Elohcin:
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motel room:
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Meh. Not much to talk about. I think there's at least some bus potential in his vote.
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You'll be getting to mine just as I'm leaving for work. That's half a letter grade right there.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I like how I literally treat Mafia games like homework. Gotta finish my interaction reads soon, they're due this evening!
Doing it now. Cliffs: you're so bad.Sloonei wrote:You'll be getting to mine just as I'm leaving for work. That's half a letter grade right there.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I like how I literally treat Mafia games like homework. Gotta finish my interaction reads soon, they're due this evening!
Yes.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Does one simply add up all the small pings?
Yes.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Is that the same thing as a big ping?
Annnnd this is why MP is such a good baddie. Too many of us let him get away with shit, waiting for him to slip up majorly and he never does.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't really think so.
I definitely agree that it makes Glorfindel look a bit better. It is difficult (but not impossible) to imagine a scenario where a scum player falsely believes one of their teammates to have been replaced. I'm not sure I see a clear line to indiglo/bwt in this speculation though. Is the theory just that, because Eloh was implicating Quin/sanmateo, she is therefore protecting indi/bwt?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:What do you think of that moment from Elohcin I talked about at the start of my Glorfindel check related to indiglo? How about as it pertains to Glorfindel?Sloonei wrote:I agree somewhat with this and I think you've made some reasonable points against her/her spot in the game, but I can also sympathize with her here because there is no suspicion being drawn from her as an individual. She is not suspicous herself, but her roster spot is. It's a very difficult position to be in when you're tasked with defending yourself. I do not agree with her assessment of the case as "nonsense" or "foolish" though.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:indiglo has always been one of the most reasonable townies to communicate with. She and I have made a great team more than once. I'm surprised to be met with this kind of commentary -- that there is no alternative to my content between "foolish waste of time" and "bad".
Well played then, I surrender.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Doing it now. Cliffs: you're so bad.Sloonei wrote:You'll be getting to mine just as I'm leaving for work. That's half a letter grade right there.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I like how I literally treat Mafia games like homework. Gotta finish my interaction reads soon, they're due this evening!
Sort of. She said she thought the baddie would be replaced first (out of perceived necessity by the host). Quin replaced in before indiglo.Sloonei wrote:I definitely agree that it makes Glorfindel look a bit better. It is difficult (but not impossible) to imagine a scenario where a scum player falsely believes one of their teammates to have been replaced. I'm not sure I see a clear line to indiglo/bwt in this speculation though. Is the theory just that, because Eloh was implicating Quin/sanmateo, she is therefore protecting indi/bwt?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:What do you think of that moment from Elohcin I talked about at the start of my Glorfindel check related to indiglo? How about as it pertains to Glorfindel?Sloonei wrote:I agree somewhat with this and I think you've made some reasonable points against her/her spot in the game, but I can also sympathize with her here because there is no suspicion being drawn from her as an individual. She is not suspicous herself, but her roster spot is. It's a very difficult position to be in when you're tasked with defending yourself. I do not agree with her assessment of the case as "nonsense" or "foolish" though.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:indiglo has always been one of the most reasonable townies to communicate with. She and I have made a great team more than once. I'm surprised to be met with this kind of commentary -- that there is no alternative to my content between "foolish waste of time" and "bad".
Make a case.a2thezebra wrote:For a while I thought Dom was being narrow and stubborn in this game but he's actually one of the few with his priorities straight.
Problem is, if this logic held -- I'd get lynched in every game I play. Certain playstyles lead to pings naturally.a2thezebra wrote:Yes.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Does one simply add up all the small pings?
Yes.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Is that the same thing as a big ping?
Annnnd this is why MP is such a good baddie. Too many of us let him get away with shit, waiting for him to slip up majorly and he never does.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't really think so.
He knows who he finds suspicious and he's focusing on them, accusations of tunneling be damned.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Make a case.a2thezebra wrote:For a while I thought Dom was being narrow and stubborn in this game but he's actually one of the few with his priorities straight.
