GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]

[Epignosis]

Caution: If You Throw the Boomerang, it Will Come Back to Hit You in the Face

I Tried to Warn All of You

I also really don't like scotty basically being like 'told you guys'. Calling your shot on someone being civilian is the easiest thing to do in the world since a) most people are and b) all baddies have an even higher percentage shot of being right (in this case 15/16); but

c) bragging about it afterwards is the equivalent of discrediting a load of people, even when at least half of them are town, and d) not only does it discredit, but it also puts the focus squarely on 'who voted for a civilian to die' instead of 'who is bad' which are not necessarily the same thing.

I Gave the Art Mover a Sound Reason to Vote Differently, and He Waved Off My Perceptive Point With a Meaningless Caveat

Empire of dirt

Great Job on Your Copy and Paste Skills- You Get a Golden Star

[Golden]

Caution: If You Throw the Boomerang, it Will Come Back to Hit You in the Face

I Tried to Warn All of You

I also really don't like scotty basically being like 'told you guys'. Calling your shot on someone being civilian is the easiest thing to do in the world since a) most people are and b) all baddies have an even higher percentage shot of being right (in this case 15/16); but

c) bragging about it afterwards is the equivalent of discrediting a load of people, even when at least half of them are town, and d) not only does it discredit, but it also puts the focus squarely on 'who voted for a civilian to die' instead of 'who is bad' which are not necessarily the same thing.

I Gave the Art Mover a Sound Reason to Vote Differently, and He Waved Off My Perceptive Point With a Meaningless Caveat

Empire of dirt

Great Job on Your Copy and Paste Skills- You Get a Golden Star

You are my sweetest friend!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Great Job on Your Copy and Paste Skills- You Get a Golden Star

ZKT

[Golden]

A Person Complained About Volume...He Could Have Killed the Source of the Volume (But He Didn't)

Mafia (3)

Try to kill it all away?

[Epignosis]

If I Die Today, Please Remember Golden and 3J and Lynch Both of Their Sorry Asses (ft. Dr. Wilgy)

[Epignosis]

Epignosis -- He isn't really trying to look like anything other than a guy posting with a gimmick. I get the impression he'd be doing at least something more if he was bad.

Seriously, This Guy- Destroy Him After I'm Gone

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis -- He isn't really trying to look like anything other than a guy posting with a gimmick. I get the impression he'd be doing at least something more if he was bad.

Seriously, This Guy- Destroy Him After I'm Gone

The Golden Curse is Specific, While the Jagged Curse Would Require Wording That I Don't Believe Someone With Such a Power Would Use

[Epignosis]

Epignosis -- He isn't really trying to look like anything other than a guy posting with a gimmick. I get the impression he'd be doing at least something more if he was bad.

Seriously, This Guy- Destroy Him After I'm Gone

The Golden Curse is Specific, While the Jagged Curse Would Require Wording That I Don't Believe Someone With Such a Power Would Use

Aw, Did I Hurt Your Wittle Feewings, You Faker?

[Epignosis]

Do Not Let the Song on Repeat or the Angry Caps-Lock Internet Guy Lead You Astray About Me or Anyone Else Like They Did With the First Victim

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Like They Did With the First Victim

ZKT

[Epignosis]

Like They Did With the First Victim

ZKT

STFU

[Marmot]

Like They Did With the First Victim

ZKT

STFU

This is shitty content.

[Epignosis]

I Will Give a Voice to the Voiceless

Epi is way more town than INH. For instance, he is currently arguing against the strongest bandwagon competing against his own. Why would scum Epignosis be calling us dinguses for lynching somebody that's not him right now?

I moved my vote to INH because the drive-bys seem to be coming in now.

I am being pulled away by social obligations with 15 minutes to go before the deadline. Oh well. I'm comfortable enough with my vote on INH. I endorse his lynch. I do not endorse lynching Epi. Do good and hope for a bad flip, townies.

so who are the good guys and who are the bad guys

MetalMarsh is a bad guy, Epignosis is a good guy.

