Monkey Island [ENDGAME]

[Epignosis]

Economics Mafia. I was town. Made multiple rainbow lists on Day 1.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 64#p142864
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 87#p143187

I don't think you understand what I observed. It isn't that you make rainbows on Day 1.

[Golden]

I believe you, mp.

Actually, mostly I wanted to test whether I believed epi was genuine. I do. So I have both of you as town reads.

But you shouldn't confuse wrong with meritless. If you extract yourself from being the one accused, I think you would see the need to test.

[Scotty]

This was a very weak reason I'm espacilly eyeing MP and the people who voted for Zebra.

I also find it odd WIlgy missed the vote, if MP does end up being mafia I'd like to look into lynching Wilgy.

Its day 1. What more convincing articles could you have for day 1?

And "the people who voted zebra" are...just me. Can I help you with your eyes?

Snow also voted for Zebra you don't seem to be reading clearly.

MP didn't mention his vote was self preservation when he did the voting though, that just came up after motel flipped. I'm really being pinged by MP right now.

I'm just going by the official list on the polls page:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... f=2&t=1185

According to that, Snow didn't even make the vote. Just like 51% of the United States a few weeks ago.

Anyway, why am I suspicious for voting zebra?

[thellama73]

Snow voted for Zebra, but because he replaced in mid-day and had already voted the non-player option, I let him post his vote in the thread, so it didn't show up when I copy-pasted the poll into the polls thread.

[Marmot]

I don't remember what civ motel room is like, but I hosted him once when he was bad. He started the game strong, but petered out when his teammates started getting lynched.

Anyone got some civ motelmeta?

Any idea who you will be voting for?

Yeees, I said I was likely going to vote motel room which I eventually did.

I randomized and got MM for being anti-random.

I'd believe you if you said it was pseudo-random.

i don't understand this motel room vote. He's has posted drunk most of the time and he didn't come back after a question. That's it! (better than nothing I suppose, and I don't know him anyway so....urgh)

You considered voting someone for the convenience of coming first in the alphabet. Is your case a better one?

Well I suppose you eventually backed up a vote for MP, but at the time of this post from you this was your previous vote.

I see you eventually voted for zebra anyway.

Also I think Snow Dog is town if I haven't mentioned that before.

I don't feel so certain.

But if there's one thing I remember about Snow Dog, he loves to wait until the last moment to vote. This behavior from him is reassuring.

Zebra post more or be obliterated.

I like this guy.

I'm trusting my process and voting MovingPictures07.

Your process is BS and I think you know it.

Is that a formal accusation?

I call baloney on this post (the MP response). MP said he "thinks" Epignosis knows his process is BS. Choice of words point to MP not being very convincing.

[Marmot]

So uh hi, where is everyone?

[DrWilgy]

So uh hi, where is everyone?

I ate a carolina reaper and made myself sick -__-

[Epignosis]

I believe you, mp.

Actually, mostly I wanted to test whether I believed epi was genuine. I do. So I have both of you as town reads.

But you shouldn't confuse wrong with meritless. If you extract yourself from being the one accused, I think you would see the need to test.

How did you test this?

[Scotty]

Snow voted for Zebra, but because he replaced in mid-day and had already voted the non-player option, I let him post his vote in the thread, so it didn't show up when I copy-pasted the poll into the polls thread.

Doh. Looks like I am the idiot.

Sorry dog!

[Scotty]

I swear to dog I'm This close to changing my autocorrect so every time I post dog it's sig instead

[Scotty]

I swear to dog I'm This close to changing my autocorrect so every time I post dog it's sig instead

I GIVE UP GOODNIGHT

[Quin]

Catching up will be tonight's job, I've just been working in the garden for the past 2 hours. Forgive me one last time

[thellama73]

Catching up will be tonight's job, I've just been working in the garden for the past 2 hours. Forgive me one last time

The Illegible Garden.

[Golden]

I believe you, mp.

Actually, mostly I wanted to test whether I believed epi was genuine. I do. So I have both of you as town reads.

But you shouldn't confuse wrong with meritless. If you extract yourself from being the one accused, I think you would see the need to test.

How did you test this?

I believe your explanation for how it came about. It matches the way your post came together. I feel like it was genuinely scum-hunty.

I'm comparing it to my experience of the way you've picked at Jay in the past, with cases that I haven't found as compelling, in circumstances where you've mostly been bad.

[Golden]

Epi, what do you make of MPs reaction? Or are you not willing to say?

[Marmot]

Stay determined Scotty.

[Epignosis]

Epi, what do you make of MPs reaction? Or are you not willing to say?

MP gets angry and storms off often when he gets suspected for any reason he feels is stupid, which doesn't mean anything to me. I never know when it's an act.

