Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

[Soneji]

The silly argument is that saying the amount of towncred that might be achievable with what Dys pulled is worth the high possibility of getting lynched, especially when hammer rules are in play.

I haven't seen a single person give actual town cred to Dys. Several people are still voting for Dys based on it and others like myself and Golden have outright stated that Dys should not get towncred.

Silly arguments are not exactly mafia motivated arguments though, which is why I'm not voting you. What I don't understand is that if you are so convinced of the probability of a mafia Dys posting a fake slip to gain town cred, why aren't you voting Dys?

Please quote where I stated that I am convinced that Dys is mafia and did it to gain town cred.

I'll wait, while you fabricate another silly argument.

You are certainly convinced that the probability that Dys would do it for town cred is high and have posted rather clear suspicion on multiple occasions, alongside your own suspicion on my argument against it being a smart play. Multiquoting is too much of a pain on my phone and anyone who checks your post history can see the posts I have referenced.

I have to wonder what mafia motivation I have to argue against the idea that what Dys did is a good play? Do you think I'm scummates with Dys?

This whole fabricating argument thing is getting a bit old.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/infer

One of the most important words to know in the game of mafia. Learn it.

[Dyslexicon]

Response to Dyslexicon:

1. I flagged you but didn't vote for the same reason Jay did: to wait for your response. I did mention this, but kind of in the second degree because I was advising someone not to pile votes on you until you responded.

2. Unless the marmot has actual reason to suspect me, I wouldn't read into his vote for me too deeply. He and I have history: in the Talking Heads game I tunneled him hard out of desperation and game-fatigue. He owes me many, many lynch votes. That is, unless he has actual reasons to vote for me pertaining to this game.

3. Mentioning my paranoia was a fluff post, and not at all sincere. I haven't played Mafia in...like, a year? More? That was just me saying it was good to be back.

4. Brusquely saying, 'No,' to my posts without explanation felt almost like you were trying to alienate me or something, because I've played only one game here before. I was taking it personally, I'm disregarding it now, never mind.

5. Most importantly: your response to the 'slip'. Your initial responses read as aloof, as if to laughingly blame us for misreading an obvious and dumb mistake. You insisted that you weren't dumb enough to make such a mistake--something backed up by Jay, who said that not even most beginners would slip such information.

But as Jay also said, even vets mistakes. Egregious ones. I've done it. Jay's done it. Most vets I've played with have done it. I think that the true mistake is not so much in your original slip but the manner in which you responded to it. First aloofness, and then explaining yourself.

Also, citing other games and saying, 'But look at my meta! See? I've done this before!' is a classic scum move.

Vote Dyslexicon

1. Will look back at it.
2. I didn't mention Marmot voting you. Any particular reason you bring this up?
3. It was not sincere? Why would you make an insincere post about you being paranoid as town? Can you expand a bit on this point? Obviously it did stand out to me Day 0.
4. I'm sorry if you took it personally. Nothing I write in games is meant to be personal, it's all within the game. I've also only played one game here.
5. I don't think I said all those things, and I'm not trying to blame anyone. I was surprised by the gravity of suspicion, but it was interesting. Jay is actually saying something entirely different than you about the situation. I find it very hard to see how you can't understand that it was done on purpose. Do you actually believe I just happened to have my most recent game doing the exact same thing? You are picking out individual parts to form your suspicion on me, but the whole picture does not make sense. I'm obviously biased, as I'm me, but an argument of me being scum making an elaborate play of pretending to be town fake slipping would make much more sense to me, personally, than what you are arguing.

I also want to hear about other reads you have. Does anyone in this game seem town to you?

[Dyslexicon]

I think the value of changeable votes is in late-phase maneuvering, not in pressure. Townies lose a lot of their ability to cooperate if they're stuck with just one vote all day. That's just Mafia theory though, don't mind me.

At my home site we almost always have people hanging out in a graveyard thread talking mafia theory and discussing reads. Basically just wantching. It's:

[Dyslexicon]

Dizzy I keep switching your pronouns around in my head; I'm sorry. I guess I'm getting it right some of the time.

Honestly doesn't matter to me. Gender schmender. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Dyslexicon]

@Jay: I believe he made a mistake here, yes.

And the game he said it in had information in the OP of how many scum there were. So, what I think happened is that Dyslexicon slipped, remembered a very recent time that he made that claim, and pointed to it as meta.