[Marmot]

#lynchepi

Unvote Boomslang and Vote Epignosis

[triceratopzeuhl]

For what it's worth, I think MP is civ.

I also think he should take a deep breath and come back to the game.

I'm voting A Person. At least for now. If they come back and give a reason for their post advocating for killing high posters, then I may reconsider.

A Person Complained About Volume...He Could Have Killed the Source of the Volume (But He Didn't)

Hypothetical, if he's a baddie but not the one with the nk, and he's as inactive in BTSC as he is in thread, his teammates probably wouldn't pick the kill based on his opinion

[triceratopzeuhl]

Or if his brain isn't made out of meatloaf he could misdirect people with his posting...

[Golden]

For what it's worth, I think MP is civ.

I also think he should take a deep breath and come back to the game.

I'm voting A Person. At least for now. If they come back and give a reason for their post advocating for killing high posters, then I may reconsider.

A Person Complained About Volume...He Could Have Killed the Source of the Volume (But He Didn't)

Hypothetical, if he's a baddie but not the one with the nk, and he's as inactive in BTSC as he is in thread, his teammates probably wouldn't pick the kill based on his opinion

My sweetest friend! My sweetest friend! My sweetest friend!

[triceratopzeuhl]

And again? You've not even spoken of me at all other than to say my signal-to-noise ratio is low. Well, I think that's a load of crap. Your signal-to-noise ratio isn't any better than mine, buddy, and neither is that of many other players in this game. Furthermore, even if mine is that bad, which you haven't proven by the way, how does that make me more deserving a vote than literally everyone else in this game other than AP?

oh sorry I missed the part where I have over 350 posts

[Marmot]

Drwilgy with that silent vote.

Unvote Epignosis

Vote Boomslang

Time to get serious.

[Golden]

Drwilgy with that silent vote.

Unvote Epignosis

Vote Boomslang

Time to get serious.

My sweetest friend

[Epignosis]

APB (Let Them Live)

[Epignosis]

I've Seen All Good People Have About Two Hours to Keep Today From Being a Dumpster Fire

[Marmot]

I have to leave to take a final, but do you guys need any more than this?

Linki: Casual glance at timmer reads authentic to me as well. The "also" and "also also" construction in his post is more casual than a baddie might use when discussing the finer points of strategy.

Been out all Saturday. Alas. But the thing that pinged me most all day was MM jumping down my/timmer's throat for a timing thing that would've been way too clumsy for baddie move. Voting there.

RIP, INH. Honestly, I hadn't spent much time looking at you or your case. I apologize for not further substantiating my thoughts on MM, but JJJ's explanation is pretty much my train of thought. Using a weak, time-based rationale that would've made the most sense for a timmer vote to vote me. I'll have to look at MM more closely in the next day phase.

Arrrgh, I thought I could catch up tonight. Making a long story short, I have a surprise job interview in middle-of-nowhere North Carolina that will eat up the rest of my day/early evening. Gonna vote Timmer because I disagree with the main wagons and think it would at least yield info on MM. I know this is a drive-by, but I don't have time for more.

He read timmer as town yesterday and voted for me. Then today he voted for timmer, with the hope of getting information about me.

Jay can't talk, but he can pull quotes with the best of them.

[Epignosis]

I have to leave to take a final, but do you guys need any more than this?

Linki: Casual glance at timmer reads authentic to me as well. The "also" and "also also" construction in his post is more casual than a baddie might use when discussing the finer points of strategy.

Been out all Saturday. Alas. But the thing that pinged me most all day was MM jumping down my/timmer's throat for a timing thing that would've been way too clumsy for baddie move. Voting there.

RIP, INH. Honestly, I hadn't spent much time looking at you or your case. I apologize for not further substantiating my thoughts on MM, but JJJ's explanation is pretty much my train of thought. Using a weak, time-based rationale that would've made the most sense for a timmer vote to vote me. I'll have to look at MM more closely in the next day phase.