He says he thinks I'm good, but everything he says about my contributions regarding him indicates that he thinks they are contrived. That I don't understand.

On the one hand, he seems to think I'm just doing this to get a reaction out of him, but if he knows this, then why be pissed and angry and say I'm taking it too far? How far is too far? On the other hand, if I genuinely suspect him, then he should know I'm not going to back down because he calls the observation I raised a waste of his time, bullshit, etc.

[Marmot]

Epignosis, let's play a game.

On a scale from 1 to llama's salary, how mafia are you?

[Long Con]

Lol LC have you not played with me before? I used to make gigantic posts all the time and sometimes still do. If you don't like the fact that I posted many small times instead one gigantic one I don't know what to tell you, it's a lot of content either way and over the years I've had people complain about both and not read my posts. I don't need a lecture on that. How about you talk about some of the content within them instead?

Buddying? That's weaksauce my friend. Show me the mafia motivation behind my posts.

As I said, "either way works". My point was that I don't want to see any alignment attached to large or small post counts, because they can be artificially inflated.

You call my Day 1 vote "weaksauce" as though Day 1 votes are usually supersolid. I don't have time to explain the obvious Mafia motivation behind buddying.

I don't really buy into buddying as a tell; I have the tendency to be friendly as both alignments and I get frustrated by "buddying" or "pocketing" accusations often enough where I never use them as town.

QFT

Yeah, that's one opinion. My experience tells me differently.

[Long Con]

Lol LC have you not played with me before? I used to make gigantic posts all the time and sometimes still do. If you don't like the fact that I posted many small times instead one gigantic one I don't know what to tell you, it's a lot of content either way and over the years I've had people complain about both and not read my posts. I don't need a lecture on that. How about you talk about some of the content within them instead?

Buddying? That's weaksauce my friend. Show me the mafia motivation behind my posts.

As I said, "either way works". My point was that I don't want to see any alignment attached to large or small post counts, because they can be artificially inflated.

You call my Day 1 vote "weaksauce" as though Day 1 votes are usually supersolid. I don't have time to explain the obvious Mafia motivation behind buddying.

Do you feel like anyone so far has been tying anyone's alignment to large or small post counts?

Not yet. Not in this game.

I wasn't asking for any general mafia motivation for buddying, even though I think that motivation is largely unconvincing. I'm asking what specifically you've seen in my behavior that displays a mafia motivation.

An odd question. I don't think it's a reasonable one. I have seen buddying being a Mafia tell - an unforeseen flaw in a baddie's otherwise innocent-seeming game. It's pedantic to require me to find a meta-behaviour to validate my suspicion of your behaviour. Are there some forms I have to fill out in triplicate before accusing you now? If I gave you an answer regarding which behaviour indicates a Mafia motivation behind your buddying behaviour, would you require me to further validate that with a third behaviour pattern?

Fuck it, I'll answer it without being contrary as well. The Mafia motivation that is displayed by your excessive buddying is the motivation make Civs feel comfortable with you, like "Me and MP07 are on the same page, I'm Civ so he's feeling Civ to me, because, though on the outside, different faces, but on the inside, same-same. Same-same." You feel me?

I accidentally posted that previous post when I was supposed to copy-paste it below this one, and move on with a catchup, accumulating more posts. Instead I submitted it, so I'll just lay this one down now and start fresh.

[Golden]

Are there some forms I have to fill out in triplicate before accusing you now?

Yes. But trust me, no-one will tell you where to find them, and you will have to deliver them to a town in Wyoming by hand.

[Long Con]

i don't understand this motel room vote. He's has posted drunk most of the time and he didn't come back after a question. That's it! (better than nothing I suppose, and I don't know him anyway so....urgh)

Yeah it's definitely not winning "Case of the Year", but I don't think that makes it a bad vote. What about the MP vote entices you?

his Buddying up, his last minute motel vote that seemed to come from nowhere, and..I dunno....a feeling.

The motel vote didn't really come from anywhere from my perspective; I had been talking about it in thread for a while, he was townreading me, Golden vetted it, not like he had strong feelings elsewhere.

As for the buddying point, my rebuttal for that is mostly personal but it'd be a shame if he got lynched for making me feel.welcome!

It wasn't just you. He did it to others too.

If I'm mafia and "buddying" you all to try to gain your trust, then I sure am doing a real shitty job, aren't I?

It would have worked too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

If you hadn't been called out on it, then it would have been a top-quality job. It just so happens that I'm very sensitive to it.

It wasn't an analysis. It was an observation.

I find your observation somewhat compelling.

Question - is it one you just researched now, or have you been sitting on it waiting for a time it applied?

