Mortal Kombat Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Kylemii]

RIP me. I fell asleep, missed the end of night, and now Jack is scumreading me. Which is cool.

I might be missing something, but why do we keep assuming Jack / Marmot are claiming Kano as opposed to the other one?

Jay specifically mentioned part of the mechanic which is known about Kano's role, marmot responded with a counter right afterwards, implying a correlated relationship to that role

Maybe it's a hoax

it's definitely possible. marmot and jay could be working together on this somehow. I don't understand the advantage to it though. I also don't understand the advantage to jay claiming in the first place.

[lapluie]

Am I eye sore or is JaggedJimmyJay not on the poll?

[lapluie]

RIP me. I fell asleep, missed the end of night, and now Jack is scumreading me. Which is cool.

I might be missing something, but why do we keep assuming Jack / Marmot are claiming Kano as opposed to the other one?

Jay specifically mentioned part of the mechanic which is known about Kano's role, marmot responded with a counter right afterwards, implying a correlated relationship to that role

Maybe it's a hoax

it's definitely possible. marmot and jay could be working together on this somehow. I don't understand the advantage to it though. I also don't understand the advantage to jay claiming in the first place.

Kano can be killed by mafia right? What is the benefit on their ends if mafia found out, they'd be dead, or are they Sided with mafia, please explain, I'm guessing jjj thought if he claimed kano role he'd be "safe" but hiding behind the mask of mafia, hence he couldn't die.

[lapluie]

Also the player [mention]Dom[/mention] has been gone for ages, could Dunya replace them, I miss her

[Kylemii]

Am I eye sore or is JaggedJimmyJay not on the poll?

possibly both

Simon is also off the poll

can someone who is good at math tell me how far away from lylo we are? I can't imagine jay would do something like this unless he were confident it would lead to something advantageous for his team.

I guess for today we look at TSP, and Eloh. Marmot is also okay as an emergency food source.

[Long Con]

Mafia likes Kano, they won't kill him.

[Made]

RIP me. I fell asleep, missed the end of night, and now Jack is scumreading me. Which is cool.

I might be missing something, but why do we keep assuming Jack / Marmot are claiming Kano as opposed to the other one?

Jay specifically mentioned part of the mechanic which is known about Kano's role, marmot responded with a counter right afterwards, implying a correlated relationship to that role

Maybe it's a hoax

it's definitely possible. marmot and jay could be working together on this somehow. I don't understand the advantage to it though. I also don't understand the advantage to jay claiming in the first place.

Kano can be killed by mafia right? What is the benefit on their ends if mafia found out, they'd be dead, or are they Sided with mafia, please explain, I'm guessing jjj thought if he claimed kano role he'd be "safe" but hiding behind the mask of mafia, hence he couldn't die.

so in game of champians, i got an indy role and claimed indy as alligned with civvies [ie i'd push for the goals of civiilains] I feel like as soon as 10 civs are dead, he's no longer a threat for that reason, but should be looked at as if he claimed civviilan like all other players currently in the game.

my two cents anyways. I don't think it makes him more guilty but i don't think it clears him either. Null imo

[Made]

Addendum- Claiming Indy inherently anti town for the reason long con just said, it gives MAfia a reason to kill us over him

[lapluie]

Am I eye sore or is JaggedJimmyJay not on the poll?

possibly both

Simon is also off the poll

can someone who is good at math tell me how far away from lylo we are? I can't imagine jay would do something like this unless he were confident it would lead to something advantageous for his team.

I guess for today we look at TSP, and Eloh. Marmot is also okay as an emergency food source.

I don't like how Eloh voted for Dunya over Simon & speeechuck, what do you think?

[Kylemii]

RIP me. I fell asleep, missed the end of night, and now Jack is scumreading me. Which is cool.

I might be missing something, but why do we keep assuming Jack / Marmot are claiming Kano as opposed to the other one?

Jay specifically mentioned part of the mechanic which is known about Kano's role, marmot responded with a counter right afterwards, implying a correlated relationship to that role

Maybe it's a hoax

it's definitely possible. marmot and jay could be working together on this somehow. I don't understand the advantage to it though. I also don't understand the advantage to jay claiming in the first place.