Arrrgh, I thought I could catch up tonight. Making a long story short, I have a surprise job interview in middle-of-nowhere North Carolina that will eat up the rest of my day/early evening. Gonna vote Timmer because I disagree with the main wagons and think it would at least yield info on MM. I know this is a drive-by, but I don't have time for more.

He read timmer as town yesterday and voted for me. Then today he voted for timmer, with the hope of getting information about me.

Jay can't talk, but he can pull quotes with the best of them.

Don't Touch the Boomerang...I'm Warning You Real Good

[Epignosis]

Pro-Tip: Why Would an Organized Crime Boss Do Something So Meaningless and Guaranteed to Call Attention to Himself So Late in the Day? (Yes, This Pro-Tip is a Question)

[birdwithteeth11]

I just got home from work, and have less than 2 hours to catch up over 1 1/2 days' worth of posts. I will do as much as I can but my vote may be a bit rushed if I don't catch up in time.

[triceratopzeuhl]

I initially misread and thought that boomslang was talking about the day 1 lynch there, and was confused because he voted for MM not for timmer.

Noticing now that that was from day 2, you're right that it's a completely nonsense attempt at logic. How does voting for timmer give info on MM? Especially given that yesterday, his reason for voting MM was that he thought timmer was good and that MM was wrongly accusing timmer:

Been out all Saturday. Alas. But the thing that pinged me most all day was MM jumping down my/timmer's throat for a timing thing that would've been way too clumsy for baddie move. Voting there.

One possible reason I can see for boomslang to vote timmer is if they are teammates, he knows timmer is unlikely to lynched, and wants to dissociate with him. The only thing that has me second guessing is that there is at least 1 civ BTSC pair.

any chance of boomslang commenting before the lynch poll ends?

linki - epi - what do you think the reason behind boomslang's vote today is then?

[triceratopzeuhl]

FWIW I consider myself a pretty careful player, usually re-reading and editing posts before submitting them, and I've been lynched as a baddie before for a stupid slip-up. So the fact that it would be a bad move for a baddie to make isn't much of an argument, everybody makes mistakes (e.g. lynching a civ, obviously more than just mafia voted for INH yesterday)

[birdwithteeth11]

Thanks G.

As far as low posters go, A Person has only posted twice, but I must preface that I dot tag on low posters for not posting frequently, but for not posting quality posts.

Over 1000 posts before Day 2. Way to go, team.

Would you believe me if I told you I wouldn't mind the mafia and/or serial killer killing all the high posters so the rest of us can keep up?

same tbh

This is his 4th of 4 posts. It was last night. It tells me he doesn't want to read the thread, and he doesn't really care what's going on. Civ behavior? I think not.

I don't have the time or energy to read all the nonsense people spew, a few well placed kills would improve the quality of the game.

I honestly cannot think of any world where a civvie would feel this way. Curious if you ever stated your reasoning for this.

Because this sounds very much like you're wanting to quash discussion.

[birdwithteeth11]

I think that some low posters insanified Golden and JJJ

could be, but why would they not target MP if that was the motivation?

Not sure. But JJJ was insanified and he's typically a higher poster. So there's one right there.

I mean, I could see the logic behind a low poster pulling such a strategy. The question becomes how to try and determine motive.

[nijuukyugou]

I have to leave to take a final, but do you guys need any more than this?

Linki: Casual glance at timmer reads authentic to me as well. The "also" and "also also" construction in his post is more casual than a baddie might use when discussing the finer points of strategy.

Been out all Saturday. Alas. But the thing that pinged me most all day was MM jumping down my/timmer's throat for a timing thing that would've been way too clumsy for baddie move. Voting there.

RIP, INH. Honestly, I hadn't spent much time looking at you or your case. I apologize for not further substantiating my thoughts on MM, but JJJ's explanation is pretty much my train of thought. Using a weak, time-based rationale that would've made the most sense for a timmer vote to vote me. I'll have to look at MM more closely in the next day phase.

