Mortal Kombat Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Sloonei]

Starting the day with a vote on kyle.

can i ask why?

the only time you've mentioned me negatively was after my first post for "trepid introductory nonstance", is that it?

also, while you're here, can i ask for a (brief) explanation of your read on Made and Made's read on you, from your perspective?

You've seemed focused on the mechanics of the game so far. I'm wondering what people have to say about that.

"focused" seems like a little bit much. i was interested in the day 0 poll at the time because it was relevant and i haven't played a game where there was one in quite a while. I think that there's a lot to be gained by revealing mafia and indie secrets as soon as possible so we know what we're up against.

can you answer my questions about Made please? linki- oh there it is

I didn't say it's been your primary focus, it's just been something you've been attentive to. I also didn't say I necessarily see it as a bad thing. I'm just voting for you because of it.

[speedchuck]

so in regards to Made's whole thing about Sloonei and the whole "ask Kyle/Speedchuck" thing.... i was kinda expecting to like.... gain some sort of special insight at the dawn of day 1 about sloonei.

speedchuck what about you? do you feel any different

Made should i keep waiting or did something go wrong

I'd like those posts explained, yeah. It's driving me crazy.

Not something I'm going to focus on, though, because I think it's a nothingburger

[speedchuck]

I'm placing my vote on Marmot.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm placing my vote on Marmot.

Why?

[Sloonei]

I'm placing my vote on Marmot.

Why?

[Sloonei]

I'm placing my vote on Marmot.

Why?

WHY!?

[Long Con]

I'd like to know why the Marmot vote.

[Kylemii]

As for Made, I came out feeling good about him because he felt compelled to post a Day 0 rainbow unprompted. That's a bold move for scum to make. Since then, however, I've only had questions for him and none of them have been answered (I don't blame him for that, he's just been absent.) I can't offer a take on his read of me because I can't see where it comes from. He implied that he perceived me as feeling heat on Day 0, but I actually felt like I had achieved an inordinate amount of townie cred for that phase of the game. I don't know where any of his reads come from right now, and that's problematic. Maybe the boldness of the Day 0 rainbow was Made's principal motivation. He just played a solid scum game in Vocaroo but had his credibility destroyed when game mechanics all pointed to him. Maybe he drew another scum role in this game and wanted to come out swinging.

well.... sure, but your initial town read on Made came 2.5 hours before his day 0 rainbow list. you said you had a townread on Made shortly after Made came forward with his "pinkish shade of red" comment about you.

so i'm curious about your treatment of that read, it's strange to me that you in particular were so quick to decide that that was a good look for Made with only his confident claiming that you were probably the least dangerous indie role to use as context.

[Sloonei]

As for Made, I came out feeling good about him because he felt compelled to post a Day 0 rainbow unprompted. That's a bold move for scum to make. Since then, however, I've only had questions for him and none of them have been answered (I don't blame him for that, he's just been absent.) I can't offer a take on his read of me because I can't see where it comes from. He implied that he perceived me as feeling heat on Day 0, but I actually felt like I had achieved an inordinate amount of townie cred for that phase of the game. I don't know where any of his reads come from right now, and that's problematic. Maybe the boldness of the Day 0 rainbow was Made's principal motivation. He just played a solid scum game in Vocaroo but had his credibility destroyed when game mechanics all pointed to him. Maybe he drew another scum role in this game and wanted to come out swinging.

well.... sure, but your initial town read on Made came 2.5 hours before his day 0 rainbow list. you said you had a townread on Made shortly after Made came forward with his "pinkish shade of red" comment about you.

so i'm curious about your treatment of that read, it's strange to me that you in particular were so quick to decide that that was a good look for Made with only his confident claiming that you were probably the least dangerous indie role to use as context.

It felt like an authentic play on his part. So did the rainbow. The game has progresed since then, but he hasn't.

[speedchuck]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] [mention]Long Con[/mention]
Why not?

[Sloonei]

Kyle, what do you think about my vote on you?

[Sloonei]

Speedchuck, what do you think about my vote on kyle?

[Glorfindel]

Oh by the way, Glorfindel, I totally took advantage of that in the Mad Max game and it was lame of me to do that. I never properly apologized. Sorry buddy!

