Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

#3601

[VOTE: ] aubergine

#3602

sprityo wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:^I vote Long Con.
Perhaps if you didnt enjoy switching votes so often i wouldnt have to edit my votals : ^)

Vote Sprityo

#3603

Soneji wrote:
juliets wrote:
Quin wrote:
juliets wrote:Soneji, Quin, and Golden:

Do you think it's likely that there is redundancy in the doctor role in the civ alignment? [Soneji you may not have gotten to the point yet that you understand why I'm asking this]
What do you mean by redundancy?
Two doctor roles that operate on odd nights.
I come from a place where the even/odd night thing with power roles is pretty rare. If there were two doctors, one even night and one odd night, the balance/intrigue there would be that you have two chances to get someone good at picking doctor targets and the mafia hitting one of them doesn't take away your doctor protects entirely.

Can't say how likely it is given this game is in a weird place between The Syndicate and Narutoforums in terms of power.

Catching up bit by bit.

More likely to have odd night and then two shot, or something like that.

#3604

@Soneji - Yeah, I use words subjectively to account for my subjective experience. Keeps me at a perfect distance of reality.
The whole thing is maybe that I don't think I've even interacted with you this game. So nonchelant it is, for me.

#3605

I'm going to

UNVOTE

VOTE Long Con

#3606

Vote Long Con

Sorry for being a trolly troll mcTrollson

#3607

I don't understand this voting, but it's interesting.

#3608

Golden wrote:@speed - what bothers you mechanically about my claim?

Watching every night.

Pretty much every other town role has been limited in some way. For you to claim just watcher (which came up before the trend of limited power was fully apparent) gives me balance issues that I discussed earlier with JJJ. I am sure that you are a watcher, but I'm worried that it might be a mafia watcher because of the power imbalance. Call it paranoia, as I'm still relying on my read over mech stuff.

#3609

Sitting in my car pondering things made me want to kill Long Con.

#3610

speedchuck wrote:
Golden wrote:@speed - what bothers you mechanically about my claim?
Watching every night.

Pretty much every other town role has been limited in some way. For you to claim just watcher (which came up before the trend of limited power was fully apparent) gives me balance issues that I discussed earlier with JJJ. I am sure that you are a watcher, but I'm worried that it might be a mafia watcher because of the power imbalance. Call it paranoia, as I'm still relying on my read over mech stuff.

This is actually a good point. However, I don't know if Golden has claimed anything about how much/when being able to watch?

#3611

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Sitting in my car pondering things made me want to kill Long Con.

Which on of Soneji or Long Con do you prefer?

#3612

Running out of things to type up here

VOTALS:

Soneji (3): speedchuck, Sloonei, Scotty,
Quin (2): Golden, Strawhenge,
Long Con (4): Quin, Soneji, juliets, Dyslexicon

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to Lynch, 3 to Soft Lynch

Day ends in 75 minutes

#3613

People on the Soneji wagon looks better to me. *unsure*

#3614

I thought day was ending in like 10 minutes, but it's more?

#3615

Dyslexicon wrote:People on the Soneji wagon looks better to me. *unsure*

Doesn't mean we know what the fuxk's going on.

I just ate an apple midshow and now I'm bloated.

#3616

speedchuck wrote:
Golden wrote:@speed - what bothers you mechanically about my claim?
Watching every night.

Pretty much every other town role has been limited in some way. For you to claim just watcher (which came up before the trend of limited power was fully apparent) gives me balance issues that I discussed earlier with JJJ. I am sure that you are a watcher, but I'm worried that it might be a mafia watcher because of the power imbalance. Call it paranoia, as I'm still relying on my read over mech stuff.

JJJ is a three-shot tracker. Golden being an unlimited town Watcher would be nearly impossible with that kind of balance, as Watchers>>>Trackers. A Watcher can catch multiple people targeting someone and only has to aim for suspected targets of the NK, while a tracker not only has to have a correct mafia read but also hope that that mafia is making the faction kill that night.

#3617

Dyslexicon wrote:I thought day was ending in like 10 minutes, but it's more?

It goes another hour now. Until 11:00 eastern.

#3618

Dyslexicon wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:MP is here! Kill him, kill him!

Lynch MP

Good to see you too.
You should probably die though, in all earnesty.

Eloh is town.

#3619

juliets wrote:I'm going to

UNVOTE

VOTE Long Con

This is why I think we should stay on soneji.