No. (And this time the respons is most fitting.)
Where did you pull this from?

[Dyslexicon]

Bottom line is, Dizzy had some reason to make a claim in that game. Not as much here.

I also explicitly called it a fakeslip in that other game. So it's clear that that's what it was.
Are you unamused at me suspecting you?

[Silver Lantern]

You are certainly convinced that the probability that Dys would do it for town cred is high and have posted rather clear suspicion on multiple occasions, alongside your own suspicion on my argument against it being a smart play. Multiquoting is too much of a pain on my phone and anyone who checks your post history can see the posts I have referenced.

I have to wonder what mafia motivation I have to argue against the idea that what Dys did is a good play? Do you think I'm scummates with Dys?

This whole fabricating argument thing is getting a bit old.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/infer

One of the most important words to know in the game of mafia. Learn it.

And I have to wonder what mafia motivation you have to continue to argue with the person you deemed "the most ultra-defensive person you've ever met in mafia?"

Just to be clear I did not vote for you because I think you're mafia mates with anyone or not. Like I've explained at least twice now, I voted for you for making silly arguments like "gaining town cred is not beneficial to mafia." And apparently I don't know when to back down, so we can keep at this for as long as you keep responding. I am just an ultra-defensive guy over here.

[Silver Lantern]

The Posts here don't have post #s or am I just not looking in the right spot?

Complaint # 7 JJJ!

[Dyslexicon]

I've got some stuff to say too, if you'd be so kind as to answer to the contradiction I pointed out in your posts, Dys.

I didn't understand what you meant, so please explain?

You said earlier that you had three scum reads, but you later denied having any. Why?

Oh. I mentioned the "three reads" so that the post would look somewhat natural so it would be believable. Or else I wouldn't have any reason to talk numbers at all. So "There's five scum, but I only have three scum reads" would read more natural than just randomly state five scums in isolation.

[Dyslexicon]

- So I think Golden is coming across as more town in the whole Golden/JJJ discussion.
- Interestingly Speed is staying out of that whole conversation, even though it started with him. Should probably ISO Speed for my own part.

[Dyslexicon]

Trust me, I already have the most difficult meta on the Internet (my own fault) to deal with as a baddie. I'm not interested in welcoming additional challenges. I am usually a successful baddie, but I get there by being quite boring. Unfortunately all I have is my word there, because there've so few recent examples of me being bad. I think the random number generator even finds me boring and doesn't give me those roles.

Your argument here makes sense, and is probably truthful at a general level. However, you did not "pick a fight" with Golden just by pointing something out. It takes two to tango, and Golden went back at you immediately pretty hard, and then the whole conversation unfolded from there. So I would personally deem this argument pretty irrelevant to the situation unless you want to argue that you would not question Golden at all if you were scum, which I don't believe is the case. This is not so much a point of suspicion to me as the logic is just bugging me. You're using hindsight here.

[Long Con]

If he's referring to 3J, marmot and Golden specifically, all of them had already claimed. I don't think controlling the conversation is something baddies 'will do', rather I think it's just a constant approach to the game. I don't really see it.

He's not talking about claiming, he's talking about them controlling/influencing the direction we take based on them being the map holder. Which, if it were going to happen... well, it would make more sense to keep quiet about it and catch them in the act, rather than blurting it outright and making sure it doesn't happen.

I'm like Tom Cruise in Minority Report. I'm trying to stop crimes BEFORE THEY EVEN HAPPEN.

But seriously, if I suspect civilians are being misled, I'm gonna say so. I'm not one to hold back until someone screws up, and complain after the fact.

I can understand that point of view, so let me lay down this one for you: we don't get to catch baddies this way. We don't have a justice system going here that is equipped to handle pre-crime.

I believe a more effective tactic would be to use POE - Predict, Observe, Explain. You already predicted what a baddie would do, so the next step isn't to blurt it out, it is to observe to see if anyone's actions follow along with what you predicted. Explain the crime when you have more proof. POE! Then the baddies won't see you coming, and it will be too late to adjust their behaviour to your *unstated* Civ expectations.

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Dyslexicon: Is it over? Your fakeslip plan? Should we keep discussing it, or drop it and move on?