Again, there is no need to apologise, Jay. Of all the people I’ve met playing these games, there is no one whom I hold in higher regard than you for your intellect, reason, passion for the game and your integrity. You did what you felt you needed to do and it worked out for you - and I respect that. I do think however that it was a potentially a risky strategy (had I actually been Town). I will likely return to my policy of permanent non-declaration of my alignment after this game so whilst it worked out for you in Mad Max, I’d counsel you to think twice in future.

And just like Chuckles, I’m thrilled to be back here, in a game with you, my friend

[Glorfindel]

I'm so sorry, everyone. I'd totally forgotten I'd signed up for this as I haven't been here in a while. It's wonderful (so far) being back here with you all and it looks like an amazing game. I see we're already at 11 pages so I guess what I'm pleading for is:
A) your patience and understanding as I try to catch up and immerse myself in this game and
B) A clue about how you respond to someone by quoting their post. Somebody asked me a question and when I reply a name keeps appearing and when I press 'Return' it inserts some bizarre stuff in the middle of my post - sorry, again, I've not played since the redesign of the site. Thank Ye

Glorfindel!!! We finally meet. I replaced in for you in Chicka Chicka and won

Indeed, my friend! The pleasure (as they say) is all mine

[Kylemii]

As for Made, I came out feeling good about him because he felt compelled to post a Day 0 rainbow unprompted. That's a bold move for scum to make. Since then, however, I've only had questions for him and none of them have been answered (I don't blame him for that, he's just been absent.) I can't offer a take on his read of me because I can't see where it comes from. He implied that he perceived me as feeling heat on Day 0, but I actually felt like I had achieved an inordinate amount of townie cred for that phase of the game. I don't know where any of his reads come from right now, and that's problematic. Maybe the boldness of the Day 0 rainbow was Made's principal motivation. He just played a solid scum game in Vocaroo but had his credibility destroyed when game mechanics all pointed to him. Maybe he drew another scum role in this game and wanted to come out swinging.

well.... sure, but your initial town read on Made came 2.5 hours before his day 0 rainbow list. you said you had a townread on Made shortly after Made came forward with his "pinkish shade of red" comment about you.

so i'm curious about your treatment of that read, it's strange to me that you in particular were so quick to decide that that was a good look for Made with only his confident claiming that you were probably the least dangerous indie role to use as context.

which causes me concern because you haven't verbally denied anything that made has said about you. which is troublesome behavior in a game with a lie detector. you haven't commented on his read on you other than to explain that you don't know where it comes from, which is technically true.

it seems like if Made has any kind of intel, that it indicated to him indie or at least not-civilian. Even if Made doesn't have any sort of intel, you still haven't responded positively or negatively, which bugs me because the only players in a mafia game like this who benefit from that sort of ambiguity are players with mafia roles and indies and... one of the indie roles needs to make sure 12 civilians die in order to win.

so that's my 2 cents on that

[Kylemii]

Kyle, what do you think about my vote on you?

i don't think anything of it really.... i've been killed a few times recently and put into consideration a few other times for early murder for seeming too genuine, Jay wanted to kill me in phenon, i died night one in vocaroo. and apparently jack and dunya have had conversations about how much easier i am to kill that to lynch.

so i don't really mind a little heat.

[lapluie]

I'm placing my vote on Marmot.

Why?

WHY!?

I laughed way too much at this

[Sloonei]

As for Made, I came out feeling good about him because he felt compelled to post a Day 0 rainbow unprompted. That's a bold move for scum to make. Since then, however, I've only had questions for him and none of them have been answered (I don't blame him for that, he's just been absent.) I can't offer a take on his read of me because I can't see where it comes from. He implied that he perceived me as feeling heat on Day 0, but I actually felt like I had achieved an inordinate amount of townie cred for that phase of the game. I don't know where any of his reads come from right now, and that's problematic. Maybe the boldness of the Day 0 rainbow was Made's principal motivation. He just played a solid scum game in Vocaroo but had his credibility destroyed when game mechanics all pointed to him. Maybe he drew another scum role in this game and wanted to come out swinging.

well.... sure, but your initial town read on Made came 2.5 hours before his day 0 rainbow list. you said you had a townread on Made shortly after Made came forward with his "pinkish shade of red" comment about you.

so i'm curious about your treatment of that read, it's strange to me that you in particular were so quick to decide that that was a good look for Made with only his confident claiming that you were probably the least dangerous indie role to use as context.