I don't trust juliets right now

We're awfully close to someone trying a sneak hammer

#3620

juliets wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:I thought day was ending in like 10 minutes, but it's more?
It goes another hour now. Until 11:00 eastern.

I apologize Dizzy, i needed the time for being able to provide votals so that the game isnt left hanging in a critical moment

#3621

juliets wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:I thought day was ending in like 10 minutes, but it's more?
It goes another hour now. Until 11:00 eastern.

Alright, thanks. Although it's 4am here, and I have to be somewere at 8am, and omg what's life, what's sleep.

#3622

sprityo wrote:
juliets wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:I thought day was ending in like 10 minutes, but it's more?
It goes another hour now. Until 11:00 eastern.
I apologize Dizzy, i needed the time for being able to provide votals so that the game isnt left hanging in a critical moment

That's fine^^

#3623

Scotty wrote:
juliets wrote:I'm going to

UNVOTE

VOTE Long Con
This is why I think we should stay on soneji.

I don't trust juliets right now

We're awfully close to someone trying a sneak hammer

Hammer is at 7. No "sneaking" going on.

Why don't you spill your case on me?

#3624

Scotty wrote:
juliets wrote:I'm going to

UNVOTE

VOTE Long Con
This is why I think we should stay on soneji.

I don't trust juliets right now

We're awfully close to someone trying a sneak hammer

If you think both Juliets and I are scum, whose exactly going to sneak a hammer that takes three more votes?

#3625

Long Con wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Long Con wrote:Maybe sending an item isn't counted as "targeting" like protecting, killing, blocking, etc?
I highly doubt this.
Well, there's one easy way to find out, Sloon my man! *hold arms out wide* I wouldn't advise it though, I am Civ.

I've decided I hate this post's guts.

#3626

These votes have all swung very easily against Long Con.

#3627

EoD's here are so much fun.

#3628

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Long Con wrote:Maybe sending an item isn't counted as "targeting" like protecting, killing, blocking, etc?
I highly doubt this.
Well, there's one easy way to find out, Sloon my man! *hold arms out wide* I wouldn't advise it though, I am Civ.
I've decided I hate this post's guts.

Good. Staying on Long Con then. He seems vaguely more smooth than last game. Yeah. I'm feeling good about this. I'm not just latching onto other people that I can trust at all.

#3629

Fredwood wrote:EoD's here are so much fun.

>_>

#3630

Sloonei wrote:These votes have all swung very easily against Long Con.

The case is about a role related discrepancy. Do you think there's a lot of room for doubt?

#3631

Sloonei wrote:These votes have all swung very easily against Long Con.

You're the one who convinced me. I don't know how Long Con gives the gun to you if Jay saw nothing when he targeted him.

#3632

Okay, I'm here. Will be so off and on until the deadline.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Long Con wrote:Maybe sending an item isn't counted as "targeting" like protecting, killing, blocking, etc?
I highly doubt this.
Well, there's one easy way to find out, Sloon my man! *hold arms out wide* I wouldn't advise it though, I am Civ.
I've decided I hate this post's guts.

What don't you like about it?

#3633

Would prefer Soneji lynch to Long Con lynch. Happy where I am. You guys can get the three votes to lynch LC without me.

I don't like how quickly the LC lynch is building at all, but...
I have homework to do right this second. I'll keep up, if dire questions must be asked.

By all means, do join me on Soneji in the next hour and have a beer with me, though. It's a much more fun lynch than Long Con.

#3634

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, I'm here. Will be so off and on until the deadline.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Long Con wrote:Maybe sending an item isn't counted as "targeting" like protecting, killing, blocking, etc?
I highly doubt this.
Well, there's one easy way to find out, Sloon my man! *hold arms out wide* I wouldn't advise it though, I am Civ.
I've decided I hate this post's guts.
What don't you like about it?

It looks more like a challenge than an earnest plea, and I don't think that's how LC intended it.

#3635

JJJ are you saying you think he intended it as an earnest plea? Or a challenge?

#3636

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:These votes have all swung very easily against Long Con.
The case is about a role related discrepancy. Do you think there's a lot of room for doubt?

A role discrepancy that has existed all day.

#3637

speedchuck wrote:Would prefer Soneji lynch to Long Con lynch. Happy where I am. You guys can get the three votes to lynch LC without me.

I don't like how quickly the LC lynch is building at all, but...
I have homework to do right this second. I'll keep up, if dire questions must be asked.