What is compelling about it, even remotely? I don't get it. I cannot fathom anything even remotely compelling about it. I've already debunked it.

I disagree, I didn't find that your rebuttal functioned to slam-dunk a debunk. I felt your points were more useful as some factors to consider were Epi to move forward with a seriously in-depth MP-rainbow-list-analysis, like classifying the context more, or cross-referencing existing post-count or time from the game's start. Epi noticed a loose correlation between two elements: your alignment, and the number of colours in your rainbow lists. It doesn't take a lot of mental acrobatics to look at that evidence and think that just maybe, MP07's REAL (Civ) rainbow lists are more detailed due to a true and admirable attempt to really analyze every player honestly... and that MP07's FAKE (baddie) rainbow lists are broader-strokes analyses designed to advance his baddie agenda while doing something that MP usually does as Civ.

That makes a lot of sense to me, and I'm sure that the fact that I'm already accusing you of buddying works against you when I see a rainbow list that is so heavily Civ-weighted.

Seeing that I already had 1 vote from LC, that votes were likely to be missed, and knowing that both Epi and sig expressed suspicions of me, my vote was cast somewhat out of self-preservation. I also realize I haven't updated my rainbow formally but Soneji's response put my ease and given my lack of available time I had a bunch of null reads from which to choose to place my vote upon. Only Blooper and motel room had 2 votes, I know I had 1, so I chose between those options and even though I felt equally about MR and Blooper I percolated on Nacho's arguments and felt it the more compelling vote and subsequently I decided to go with motel room.

So would you say that you would like to put all responsibility on Nacho?

No, why would I ever say that? I take full responsibility for my vote. That goes without saying.

No, totally, you would never say that. That question was 99% 'limited time availability' curveball question to see your response. BUT, that other 1%, I have to be honest, is that voice in my head that sees your post like this: "I was exactly, perfectly equal in my opinion on whether motel or Blooper got lynched. Since I think my buddy Nacho is a Civ *point and wink in Nacho's direction in a friendly fashion*, I went along with his argument."

I guess my question didn't convey that, but I'd say that's the reason I felt compelled to just shine some light on your use of Nacho's opinions in your explanation.

I swear to dog I'm This close to changing my autocorrect so every time I post dog it's sig instead

This post is just blowing my mind.

Are there some forms I have to fill out in triplicate before accusing you now?

Yes. But trust me, no-one will tell you where to find them, and you will have to deliver them to a town in Wyoming by hand.

Fuck, forget it then. I'll just vote Metalmarsh.

* * * * *

I realize now that some of the above stuff is rehashing stuff that was discussed when I wasn't here, but I'll still post it. I'm sorry to see that you seem to be getting upset, MP, but I cannot let that affect my opinion because I have seen you fake it as a baddie. Imagine how much more upsetting it is for motel room.

[Golden]

I'll ask about Loom.

[Marmot]

Are there some forms I have to fill out in triplicate before accusing you now?

Yes. But trust me, no-one will tell you where to find them, and you will have to deliver them to a town in Wyoming by hand.

Fuck, forget it then. I'll just vote Metalmarsh.

I'm also in a town in Wyoming.

[Marmot]

I voted for Fruit of the Loom™

[Marmot]

We hosted a couch surfer from Western Australia last night. She was rad.

[Marmot]

Sockface had 17 posts in a row. Any chance I could match that mark?

[Golden]

Re my opinion on MP

I have seen him be frustrated at accusations as both alignments.
I've seen him buddy people as both alignments.

I can recall specific instances of him burning me with each of them in the past when bad, but it's easy to let 'you have done that to me when bad before' sway your read to 'bad' when it's actually 'null'.

I also think that MP has been incredibly regularly on the table for lynching on day one/two recently, and I've seen a marked uptick in him getting frustrated at the accusations early rather than maintaining a rational calm. Again, I see this as null, because I've seen it as both alignments. And I don't really blame him - I have been through runs in the past where I'm in that spot where no matter what you do, people are immediately inspecting me and declaring me bad, and it can get very frustrating. Sometimes you just want a run of not being on defense to get your hunting straight.

All of those null things straight - here are things I've seen as genuinely potentially alignment-indicative from MP

1) His happiness to have the game going at a slow pace - town-aligned. I think he would be much more focussed on his meta upkeep if he was bad, but in this game I did not get the sense he cared about maintaining any appearance. This is also a major town tell with me, and I believe it's a pretty reliable one.

2) His focus on nacho in the early game - feeling out and interacting with a new player - town-aligned. I felt like MP was genuinely trying to get a good sense of who he is and what he is bringing to the table.