which causes me concern because you haven't verbally denied anything that made has said about you. which is troublesome behavior in a game with a lie detector. you haven't commented on his read on you other than to explain that you don't know where it comes from, which is technically true.

it seems like if Made has any kind of intel, that it indicated to him indie or at least not-civilian. Even if Made doesn't have any sort of intel, you still haven't responded positively or negatively, which bugs me because the only players in a mafia game like this who benefit from that sort of ambiguity are players with mafia roles and indies and... one of the indie roles needs to make sure 12 civilians die in order to win.

so that's my 2 cents on that

If you'd like me to deny anything Made has said about me: I am neither a Loner role nor a member of the Outworld team. I don't see that there's anything for me to respond to directly besides that. He's not elaborated further than the existence of his read.

[Sloonei]

Kyle, what do you think about my vote on you?

i don't think anything of it really.... i've been killed a few times recently and put into consideration a few other times for early murder for seeming too genuine, Jay wanted to kill me in phenon, i died night one in vocaroo. and apparently jack and dunya have had conversations about how much easier i am to kill that to lynch.

so i don't really mind a little heat.

Okay but what does it tell you about me? I am the most important thing in this thread.

[Sloonei]

I'm placing my vote on Marmot.

Why?

WHY!?

I laughed way too much at this

hey 'sup, how are you finding this game so far? Got any thoughts to share?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con can have a vote.

Tell me more

Four or five distinct appearances in the game thread, zero things done.

[Kylemii]

As for Made, I came out feeling good about him because he felt compelled to post a Day 0 rainbow unprompted. That's a bold move for scum to make. Since then, however, I've only had questions for him and none of them have been answered (I don't blame him for that, he's just been absent.) I can't offer a take on his read of me because I can't see where it comes from. He implied that he perceived me as feeling heat on Day 0, but I actually felt like I had achieved an inordinate amount of townie cred for that phase of the game. I don't know where any of his reads come from right now, and that's problematic. Maybe the boldness of the Day 0 rainbow was Made's principal motivation. He just played a solid scum game in Vocaroo but had his credibility destroyed when game mechanics all pointed to him. Maybe he drew another scum role in this game and wanted to come out swinging.

well.... sure, but your initial town read on Made came 2.5 hours before his day 0 rainbow list. you said you had a townread on Made shortly after Made came forward with his "pinkish shade of red" comment about you.

so i'm curious about your treatment of that read, it's strange to me that you in particular were so quick to decide that that was a good look for Made with only his confident claiming that you were probably the least dangerous indie role to use as context.

which causes me concern because you haven't verbally denied anything that made has said about you. which is troublesome behavior in a game with a lie detector. you haven't commented on his read on you other than to explain that you don't know where it comes from, which is technically true.

it seems like if Made has any kind of intel, that it indicated to him indie or at least not-civilian. Even if Made doesn't have any sort of intel, you still haven't responded positively or negatively, which bugs me because the only players in a mafia game like this who benefit from that sort of ambiguity are players with mafia roles and indies and... one of the indie roles needs to make sure 12 civilians die in order to win.

so that's my 2 cents on that

If you'd like me to deny anything Made has said about me: I am neither a Loner role nor a member of the Outworld team. I don't see that there's anything for me to respond to directly besides that. He's not elaborated further than the existence of his read.

and you'll stand by this denial?

I'm interested in Made's thoughts still, and in his cryptic weirdness, but we're cool for now.

[Kylemii]

Kyle, what do you think about my vote on you?

i don't think anything of it really.... i've been killed a few times recently and put into consideration a few other times for early murder for seeming too genuine, Jay wanted to kill me in phenon, i died night one in vocaroo. and apparently jack and dunya have had conversations about how much easier i am to kill that to lynch.

so i don't really mind a little heat.

Okay but what does it tell you about me? I am the most important thing in this thread.

nothing really. it seems like a typical sloonei prod vote.

[lapluie]

I'm placing my vote on Marmot.

Why?

WHY!?

I laughed way too much at this

hey 'sup, how are you finding this game so far? Got any thoughts to share?