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JJJ/Golden: During the exchange, I was of the opinion that JJJ was trying to pick Golden apart, and put him into a rock/hard place situation. His final words on it are a pretty strong explanation, but I don't doubt that he can sling a fancy word or two when needed. Slight scum lean on you, JJJ. You might have just pulled the chute when Golden turned into biting off more than you could chew.

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I'm going to go back and grab that GTH request I saw my name in. I feel like I'm doing way more catching up than reflecting and posting. I think I will appreciate that the nights are silent here. Time to reflect and prepare for the next day.

[Fredwood]

Well, if it was just the slip, there wouldn't be an issue I think. However the interaction with Silver, and the one about lady's being town Sorsha I think? (name of the player escapes me), and INH the interaction (Which I actually think Quin is correct for putting him to taks). Basically anything that flared up or was debated Quine was in the middle of it.

It's something to keep in mind not something to take as gospel. Just my experience with good players. Quin may just be the thread enforcer in general, and this probably just increases my likelihood of being scum in their eyes.

I do not understand how being something 'in general' can enforce the likelihood of being scum. Can you elaborate?

It doesn't. If this is how you generally play this is how you generally play, I have no context to have a meta read you. I can only draw from my experience, which tells me to be careful of overly trusting early game aggressive day phase runners. It's insular if anything because I've been fooled before.

[Golden]

This is not so much a point of suspicion to me as the logic is just bugging me. You're using hindsight here.

Yeah, he said something like 'why would I draw golden's ire' as well, but he knows that I'm quite willing to say that someone who suspects me is doing so from a genuine town perspective if I think that they are. I'm a big opponent of the false 'if you come after me, you must be bad' logic, and I like to believe I don't fall into that trope.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is not so much a point of suspicion to me as the logic is just bugging me. You're using hindsight here.

Yeah, he said something like 'why would I draw golden's ire' as well, but he knows that I'm quite willing to say that someone who suspects me is doing so from a genuine town perspective if I think that they are. I'm a big opponent of the false 'if you come after me, you must be bad' logic, and I like to believe I don't fall into that trope.

I do think you return accusations upon your accusers more often than many, or at least more often than other high volume posters similar to you. It isn't meant as a criticism, just an observation of your meta. It's actually the main reason I ended my share of the discussion -- your treatment of me in response to my questioning, whether my questions were fair or not, was in line with behavior I've often seen from you (recently in particular).

[Fredwood]

Color me extremely unimpressed by Dizzy's reads.

Yeah, they're fair reads but they don't incorporate the fakeslip that much, making it a semi useless and less believable tactic.

Currently of the opinion his real slip turned into a "fake slip" and the three reads/no reads thing was done after the fact to reinforce the "fake slip."

Zebra never convinced me last game (especially given her scum role in the end) that being scummy for the sake of getting a reaction was a good idea when there are plenty of better ways to get reactions. Hard to tell pouncing scummers and pouncing townies apart when you make yourself a juicy target for both.




Proud of Fred for giving early reads. Disappointed in Fred for reading me as scum without giving reasons. Play more better. I know you can. Why do you suspect me, Fred?

I believe I said slight scum, and that was because I've never seen you passive. Granted you said you lost the e-mail, but the even in the posts following that statement I wasn't sure to make of them, felt out of character and in the face of the unknown I distrust it.

With the dizzying flurry of posts since I've last checked the thread, you've returned to what feels familiar to me, so I'm back to a neutral read. Now I just distrust you out of habit not because of a misread behavior.

To be fair I was just voicing my gut, early cold reads are not things I readily share because I don't like making judgments without context, but it seems to be en vogue here.

[Long Con]

The Posts here don't have post #s or am I just not looking in the right spot?

Complaint # 7 JJJ!

I would like to see some of these ideas implemented here. I don't think it's impossible to make improvements like these - some of them, I remember from previous Mafia sites I have frequented, and I miss them!

This is not so much a point of suspicion to me as the logic is just bugging me. You're using hindsight here.

Yeah, he said something like 'why would I draw golden's ire' as well, but he knows that I'm quite willing to say that someone who suspects me is doing so from a genuine town perspective if I think that they are. I'm a big opponent of the false 'if you come after me, you must be bad' logic, and I like to believe I don't fall into that trope.

I do think you return accusations upon your accusers more often than many, or at least more often than other high volume posters similar to you. It isn't meant as a criticism, just an observation of your meta. It's actually the main reason I ended my share of the discussion -- your treatment of me in response to my questioning, whether my questions were fair or not, was in line with behavior I've often seen from you (recently in particular).

