JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Golden wrote:But the question 'does Dizzy have any reason to fake fakeslip?' Yes. He can provide the link and get town cred out of it. There is a reason and it's not even particularly obtuse.
What pinged me is that you answered your own question in a way that feels definitive.
As I suggested earlier in the thread: I prefer to work with probables, not possibles. I do think it's possible that Dizzy fake-fakeslipped for town cred and intended to present the link as his evidences. I don't think it's probable. I have an easier time believing that Dizzy just likes to do that kind of thing, the end. If we were playing somewhere where Dizzy has homefield advantage, I might feel differently.
That's a good way of summing it up.
Soneji wrote:Silver Lantern wrote:Soneji wrote:speedchuck wrote:Golden wrote:
Given you had read the thread through this far and should know that I'd explained at least part of my rationale for why I hadn't voted yet - how do you come to a legitimate vote for me later?
I have no real excuse. The first post was part of a quick 12-page skim, the second was a post just looking at the immediate reaction to the 'scumslip'.
Part of the reason I lost interest so quickly in that vote.
Silver Lantern wrote:
speedchuck wrote:
Perhaps I should follow more of this argument, but dang SL, you almost made me switch my vote off of Strawhenge with that reasoning. Is there a post that Soneji makes that argues Dizzy as looking towny?
Yes.
Soneji wrote:
Not only does Dys link show him making the exact same play but it happened just last month. There might be room to be skeptical if he had to dig up something from years ago but as is there is nothing to contest.
Filler.
Is that second post supposed to be confirming Dizzy as town? Because I read it as confirming that this play wasn't a scumslip. (No idea what you mean by 'filler').
This doesn't do it for me.
I think he is salty that I said one of his posts might be a "filler" post by mafia, one that seems like it is contributing but has little of actual value.
The irony for me in all of this is that he suspects me in part for thinking I townread someone, when in the GoC game I got lynched partly due to my meta of not doing townreads period. I don't even let myself think of people in terms of them being town, outsidd of mechanical clearance where some healthy skepticism remains.
"That's my secret Captain, I'm always angry..."
Heh, in my home site if your post isn't atleast 10 characters it won't post, so when we post something short, like "no" we tend to follow up with "fills," or "filler."
I am not voting for you cause I am salty (which I always am btw), I am voting for you because you're making silly arguments like saying that something which can give town rep is not a benefit to a mafioso, and therefore not a good play.
The silly argument is that saying the amount of towncred that might be achievable with what Dys pulled is worth the high possibility of getting lynched, especially when hammer rules are in play.
I haven't seen a single person give actual town cred to Dys. Several people are still voting for Dys based on it and others like myself and Golden have outright stated that Dys should not get towncred.
Silly arguments are not exactly mafia motivated arguments though, which is why I'm not voting you. What I don't understand is that if you are so convinced of the probability of a mafia Dys posting a fake slip to gain town cred, why aren't you voting Dys?
I like this post and a couple others I've seen from Soneji.
insertnamehere wrote:Caught up.
Not sure whether I find the people jumping on Dys for his "slip-up" or the people letting Dys slide on through more suspicious.
More analysis needed there.
I also like this post from inh (but I was never going to vote for him anyway).
Dyslexicon wrote:Strawhenge wrote:Bottom line is, Dizzy had some reason to make a claim in that game. Not as much here.
I also explicitly called it a fakeslip in that other game. So it's clear that that's what it was.
Are you unamused at me suspecting you?
What else would you call it in this game? A real slip?
Silver Lantern wrote:The Posts here don't have post #s or am I just not looking in the right spot?
Complaint # 7 JJJ!
Long Con wrote:Dyslexicon: Is it over? Your fakeslip plan? Should we keep discussing it, or drop it and move on?
What else did you want to talk about?
Golden wrote:Dyslexicon wrote:This is not so much a point of suspicion to me as the logic is just bugging me. You're using hindsight here.
Yeah, he said something like 'why would I draw golden's ire' as well, but he knows that I'm quite willing to say that someone who suspects me is doing so from a genuine town perspective if I think that they are. I'm a big opponent of the false 'if you come after me, you must be bad' logic, and I like to believe I don't fall into that trope.
I suspect you.
Dyslexicon wrote:Silver Lantern wrote:Can Dyslexicon please answer this question?
I can, though I personally don't think it's very relevant. As a matter of fact the only player even commenting on it in that game turned out to be scum. She commented, then forgot about it, and when I reminded her next game day she tried to twist it to an argument for suspicion. I had had a tunnel-vision scum read on her regardless of this (that I struggled to articulate, cause it was very gut-based), so I'm not sure the fakeslip in itself really did that much (also, the site meta makes that situation different - it's more interesting here).
This rant is only half relevant:
However, I believe JJJ and Golden's take that I "just like to do stuff like that" is more relevant. Have you ever done something just because you felt like it? Obviously, that is not the whole story, but I generally like to experiment and try to expand possibilities. I'm also think I'm generally better at creating waves than forming solid reads, especially D1 (though me reads haven't been bad lately actually). In short, I'm trying to make my own style, personality and game philosophy work for me and for town. Sometimes I may go overboard, sometimes I think the style works for me (both as in I feel good about my play and I'm having fun). Some players may find it perplexing or even "not good play". Personally, I don't believe there's any one way to play mafia as long as you try your best to play to your wincon. Different players do it in different ways, which makes the game even harder and more exciting.
What is regretful is that I may have taken up too much time and attention. And while I'm an attention whore, it may not have been the best situation. But what's done is done and I have beer in my fridge.
That... is actually a pretty accurate description of how I like to play. I will do GTH reads, cases, and other thread analysis if I have the time, but that doesn't suit my abilities. I prefer to be unpredictable (which has eventually grown to mean predictable) and chaotic. Sometimes I'll hunker down and focus, usually as the game goes on, but I prefer a lighter playstyle.
That being said, your slip, it looked like an accident. You assert that it was not an accident, but a fakeslip. You then introduced some reads after the fact. Nacho made a good point that you didn't factor the 'fakeslip' into your reads. I think (without looking at your link to your other game) it was an accident.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Strawhenge wrote:OH MY GOD THERE'S A SIRENGIF BUTTON I LOVE IT I WILL NOW DIE HAPPY
Wow that is hilarious. Good one Marmot, assuming that was you. 
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Dyslexicon wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm okay with giving the newcomers a Day 1 pass. My vote is likely to land on one of the low-tier contributors. I think this has been a very good first day for dialogue, and it's left me feeling okay about most of the people who helped make that happen.
Can you name specific names? Who's "most people"?
I haven't rainbowed in a while. I'll do that. The tiers are in an order, but the names within the tiers are not.
Silver Lantern
Golden
nutella
insertnamehere
Soneji
Quin
Dyslexicon
Fredwood
Strawhenge
Nachomamma8
DFaraday
sig
Metalmarsh89
Long Con
JOH
speedchuck
Elohcin
DrWilgy
Sorsha
It's sort of a rainbow/GTH hybrid. I listed all the players, put a gun to my head, and forced myself to declare a color. With DF I gave myself a break.
I agree with your read on nutella.
I also agree with your observation on Wilgy. His behaviour fits the Wilgy mafia Day 1 archetype.
Why do dizzy's posts after his slip make me feel so good? Should I reconsider?
I hate catching up on tons of content. I'd prefer to be around making it.
Take from it what you will!"
I promise I'll get up in time to be on here before work this time 
Fiddler on the Roof
You'd best be explaining your explanation explanatorily, y'hear?