Hello, thanks for asking. Yes its quite well, a lot of chit chat has happend the past 48 hours. Many accusations of here & such, one thing I wanna point out is at speedchuck for their- "Why not" response in voting. isn't a suffice answer to a killing, we gotta be wise on who we are voting, I read a few replies as to why x is voting for x but just bluntly saying "why not" is a dangerous reply especially if we end up killing a town, now is there a real reason? if so would like to hear. Also for @marmot voting for @Nova (correct me if I'm wrong), out of the blue voting, I know votes can change but we can't be so quick to start voting off people who haven't done anything sketchy. (?) If otherwise clarify this for me.please. I dont like how quin is playing the game by saying hes too lazy to participate. . In earleir post.. >_> (reminds me of the game i played with him last year). for now I'm simply observing evryones behaviours, getting to know names & their reactions to such & such would help me understand the game play of everyone a bit better.

[Sloonei]

If you'd like me to deny anything Made has said about me: I am neither a Loner role nor a member of the Outworld team. I don't see that there's anything for me to respond to directly besides that. He's not elaborated further than the existence of his read.

and you'll stand by this denial?

I'm interested in Made's thoughts still, and in his cryptic weirdness, but we're cool for now.
[/quote]In what regard would I need to stand by it? I made it for the benefit of the lie detector in the game. I can't delete or edit the post, so it's there for them to fact check if they want. Otherwise, my denial of anti-towniness should be implicit.

[Sloonei]

I'm placing my vote on Marmot.

Why?

WHY!?

I laughed way too much at this

hey 'sup, how are you finding this game so far? Got any thoughts to share?

Hello, thanks for asking. Yes its quite well, a lot of chit chat has happend the past 48 hours. Many accusations of here & such, one thing I wanna point out is at speedchuck for their- "Why not" response in voting. isn't a suffice answer to a killing, we gotta be wise on who we are voting, I read a few replies as to why x is voting for x but just bluntly saying "why not" is a dangerous reply especially if we end up killing a town, now is there a real reason? if so would like to hear. Also for @marmot voting for @Nova (correct me if I'm wrong), out of the blue voting, I know votes can change but we can't be so quick to start voting off people who haven't done anything sketchy. (?) If otherwise clarify this for me.please. I dont like how quin is playing the game by saying hes too lazy to participate. . In earleir post.. >_> (reminds me of the game i played with him last year). for now I'm simply observing evryones behaviours, getting to know names & their reactions to such & such would help me understand the game play of everyone a bit better.

Voting early and often is the best strategy, but you're not wrong to be wary of unreasoned votes. I don't know why Marmot is voting for novaseline (nova is also a newcomer to the Syndicate like you. Marmot is a Syndicate veteran). Speedchuck is dangling his vote in front of us to generate discussion, I think. By saying "why not", he's inviting others to discuss the possible reasons for or against his vote.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hello, thanks for asking. Yes its quite well, a lot of chit chat has happend the past 48 hours. Many accusations of here & such, one thing I wanna point out is at speedchuck for their- "Why not" response in voting. isn't a suffice answer to a killing, we gotta be wise on who we are voting, I read a few replies as to why x is voting for x but just bluntly saying "why not" is a dangerous reply especially if we end up killing a town, now is there a real reason? if so would like to hear.

Hi lapluie. To be clear, do you find this behavior by speedchuck suspicious or merely dangerous?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei, whaddya think of Jack?

[Sloonei]

ebwop

If you'd like me to deny anything Made has said about me: I am neither a Loner role nor a member of the Outworld team. I don't see that there's anything for me to respond to directly besides that. He's not elaborated further than the existence of his read.

and you'll stand by this denial?

I'm interested in Made's thoughts still, and in his cryptic weirdness, but we're cool for now.

In what regard would I need to stand by it? I made it for the benefit of the lie detector in the game. I can't delete or edit the post, so it's there for them to fact check if they want. Otherwise, my denial of anti-towniness should be implicit.

[MacDougall]

Nobody is talking about Wilgy.

Vote 1 Quin. But yeah wilgy. That guy is bothersome.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, whaddya think of Jack?

I don't have a clear read on him yet. I wasn't as alarmed by him as you were earlier in the day, but I also wasn't involved in the exchange and only glanced at it quickly. I had a vague sense that he was earnestly trying to read you.

[lapluie]

I'm placing my vote on Marmot.

Why?

WHY!?

