Who Framed Roger Rabbit? [Day 10]

#101

Wish we had a reason each of them was a suspect.............

#102

Golden wrote:The story even says that the murder was a shooting...

Hi all, checking in! Great opening post ^^

I can see Golden's point here, she could have easily chosen a different word. "Filming" perhaps would be more appropriate. It could be an easy way to tell the truth while lying. Have you ever done that? Makes it easier to accomplish. If you're telling the truth in your lie, you're less likely to have tells.

However, I'm personally leaning towards the cafeteria worker. For reals, who goes to the movies by themselves? Lamest alibi ever, you don't even have a friend to back up your claim?

#103

thellama73 wrote:
Golden wrote: @llama - sophie had the avatar before the roles went out (in the sign up thread). Pay attention!
Make me.

I remember this too. Because the thought actually crossed my mind to make her my avatar, and I was sad to discover someone had already beat me to the punch

#104

I find it a little botherseome that the porter is up to three votes already... did Aces even speak before voting?

Mostly, I feel this way just because I can't really see how the post supports a conclusion that the porter did it and I think it's the wrong outcome, and I'm always bothered when I can't understand the perspective.

#105

Golden, what is it you don't understand about the perspective? I will probably also vote porter.

#106

Yay game has started. voted furman. It's always the one you least suspect.

#107

fingersplints wrote:Yay game has started. voted furman. It's always the one you least suspect.

I know right!

#108

juliets wrote:Golden, what is it you don't understand about the perspective? I will probably also vote porter.

No-one has managed to give any reason why the post actually supports this conclusion...

Epignosis said there were clues in the post. I don't see any clues the porter did it?

For it to be the porter, he would have to have had enough guile to pretend he had a limp, and pretend he was drunk (slurring his words). He couldn't actually BE drunk, since he just got off work. But his answer when it comes to the hat shows no guile at all. He lit up and wanted to talk about hats, tied himself in knots, and seemed more interested in making sure noone took his hat than the fact he might be suspected for a crime because of it. Someone who had enough smarts to change his gait and speech would have the smarts to handle that situation a lot different to the way he did. He also would have had to ditch his work uniform and change into his other clothes before committing the crime. He's also one of only two who don't appear to know any Phyllis.

The other four also all have things that feel like clues to me eg the dogs, or the reference to 'shooting', or the apparently false alibi, or the fact that Phyllis had 'rich parents', but I don't see anything in the second one that feels like a clue in the same way.

It just seems so unlikely to me. He feels like the only one of the five I can discard as definitely wrong. And I haven't yet seen anyone really explain in the thread why he is likely enough to already have three votes.

#109

blindfaeth wrote:
Golden wrote:The story even says that the murder was a shooting...
Hi all, checking in! Great opening post ^^

I can see Golden's point here, she could have easily chosen a different word. "Filming" perhaps would be more appropriate. It could be an easy way to tell the truth while lying. Have you ever done that? Makes it easier to accomplish. If you're telling the truth in your lie, you're less likely to have tells.

However, I'm personally leaning towards the cafeteria worker. For reals, who goes to the movies by themselves? Lamest alibi ever, you don't even have a friend to back up your claim?

How do you know he was at the movies alone?

#110

rabbit8 wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:
Golden wrote:The story even says that the murder was a shooting...
Hi all, checking in! Great opening post ^^

I can see Golden's point here, she could have easily chosen a different word. "Filming" perhaps would be more appropriate. It could be an easy way to tell the truth while lying. Have you ever done that? Makes it easier to accomplish. If you're telling the truth in your lie, you're less likely to have tells.

However, I'm personally leaning towards the cafeteria worker. For reals, who goes to the movies by themselves? Lamest alibi ever, you don't even have a friend to back up your claim?

How do you know he was at the movies alone?

Hey, yeah!

#111

how much time do we have until voting?

the porter seems the least suspicion, thats why he could be the one, also the actress with the shooting thing could be a clue, so im leaning those ways

#112

Sophie wrote:how much time do we have until voting?

Four hours.

#113

Epignosis wrote:
Sophie wrote:how much time do we have until voting?
Four hours.

thanks

im still confuused about the time, cause i thought i were 2 hours ahead, but now that you say its 4 hourse left, i guess im just one hour ahead, since here in BA is 7:40 pm

anyways, ill just count it as im only 1 hour ahead from now on

#114

Hello everyone. I'm very glad to be playing with you all.

I chose the porter because I didn't like the cut of his jib.

#115

I'm gonna vote Maude. I may not get the love for the porter vote, but I do recognise that we are never going to be able to come up with 'the answer' - and different people get a different vibe from Epi's post.