Kano can be killed by mafia right? What is the benefit on their ends if mafia found out, they'd be dead, or are they Sided with mafia, please explain, I'm guessing jjj thought if he claimed kano role he'd be "safe" but hiding behind the mask of mafia, hence he couldn't die.

that's why I can't fathom either players' goals here. logically speaking Kano would need to work with the mafia in order to eliminate the right number of civs to win, maybe jay didn't expect Kano to speak up and counter his statement.

[Made]

has anyone done any useful vote analysis yet?

if not i can table it for my secretary, but he probably wont get to it till sometimes tomorrow evening

[Kylemii]

Am I eye sore or is JaggedJimmyJay not on the poll?

possibly both

Simon is also off the poll

can someone who is good at math tell me how far away from lylo we are? I can't imagine jay would do something like this unless he were confident it would lead to something advantageous for his team.

I guess for today we look at TSP, and Eloh. Marmot is also okay as an emergency food source.

I don't like how Eloh voted for Dunya over Simon & speeechuck, what do you think?

Now that she's feeling better i want to hear her compare and contrast her treatment of her eldest son, between this game and vocaroo.

[lapluie]

[mention]Made[/mention] What makes you suspicious of nutella?

[Made]

@Made What makes you suspicious of nutella?

of the players who i was initially suspcious of, coming back to the thread her post still read funny to me [like the ones she posted today] more of an rather than vote at this point, but we'll see where things go as i get my head around all the recent happenings of the thread.

[Made]

follow up, why eloh?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Am I eye sore or is JaggedJimmyJay not on the poll?

possibly both

Simon is also off the poll

can someone who is good at math tell me how far away from lylo we are? I can't imagine jay would do something like this unless he were confident it would lead to something advantageous for his team.

I guess for today we look at TSP, and Eloh. Marmot is also okay as an emergency food source.

Basically 3 bad lynches.

[lapluie]

follow up, why eloh?

Well if I could I'd change it to jimmy, but I can't right now since he's not on the poll
I wasn't buying with whatever elochin was saying regards to voting off dunya, not good vibes from her is all.

[Jackofhearts2005]

16 town is down to 11
5 mafia are all here
2 indy probably still here

Mafia has a vote nullify and an extra vote. Kano will vote with them.

11 town votes (assuming Ermac goodish plus one nullified vote)
Vs
7 scum votes

There are additional ways this gets modified, especially by the townies but we should assume the scum can pull one additional vote that isn't obvious from the role list.

We mislynch and it's 9 vs 7. Another mislynch is 7 vs 7 and our aces probably don't beat the mafia aces.

To answer [mention]Kylemii[/mention]'s question, I think we get one mislynch. We happen to lynch Reptile, we are in better shape. I assume Simon is Reptile and was taken off the poll by a one shot or Shang Tsung because his night ability is useful.

With this in mind, if we mislynch, we should all use anything we have to kill, block, save or misdirect. Merely blocking or misdirecting Reptile or Shang Tsung may give us an extra day phase.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Voting Wilgy for now.

Marmot or TSP may be our best bet, though.

[TonyStarkPrime]

16 town is down to 11
5 mafia are all here
2 indy probably still here

Mafia has a vote nullify and an extra vote. Kano will vote with them.

11 town votes (assuming Ermac goodish plus one nullified vote)
Vs
7 scum votes

There are additional ways this gets modified, especially by the townies but we should assume the scum can pull one additional vote that isn't obvious from the role list.

We mislynch and it's 9 vs 7. Another mislynch is 7 vs 7 and our aces probably don't beat the mafia aces.

To answer Kylemii's question, I think we get one mislynch. We happen to lynch Reptile, we are in better shape. I assume Simon is Reptile and was taken off the poll by a one shot or Shang Tsung because his night ability is useful.

With this in mind, if we mislynch, we should all use anything we have to kill, block, save or misdirect. Merely blocking or misdirecting Reptile or Shang Tsung may give us an extra day phase.

Town has a tie breaker, and two potential vote blockers, so I don’t think it all that dire. Town has at least two. If mafia fails at night or takes out neutral it is up to three.