I laughed way too much at this

hey 'sup, how are you finding this game so far? Got any thoughts to share?

Hello, thanks for asking. Yes its quite well, a lot of chit chat has happend the past 48 hours. Many accusations of here & such, one thing I wanna point out is at speedchuck for their- "Why not" response in voting. isn't a suffice answer to a killing, we gotta be wise on who we are voting, I read a few replies as to why x is voting for x but just bluntly saying "why not" is a dangerous reply especially if we end up killing a town, now is there a real reason? if so would like to hear. Also for @marmot voting for @Nova (correct me if I'm wrong), out of the blue voting, I know votes can change but we can't be so quick to start voting off people who haven't done anything sketchy. (?) If otherwise clarify this for me.please. I dont like how quin is playing the game by saying hes too lazy to participate. . In earleir post.. >_> (reminds me of the game i played with him last year). for now I'm simply observing evryones behaviours, getting to know names & their reactions to such & such would help me understand the game play of everyone a bit better.

Voting early and often is the best strategy, but you're not wrong to be wary of unreasoned votes. I don't know why Marmot is voting for novaseline (nova is also a newcomer to the Syndicate like you. Marmot is a Syndicate veteran). Speedchuck is dangling his vote in front of us to generate discussion, I think. By saying "why not", he's inviting others to discuss the possible reasons for or against his vote.

Hmm, yes okay would make sense for the speedchuck. not so much for marmot, picking on the new players huh?

[lapluie]

Hello, thanks for asking. Yes its quite well, a lot of chit chat has happend the past 48 hours. Many accusations of here & such, one thing I wanna point out is at speedchuck for their- "Why not" response in voting. isn't a suffice answer to a killing, we gotta be wise on who we are voting, I read a few replies as to why x is voting for x but just bluntly saying "why not" is a dangerous reply especially if we end up killing a town, now is there a real reason? if so would like to hear.

Hi lapluie. To be clear, do you find this behavior by speedchuck suspicious or merely dangerous?

Hello! right now, I guess sloonei was right on that just getting a discussion out of people for reactions, revaluating it would make sense to do so but also will be cautious about that behaviour later in the game, for now not so dangerous, I don't have any hard suspiciousness on anyone except for marmot now, who's yet to explain his vote

[lapluie]

Nobody is talking about Wilgy.

Vote 1 Quin. But yeah wilgy. That guy is bothersome.

How come?

[Quin]

[insert cliche "it's day 0 my reads are weakly justified" defence here]

Quoting that entire thing for a one-line answer is the worst offense of all.

@JaggedJimmyJay I'll say this, at least.

I've been unmotivated in games for a while now. It clearly seeped into the past three or four games I've played, especially Mountains. All kinds of reasons for that; some petty, some more legitimate. I'm not denying that it's my own fault but it's not that easy to jump right back into that ideal "character". Lazy, disinterested and unengaged are all accurate descriptors for me, but they don't mean I'm bad. I'm still participating, producing content and saying what I think, I've just ditched the bells and whistles you associate with "civilian behaviour" because I frankly cannot be assed.

If I look past all of the perceived reads insincerity, I'm still left with a separate issue. I'll re-frame it as a question instead of an accusation: why won't you give a read on me?

GTH town.

It's not that I wouldn't. I probably could have put you somewhere on the scale based on what I'd read, but I couldn't be bothered with the subsequent "why's" I should expect from you this early. Lazy and unforgivable, right?

You pointed out my correction earlier saying it wasn't actually an impression on you. That's false, it's just not an impression directly reflective of your alignment. You also said it was likely I was trying to cause trouble for Kyle by throwing my reverse-read on him into the wind - that's what happens when the person you're trying to bounce ideas off of drops the conversation on you. I'd have talked about it with anyone if they'd said something about it. Do you have anything to say about it?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It's rather vague, but I thought Wilgy's suspicion of nutella (Hazelnut) looked authentic. It wasn't explained or thorough, but it had the feel of the sort of Wilgy poke that develops into a Wilgy read.

Hazelnut what's wrong?

Bad guys are Hazlenut, Mac, and Sloonster.

Dis is de wae.

[Sloonei]

Nobody is talking about Wilgy.

Vote 1 Quin. But yeah wilgy. That guy is bothersome.