I agree with this, and I will add that, even when returning an accusation, civ Golden is usually very fair about holding on to it or letting go.

[Dyslexicon]

Can Dyslexicon please answer this question?

I can, though I personally don't think it's very relevant. As a matter of fact the only player even commenting on it in that game turned out to be scum. She commented, then forgot about it, and when I reminded her next game day she tried to twist it to an argument for suspicion. I had had a tunnel-vision scum read on her regardless of this (that I struggled to articulate, cause it was very gut-based), so I'm not sure the fakeslip in itself really did that much (also, the site meta makes that situation different - it's more interesting here).

This rant is only half relevant:
However, I believe JJJ and Golden's take that I "just like to do stuff like that" is more relevant. Have you ever done something just because you felt like it? Obviously, that is not the whole story, but I generally like to experiment and try to expand possibilities. I'm also think I'm generally better at creating waves than forming solid reads, especially D1 (though me reads haven't been bad lately actually). In short, I'm trying to make my own style, personality and game philosophy work for me and for town. Sometimes I may go overboard, sometimes I think the style works for me (both as in I feel good about my play and I'm having fun). Some players may find it perplexing or even "not good play". Personally, I don't believe there's any one way to play mafia as long as you try your best to play to your wincon. Different players do it in different ways, which makes the game even harder and more exciting.

What is regretful is that I may have taken up too much time and attention. And while I'm an attention whore, it may not have been the best situation. But what's done is done and I have beer in my fridge.

[Fredwood]

Man, I'm dizzy, so many posts, so much arguing. That Dale Cooper flashing avatar isn't helping in the dark.

[Dyslexicon]

Dyslexicon: Is it over? Your fakeslip plan? Should we keep discussing it, or drop it and move on?

I mean, everything in the thread is information. I guess you should focus on what seems interesting and important to you, and thenI will judge you hard and see if you're scum for it things develop from there.

[Golden]

Some notes:

I'm not going to vote for any of the syndicate first timers out of principle. This is RM culture and I believe strongly in it. Besides common courtesy, it's an acknowledgement that there's no basis on which I can rely on reads based on such little exposure to you.

I'm also not going to vote for Jay, despite the fact he's been my only real active suspicion today. This is kind of an arsey elitist thing to say, but I think he's of a lot of value to the town if I'm wrong about him, for a couple of reasons. I'd rather wait a day or two and see how things develop.

Quin, Marmot, Dizzy, Nacho and Jack all look fine to me, so I won't be voting them today.

That leaves a pool for me to think about and analyse of: inh, sig, soneji, long con, wilgy, sorsha, nutella, scotty, eloh, df, strawhenge. I'll look into as many of these as I can in the time I have.

[Dyslexicon]

Man, I'm dizzy, so many posts, so much arguing. That Dale Cooper flashing avatar isn't helping in the dark.

No, I'm Dizzy! Which reminds me, someone I don't know was calling me by my nickname and it stood out to me. Marmot, Spped, Sonji and Jack are all on my "should go through their ISO's"-list, and I think it was one of them.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm okay with giving the newcomers a Day 1 pass. My vote is likely to land on one of the low-tier contributors. I think this has been a very good first day for dialogue, and it's left me feeling okay about most of the people who helped make that happen.

[Fredwood]

And for my next trick, I will ignore Fred's last post.

Currently reading Silver, Jtrips as slight town, Scotty and Sorsha as slight scum. Might change those reads when I get further. Like Silver's growling at Quin. Dislike Scotty's fake read and redirect thereof. Dislike Sorsha's two almost random map nominees and defense thereof. Like Jimmy pointing it out.

Wilgy and Marmot are being amusing. Null read so far.

Caught up to this point. Still feel this way about all these players.

Feeling positive towards Fred but that may just be because I want him to play more better (i.e. more scumhunting, less waiting around for night results) and I know he's capable of playing more better cause he's a bright fellow (falling into the middle of the "clutch realmser" tier who can solve games once all the clues are out but rarely gets out there and creates the clues during the day) and I see him trying to play more better.

But does that make him a townie? "Probably" says other people. "We'll see" says me. Same for Silver but with the added fearless townie bonus.