BTW, did we ever figure out who targeted Glor with the kill?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Or why Glor didn’t die

[Marmot]

Hey Jay, are they buying my claim yet?

[Marmot]

Jack's right.

We've got 18 players in this game. Assume we have 5 mafia and 2 independents. Suppose we lynch two Indies in the next two day phases and two civilians are killed. That leaves 14 players and 5 of them mafia. That means we're 2 mislynches away from LYLO.

Let's not lynch Jay, not unless you don't believe him.


Let's find scum.

[Marmot]

Or why Glor didn’t die

I don't know if that's something we can figure out.

[Kylemii]

:/

[Marmot]

rip rabbit

Jay has claimed or has strongly hinted Kano (why??). Marmot has also counterhinted Kano.

I think Jay is lying, or even if he's not he's proven himself to be a neutral with bad intentions. Jay rolling a role with a "make sure 10 civs including 2 specific civs" is absolutely going to be proactive towards achieving that because of his "play to win" attitude. but I think he was lying, and counting on the real Kano not saying anything because..... admitting that you're a visibly anti-town role is actually ludicrous??but marmot also seemingly did that. fake claiming to be a doesn't-need-to-be-lynched-role when people want to lynch you looks worse than claiming to be a doesn't-need-to-be-lynched-role to prevent the former thing.

neither Simon nor Jay are on the poll right now which is..... Yeah. Something's obvs-fucky.

Kyle, what made you think Jay was lying here?

[Kylemii]

rip rabbit

Jay has claimed or has strongly hinted Kano (why??). Marmot has also counterhinted Kano.

I think Jay is lying, or even if he's not he's proven himself to be a neutral with bad intentions. Jay rolling a role with a "make sure 10 civs including 2 specific civs" is absolutely going to be proactive towards achieving that because of his "play to win" attitude. but I think he was lying, and counting on the real Kano not saying anything because..... admitting that you're a visibly anti-town role is actually ludicrous??but marmot also seemingly did that. fake claiming to be a doesn't-need-to-be-lynched-role when people want to lynch you looks worse than claiming to be a doesn't-need-to-be-lynched-role to prevent the former thing.

neither Simon nor Jay are on the poll right now which is..... Yeah. Something's obvs-fucky.

Kyle, what made you think Jay was lying here?

your claim combined with the opportunistic nature of his timing, and the fact that he's not on the poll.

are you taking back your claim?

[Glorfindel]

Or why Glor didn’t die

I don't know if that's something we can figure out.

Beats me. I really wasn’t counting on being back here for another Day...

[Marmot]

rip rabbit

Jay has claimed or has strongly hinted Kano (why??). Marmot has also counterhinted Kano.

I think Jay is lying, or even if he's not he's proven himself to be a neutral with bad intentions. Jay rolling a role with a "make sure 10 civs including 2 specific civs" is absolutely going to be proactive towards achieving that because of his "play to win" attitude. but I think he was lying, and counting on the real Kano not saying anything because..... admitting that you're a visibly anti-town role is actually ludicrous??but marmot also seemingly did that. fake claiming to be a doesn't-need-to-be-lynched-role when people want to lynch you looks worse than claiming to be a doesn't-need-to-be-lynched-role to prevent the former thing.

neither Simon nor Jay are on the poll right now which is..... Yeah. Something's obvs-fucky.

Kyle, what made you think Jay was lying here?

your claim combined with the opportunistic nature of his timing, and the fact that he's not on the poll.

are you taking back your claim?

I didn't want Jay to have all the fun. :3

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m pretty sure on this Nutella vote but I’m going to reread Dunya tomorrow.

[Kylemii]

I didn't want Jay to have all the fun. :3

................................

[Glorfindel]

Where is our friend Quin? He’s in precisely the same time zone as I yet he’s not posted yet...? Seems strange.

[Kylemii]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] [mention]Glorfindel[/mention] [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

thoughts on marmot?

over-confident mafia fucking around to distract us or indie fucking around to distract us

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jackofhearts2005 Glorfindel TonyStarkPrime

thoughts on marmot?

over-confident mafia fucking around to distract us or indie fucking around to distract us

I don't think two mafia members claim indy today. But I can't be sure.