I'm still curious about his bizarre tunneling of me. It seemed like an avant-garde mafia experiment, which is sort of a description of wilgy's meta in general I guess. In my head there's a link between Made and wilgy right now because they've been the only two to go after me in any manner this game, both neither of them seemed to be basing their reads on anything concrete, and in wilgy's case I doubt its sincerity entirely.

I don't know what this says about his alignment, but I do recall late in Mountain mafia when Eloh and wilgy (scum partners) seemed to make a coordinated push against me late in the game. The context was entirely different there, but wilgy's behavior is similar.

[Quin]

I'm placing my vote on Marmot.

Why?

WHY!?

I laughed way too much at this

hey 'sup, how are you finding this game so far? Got any thoughts to share?

Hello, thanks for asking. Yes its quite well, a lot of chit chat has happend the past 48 hours. Many accusations of here & such, one thing I wanna point out is at speedchuck for their- "Why not" response in voting. isn't a suffice answer to a killing, we gotta be wise on who we are voting, I read a few replies as to why x is voting for x but just bluntly saying "why not" is a dangerous reply especially if we end up killing a town, now is there a real reason? if so would like to hear. Also for @marmot voting for @Nova (correct me if I'm wrong), out of the blue voting, I know votes can change but we can't be so quick to start voting off people who haven't done anything sketchy. (?) If otherwise clarify this for me.please. I dont like how quin is playing the game by saying hes too lazy to participate. . In earleir post.. >_> (reminds me of the game i played with him last year). for now I'm simply observing evryones behaviours, getting to know names & their reactions to such & such would help me understand the game play of everyone a bit better.

I was sick that time, actually

[Kylemii]

In what regard would I need to stand by it? I made it for the benefit of the lie detector in the game. I can't delete or edit the post, so it's there for them to fact check if they want. Otherwise, my denial of anti-towniness should be implicit.

I don't actually care that much about the lie detector for this, and it's not like they could let us know anyways.

If you're a dangerous role and Made knows something about you but is giving you a pass for possibly being the less dangerous indie then... I want to make sure that that can't happen because it could cause problems down the road.

If Made notices any contradictions then I'm sure he'll tell us about it.

[Sloonei]

[mention]lapluie[/mention] care to share a read on me and an expanded one on Quin? we're the players you know coming in, so we could be your most natural reads.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

GTH town.

It's not that I wouldn't. I probably could have put you somewhere on the scale based on what I'd read, but I couldn't be bothered with the subsequent "why's" I should expect from you this early. Lazy and unforgivable, right?

You pointed out my correction earlier saying it wasn't actually an impression on you. That's false, it's just not an impression directly reflective of your alignment. You also said it was likely I was trying to cause trouble for Kyle by throwing my reverse-read on him into the wind - that's what happens when the person you're trying to bounce ideas off of drops the conversation on you. I'd have talked about it with anyone if they'd said something about it. Do you have anything to say about it?

You're probably town. Did you make any observations or draw conclusions apart from what you mentioned re: Kyle about how people handled me screaming at you?

I would say that Kyle has spent more time discussing mechanics and the night poll than the average player. I think he has sounded quite genuine in that effort though and don't really view him as a premier suspect. I saw one instance of scum Kyle in the sc2 game he played with dunya, and so far I think he looks more like the town version we've seen on The Syndicate to me.

[Sloonei]

In what regard would I need to stand by it? I made it for the benefit of the lie detector in the game. I can't delete or edit the post, so it's there for them to fact check if they want. Otherwise, my denial of anti-towniness should be implicit.

I don't actually care that much about the lie detector for this, and it's not like they could let us know anyways.

If you're a dangerous role and Made knows something about you but is giving you a pass for possibly being the less dangerous indie then... I want to make sure that that can't happen because it could cause problems down the road.

If Made notices any contradictions then I'm sure he'll tell us about it.

How would Made have insight into my role? This is not a possibility which has entered my mind because if he did have insight, he would be less wrong about me.

[Sloonei]

whoops, I dropped my vote and it landed on nutella. I need to go work on school applications now, bye.

[Quin]

Yeah, I disagree with you that I'm buddying Quin.

You do realize I've tunneled on Quin what? Every single time we've been town together? And I would have done so in Pirates but I was bad. Of course I have to give him a bit of a pass. He's been suspicious when he's not been bad lately. Besides trying to not make mistakes, I can sympathize.