Arrrgh, I thought I could catch up tonight. Making a long story short, I have a surprise job interview in middle-of-nowhere North Carolina that will eat up the rest of my day/early evening. Gonna vote Timmer because I disagree with the main wagons and think it would at least yield info on MM. I know this is a drive-by, but I don't have time for more.

He read timmer as town yesterday and voted for me. Then today he voted for timmer, with the hope of getting information about me.

Jay can't talk, but he can pull quotes with the best of them.

Don't Touch the Boomerang...I'm Warning You Real Good

I agree with this today - I can at least vouch for the busy-ness as defense.

I've gotta do a thing for work for the next (hopefully NOT!) two hours, starting in the next 8 minutes, so I gotta vote. I also don't like the trains going on so far - votes for A Person, what I noticed, are either for being inactive or for a comment about "killing off the actives," which I took as a joke. Not good baddie hunting, IMO. The others with votes? Not feeling strongly enough about any of them to go their way, although I'd really like to take a look at slippery JJJ again, especially when he's not cursed/"cursed."

Anyway, going off my pathetic ISO (but at least it was an ISO of some sort), I'm going to vote Scotty (tough call with Wilgy in there, too). People keep mentioning that his vote for Epi was suspicious, but not acting on it, so I suppose I'll do it.

Now, time to monitor fundraising!

Linki - Really? Because it sounds like AP not wanting to read anything. Like, not for any particular reason - just that he doesn't feel like reading a massive thread. Quite a negative way to put it, though, I'll agree, but seems too easy.

[Epignosis]

Thanks G.

As far as low posters go, A Person has only posted twice, but I must preface that I dot tag on low posters for not posting frequently, but for not posting quality posts.

Over 1000 posts before Day 2. Way to go, team.

Would you believe me if I told you I wouldn't mind the mafia and/or serial killer killing all the high posters so the rest of us can keep up?

same tbh

This is his 4th of 4 posts. It was last night. It tells me he doesn't want to read the thread, and he doesn't really care what's going on. Civ behavior? I think not.

I don't have the time or energy to read all the nonsense people spew, a few well placed kills would improve the quality of the game.

I honestly cannot think of any world where a civvie would feel this way. Curious if you ever stated your reasoning for this.

Because this sounds very much like you're wanting to quash discussion.

If That's True, Do You Think He Thought Anybody Would Listen To Him?

[triceratopzeuhl]

Linki - Really? Because it sounds like AP not wanting to read anything. Like, not for any particular reason - just that he doesn't feel like reading a massive thread. Quite a negative way to put it, though, I'll agree, but seems too easy.

Well there's also the fact that he hasn't put forth a single suspicion or commented on anything that has happened this game so far

[birdwithteeth11]

Seems both Golden and Jay are cursed or something. Well, that sucks.

^see above. Two curses on the same day, against players who were attracting some heat? And in a game in which of the roles indicated insanifying? I'm skeptical that both of the curses are genuine. It's just too easy to fake something that looks legitimate.

Not if 1 is civ and 1 is a baddie or independent. I could see that being the case for sure.

[Epignosis]

I initially misread and thought that boomslang was talking about the day 1 lynch there, and was confused because he voted for MM not for timmer.

Noticing now that that was from day 2, you're right that it's a completely nonsense attempt at logic. How does voting for timmer give info on MM? Especially given that yesterday, his reason for voting MM was that he thought timmer was good and that MM was wrongly accusing timmer:

Been out all Saturday. Alas. But the thing that pinged me most all day was MM jumping down my/timmer's throat for a timing thing that would've been way too clumsy for baddie move. Voting there.

One possible reason I can see for boomslang to vote timmer is if they are teammates, he knows timmer is unlikely to lynched, and wants to dissociate with him. The only thing that has me second guessing is that there is at least 1 civ BTSC pair.

any chance of boomslang commenting before the lynch poll ends?

linki - epi - what do you think the reason behind boomslang's vote today is then?