3) His inability to see epi's case as holding merit - slightly bad-leaning. I can understand the frustration, but I have more difficulty understanding why MP wouldn't recognise a legitimate meta case and respond to it as such (rather than a nonsense case). It may be based on a predisposition to assume epi's cases are not intended to hold merit but are just intended to see what responses come, which is in fact the tack MP took. It's also something epi is well known for doing. But that makes it a very easy 'rote' defense to any epi case.

Overall, I still see MP as town-aligned, and in particular point (1) is very persuasive to me.

[Golden]

Did that answer your question, Marmot?

[Marmot]

I'd past the torch on to you, but it looks like I've taken it back myself. Good night!

[a2thezebra]

Hey zebra. I see you lurking - although maybe you can only post in smilies right now. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the game so far though.

[Snow Dog]

Hey zebra. I see you lurking - although maybe you can only post in smilies right now. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the game so far though.

Also, snow, sorry for not buddying you sooner, but it's nice to meet you. Your name comes up a lot, so I'm looking forward to playing with you.

Hi Golden, I can only hope to live up to expectations. Nice to meet you and that goes to everyone here new to me.

[Snow Dog]

I swear to dog I'm This close to changing my autocorrect so every time I post dog it's sig instead

I GIVE UP GOODNIGHT

[Snow Dog]

MP's reactions this night make me think he is civ. Otherwise I don't understand his frustration and anger.

[Quin]

Haha thanks.

Epignosis is bad. Discuss.

Also a slight townlean for getting the game going, although I'm not sure where this scumlean in particular is coming from.

Haha thanks.

Epignosis is bad. Discuss.

He's 90 percent fluff at this point. I can't shape a read out of it yet. It's at least interesting from a meta standpoint, though.

Is being this fluffy out of character for him? Do you think that his fluffiness stands out when a majority of players have that same 90 - 10 fluff-nonfluff ratio?

I am turning 30 in under 3 hours.

Congratulations!!!

*emerges from the birth canal*

Maybe it's time for me to do some role analysis and then get some votes for it for being "overly helpful".

I liked this post too!!! Don't really have a reason for why and won't pretend like I do, just like how the line talking about how he's going to get voted for his approach sounds; probably good for along the same lines as Metal's "I promised I wouldn't get lynched D1" post.

Hey Mac, it's clear we are both civilian this game so let's team up.

Why are you reading Mac civillian?

Today has been very quiet so far... Not much to go on other than Vomps asking for volunteers. Which is asking people to do the civs' work for them, but in Day 1, I suppose it's just an opening gambit.

Take your hands off your ears, and maybe you'll hear all the things people have to say.

All the things.

Unless this is a joke I'm not picking up on, it seems like you're implying there's more to pick up on that Boomslang is missing; why not comment on any of it?

Just a little over 24 hours remaining and we've had hardly any on-topic discussion. Let's change that.

Mac, tell me why Epi is bad.
LC, what did you gain from your role analysis?
Everyone else, do you have any thoughts on anyone's alignment so far for even weak reasons/pings? If so, what are they?

Why did it take you so long to get the ball rolling?
It might have been a poor character judgment considering the whole "we've never played together" thing, but I sort of expected you to be an active driving force before this point. I like that you're questioning people for small pings, but why haven't you talked about yours? Why haven't you talked about your Mac civilian read yet?

Is it possible to earn gold?

Not unless Santa Claus gives you a shovel.

@ Your address of me - I think so. Epi usually comes across in games as more to the point and serious. I checked a few of his town games and he tends to get right into things. I didn't check his bad games, because I'm a lazy shit. That's not to say that he never posts fluff, but at the time his posts weren't what I was used to.

[Quin]

Looking back over earlier d0-d1 material and I'm really not finding anything but inconclusive fluff. There's just nothing here.

Mostly. I feel comfortable enough with townreads on you/Mac/Quin, which, if they are correct, gives me a 41% chance of hitting a baddie if I throw drunk darts at the rest of the playerlist. I'm pretty good at drunk darts.

Yay math!

I can dig the town read on Quin as well. I think I need to see just a bit more from him though; hopefully he can provide more thoughts soon. I also need to see his mafia game. He's a ridiculously solid townie, but I'm not sure I've ever seen him as mafia, which scares me.

Do I still scare you?

[Quin]

Nacho has too many posts for me to reference any specific one, but my biggest observation is this:

He reminds me of me, in that he's constantly trying to continue a dialogue with whoever he's talking to. He's showing a genuine thought process, he's not shying away from any conflicting opinions and he's spearheading his own case. Townie points for this guy.

[Quin]

@Nacho : You look to rely a lot on an ability to townread and then use PoE, even this early. How much weight do you give to conscious vs unconscious scum moves? I have noticed that you approach people's posts as if you were scum in their shoes and make your read based on if you think they'd consciously post what they did with the proposed scum intent, in my experience this is rare.