I don't like Nachos's "okay, I've found scum" and "these folks are obviously town" posts. Like, bro, you had me fooled last game but I don't get the impression you're THAT good, know what I mean? Has Sorsha/Sonjei's problem of me only ever playing with scum Nacho (and 10 years ago over the top bulldog townie Nacho) so I can't answer "but would he do this anyway as a townie?"

Loving everything from JJJ and Nutella


Half rainbow:
GREEN
Jack
JTrips
Nut
Silver
No avatar guy. Speedchuck?
LIGHT GREEN
Quin
Fred
Golden
YELLOW
Marmot
LC
Sig
ORANGE
Sorsha
Nacho
Sonjei
That guy who looks like Scotty but isn't Scotty. Who was like "I lied about my town read"
RED
Dizzy

What's neutral? I guess I put JJJ in Light green and Quin in Yellow. The rest are good I guess, I don't have a ton of info, I'm assuming Dizzy is Dys? I really not picking up scum, just shenanigans for shenanigans sake so yellow?.

It's amusing how Standard Silver, silver is playing. So I agree with Orange on Sonjei because of how Green SIlver is being right now so I'm siding with him in the argument out of habit I guess.

[Dyslexicon]

Color me extremely unimpressed by Dizzy's reads.

Yeah, they're fair reads but they don't incorporate the fakeslip that much, making it a semi useless and less believable tactic.

Currently of the opinion his real slip turned into a "fake slip" and the three reads/no reads thing was done after the fact to reinforce the "fake slip."

Any reads you disagree on or want to discuss?
And yeah, having the intention of making waves that can be read into doesn't guarantee that I alone will be able to form strong and accurate reads from that or any other play, whether they are tactical, spontanious or standard. But it would be nice if the game was that easy.

I can't process the last sentence - can you rephrase?

[Dyslexicon]

While giving passes is admirable and very nice and all, I'm not about that at all. Don't even know who's who, but I just want to have the best lynch regardless of how new or not they are. I guess I'm just not that nice.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm okay with giving the newcomers a Day 1 pass. My vote is likely to land on one of the low-tier contributors. I think this has been a very good first day for dialogue, and it's left me feeling okay about most of the people who helped make that happen.

Can you name specific names? Who's "most people"?

[Long Con]

Dyslexicon: Is it over? Your fakeslip plan? Should we keep discussing it, or drop it and move on?

I mean, everything in the thread is information. I guess you should focus on what seems interesting and important to you, and thenI will judge you hard and see if you're scum for it things develop from there.

Your overall tactic with the fakeslip, then, is to send it out into the world and let it develop on its own through the eyes of others?

[Dyslexicon]

Dyslexicon: Is it over? Your fakeslip plan? Should we keep discussing it, or drop it and move on?

I mean, everything in the thread is information. I guess you should focus on what seems interesting and important to you, and thenI will judge you hard and see if you're scum for it things develop from there.

Your overall tactic with the fakeslip, then, is to send it out into the world and let it develop on its own through the eyes of others?

Sure, that too. Everything in the game belongs to the game. Do I look like someone with a grand plan?



Finally fully caught up. Still can't make my head deal with the map thing, but I don't know if it makes any real difference anyway and is certainly less important than finding scum.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm okay with giving the newcomers a Day 1 pass. My vote is likely to land on one of the low-tier contributors. I think this has been a very good first day for dialogue, and it's left me feeling okay about most of the people who helped make that happen.

Can you name specific names? Who's "most people"?

I haven't rainbowed in a while. I'll do that. The tiers are in an order, but the names within the tiers are not.

Silver Lantern
Golden
nutella

insertnamehere
Soneji
Quin
Dyslexicon
Fredwood
Strawhenge
Nachomamma8

DFaraday

sig
Metalmarsh89
Long Con
JOH
speedchuck
Elohcin

DrWilgy
Sorsha

It's sort of a rainbow/GTH hybrid. I listed all the players, put a gun to my head, and forced myself to declare a color. With DF I gave myself a break.

[Strawhenge]

My previous post hidden in spoiler box to shorten post.
My responses to Dys in bold.

Spoiler: show

Response to Dyslexicon:

1. I flagged you but didn't vote for the same reason Jay did: to wait for your response. I did mention this, but kind of in the second degree because I was advising someone not to pile votes on you until you responded.

