest at all. I don't see a correlation between her intention of the post, and her town reads on the players she mentioned. It reads to me like she made a joke post, but also happens to think they're townies insofar. She also didn't expressly say that she thought they were town; she said Jay could 'safely assume' that, because she didn't have any scum reads on them at the moment.

That's how I'm interpreting it anyway. It's entirely possible that she would want to look good by appeasing Jay, but I can't imagine why she would have needed to appease him. He wasn't accusing her of anything, so she would have no reason to be defensive.

[Long Con]

MM, Golden, and 3J all want us to go to a different destination.

Only one of them will benefit the civilians (assuming whoever has the map is a civilian).

That's a problem.

I think you're inventing a problem where there isn't likely to be one, and you're suspecting people for it. This seems like a false way to have an opinion.

[VOTE: ] aubergine

[VOTE:
Would you care to be specific in your complete discrediting of my posts, or do you expect to just say "nuh-uh," throw a vote my way and hope someone else bites?] aubergine

[VOTE:
Does it have to be one or the other?

If you need me to explain further, I can do that. Your first real post of the game was to cast doubt on the map-claimers. I happen to think that, if any map-claiming is going to happen, then it's a good thing to have a couple of other dudes covering the claimer's tracks. So, right away, you're going after guys I thought looked more townish.

Then I thought about your reason. They're suspicious now for something you imagined they might try to do in the future. WTF? Does not compute. How about waiting to see if one of them tries to do what you say before squinting at them with your eyebrow thing?

And why so hesitant to cast a vote?] aubergine

[Strawhenge]

I think there's about a 20 minute lag

Good to know; I'll stop screaming through the screen at those who are browsing the thread and not responding.

[Long Con]

I think there's about a 20 minute lag

Good to know; I'll stop screaming through the screen at those who are browsing the thread and not responding.

I hope you weren't screaming at me. I also tend to be Mafia-ing, then play with kids or wash dishes, refresh, read quick, then go do something else... plus I'm in the Champs game too, and it's 10 minutes till lynch time right now.

[Long Con]

MM, Golden, and 3J all want us to go to a different destination.

Only one of them will benefit the civilians (assuming whoever has the map is a civilian).

That's a problem.

I think you're inventing a problem where there isn't likely to be one, and you're suspecting people for it. This seems like a false way to have an opinion.

*lynch vote for INH*

On the contrary, I think it's pretty good D1 play. I support it. I also support flinging votes that cause discussion, suspicion, and pressure. I do not support shutting down lines of questioning that result in discussion, suspicion, and pressure. Which is what it seemed like you did.

Support Long Con for Lynchee

Well, I don't want to be someone who shuts down discussion. That was not my intention. I'm just rubbed the wrong way at how INH came at the map-claimers, it seems backward to me.

[Quin]

MM, Golden, and 3J all want us to go to a different destination.

Only one of them will benefit the civilians (assuming whoever has the map is a civilian).

That's a problem.

I think you're inventing a problem where there isn't likely to be one, and you're suspecting people for it. This seems like a false way to have an opinion.

[VOTE: ] aubergine

[VOTE:
Would you care to be specific in your complete discrediting of my posts, or do you expect to just say "nuh-uh," throw a vote my way and hope someone else bites?] aubergine

[VOTE:
Does it have to be one or the other?

If you need me to explain further, I can do that. Your first real post of the game was to cast doubt on the map-claimers. I happen to think that, if any map-claiming is going to happen, then it's a good thing to have a couple of other dudes covering the claimer's tracks. So, right away, you're going after guys I thought looked more townish.

Then I thought about your reason. They're suspicious now for something you imagined they might try to do in the future. WTF? Does not compute. How about waiting to see if one of them tries to do what you say before squinting at them with your eyebrow thing?

And why so hesitant to cast a vote?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Can you point to the post where he's suspicious of this?] aubergine

[Long Con]

INH:

What do you suspect may have been the nefarious motivations for three people (now four) all claiming to have the map? In particular, what worries you about Golden's flip-flop in that discussion?

I feel like the reason is patently obvious: to control the conversation and influence where people go. I don't think it's too big of a leap to think that the mafia has info about certain destinations leading to certain effects. I could see at the very least one scummeister fake-claiming just to gain credibility.

[Quin]

If he's referring to 3J, marmot and Golden specifically, all of them had already claimed. I don't think controlling the conversation is something baddies 'will do', rather I think it's just a constant approach to the game. I don't really see it.

[Long Con]

If he's referring to 3J, marmot and Golden specifically, all of them had already claimed. I don't think controlling the conversation is something baddies 'will do', rather I think it's just a constant approach to the game. I don't really see it.