Mafia generally don't purposely post as if they are mustache twirling villains even if it comes off that way in someones scumread. Their subconscious guilt is how these slips are made.

I think that most things that mafia post are unconscious, yes, but behind each unconscious post there are typically one of three guiding principles: 1) "I want to survive", 2) "I want to look town", 3) I want to lynch town. So when I say that something seems to lack scum motivation, it's because I don't think that a player would think that it doesn't push towards any one of those goals; when I say that I don't think that Metalmarsh would share his Day 1 goal of not being instantly lynched in thread, I don't think that this would be a conscious decision, I think that it's just something that he would feel uncomfortable doing. My argument for Quin being town isn't that they would sit down and weigh the advantages and disadvantages of self-voting versus not self-voting; it lies more along the lines of thinking that he would put some sort of thought before locking down one of his weapons against town so quickly and no lines of thought really point towards "no, self-vote".

Was there a argument in particular you were referring to when you made this post?

No one argument, you addressed the main two there.

Voting isn't a mafia weapon so much as it is town's. A lot of mafia players view voting as an inconvenience rather than a tool at their disposal and being freed from any pressure to vote is a blessing. Mind you, on the forum I come from I have never played a game where votes weren't changeable, mafia would be even more uncomfortable voting if they couldn't change. That they can't change weakens it's use as a weapon for them as well. The main point in Quin's favor to me is that the host wouldn't state if votes are final, forcing someone to vote to find out. Would have been preferable for him to vote a scumread but as is, hes not high up on potential lynch candidates.

Would you say your suspicion of Long Con stems from a differing view on if chaotic posts like Wilgy's are scummy? I don't see any way to look at Wilgy's post favorably. If he is telling the truth about not looking at his role PM, then he is going against the spirit of the rules and if he did get randomized scum, will not display the subconscious guilt that comes from one knowing they are scum. If he is lying then his motivation can only be to deceive or troll.

[VOTE: ] aubergine

[VOTE:

I'm not sure why I was pinged by this post, but I do disagree with it. Voting is just as much as a mafia weapon as it is civs. Hell, look at my Mad Max game. My voting record was probably half the reason that I all-but secured the win there. I'm not familiar enough with Soneji to actually suspect him for this, but I'm willing to put it down as a conflict of opinion.] aubergine

[Quin]

sig, I've provided more reads on players than almost everyone else in the game. If you can't remember my content that's on you, not me.

I suspect sig for this. There's another post later on I'll get to eventually, but I could easily interpret this as a bad sig not even reading the thread, hence 'not remembering' a whole 17 (... )meaty posts in a row from MP.

[Quin]

Monkey Island -- Day 1 -- MP Rainbow #1

Boomslang
Golden
Long Con
Macdougall
Nachomamma8
Quin
Scotty
Snow Dog

a2thezebra
Black Rock
DFaraday
DrWilgy
Elohcin
Epignosis
Metalmarsh89
motel room
nijuukyugou
sig
Vompatti

Soneji

Pretty early rainbow, hence players are not ranked within groups (note that they are alphabetical), and I only have slight town and slight mafia reads. I'll distinguish between varying strengths of my reads as the need arises.

Note to self: review the thread and find some more mafia reads, dammit.

Transistor Day 1: MP was bad.

Spoiler: show

MP Rainbow List #1

Slight Town:
AllAlongtheBoardwalk
DrumBeats
Elohcin

Null:
a2thezebra
agleaminranks
DFaraday
DrWilgy
Illyria
JaggedJimmyJay
Matt
Nerolunar
nijuukyugou
reywaS
sig
thellama73

Slight Mafia:
nutella

Currently players are NOT ranked within groups by order of suspicion; rather, they are alphabetical.

Too many nulls. Please post more, nulls! So far, reywaS hasn't posted at all, and DFaraday and sig haven't posted yet during Day 1. Did I miss anyone else? Hope to hear from them soon.

I'm town reading AATB due to his contribution to the discussion last night when I pressured him, though I want more. I wasn't sure what to make of DrumBeats but having caught up now I'm seeing his attempts to engage people with this plan as genuinely town-minded, but it's still a slight lean. Elohcin is active and I'm enjoying it; I also am reading her attempts to engage others so far as genuine, and her frustrations displayed a townie mindset. All minor, but they're all worth town reads nonetheless. I think forming town reads, even very slight at this stage, is just as important as identifying mafia leans, perhaps even more so. So I intend on trying to sort through these as the day progresses and hopefully form some more. Please help me out with that, folks! Show me your townie spark.