My logic is that Epi said there were clues in the post (therefore I don't think it is a complete turkey shoot), and for me there are three clues that point to Maude. One is the fact she was 'shooting'. The second is the fact she is an actress (so the most likely to be able to effect a different gait, voice, costume etc than what she normally has). The third is that both Phyllis's that she knows involve a situation that 'deserves' to be avenged, giving her motive.

Everyone else appears to have provided an unambiguous alibi, be unable to effect the gait/voice/costume, or lack motive. Maude is the only one that gives me three ticks.

(However, I SO hope it turns out to be the cobbler, and the fur coat is Phyllis. That would be most epic.

)

#116

I went ahead and voted the Porter. He still seems like the most suspicious as he did upon my first read through.

#117

voted maude, the shooting thing could have been a clue and times running, gotta go dinner

#118

Interesting analyses since this morning, but I believe I will go with my first choice, the Watchmaker, because a) I haven't had any mind-blowing revelations since to make me change my mind and b) if I'm right about him and I go somewhere else, I'll be more pissed than anything (this is my same approach to standardized tests. Go figure).

#119

nijuukyugou wrote:Interesting analyses since this morning, but I believe I will go with my first choice, the Watchmaker, because a) I haven't had any mind-blowing revelations since to make me change my mind and b) if I'm right about him and I go somewhere else, I'll be more pissed than anything (this is my same approach to standardized tests. Go figure).

Watchmaker buds.

#120

MovingPictures07 wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:Interesting analyses since this morning, but I believe I will go with my first choice, the Watchmaker, because a) I haven't had any mind-blowing revelations since to make me change my mind and b) if I'm right about him and I go somewhere else, I'll be more pissed than anything (this is my same approach to standardized tests. Go figure).
Watchmaker buds.

Indeed.

#121

Eloh

Elohcin wrote:At first read, I would guess the guilty one is Thurston the Porter. I will hold my vote for now though...

Elohcin wrote:I went ahead and voted the Porter. He still seems like the most suspicious as he did upon my first read through.

Llama

thellama73 wrote:Yay game! It's obviously the porter, but I will hold my vote for now.

thellama73 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:At first read, I would guess the guilty one is Thurston the Porter. I will hold my vote for now though...
That's almost exactly what I said! Do you have BTSC with me?

thellama73 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:I'm sticking with my Wilbert rationale.

*votes The Cobbler*
Well, I'm voting for the Porter. So there.

Metalmarsh

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm going with Thurston the porter as well, after more thinking.

(Did metal ever mention thinking about the porter before this???

Aces

AceofSpaces wrote:Hello everyone. I'm very glad to be playing with you all.

I chose the porter because I didn't like the cut of his jib.

That's now four votes for the porter and not a single jot of rationale from any of them - either in the posts I've quoted or any others. Especially concerning to me with the latter two given I would have hoped they would at least engage on why they disagreed with my reasons why it wouldn't be the porter.

The only person actually engaging in discussion on the porter is Juliet.

This is now officially getting my eye.

#122

By the latter two I mean Aces and Eloh who voted after the fuller discussion.

#123

Golden wrote:
juliets wrote:Golden, what is it you don't understand about the perspective? I will probably also vote porter.
No-one has managed to give any reason why the post actually supports this conclusion...

Epignosis said there were clues in the post. I don't see any clues the porter did it?

For it to be the porter, he would have to have had enough guile to pretend he had a limp, and pretend he was drunk (slurring his words). He couldn't actually BE drunk, since he just got off work. But his answer when it comes to the hat shows no guile at all. He lit up and wanted to talk about hats, tied himself in knots, and seemed more interested in making sure noone took his hat than the fact he might be suspected for a crime because of it. Someone who had enough smarts to change his gait and speech would have the smarts to handle that situation a lot different to the way he did. He also would have had to ditch his work uniform and change into his other clothes before committing the crime. He's also one of only two who don't appear to know any Phyllis.

The other four also all have things that feel like clues to me eg the dogs, or the reference to 'shooting', or the apparently false alibi, or the fact that Phyllis had 'rich parents', but I don't see anything in the second one that feels like a clue in the same way.

It just seems so unlikely to me. He feels like the only one of the five I can discard as definitely wrong. And I haven't yet seen anyone really explain in the thread why he is likely enough to already have three votes.