I'm not talking about playstyle-based pings though, I'm talking about legitimate pings. Objective pings if you will.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Problem is, if this logic held -- I'd get lynched in every game I play. Certain playstyles lead to pings naturally.a2thezebra wrote:Yes.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Does one simply add up all the small pings?
Yes.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Is that the same thing as a big ping?
Annnnd this is why MP is such a good baddie. Too many of us let him get away with shit, waiting for him to slip up majorly and he never does.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't really think so.
I'm not vehemently opposed to an MP lynch. I don't think it's a clear read either way.
Were there any particular moments in my MP analysis, or in MP's posts otherwise, that made you feel like it was an increasingly damning case against him? Which of the little pings do you find the most important?a2thezebra wrote:I'm not talking about playstyle-based pings though, I'm talking about legitimate pings. Objective pings if you will.
You're asking me to give you square circles. My concern of MP is that his read of Elohcin appears fabricated given her flip, from his first post about her to the last. No, there's not one post or moment that stands out as damning, but his first three posts that address her are the staple standard of "I'll just go wherever town goes with this" if you really look at them.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Were there any particular moments in my MP analysis, or in MP's posts otherwise, that made you feel like it was an increasingly damning case against him? Which of the little pings do you find the most important?a2thezebra wrote:I'm not talking about playstyle-based pings though, I'm talking about legitimate pings. Objective pings if you will.
Okay. I think MP is the toughest read in the game right now, so I'm just looking for whatever input I can get from everyone else to get to a clearer conclusion.a2thezebra wrote:You're asking me to give you square circles. My concern of MP is that his read of Elohcin appears fabricated given her flip, from his first post about her to the last. No, there's not one post or moment that stands out as damning, but his first three posts that address her are the staple standard of "I'll just go wherever town goes with this" if you really look at them.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Were there any particular moments in my MP analysis, or in MP's posts otherwise, that made you feel like it was an increasingly damning case against him? Which of the little pings do you find the most important?a2thezebra wrote:I'm not talking about playstyle-based pings though, I'm talking about legitimate pings. Objective pings if you will.
I think you might be right..JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The first point I made is a nice look for Elohcin. The middle one is speculative, so I don't know. The last one makes me uneasy. I'd call her a valid suspect.
motel room wrote:I think you might be right..JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The first point I made is a nice look for Elohcin. The middle one is speculative, so I don't know. The last one makes me uneasy. I'd call her a valid suspect.
My vote was a cool stab in the dark I'm happy with how it turned out. Has LoRab commented on this line of thinking yet (I'm skimming catch up atm)? Cos I have more to say maybe in the day time if we can get her piece of this puzzle in the thread.Dom wrote:I agree with Sloonei's analysis here.Sloonei wrote:motel room is one of the players whose most up in the air for me with regards to LoRab's alignment. If she's bad too, his only options at the end of the day were scum/scum. If he's also scum, that's bus/bus and his vote is pretty much null.MacDougall wrote:Motel Room is most certainly not Mafia. I doubt MP busses Elo at that key moment. I'm not bad. Jimmy would have to have driven that bus all the way from the centre of the Earth so I doubt he is bad. I expect a couple of the late Lorab voters were really trying to save her without making it look obvious. I think we'll ride that lynch all the way to valhalla.
I couldnt make much for myself out of your case for Elo - no offence, I'm sure you know we have different styles, and your case posts were so, I don't know, smothering. So I never really "got" the Elo case, but felt you were town and had a thread you were pulling on.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Generic JJJ post about baddie interactions -- motel room
Elohcin:
Nothing
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motel room:
He sort of prompted himself to get busy on taking a stance on Elohcin on Day 2. We'll see how that developed.Spoiler: show
He answers my request for thoughts on Elohcin by asking me about non-Elohcin.Spoiler: show
I'm not sure exactly what this meant. Please talk about it motel room.Spoiler: show
Day 3 vote. He never really got to taking a stance on Elohcin and this vote was unexplained.Spoiler: show
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Meh. Not much to talk about. I think there's at least some bus potential in his vote.