By all means, do join me on Soneji in the next hour and have a beer with me, though. It's a much more fun lynch than Long Con.

Basically we're deciding between, how does LC's power work, is there redundant power roles, or who even likes Soneji anyway.

#3638

juliets wrote:JJJ are you saying you think he intended it as an earnest plea? Or a challenge?

The latter, but it is a miserable effort at authenticity.

WELL GO AHEAD AND SHOOT ME HEH HEH but not really I'm your friend.

#3639

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:These votes have all swung very easily against Long Con.
The case is about a role related discrepancy. Do you think there's a lot of room for doubt?
A role discrepancy that has existed all day.

Yes, maybe we'd have noticed it earlier and we weren't all busy talking about a certain other thing

#3640

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Long Con wrote:Maybe sending an item isn't counted as "targeting" like protecting, killing, blocking, etc?
I highly doubt this.
Well, there's one easy way to find out, Sloon my man! *hold arms out wide* I wouldn't advise it though, I am Civ.
I've decided I hate this post's guts.

I don't like this post, because "there's one easy way to find out" doesn't even make sense here. If he were to flip town we still wouldn't find out what happened with the targeting or if it's counted or not. But if he flips scum we would find out that he's lying. Not that town only says things that makes sense, but it's still a weird post.

#3641

Not a single player has opposed a Soneji lynch at any juncture of this day other than Soneji himself, while we're worrying about the development of wagons.

#3642

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:These votes have all swung very easily against Long Con.
The case is about a role related discrepancy. Do you think there's a lot of room for doubt?
A role discrepancy that has existed all day.

Quin and Soenji's votes I get, they're likely axed if they don't team up to vote out the other guy. The other players willingness to follow is a bit huh?

#3643

speedchuck wrote:Would prefer Soneji lynch to Long Con lynch. Happy where I am. You guys can get the three votes to lynch LC without me.

I don't like how quickly the LC lynch is building at all, but...
I have homework to do right this second. I'll keep up, if dire questions must be asked.

By all means, do join me on Soneji in the next hour and have a beer with me, though. It's a much more fun lynch than Long Con.

So I'm not defending Long Con here but I want to point out that if LC is lynched and comes up bad, this is the same fucking post you made defending Mm when he got lynched.

#3644

I am still in favor of lynching Long Con. I just wanted to note the swiftness of his bandwagon.

#3645

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, I'm here. Will be so off and on until the deadline.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Long Con wrote:Maybe sending an item isn't counted as "targeting" like protecting, killing, blocking, etc?
I highly doubt this.
Well, there's one easy way to find out, Sloon my man! *hold arms out wide* I wouldn't advise it though, I am Civ.
I've decided I hate this post's guts.
What don't you like about it?
It looks more like a challenge than an earnest plea, and I don't think that's how LC intended it.

Does your view of this influence your view of Sloonei?

#3646

MovingPictures07 wrote:Does your view of this influence your view of Sloonei?

No. Should it?

#3647

Fredwood wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:These votes have all swung very easily against Long Con.
The case is about a role related discrepancy. Do you think there's a lot of room for doubt?
A role discrepancy that has existed all day.
Quin and Soenji's votes I get, they're likely axed if they don't team up to vote out the other guy. The other players willingness to follow is a bit huh?

Is the case against Long Con a bit huh?

#3648

Fredwood wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:These votes have all swung very easily against Long Con.
The case is about a role related discrepancy. Do you think there's a lot of room for doubt?
A role discrepancy that has existed all day.
Quin and Soenji's votes I get, they're likely axed if they don't team up to vote out the other guy. The other players willingness to follow is a bit huh?

I'm just having a crisis of confidence on the Quin issue and the point about Jay targeting LC and seeing nothing was what compelled me to change my vote.

#3649

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Not a single player has opposed a Soneji lynch at any juncture of this day other than Soneji himself, while we're worrying about the development of wagons.

Soneji is the easiest target to bus because he's been so absent. I don't think that his wagon being easy is a bad sign.

LC being so thrown about by everyone at the end here reeks. The only real person I see opposing it is speed. I'm only partially opposing it, (calling kettle black) but ya know I don't know shit

#3650

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Does your view of this influence your view of Sloonei?
No. Should it?

I don't think so. I just was curious because the post that you're focusing on is a direct response to Sloonei's inquiry.

How would you Rate this game?