2. Unless the marmot has actual reason to suspect me, I wouldn't read into his vote for me too deeply. He and I have history: in the Talking Heads game I tunneled him hard out of desperation and game-fatigue. He owes me many, many lynch votes. That is, unless he has actual reasons to vote for me pertaining to this game.

3. Mentioning my paranoia was a fluff post, and not at all sincere. I haven't played Mafia in...like, a year? More? That was just me saying it was good to be back.

4. Brusquely saying, 'No,' to my posts without explanation felt almost like you were trying to alienate me or something, because I've played only one game here before. I was taking it personally, I'm disregarding it now, never mind.

5. Most importantly: your response to the 'slip'. Your initial responses read as aloof, as if to laughingly blame us for misreading an obvious and dumb mistake. You insisted that you weren't dumb enough to make such a mistake--something backed up by Jay, who said that not even most beginners would slip such information.

But as Jay also said, even vets mistakes. Egregious ones. I've done it. Jay's done it. Most vets I've played with have done it. I think that the true mistake is not so much in your original slip but the manner in which you responded to it. First aloofness, and then explaining yourself.

Also, citing other games and saying, 'But look at my meta! See? I've done this before!' is a classic scum move.

Vote Dyslexicon

1. Will look back at it. Here it is.
2. I didn't mention Marmot voting you. Any particular reason you bring this up? Yes you did. Bottom of this post.
3. It was not sincere? Why would you make an insincere post about you being paranoid as town? Can you expand a bit on this point? Obviously it did stand out to me Day 0. Because mafia is about paranoia? And as town one is paranoid because you don't know who to trust? And as scum you're paranoid about being found?
4. I'm sorry if you took it personally. Nothing I write in games is meant to be personal, it's all within the game. I've also only played one game here.
5. I don't think I said all those things, and I'm not trying to blame anyone. I was surprised by the gravity of suspicion, but it was interesting. Jay is actually saying something entirely different than you about the situation. I find it very hard to see how you can't understand that it was done on purpose. Do you actually believe I just happened to have my most recent game doing the exact same thing? You are picking out individual parts to form your suspicion on me, but the whole picture does not make sense. I'm obviously biased, as I'm me, but an argument of me being scum making an elaborate play of pretending to be town fake slipping would make much more sense to me, personally, than what you are arguing. After thinking about this the past few hours at work, I realized my theory made less and less sense as I applied it. I was wrong about it being an outright slip. However, I started thinking about what someone (I forget who) said about your goal being to start a discussion. And now I'm concerned.

Making a fakeslip was going to get a lot of attention, regardless. I want to know WHY you wanted all attention on this situation. Shifting all attention onto one person on a Day 1 seems counterproductive.

I also want to hear about other reads you have. Does anyone in this game seem town to you? Golden and Silver (ha...) seem the most town to me. Long Con has made some weird posts that I want to look into if I get the time tonight. Having played with TownJay and ScumJay and observing that there is very little difference, I wait until he starts delivering scum to the gallows before trusting him. So jury's out on Jay. Quin seems okay. Nutella also.

Honestly your thing happened when I had the most time to devote to the game, so I've only been focusing on that.

[Strawhenge]

OH MY GOD THERE'S A SIRENGIF BUTTON I LOVE IT I WILL NOW DIE HAPPY

[JaggedJimmyJay]

OH MY GOD THERE'S A SIRENGIF BUTTON I LOVE IT I WILL NOW DIE HAPPY

Wow that is hilarious. Good one Marmot, assuming that was you.

[Dyslexicon]

My previous post hidden in spoiler box to shorten post.
My responses to Dys in bold.

The bold doesn't stand out very much in the post, so it's kind of hard to read it that way (just for future reference). I will continue the number thing
1. Thanks.
2. I see. When I said it was "curious" I meant him unvoting me, not that he was voting you specifically (didn't remember that he did). So I see how you thought I commented on Marmot voting you, while I in my mind commented on him unvoting me. Self-centered, you know. :3
3. It read put on to me, as someone faking town paranoia. Maybe it wasn't meant to do anything, but that was my initial reaction.
5. I couldn't predict it would take that much focus, and I didn't really think it through much at all. I didn't want any one thing with it, I wanted [stuff], and [stuff] did happen.