Golden, I'm saying his gait became labored after he was tired. This comes from him needing to sit down when he was talking to the detectives. The hat issue is all about how he changed his story as they interrogated him: he he had several flat hats, then he didn't then he had only one and that one was so special he didn't want anyone to take it away. I'm not sure why he'd have to ditch his uniform, he could have killed with it on except for the flat cap. Most of all though the others had things about them that prevented them from being the killer: one couldn't walk, one couldn't talk, one was at a movie. All except for Maude and it could very well be her except her alibi seems like it would have checked out - she would have been stupid to not know they could confirm she was really shooting - film.

At any rate, I am not sure that I am right it's just the best guess I can make with whats given. I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were right.

I'm voting porter now.

#124

Golden wrote:Eloh

Elohcin wrote:At first read, I would guess the guilty one is Thurston the Porter. I will hold my vote for now though...

Elohcin wrote:I went ahead and voted the Porter. He still seems like the most suspicious as he did upon my first read through.
Llama

thellama73 wrote:Yay game! It's obviously the porter, but I will hold my vote for now.

thellama73 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:At first read, I would guess the guilty one is Thurston the Porter. I will hold my vote for now though...
That's almost exactly what I said! Do you have BTSC with me?

thellama73 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:I'm sticking with my Wilbert rationale.

*votes The Cobbler*
Well, I'm voting for the Porter. So there.
Metalmarsh

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm going with Thurston the porter as well, after more thinking.
(Did metal ever mention thinking about the porter before this???

Aces

AceofSpaces wrote:Hello everyone. I'm very glad to be playing with you all.

I chose the porter because I didn't like the cut of his jib.
That's now four votes for the porter and not a single jot of rationale from any of them - either in the posts I've quoted or any others. Especially concerning to me with the latter two given I would have hoped they would at least engage on why they disagreed with my reasons why it wouldn't be the porter.

The only person actually engaging in discussion on the porter is Juliet.

This is now officially getting my eye.

I have never taken day 0 votes seriously. To me, they are a grace period to let everyone know the real game is about to start. I don't really see any point in writing up a two page essay on why I think the porter did it.

#125

Aces..........

#126

I think the watch maker did it.

#127

I'm gonna go with mauflde too. No real reason either except I like golden's point about the.oddness of the.Porter voters and I have no idea who dun it. I asked 2 peeps at work too and they were lost as well. I suck at this stuff.

#128

AceofSpaces wrote:I have never taken day 0 votes seriously. To me, they are a grace period to let everyone know the real game is about to start. I don't really see any point in writing up a two page essay on why I think the porter did it.

I have always taken day 0 votes seriously. They can affect the outcome of the game. Certainly when I host, they do affect the outcome of the game.

I'm just flagging early. Jumping on bandwagons without explanation gets you my eye. Easy thing to do if you are bad.

#129

Golden wrote:
AceofSpaces wrote:I have never taken day 0 votes seriously. To me, they are a grace period to let everyone know the real game is about to start. I don't really see any point in writing up a two page essay on why I think the porter did it.
I have always taken day 0 votes seriously. They can affect the outcome of the game. Certainly when I host, they do affect the outcome of the game.

I'm just flagging early. Jumping on bandwagons without explanation gets you my eye. Easy thing to do if you are bad.

Differing opinions, I suppose.

Interesting that you'd call this a bandwagon. Don't you think you're stretching a bit?

#130

AceofSpaces wrote:
Golden wrote:
AceofSpaces wrote:I have never taken day 0 votes seriously. To me, they are a grace period to let everyone know the real game is about to start. I don't really see any point in writing up a two page essay on why I think the porter did it.
I have always taken day 0 votes seriously. They can affect the outcome of the game. Certainly when I host, they do affect the outcome of the game.

I'm just flagging early. Jumping on bandwagons without explanation gets you my eye. Easy thing to do if you are bad.
Differing opinions, I suppose.

Interesting that you'd call this a bandwagon. Don't you think you're stretching a bit?

Nope. I don't see a poll like this any different from a lynch poll. An option is in front, and people jump on it without explanation. Easy place to hide. No culpability if its wrong, no harm done if its right. That's what I call a bandwagon.

I understand your perspective. But it is a very 'no culpability' perspective. A good way to hide your intentions on the occasions you are bad. A good way to play a very consistent game across different types of role.

In this case, Epignosis had stated that 1) there was a correct answer and 2) there were clues to the correct answer in the story. I know there are actually plenty of day 0 polls which don't have any real importance, or where you know there is no ability to glean the right answer. But there was enough evidence that this one is not one of those.

#131

I went with the cobbler, sometimes the obvious choice is the right choice.

#132

Hardcore Golden. All polls are srs business!!!!

Good times, good times.

Maude.

#133

Going for Furman because it has the least votes. Even though my favourite case is that the fur coat is Phyllis the dog.