I don't know what to think of JJJ just yet; I know he's busier right now and in three games so I'll try not to judge him harshly for lack of supatown, but it's inevitable to hold high expectations for him. I've found his light interrogation of me to be a bit peculiar, and I don't really understand where he's coming from at all this game. I'd like to engage with him about this game in real time because we have zero mindmeld going on right now and that's just not right.

I'm OK with Illyria, nijuu, Nero, and Llama's content so far, but it's not enough to make me feel any way about their alignments just yet. I need more.

a2thezebra, DrWilgy, and Matt are all in a similar category to me right now of WTF/???/Null, because they seem to playing outwardly in a way that could be considered anti-town, but I know better about all of them than to believe that such behavior is alignment indicative. I wish zebra would get her head in the game and address some concerns though, and I'd like to see some more from Wilgy and Matt. I don't know what to make of zebra and Matt's votes being cast already, frankly. I could vote for any of these three, maybe, if they fail to contribute anything else during d1 and I don't have any other even remotely confident mafia reads.

I'm really torn on agleaminranks -- I liked his contributions with respect to The Process, and that he was willing to throw out a few town reads (maybe?), but he needs to elaborate there. In contrast, I think it's easy to throw shade on Elo and DB in light of the "proposal", so those two being his only two people he'd consider a vote for at this time concerns me a bit, but to be fair to him he did express pretty limited intention in doing so (in contrast to one other player). I await more posts from him before committing to a read.

That last point brings me to nutella. I think she's brought awesome knowledge with respect to the theme, but with regards to strictly game-related content she was quick to jump on both Elo and DB for DB's proposal, and I see that as potentially convenient. She said there's possible "nefarious" intent in what DB has said; considering he proposes no current plan of action, and understanding his plan as is since he has elaborated, I don't see any such intent. I would like to hear her elucidate this matter; pending her explanation, she could move back up to null. Otherwise, I'm inclined to believe she may be taking advantage of easy targets, particularly due to the relative strong diction of her wording:

OK, I'm back from graduating!! and caught up.

Zebra, I have no idea how you got so confused but it's pretty weird that you voted without even looking at the poll time.

Matt's inexplicable naming of Niju as the Process is perplexing and his refusal to explain it is even more so. Matt tends to be zany but I'm keeping an eye on him for this strange behavior.

I think that Drum's alliance proposition is probably a terrible idea and might have nefarious motivations. The Process is just one role/player, so even with its many powers it probably won't be impossible to get rid of, while the Camerata team is a significant threat and more in number for us to take down. I find Drum quite suspicious for the proposal and I also find Elo suspicious for expressing interest in it and then sort of covering her tracks -- although I believe that she wasn't outright agreeing to the plan in the first place but considering it as an option, but it's still kind of surprising that she jumped on it without acknowledging its suspicious nature.

There's still a whole day but it's looking likely I'll want to vote for either Drum or Elo.


linki @ Drum: huh, I don't really understand, you think the mafia can target specific elements? if they can, will we be told a process element has been eliminated? This all seems pretty speculative, and regardless I largely agree with niju that any degree of alliance/trusting the mafia is too risky especially in such a small game.

Aaaand there's a Cell sock account

Note the contrast between "might be nefarious" and "quite suspicious" for DB and "suspicious" for Elo. I sense a disconnect.

Furthermore, it appears to me that she suspects Elo for agreeing with a plan that she doesn't agree with, but I think Elo's train of thought regarding the matter is transparent, at least from where I'm sitting, and nutella even recognizes this to some degree but still finds Elo suspect.

Moreover, the most suspicious statement is nutella's propensity to feel OK with a vote for either Elo or DB at this point in the day phase, especially not having discussed any other reads (zebra, Matt, me, anyone else). I need to hear from nutella about this ASAP.

Romance of the Three Kingdoms Day 1: MP was bad.

Spoiler: show

I would be willing to throw out the following slight town GTHs:

Boomslang
Dragon D. Luffy
JaggedJimmyJay
Quin
Turnip Head

Could change at the drop of a hat, but so far I'm feeling OK at what they've brought to this thread so far. Anybody else have some GTHs yet?

Star Wars Day 1: MP was bad.

Spoiler: show

Day 1 MP rainbow reads list:

MacDougall

bcornett24
Golden

a2thezebra
Bass_the_Clever
Black Rock
Canucklehead
Dragon D. Luffy
Elohcin
Metalmarsh89
sig
Simon
Sorsha

Bubbles
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Glorfindel
Luke11646
Mishimeals
NANANANANANA_BANANA
nijuukyugou
Roxy
TheFloyd73

Matt F
Russtifinko

Enrique

Players are arranged alphabetically within groups.