Would be worth figuring out who Ermac is based on sentence structure, etc but I'm really tired.

[Glorfindel]

@Jackofhearts2005 @Glorfindel @TonyStarkPrime

thoughts on marmot?

over-confident mafia fucking around to distract us or indie fucking around to distract us

I’m not sure what to make of him to be honest. At this point, I’m considering just putting all the people I don’t feel sure about in some randomiser and let it do the work for me - let probability do the job for me

[Kylemii]

Jackofhearts2005 Glorfindel TonyStarkPrime

thoughts on marmot?

over-confident mafia fucking around to distract us or indie fucking around to distract us

I don't think two mafia members claim indy today. But I can't be sure.

Would be worth figuring out who Ermac is based on sentence structure, etc but I'm really tired.

marmot's recent actions don't make sense as a match to the ermac sock, ermac seemed helpful and civvie-minded, at least on the surface marmot seems... chaotic.

I think he's the real Kano and went back on it after he was reminded of his role's win condition and seeing how close the mafia are to victory

[Kylemii]

Kano
Kano wins if he survives, Sonya Blade and Jax are dead, and at least ten other civilians are dead.

just a heads up to Kano, if Jack is correct in his math and we don't lynch a mafia in the next couple days you will be locked out of victory.

If the game ends with the full mafia alive there will only have been 9 civvie deaths. You need a mafia lynch as much as we do.

[Glorfindel]

Jackofhearts2005 Glorfindel TonyStarkPrime

thoughts on marmot?

over-confident mafia fucking around to distract us or indie fucking around to distract us

I don't think two mafia members claim indy today. But I can't be sure.

Would be worth figuring out who Ermac is based on sentence structure, etc but I'm really tired.

marmot's recent actions don't make sense as a match to the ermac sock, ermac seemed helpful and civvie-minded, at least on the surface marmot seems... chaotic.

I think he's the real Kano and went back on it after he was reminded of his role's win condition and seeing how close the mafia are to victory

I simply cannot accept that someone as skilled and experienced as Marmot could make such a newbie mistake. The fact that you could even suggest such a thing is giving me the heebie-jeebies...

[Kylemii]

Jackofhearts2005 Glorfindel TonyStarkPrime

thoughts on marmot?

over-confident mafia fucking around to distract us or indie fucking around to distract us

I don't think two mafia members claim indy today. But I can't be sure.

Would be worth figuring out who Ermac is based on sentence structure, etc but I'm really tired.

marmot's recent actions don't make sense as a match to the ermac sock, ermac seemed helpful and civvie-minded, at least on the surface marmot seems... chaotic.

I think he's the real Kano and went back on it after he was reminded of his role's win condition and seeing how close the mafia are to victory

I simply cannot accept that someone as skilled and experienced as Marmot could make such a newbie mistake. The fact that you could even suggest such a thing is giving me the heebie-jeebies...

then what do you suggest his motivation is? can you see a civilian reason for anything marmot's done?

[nutella]

I find myself following/agreeing with Kyle's thoughts the most here. Whatever Marmot is doing here, it seems antitown.

[Kylemii]

[mention]nutella[/mention] what are your thoughts on today's lynch?

[nutella]

@nutella what are your thoughts on today's lynch?

I still think speed is a decent option but could definitely also go with Marmot now. Tony is on my short list as well at the moment. He's been all over the place since the dunya lynch and hasn't really explained his suspicion of me very well (I responded to his main post about it and he hasn't acknowledged my response but says he is still confident in his vote for me).

[nutella]

I see Jack is voting Wilgy; I've been trusting and agreeing with Jack a lot and Wilgy has also been a pretty consistent suspect all game, mostly for not saying anything of substance. So he's on the table as well.

[Quin]

Jackofhearts2005 Glorfindel TonyStarkPrime

thoughts on marmot?

over-confident mafia fucking around to distract us or indie fucking around to distract us

I don't think two mafia members claim indy today. But I can't be sure.

Would be worth figuring out who Ermac is based on sentence structure, etc but I'm really tired.

marmot's recent actions don't make sense as a match to the ermac sock, ermac seemed helpful and civvie-minded, at least on the surface marmot seems... chaotic.