I Take Him at Face Value, for Doing What He Did Would Be Needlessly Careless, Especially if He Isn't Going to Be Around to Explain Anything

[birdwithteeth11]

The Golden Curse is Specific, While the Jagged Curse Would Require Wording That I Don't Believe Someone With Such a Power Would Use

What's the motivation for mafia!Jay to fake it?

Mafia-aligned players have to literally manufacture every post they make.

Well There's That

Why would JJJ take the trouble to manufacture a day of fake curse posts? Not to mention I don't remember him being a prime suspect during Day 0 or 1 at any point.

[birdwithteeth11]

So, I suppose what I get from that is Trice's vote looks the most genuine, Wilgy's absolute nonsense (not helpful), and Scotty's disingenuous. Discuss.

I agree with all of that.

Same. Lines up with my feelings on each individual so far.

Albeit I feel slightly better with Scotty lately. But not much yet.

[triceratopzeuhl]

I agree with this today - I can at least vouch for the busy-ness as defense.

What's the reason for the timmer vote though? Here's the chain of events as far as I understand:

1. MM expresses a belief that timmer and boomslang have BTSC

Spoiler: show

My first ping of the day.

Timmer hadn't posted for about 24 hours

Boomslang asks timmer a question.

Timmer posts a mere 10 minutes later.

Unvote whoever I voted (on my phone, can't remember)

Vote Boomslang for now.

2. MM changes vote to timmer at JJJ's questioning of his suspicion

3. Boomslang votes for MM day 1 because he thinks timmer is good

Spoiler: show

Casual glance at timmer reads authentic to me as well. The "also" and "also also" construction in his post is more casual than a baddie might use when discussing the finer points of strategy.

Been out all Saturday. Alas. But the thing that pinged me most all day was MM jumping down my/timmer's throat for a timing thing that would've been way too clumsy for baddie move. Voting there.

4. Boomslang votes for timmer day 2, with no reason given, despite his last posts about timmer implying he thinks timmer is good (this is the step where logic breaks down)

[birdwithteeth11]

Also, I find your two statements contradictory. How can he be pretty much impossible to read and yet you lean town on him?

Did you read my post? I said I leaned town on Epi because I didn't think his gimmick was doing any damage to the town effort. Beyond obfuscating his own alignment, of course.

Why do you like Scotty avoiding the INH vote?

He had a correct read on INH and promoted that read in the thread. Had we followed that advice, it would've been profitable to the town effort. That's more town evidence than we have for most people at this point.

Also, voted the mini-market because food.

I did read it; I just don't understand how you interpret Epi's behavior as obfuscating.

I find your highlighted conclusion dubious. Accuracy does not make alignment.

Epi's posts have gotten much less obtuse as the game has gone on, I'll give you that much. So I'm stepping back from the idea of obfuscation for now. And I agree that accuracy does not make alignment. But he actively pursued other targets (Epi, BWT, JJJ) in thread instead of just saying he disagreed with the inh lynch. He could've done more late in the day, but he did offer some potential alternatives if others would've taken them.

Linki w/Golden: I don't necessarily think both are fake. But I think odds are high one is, given what we know about the roles.
Linki w/MP: Spinning my wheels here, but I'd say a mafia J could be pretending to help temper his high post count from yesterday. He came out swinging, establishing himself as a strong inquisitive force (see Scotty calling him the Spanish Inquisition, for crying out loud), and playing insanified lets him fade back a bit while retaining that impression.

Second linki: Ahh Blooper I want to post tooooo

That's all fair. Thanks for the response. I'll see whether I agree with that claim when ISO Scotty tomorrow (that's what I'm hoping to do anyway).

That's a logical conclusion. I'm not sure what I think of it. I think mafia members faking curses almost never happens, but it's possible. I've done it once before.

No, no, NO. Don't do this to me, man! This is the first notable thing you've said so far that I've disagreed with.

If you wouldn't put it past a mafia member, and you yourself have faked a curse, then why do you think it's a stretch for mafia members to do it?