I forced myself to avoid neutral (yellow) reads, which was pretty tough considering there are too many players with too little content to analyze at this stage.

Protip: MovingPictures07 is always bad in my games.

Arkham Day 2: MP was good.

Spoiler: show

Day 2 MP rainbow list:

Scotty

DharmaHelper
Turnip Head
S~V~S
Enrique
bea

Bass_the_Clever
MacDougall
Typhoony
Dom
Golden
Sorsha
sprityo
a2thezebra

Bullzeye
juliets
sabie12
Glorfindel
Metalmarsh89

Lorab
Black Rock
DFaraday
Bubbles
TheFloyd73
Equivocate
sig
Matt

ekeknat
Nerolunar

Well, here are my crap rainbow reads. Forced myself to evaluate everyone, though many of these are subject to change since they're almost entirely tone/gut-based for the time being. Unfortunately, I don't feel like I have any solid leads. Need to start evaluate voting records and opinions more so and revise going forward.

But now it's bed time, and as I stated earlier, I have a pretty busy weekend ahead of me. I'll see what I can do, as I'd like to (mafia is way more enjoyable than most everything else). Until later, folks.

Watchmen Day 3: MP was good.

Spoiler: show

Here are all of the players that I'm currently considering for my vote, from least to most likely:

G-Man
Metalmarsh89

LoRab

Cookie
Dragon D. Luffy

espers

That was after extensive commentary on every person earlier on.

Looking at other hosts now.

Rocky & Bullwinkle Day 2: MP was good.

Spoiler: show

Day 2 rainbow list:

Sloonei

a2thezebra

S~V~S
Elohcin
Sorsha

bea
sprityo
sabie12

DrWilgy
nijuukyugou
Scotty

Long Con

indiglo
Epignosis

My impression here is that evil MP makes less nuanced first lists than good MP (Star Wars is the obvious outlier). I haven't found one example of a good MP making a three-colored first list.

His first list here falls into the bad MP tendency.

Mad Max is a perfect example of a civ MP making three-tiered lists.

[Quin]

Nacho has too many posts for me to reference any specific one, but my biggest observation is this:

He reminds me of me, in that he's constantly trying to continue a dialogue with whoever he's talking to. He's showing a genuine thought process, he's not shying away from any conflicting opinions and he's spearheading his own case. Townie points for this guy.

In reading, so many people are saying 'Nacho reminds me of x'. Are we sure that Nachomomma isn't some artificial lifeform grown from our DNA or something?

[Quin]

This was a very weak reason I'm espacilly eyeing MP and the people who voted for Zebra.

I also find it odd WIlgy missed the vote, if MP does end up being mafia I'd like to look into lynching Wilgy.

Its day 1. What more convincing articles could you have for day 1?

And "the people who voted zebra" are...just me. Can I help you with your eyes?

Snow also voted for Zebra you don't seem to be reading clearly.

MP didn't mention his vote was self preservation when he did the voting though, that just came up after motel flipped. I'm really being pinged by MP right now.

I also really dislike this post from sig. I feel like the emphasis on this post is being put on the fact that 'MP didn't justify it as self-preservation beforehand' instead of 'I don't believe that MP voted out of self-preservation'. Why did you come to the conclusion you did, sig?

[Quin]

Spoiler: show

Haha thanks.

Epignosis is bad. Discuss.

Also a slight townlean for getting the game going, although I'm not sure where this scumlean in particular is coming from.

Haha thanks.

Epignosis is bad. Discuss.

He's 90 percent fluff at this point. I can't shape a read out of it yet. It's at least interesting from a meta standpoint, though.

Is being this fluffy out of character for him? Do you think that his fluffiness stands out when a majority of players have that same 90 - 10 fluff-nonfluff ratio?

I am turning 30 in under 3 hours.

Congratulations!!!

*emerges from the birth canal*

Maybe it's time for me to do some role analysis and then get some votes for it for being "overly helpful".

I liked this post too!!! Don't really have a reason for why and won't pretend like I do, just like how the line talking about how he's going to get voted for his approach sounds; probably good for along the same lines as Metal's "I promised I wouldn't get lynched D1" post.

Hey Mac, it's clear we are both civilian this game so let's team up.

Why are you reading Mac civillian?

Today has been very quiet so far... Not much to go on other than Vomps asking for volunteers. Which is asking people to do the civs' work for them, but in Day 1, I suppose it's just an opening gambit.

Take your hands off your ears, and maybe you'll hear all the things people have to say.

All the things.

Unless this is a joke I'm not picking up on, it seems like you're implying there's more to pick up on that Boomslang is missing; why not comment on any of it?