He's not talking about claiming, he's talking about them controlling/influencing the direction we take based on them being the map holder. Which, if it were going to happen... well, it would make more sense to keep quiet about it and catch them in the act, rather than blurting it outright and making sure it doesn't happen.

[Quin]

I see it.

I can understand the reason behind his suspicion, and I feel good about the fact that he considered it. But it's true that casting suspicion before they've actually done the thing he's worried about is counter-productive.

[Quin]

I'll just plop myself on the fence until he gets back to you.

[Long Con]

I do, however, think the possible Dyslexicon-slip to be much more juicy. The INH vote is just a pressure-vote... if Slex can't explain this 5-knowledge, then the vote cast would be quite a bit more serious.

[Nachomamma8]

Changeable votes?
I like this game already!

Vote: Golden

[Quin]

Changeable votes?
I like this game already!

Vote: Golden

hey

[Golden]

Changeable votes?
I like this game already!

Vote: Golden

No u

Vote: Nachomamma8[/quote]

[Nachomamma8]

It's my first game, I deserve a map. It was rather difficult to sign up and meet new people.

I like Fredwood throwing his name already; probably not a significant tell unless he's super inexperienced but the way it happened seemed relaxed enough.

[Nachomamma8]

Changeable votes?
I like this game already!

Vote: Golden

hey

Hi!

[Nachomamma8]

I'm open to other map requests, but I want to know how y'all intend to forge a civilian victory in this game if you are entrusted with it.

How is responding to the question "how will you forge a civilian victory in this game?" ever indicative of alignment? It seems to me that the most important factor of these items are getting them into town hands, no?

I'm open to other map requests, but I want to know how y'all intend to forge a civilian victory in this game if you are entrusted with it.

I'll lead lynches on the unanimous civ-reads and make a fool of myself.

Town read.

If that's what it takes for you to give me the map.

That being said, I seem to be townreading Quin for an exchange sparked by the "Civilian Victory" comment so egg on my face.

Oh boy a fresh hot new game!

The map thing kinda reminds me of selecting prefects, in that it kinda feels almost like some kind of popularity/trust contest between the enthusiastic players who nominate themselves, and it feels dangerous to put that trust in someone who asks for it but... idk, anyone who played that game should remember that whole can of worms. But it would be best to eventually form some kind of consensus, we just have to hope we don't pick the wrong nominee.

As for the poll I don't know what the context or consequences may be but I think scientist is the coolest out of those

The more I think about it, the more I think people should just go with their gut and not declare it. It does potentially put a target on a person's back.

Also, I don't remember what game the prefect thing was now, and what actually happened with that?

I'm assuming in this game there will be more items (based on the way the PM was written) and so there will be opportunities to spread them out a bit, hopefully.

I can't foresee a situation where "this player has an item" is a reason for me to nightkill them as scum over "this person is a threat to my team" and if the scumteam has a different approach then I don't think there is a very good chance of us losing this game.

I like nutella and Strawhenge already.

I can see a case for Strawhenge (and probably agree now that I think about it), but why nutella?

It's my first game, I deserve a map. It was rather difficult to sign up and meet new people.

Fredwood's four posts are only marginally relevant, but I still react positively. This in particular, where he calls for the map, pleases me considering the personality he conveyed in the sign-up thread:

Thanks. Jack and Silver are the only two names I recognize been competing with them from anywhere from 5 to 10 years. I'm not a proper representation of the talent pool, I'm not very good (false humility), going to have to find a way to figure out how games are played here.

If there's any truth to the highlighted portion, I'd anticipate a civilian Fredwood would be a lot more comfortable doing that right off the bat than a mafioso Fredwood in this foreign environment. This read can be qualified with a little insight from those people who have played with Fredwood before -- please tell me what you think of this perspective.

Second post reinforces my townread there.

[Nachomamma8]

Hi everyone. Apologies for dumb questions ahead of time, I will be asking them all game and for games to come too.

DO NOT GIVE ME THE MAP, I REPEAT, DO NOT GIVE ME THE MAP.

Alright, now that I got the reverse psychology argument out of the way, should we try to coordinate the poll votes, or would that be against the spirit of the game? And would there be a benefit in doing so? I am guessing not much aside from pissing off the mod.

You guys call the mod the host here from what I gather, right?

What is BTSC?

What is Civ or Civilian? Is that like a regular townie?

I skimread Soneji voting this slot and now find myself wondering why.

Vote: Soneji

being able to change my vote continues to feel wonderful.

[Golden]

I can't foresee a situation where "this player has an item" is a reason for me to nightkill them as scum over "this person is a threat to my team" and if the scumteam has a different approach then I don't think there is a very good chance of us losing this game.

I think there are lots of reasons baddies kill people. Threat is one, but not the only. And who is to say how big a threat baddies perceive items to be.