[Dyslexicon]

DrWilgy

What's the basis for your Wilgy read?
Iirc he played in the one game I played here like a year ago, and I'm pretty sure he barely posted, was fluffy and not very caught up most of the game, but he was town. I'd say his play this game day is fairly NAI.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

DrWilgy

What's the basis for your Wilgy read?
Iirc he played in the one game I played here like a year ago, and I'm pretty sure he barely posted, was fluffy and not very caught up most of the game, but he was town. I'd say his play this game day is fairly NAI.

Infrequent posting isn't a big deal for Wilgy. I wouldn't say fluff is a solid town indicator for him though. Even in limited content he usually finds unique ways to hunt within his own bubble, to find connections or points of interest and probe them in his own way. He likes to have fun, but he also likes to play the game. In this game he hasn't done anything with his posts.

Also it looks like I am missing Scotty in the rainbow. Stick him in the orange pile.

[Long Con]

Dyslexicon: Is it over? Your fakeslip plan? Should we keep discussing it, or drop it and move on?

I mean, everything in the thread is information. I guess you should focus on what seems interesting and important to you, and thenI will judge you hard and see if you're scum for it things develop from there.

Your overall tactic with the fakeslip, then, is to send it out into the world and let it develop on its own through the eyes of others?

Sure, that too. Everything in the game belongs to the game. Do I look like someone with a grand plan?



Finally fully caught up. Still can't make my head deal with the map thing, but I don't know if it makes any real difference anyway and is certainly less important than finding scum.

I don't like your answer, friend. I was hoping I'd see something from you that tries to use the "data" you generated. I gave you a couple of chances to come forward with something like that, but it looks to me like it was actually very hollow. If you were honestly using a ploy to generate reads, then you... should be doing that. I think you are false, Slex, and it's time to update my vote.

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[Long Con]

Also, Slex, are all those big-hair women from the same source? You seem to have a lot of them in stock.

[Dyslexicon]

Soneji
Strawhenge
Long Con
JOH
speedchuck
Elohcin

I'm particularly interested in reasoning for read/thoughts on these players if you have anything past gut level?

[Dyslexicon]

I don't like your answer, friend. I was hoping I'd see something from you that tries to use the "data" you generated. I gave you a couple of chances to come forward with something like that, but it looks to me like it was actually very hollow. If you were honestly using a ploy to generate reads, then you... should be doing that. I think you are false, Slex, and it's time to update my vote.

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I AM using that as well as everything else in thread to generate reads. What is the reasoning behind your vote? That I should have better and stronger reads than other players because I used a play that is unconventional on this site? Do you think that makes me more likely scum?

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Also, Slex, are all those big-hair women from the same source? You seem to have a lot of them in stock.

RuPaul's Drag Race.

It's kinda like The Wire, but with drag shows.

[Dyslexicon]

Infrequent posting isn't a big deal for Wilgy. I wouldn't say fluff is a solid town indicator for him though. Even in limited content he usually finds unique ways to hunt within his own bubble, to find connections or points of interest and probe them in his own way. He likes to have fun, but he also likes to play the game. In this game he hasn't done anything with his posts.

Also it looks like I am missing Scotty in the rainbow. Stick him in the orange pile.

Fair enough I guess. I was going to say, I would hope for more than an inactive player for the top scum read. But I don't know if I'm further with that myself, other than having bad hunches on Marmot and to some degree Sonji. Long Con is confusing me ATM, and Jack is confusing me in general. Speaking of Scotty, I recall him having a post that I liked that expressed a certain frustration of not having strong reads and this reminding him of why he prefers to lynch inactives D1. It read more town to me, maybe cause I can relate. Also gun to my head I'd yolo read you as scum. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Soneji
Strawhenge
Long Con
JOH
speedchuck
Elohcin

I'm particularly interested in reasoning for read/thoughts on these players if you have anything past gut level?

The reads were gut level, but I can provide at least a quick blurb.

Soneji - I was less comfortable with this slot when it stood at only one significant contributory post without any real-time interaction. That has since changed and I think he looks okay.

Strawhenge - While I don't quite understand why Strawhenge still thinks you clean slipped, his presentation of his argument (particularly his reference to the OP of the personality cafe thread) looks authentic to me. I don't know that a mafioso is likely to just make that stuff up to continuously push a slip accusation that has already lost a lot of public steam.

Long Con - I don't really know. I asked my gut and my gut said orange. I might have a tendency to suspect LC more than I suspect most other players; it's certainly been a recent trend. I'd say he's made a lot of substantive posts but none of them have pushed me townward on my read. Usually people with ISOs that look like his don't fit that description.