I think I am generally less enamored by votes than most players seem to be. It isn't hard to see a scum Mac there. Or a town Mac. I don't know what the highlighted stuff is.MacDougall wrote:Dude. Why would I have voted for Elo when I did if I was her teammate? I put her at 4-4 and was around the whole end of day. If your evidence is no evidence look at the glaringly obvious point in my favour.
I had my vote on Spirityo and returned at 3 way tie. Wilgy was in informed ties cause no lynch so he voted for Lorab and put her at 4 to 3 ahead. I gave up on spirityo lynch and chose Elo to tie it up. She ended up lynched and I was around all eod. I second guessed it several times but ultimately left it where I was.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think I am generally less enamored by votes than most players seem to be. It isn't hard to see a scum Mac there. Or a town Mac. I don't know what the highlighted stuff is.MacDougall wrote:Dude. Why would I have voted for Elo when I did if I was her teammate? I put her at 4-4 and was around the whole end of day. If your evidence is no evidence look at the glaringly obvious point in my favour.
I don't think you have to be LoRab's team mate. Your vote decision between those two is inherently dictated by your own treatment of them both throughout the game. I'll try to remember to see how you treated each of those two to decide whether this dynamic means anything to me. Baddies vote for their team mates in crucial moments when they don't "seem" to have to do so all the time. Shit, I would do it.MacDougall wrote:I had my vote on Spirityo and returned at 3 way tie. Wilgy was in informed ties cause no lynch so he voted for Lorab and put her at 4 to 3 ahead. I gave up on spirityo lynch and chose Elo to tie it up. She ended up lynched and I was around all eod. I second guessed it several times but ultimately left it where I was.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think I am generally less enamored by votes than most players seem to be. It isn't hard to see a scum Mac there. Or a town Mac. I don't know what the highlighted stuff is.MacDougall wrote:Dude. Why would I have voted for Elo when I did if I was her teammate? I put her at 4-4 and was around the whole end of day. If your evidence is no evidence look at the glaringly obvious point in my favour.
The only sensible excuse for that vote would be if I was bussing her instead of Lorab who were both my teammates. Despite the fact that Lorab was a vote ahead of her when I voted, my vote didn't confirm the lynch and Elo was the boss role. Regardless, why don't you look at the interactions between me and Lorab and see if you can find a connection. If so then wow JJJ you are gonna lynch scum 3 days in a row congrats.
It's not just the lack of interactions, it's the lack of Elo-relevant content even when you were prodded to provide some.MacDougall wrote:I am saying that your read of me being bad is caused by my lack of interactions with Elo. So you have no content. Yet you downplay the most telling interaction of all.
Also tone read my reaction and tell me that's feigned.
Say what?MacDougall wrote:Well fuck. I guess I read my role card wrong then.
I am joking dingus. You are just tunneling me so much I am left with no defenses to make. If you think my behaviour makes me likely bad then you are wrong. Nothing I can point at will change your mind if my vote and reaction don't. Much like INH I just never got the heart of the Elo case which is why I didn't engage it. I was also dragged into a very disruptive separate engagement.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Say what?MacDougall wrote:Well fuck. I guess I read my role card wrong then.
You have had a mafia read on me for ages and keep shifting your reason to suit your sudden compulsion.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm tunneling you so much that I've placed zero votes on you and never called for your lynch.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Glorfindel is always nicer than a puppy.
Golden wrote: I agree. Let glorf be glorf.
Okay. I'll think about it.MacDougall wrote:You have had a mafia read on me for ages and keep shifting your reason to suit your sudden compulsion.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm tunneling you so much that I've placed zero votes on you and never called for your lynch.
High five, town buddy Sloonei!Sloonei wrote:MovingPictures
Quin
zebra
Jay
motel room
Mac
DrWilgy
Dom
Insertnamehere
indiglo
Glorfindel
sprityo
LoRab
A lot of this is fuzzy and things are subject to change greatly depending on LoRab's alignment. That's where I want to start tomorrow and we'll see where things go from there.
These rankings are also subject to change whenever. I'm still processing things. I'm gonna step away from the thread for a while in a minute.
hot dogMacDougall wrote:insertnamehere wrote:yesMacDougall wrote:Should I switch to Lorab?