JimmyJimmyJimmy, I actually don't know what your alignment is, which is why I'm saying such things. I clearly read you all wrong in the one mafia game we were in together for more than a phase while you were bad (Mountains), reading you as strongly w/w with several players you were not (Mal, Quin) and not with players that you were (Eloh, Doc). To what end would bad Jack go halfway on this?

I like your intensity but you do you.

Idk what your exact rule is but if you're gonna do 20 posts and I talk at you like 5 times, ignoring 4 of those posts in favor of a nothinginthebox is wasting time and means you can use the self imposed rule to ignore stuff. Are you doing that? Probably not. But you could and I don't see the purpose of that post if you're town.

How does your experience tunneling me factor into your defence against you buddying me now?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I do have a concern about Kyle, it'd be his continued obsession with Made's little Kyle/speedchuck comment. What is the urgency about uncovering that specific mystery?

[MacDougall]

Nobody is talking about Wilgy.

Vote 1 Quin. But yeah wilgy. That guy is bothersome.

How come?

He said I was bad and I'm not.

[speedchuck]

Speedchuck, what do you think about my vote on kyle?

I don't blame you.

[Sloonei]

One more thing before I go: [mention]lapluie[/mention] I insist that you vote for somebody right now! You can always change it later if you don't like it. Go go go.

[Quin]

GTH town.

It's not that I wouldn't. I probably could have put you somewhere on the scale based on what I'd read, but I couldn't be bothered with the subsequent "why's" I should expect from you this early. Lazy and unforgivable, right?

You pointed out my correction earlier saying it wasn't actually an impression on you. That's false, it's just not an impression directly reflective of your alignment. You also said it was likely I was trying to cause trouble for Kyle by throwing my reverse-read on him into the wind - that's what happens when the person you're trying to bounce ideas off of drops the conversation on you. I'd have talked about it with anyone if they'd said something about it. Do you have anything to say about it?

You're probably town. Did you make any observations or draw conclusions apart from what you mentioned re: Kyle about how people handled me screaming at you?

I would say that Kyle has spent more time discussing mechanics and the night poll than the average player. I think he has sounded quite genuine in that effort though and don't really view him as a premier suspect. I saw one instance of scum Kyle in the sc2 game he played with dunya, and so far I think he looks more like the town version we've seen on The Syndicate to me.

I'm talking more specifically about his first 10 posts (that's what he had when I made the initial post). He'd been littering posts here and there while I was getting drop kicked by you and MacDougall, but never really gave his two cents. I had the impression he was avoiding having an opinion.

This is also how he responded to me bringing him up:

Quin do you consider yourself to be a primary suspect?

Never actually addresses what I say about him but in turn changes the topic entirely.

Quin do you consider yourself to be a primary suspect?

Not really. These are the initial "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks" cases. A suspect nonetheless though.

I don't see anything you've said or done as being worthy of a civ or mad read, to me it's more of a "Quin seems lackadaisical and carefree" read, that might factor into a read later given different behavioral context.

Quin do you have any suspects?

[Quin]

GTH town.

It's not that I wouldn't. I probably could have put you somewhere on the scale based on what I'd read, but I couldn't be bothered with the subsequent "why's" I should expect from you this early. Lazy and unforgivable, right?

You pointed out my correction earlier saying it wasn't actually an impression on you. That's false, it's just not an impression directly reflective of your alignment. You also said it was likely I was trying to cause trouble for Kyle by throwing my reverse-read on him into the wind - that's what happens when the person you're trying to bounce ideas off of drops the conversation on you. I'd have talked about it with anyone if they'd said something about it. Do you have anything to say about it?

You're probably town. Did you make any observations or draw conclusions apart from what you mentioned re: Kyle about how people handled me screaming at you?

I would say that Kyle has spent more time discussing mechanics and the night poll than the average player. I think he has sounded quite genuine in that effort though and don't really view him as a premier suspect. I saw one instance of scum Kyle in the sc2 game he played with dunya, and so far I think he looks more like the town version we've seen on The Syndicate to me.

On the former:

nutella's umming and ahhing about me (we don't have ISO links yet and I can't find a post from her easily yet) read as sitting on the fence. It was something like "The case on Quin is interesting but I always waffle on him".