I think he's the real Kano and went back on it after he was reminded of his role's win condition and seeing how close the mafia are to victory

I simply cannot accept that someone as skilled and experienced as Marmot could make such a newbie mistake. The fact that you could even suggest such a thing is giving me the heebie-jeebies...

then what do you suggest his motivation is? can you see a civilian reason for anything marmot's done?

You just played a burglary with him. I would like your answer to this question.

[Quin]

Where is our friend Quin? He’s in precisely the same time zone as I yet he’s not posted yet...? Seems strange.

A mixture of being up since 4:30, being out all day and packing for a cruise. I'm here though.

[Quin]

Am I eye sore or is JaggedJimmyJay not on the poll?

possibly both

Simon is also off the poll

can someone who is good at math tell me how far away from lylo we are? I can't imagine jay would do something like this unless he were confident it would lead to something advantageous for his team.

I guess for today we look at TSP, and Eloh. Marmot is also okay as an emergency food source.

I don't like how Eloh voted for Dunya over Simon & speeechuck, what do you think?

Is there a reason why Eloh should have voted Simon or speedchuck over dunya?

[Kylemii]

Jackofhearts2005 Glorfindel TonyStarkPrime

thoughts on marmot?

over-confident mafia fucking around to distract us or indie fucking around to distract us

I don't think two mafia members claim indy today. But I can't be sure.

Would be worth figuring out who Ermac is based on sentence structure, etc but I'm really tired.

marmot's recent actions don't make sense as a match to the ermac sock, ermac seemed helpful and civvie-minded, at least on the surface marmot seems... chaotic.

I think he's the real Kano and went back on it after he was reminded of his role's win condition and seeing how close the mafia are to victory

I simply cannot accept that someone as skilled and experienced as Marmot could make such a newbie mistake. The fact that you could even suggest such a thing is giving me the heebie-jeebies...

then what do you suggest his motivation is? can you see a civilian reason for anything marmot's done?

You just played a burglary with him. I would like your answer to this question.

Quin, are you asking for me to respond to my own rhetorical question?

[Quin]

Jackofhearts2005 Glorfindel TonyStarkPrime

thoughts on marmot?

over-confident mafia fucking around to distract us or indie fucking around to distract us

I don't think two mafia members claim indy today. But I can't be sure.

Would be worth figuring out who Ermac is based on sentence structure, etc but I'm really tired.

marmot's recent actions don't make sense as a match to the ermac sock, ermac seemed helpful and civvie-minded, at least on the surface marmot seems... chaotic.

I think he's the real Kano and went back on it after he was reminded of his role's win condition and seeing how close the mafia are to victory

I simply cannot accept that someone as skilled and experienced as Marmot could make such a newbie mistake. The fact that you could even suggest such a thing is giving me the heebie-jeebies...

then what do you suggest his motivation is? can you see a civilian reason for anything marmot's done?

You just played a burglary with him. I would like your answer to this question.

Quin, are you asking for me to respond to my own rhetorical question?

Yes.

[Kylemii]

I don't think two mafia members claim indy today. But I can't be sure.

Would be worth figuring out who Ermac is based on sentence structure, etc but I'm really tired.

marmot's recent actions don't make sense as a match to the ermac sock, ermac seemed helpful and civvie-minded, at least on the surface marmot seems... chaotic.

I think he's the real Kano and went back on it after he was reminded of his role's win condition and seeing how close the mafia are to victory

I simply cannot accept that someone as skilled and experienced as Marmot could make such a newbie mistake. The fact that you could even suggest such a thing is giving me the heebie-jeebies...

then what do you suggest his motivation is? can you see a civilian reason for anything marmot's done?

You just played a burglary with him. I would like your answer to this question.

Quin, are you asking for me to respond to my own rhetorical question?

Yes.

The answers are non-civ distract us motivation, and no, there's no civ reason. These were things I've already said.

I also don't think of it as a newbie mistake like glorfindel said, I think it would be pretty easy for marmot to jump-react to his role being claimed before thinking about the implications.

[Kylemii]

Quin who are you looking at for today's lynch?