#134

Long Con wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:
Golden wrote:The story even says that the murder was a shooting...
Hi all, checking in! Great opening post ^^

I can see Golden's point here, she could have easily chosen a different word. "Filming" perhaps would be more appropriate. It could be an easy way to tell the truth while lying. Have you ever done that? Makes it easier to accomplish. If you're telling the truth in your lie, you're less likely to have tells.

However, I'm personally leaning towards the cafeteria worker. For reals, who goes to the movies by themselves? Lamest alibi ever, you don't even have a friend to back up your claim?

How do you know he was at the movies alone?
Hey, yeah!

I suppose I can't say for certain, but don't you think that mentioning a witness to your alibi is a critical detail to leave out? In fact, what if he were at the movies with Phyllis before he killed her

#135

Fwiw I voted furman. If I had a second choice I'd go with Maude for the shooting comment.

#136

Ten minutes left to vote.

#137

Who is the murderer?

Poll ended at Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:43 pm

Furman the Cafeteria Worker
3
fingersplints (9), Long Con (20), blindfaeth (21)
14%

Thurston the Porter
5
thellama73 (6), Metalmarsh89 (7), AceofSpaces (8), Elohcin (11), juliets (14)
24%

Wilbert the Cobbler
2
Canucklehead (5), Black Rock (17)
10%

Templeton the Watchmaker
3
MovingPictures07 (4), nijuukyugou (13), Bass_the_Clever (15)
14%

Maude the Actress
4
Golden (10), Sophie (12), bea (16), rabbit8 (18)
19%

Bugs Bunny (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
4
Epignosis (1), zeek (2), S~V~S (3), Mongoose (19)
19%

Total votes : 21

#138

Day 1: A Number Like That Could Leave You Depressed

The chief of police scowled.

“No, you idiots. The eyewitness lied. He was the murderer all along. And that’s why you morons will never work in this profession. You believe anything anybody says. And one day that approach is going to come crashing right down on you. Mark my words, one day-”

A discordant racket shook the room. The would-be detectives covered their faces and tried not to breathe in any of the debris. Before the dust could clear, the sounds of weasels laughing cut through the air.

“Hey, what do you get when you drop a piano down a mine shaft?”

“Uh, a broken piano?”

“No. Ab minor!”

Shrill laughter pierced the room.

“Stop laughing!” cried a menacing voice. “One of these days, you’re going to die laughing.”

Keys and wood were everywhere, and underneath the rubble was the body of the police chief.

It is now Day 1. You have 24 hours to lynch someone.

#139

Lol. OK Aces, you win. Sometimes it's a waste of time trying too hard with day zero votes.

#140

Haha, I'm so glad I didn't overanalyze that now.

#141

I knew that witnesses story sounded fishy. Not to happy about reading that post a bunch of times though.....

#142

rabbit8 wrote:I knew that witnesses story sounded fishy. Not to happy about reading that post a bunch of times though.....

I know what you mean.

#143

lol, no wonder it was so unbelievable that the witness could see the cap but not tell us the gender! The old unreliable witness gag. Was fun though.

#144

Golden wrote:Lol. OK Aces, you win. Sometimes it's a waste of time trying too hard with day zero votes.

I'm so tempted to put this in my signature.

#145

Golden wrote:Metalmarsh

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm going with Thurston the porter as well, after more thinking.
(Did metal ever mention thinking about the porter before this???

Not that it matters now, but I just want to prove you wrong.

#146

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:And question for the almighty host: Is there one correct answer?
There is only one correct solution.
Is it "none of the above"?

Do I know our host or what?

#147

thellama73 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:And question for the almighty host: Is there one correct answer?
There is only one correct solution.
Is it "none of the above"?
Do I know our host or what?

Know? All you did was ask a question. You lack faith in yourself.

#148

Well, now it's Day 1, so might as well get discussion going. Does anyone have any reads yet?

I would say I thought Golden's aggressive pursuit of suspicion using only a D0 poll was suspicious, but I know better. :P

Other than that, I got nothing.

#149

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, now it's Day 1, so might as well get discussion going. Does anyone have any reads yet?

I would say I thought Golden's aggressive pursuit of suspicion using only a D0 poll was suspicious, but I know better. :P

Other than that, I got nothing.

I think we should lynch Rabbit.

#150

thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, now it's Day 1, so might as well get discussion going. Does anyone have any reads yet?

I would say I thought Golden's aggressive pursuit of suspicion using only a D0 poll was suspicious, but I know better. :P

Other than that, I got nothing.
I think we should lynch Rabbit.

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