JOH - Similar scenario to LC. I appreciate his involvement, but I haven't been hit by a moment in his posts that makes me feel anything particularly positive. You could perhaps call these last two "neutral" reads, but I try to avoid that and take a stance. I opted for orange.

speedchuck - Someone else made the observation that he was kind of a distant observer while Golden and I debated about him, and that doesn't make me feel great.

Elohcin - She can be pressed for time, so one post isn't a serious issue. I do have a suspicion though that she does struggle less to get involved as town than as mafia. I am not sure whether she has been on the site much during the game.

[Dyslexicon]

Also, Slex, are all those big-hair women from the same source? You seem to have a lot of them in stock.

RuPaul's Drag Race.

It's kinda like The Wire, but with drag shows.

<3 Plus, you having an Agent Cooper avatar is making me feel all warm and fuzzy and yay and you showing up is reminding me that you're also a possible suspect here. Rawr.

[Dyslexicon]

@JJJ, Thanks for the blurbs.

I think I'm growing more comfortable with Strawhenge. Less so with Long Con who really confuses me with his vote. Of the players that have actually posted a bit I guess Marmot and Sonji are the ones that makes my gut the most unhappy atm. I really hate not having meta on players D1/wish I had stronger reads, but I don't.

I kind of don't like that you feel good about this day, cause I don't feel super great about it nearing it's end without a very strong scumspect. And you don't seem to have that either, so what's so great about it?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I kind of don't like that you feel good about this day, cause I don't feel super great about it nearing it's end without a very strong scumspect. And you don't seem to have that either, so what's so great about it?

There has been a great deal of interactive content. Many players have directly conversed with many other players. Even if reads right now aren't super conclusive, I think there's a wealth of data in this Day 1 which will be valuable for mining later.

I'm used to less.

[Dyslexicon]

Like, what's up with that vote from Long Con and just disappearing? o.o
Also, fine, I did a fakeslip and it was much wow, but I also have other content in thread. I'd like players who are voting me to form a coherent suspicion past that.

[Dyslexicon]

I kind of don't like that you feel good about this day, cause I don't feel super great about it nearing it's end without a very strong scumspect. And you don't seem to have that either, so what's so great about it?

There has been a great deal of interactive content. Many players have directly conversed with many other players. Even if reads right now aren't super conclusive, I think there's a wealth of data in this Day 1 which will be valuable for mining later.

I'm used to less.

I guess. There's also quite a few inactive players though. I guess I'm not as optimistic/more impatient? You have an answer for everything. *unsure face*

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would describe Dyslexicon's post history this way:

There was the slip thing. They provided a link which validly nullifies it. It doesn't make them town, but I do think it renders that accusation uninteresting. So I remove the "slip" from the posts and assess beyond:

I see a player playing loose, providing relevant content both related to the controversy and to other portions of the continuing dialogue. I see quite a few clearly stated reads. I don't take issue with the tone or the language at face value. I think these are positives. So, if the "slip" is null and the rest is better than that, I land at a read more in the town direction than not.

[Long Con]

I don't like your answer, friend. I was hoping I'd see something from you that tries to use the "data" you generated. I gave you a couple of chances to come forward with something like that, but it looks to me like it was actually very hollow. If you were honestly using a ploy to generate reads, then you... should be doing that. I think you are false, Slex, and it's time to update my vote.

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Vote Lynch Dyslexicon

I AM using that as well as everything else in thread to generate reads. What is the reasoning behind your vote? That I should have better and stronger reads than other players because I used a play that is unconventional on this site? Do you think that makes me more likely scum?

Maybe I didn't make my point of view clear. You are using your (tried and true? go-to?) ploy to seem like you've got an angle and are being town-helpful in your own way, but there's not follow-up to justify it, which makes the whole thing thread-filler. Worse, it has quasi-dominated conversation with opinions on why you did it, and what you could be doing it for... Silver has spent I don't know how much time, searching the linked thread for "evidence"... and in the end you're just like " Take from it what you will!"

I find the sum total of your contributions to be a negative number.

Linki: I didn't disappear. I'm just also in the Champs game... and also catching up on TV shows. Jesus, how long since my last post?? Now you're decrying me as some sort of sniper guy?