Just a little over 24 hours remaining and we've had hardly any on-topic discussion. Let's change that.

Mac, tell me why Epi is bad.
LC, what did you gain from your role analysis?
Everyone else, do you have any thoughts on anyone's alignment so far for even weak reasons/pings? If so, what are they?

Why did it take you so long to get the ball rolling?
It might have been a poor character judgment considering the whole "we've never played together" thing, but I sort of expected you to be an active driving force before this point. I like that you're questioning people for small pings, but why haven't you talked about yours? Why haven't you talked about your Mac civilian read yet?

Is it possible to earn gold?

Not unless Santa Claus gives you a shovel.

@ Your address of me - I think so. Epi usually comes across in games as more to the point and serious. I checked a few of his town games and he tends to get right into things. I didn't check his bad games, because I'm a lazy shit. That's not to say that he never posts fluff, but at the time his posts weren't what I was used to.

Looked into this a bit more, by looking at two of Epi's full-game baddie games (Turf Wars and The Office). An observation is that in each he started with off topic fluff posts, stuck his toes in the water with some jokey on-topic posts and then evolved to Epi as we know him after around the fifth post. His posts in this game don't follow that same pattern, but I'm not about to suspect him based on meta.

[Quin]

replace 'suspect' at the end with 'clear'.

[Tangrowth]

I apologize for my demeanor last night; I had an emotionally tumultuous day to begin with so I was already riled up. I also, despite my best efforts to keep calm, cannot help but slip into panic mode early in these games when I get hit with a ton of suspicion in Days 1 and 2, regardless of alignment. For baddie MP, it's: "oh shit, now the spotlight is on me, don't fuck this up... if you do feel your lynch is inevitable, just create chaotic links in your demise (it's how your team won WWE after all). For town MP, it's perhaps even more frustrating, which is what I'm really struggling with in this game, particularly last night: "oh here we fucking go again, another Day 1/2 where I attract suspicion to me like some supercharged supermagnet... there are XX other players in this game that aren't being assessed and meanwhile everyone is wasting their time with me, dammit, what did I do wrong again?"

Either way, the frustration is entirely real, but beyond a certain point it has no place in the thread. I'll try to temper myself as much as possible.

[Tangrowth]

Whatever, it's a bullshit pattern,

.

It isn't bullshit, and it isn't really a pattern. It's a tendency.

If you can't see why Epi's observation is absolutely myopic and a waste of time, I don't know what to say. If you all are going to mislynch me, just save me the trouble. I'm done talking about this nonsense.

I can only wonder if you would be this passionate about how much I'm wasting my time if I were discussing someone else.

You're right, I'm sorry, this is all fair game. Part of this is that I can never figure out what your intentions really are -- in past situations in which you've grilled me on something that seemed minute in early game often times I always took you 100% seriously and then you thereafter indicated that you were applying pressure to some degree.

I should be assessed. It's part of the game after all.

[Tangrowth]

Economics Mafia. I was town. Made multiple rainbow lists on Day 1.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 64#p142864
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 87#p143187

I don't think you understand what I observed. It isn't that you make rainbows on Day 1.

That's my bad, I should have been clearer. I was throwing those out for Golden based on his interpretation of "town MP doesn't make rainbow lists on Day 1". I knew this didn't have any relevance to the argument you specifically were making.

[Tangrowth]

I believe you, mp.

Actually, mostly I wanted to test whether I believed epi was genuine. I do. So I have both of you as town reads.

But you shouldn't confuse wrong with meritless. If you extract yourself from being the one accused, I think you would see the need to test.

I do, you're right. It's just frustrating because I know I'm town and I know my own intentions in this game, so it fuels my perspective, but I cannot use any of that as evidence because none of you know my alignment. I can't sit here and say i recall all of the minute details that caused past-MP to craft his first in-game rainbow lists in those games with various levels of tiers and at what time he felt comfortable doing so, but I threw out multiple other considerations that should be not taken lightly, and I think those are still valid.

[Tangrowth]

I'm trusting my process and voting MovingPictures07.

Your process is BS and I think you know it.

Is that a formal accusation?

I call baloney on this post (the MP response). MP said he "thinks" Epignosis knows his process is BS. Choice of words point to MP not being very convincing.

I used the word "think" for a reason. I can't ever know for sure what Epi (of all people) is thinking. The only explanation that made sense to me in the line of fire after Epi tossed away my additional points was that he was being purposefully cavalier, but now that others have come out and expressed interest in the case I realize that there must be something to it and I'm being colored by it being baseless due to the fact that it's me in the hot seat.

[Tangrowth]

I swear to dog I'm This close to changing my autocorrect so every time I post dog it's sig instead

I GIVE UP GOODNIGHT