[Epignosis]

The Golden Curse is Specific, While the Jagged Curse Would Require Wording That I Don't Believe Someone With Such a Power Would Use

What's the motivation for mafia!Jay to fake it?

Mafia-aligned players have to literally manufacture every post they make.

Well There's That

Why would JJJ take the trouble to manufacture a day of fake curse posts? Not to mention I don't remember him being a prime suspect during Day 0 or 1 at any point.

Sloonei Suspected Him Plenty and Sloonei Ain't Talkin'

[JaggedJimmyJay]

DrWilgy

[triceratopzeuhl]

sloonei also hasn't voted, but I guess it's possible that he's not allowed to as part of a silence. I notice he is in fact reading the thread right now so maybe we're about to find out.

[triceratopzeuhl]

what does ISO stand for?

[Epignosis]

sloonei also hasn't voted, but I guess it's possible that he's not allowed to as part of a silence. I notice he is in fact reading the thread right now so maybe we're about to find out.

Sleep "They don't sleep anymore on the beach..." Sends a player to sleep during each Night, blocking his actions that Night and preventing him from posting and voting during the subsequent Day phase. If Moya is lynched or night killed, Sleep is the first to inherit the kill, in order to send a player to sleep forever. If Sleep kills, he cannot use his regular power during the same Night. [Secrets]

Front Page Old News

[JaggedJimmyJay]

#lynchEpi

Who would kill Vomps?

A day of mourning is required ;__;

#lynchepi is still a thing.

But bloops... I don't have time to read the thread and am only seeing bits and pieces.

I'm not going to pretend that I've read all of Epi's posts, but what I have read I gut read as bad.

Blooper Friend gth me.

Caution: If You Throw the Boomerang, it Will Come Back to Hit You in the Face

I Tried to Warn All of You

I also really don't like scotty basically being like 'told you guys'. Calling your shot on someone being civilian is the easiest thing to do in the world since a) most people are and b) all baddies have an even higher percentage shot of being right (in this case 15/16); but

c) bragging about it afterwards is the equivalent of discrediting a load of people, even when at least half of them are town, and d) not only does it discredit, but it also puts the focus squarely on 'who voted for a civilian to die' instead of 'who is bad' which are not necessarily the same thing.

I Gave the Art Mover a Sound Reason to Vote Differently, and He Waved Off My Perceptive Point With a Meaningless Caveat

Empire of dirt

Like They Did With the First Victim

ZKT

#lynchepi

Unvote Boomslang and Vote Epignosis

[triceratopzeuhl]

sloonei also hasn't voted, but I guess it's possible that he's not allowed to as part of a silence. I notice he is in fact reading the thread right now so maybe we're about to find out.

Sleep "They don't sleep anymore on the beach..." Sends a player to sleep during each Night, blocking his actions that Night and preventing him from posting and voting during the subsequent Day phase. If Moya is lynched or night killed, Sleep is the first to inherit the kill, in order to send a player to sleep forever. If Sleep kills, he cannot use his regular power during the same Night. [Secrets]

Front Page Old News

Well that's why I should read the roles more closely I guess

sleep is a townie so it implies whoever sleep is thinks either sloonei is bad or sloonei was barking down the wrong tree yesterday

[triceratopzeuhl]

wait no it's not, I'm really dumb

ignore above post

[triceratopzeuhl]

so sloonei isn't mafia (unless it's a double bluff, less likely)

[birdwithteeth11]

For what it's worth, I think MP is civ.

I also think he should take a deep breath and come back to the game.

I'm voting A Person. At least for now. If they come back and give a reason for their post advocating for killing high posters, then I may reconsider.

A Person Complained About Volume...He Could Have Killed the Source of the Volume (But He Didn't)

That's the one thing holding me back from an AP vote. Not to mention I feel like I've seen him lynched a ton for being a low poster.

His line about high posters being killed just really, really bothers me because it sounds like someone who is okay with limiting discussion.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

sleep is a townie

Well that's why I should read the roles more closely