Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[Long Con]

Civvie BTSC is the most powerful thing... or at least Civvie-Civvie knowledge. Confirming Civs is one of the best things we can do to win the game.

...second of all you've never even seen me play as mafia before, the only player in recent history who has is dunya and even then it was just one game under unique circumstances, not enough to build correlation from

This section is sketchy, Kyle, it reads like it's written by someone with a mafia alignment. "you've never even seen me play as mafia before" implies you're mafia now, and the statement that there's "not enough to build correlation from" implies that there could be enough at some point, but if you're Civ, then the idea would be that "correlation is impossible because I'm not bad."

[Kylemii]

Alright let's goooooo.

Everyone please do me a solid favor and describe yourselves in terms of playstyle in whatever level of detail you feel is necessary. It's important.

It's nice to meet you all.

was it "let's go"? I've been trying to make it a thing lately. as like a fun tradition of sorts I guess.

mmmmmlets go

I opened with "let's go" in vocaroo as well, and a few other games I think.

Is that it? My next few posts in that thread were to make excuses for being late to the thread and to call people out for being shitty and rude to each other, and to ask people about their usual meta. I haven't done any of those things so it has to be the "let's go" right? :-?

[Kylemii]

...second of all you've never even seen me play as mafia before, the only player in recent history who has is dunya and even then it was just one game under unique circumstances, not enough to build correlation from

This section is sketchy, Kyle, it reads like it's written by someone with a mafia alignment. "you've never even seen me play as mafia before" implies you're mafia now, and the statement that there's "not enough to build correlation from" implies that there could be enough at some point, but if you're Civ, then the idea would be that "correlation is impossible because I'm not bad."

that's what the "first of all" part of the post that you cut out said.

that's actually 100% false? first of all, I am a kind and hard-working citizen of Anetevka, so that part's wrong

it seemed important to me to not only tell Jay that his argument was wrong but also to explain how and why the basis of his argument was also flawed.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[Epignosis]

That scientist has eight fingers.

I don't think he knows what he's doing.

[Sloonei]

Alright let's goooooo.

Everyone please do me a solid favor and describe yourselves in terms of playstyle in whatever level of detail you feel is necessary. It's important.

It's nice to meet you all.

was it "let's go"? I've been trying to make it a thing lately. as like a fun tradition of sorts I guess.

mmmmmlets go

I opened with "let's go" in vocaroo as well, and a few other games I think.

Is that it? My next few posts in that thread were to make excuses for being late to the thread and to call people out for being shitty and rude to each other, and to ask people about their usual meta. I haven't done any of those things so it has to be the "let's go" right? :-?

Incredulous

[FZ.]

Hi, sorry for coming in late.
How's everyone doing?
I love Fiddler on the roof, but haven't seen it in years. Nice to play a game with that theme.

Kyle, have we ever played together?
I have to say, I read most posts up until the following one. Unlike JJJ, I found nothing wrong with Kyle, but then I read this post, and it felt like a frustrated baddie annoyed by what he perceives as too much civvie power, though he can't really say it, so it comes out in a different way, because, well, he can't help himself.

I really don't think we're going to be starved for information in this game anyways, out of the gate we have a btsc cop, a role cop, a role blocker, and a doctor who can gain btsc with 1 of 3 different civ roles, one of which is the previously mentioned role cop, we also have a soapbox user and a mayor.

the number of roles we have that can stimulate the information economy seems pretty good.

[FZ.]

I really don't think we're going to be starved for information in this game anyways, out of the gate we have a btsc cop, a role cop, a role blocker, and a doctor who can gain btsc with 1 of 3 different civ roles, one of which is the previously mentioned role cop, we also have a soapbox user and a mayor.

the number of roles we have that can stimulate the information economy seems pretty good.

Did I hear someone say, "information?"

Sorry, can you explain what you meant by that? Coming back from a long break, I'm going to be a little slow...

[Kylemii]

we've never played before, I don't think.

I like analyzing game mechanics. there's some good role synergies we can use to our advantage in this game to gain the upper hand

[speedchuck]

Three scumreads on Kylemii, all for different reasons. If Jay is being serious. That's crazy.

And nobody in the thread is trying to defend him. Also crazy.

I put scum Kylemii at like... idk, 60% odds?

LC/Kyle not w/w.
FZ./Kyle not w/w.

[Kylemii]

I really don't think we're going to be starved for information in this game anyways, out of the gate we have a btsc cop, a role cop, a role blocker, and a doctor who can gain btsc with 1 of 3 different civ roles, one of which is the previously mentioned role cop, we also have a soapbox user and a mayor.

the number of roles we have that can stimulate the information economy seems pretty good.

Did I hear someone say, "information?"

Sorry, can you explain what you meant by that? Coming back from a long break, I'm going to be a little slow...

Epignosis and I had a huge tussle in mountain mafia when I said that one low poster lynch would give us more information than another. He took issue with the fact that I used information by the dictionary definition of the word of "things you know" rather than the literal mafia meaning of "things the host has literally told you in big bolded letters".

We had a huge debate about it and started talking about philosophy and other bullshit and it was overall pretty bad, then we eventually made up and fell in love. I think he's making a joke by referring to that.

[FZ.]

we've never played before, I don't think.

I like analyzing game mechanics. there's some good role synergies we can use to our advantage in this game to gain the upper hand

Fair enough. I just think that when baddies feel the game is not balanced or the civvies have more power, they let it slip out somehow. It's like they can't control their frustration. It felt like that a little, but it's just an observation. We'll see.

Speedchuck, can you explain what w/w is?

[Epignosis]

I really don't think we're going to be starved for information in this game anyways, out of the gate we have a btsc cop, a role cop, a role blocker, and a doctor who can gain btsc with 1 of 3 different civ roles, one of which is the previously mentioned role cop, we also have a soapbox user and a mayor.

the number of roles we have that can stimulate the information economy seems pretty good.

Did I hear someone say, "information?"

Sorry, can you explain what you meant by that? Coming back from a long break, I'm going to be a little slow...

I really don't think it's worth going into.

[FZ.]

Three scumreads on Kylemii, all for different reasons. If Jay is being serious. That's crazy.

And nobody in the thread is trying to defend him. Also crazy.

I put scum Kylemii at like... idk, 60% odds?

LC/Kyle not w/w.
FZ./Kyle not w/w.

Why do you put him as 60% baddie? Do you have your own reasons or do you just agree in general with all three of us?

[Kylemii]

Hey [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.

If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.

[speedchuck]

Speedchuck, can you explain what w/w is?

wolf/wolf
mafia/mafia

You two are probably not on a team together, is what I'm saying

linki: as for your second post, I could see FZ and LC's points on Kylemii. For a guy who probably knew that JJJ's suspicion was just pressure, he sure acted very seriously about it. But, at the same time, no teammates have influenced the thread either.

Those reasons.

[Kylemii]

I take everything that involves me seriously.

Jay is a thread-leader. Stuff he says often ends up having impact. I'm not going to ignore it when he makes some vague claim about me, especially not if people are actually listening.

[Epignosis]

Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.

If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.

Why leave out the third option?

[Kylemii]

Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.

If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.

Why leave out the third option?

the option where I survive has no bearing on my request. What I'm saying that if I do end up getting lynched for Jay's 'tell' then Jay has to be held accountable. He can't just say something like "oh well it didn't work this time but I'm going to keep what it was a secret in case it's a tell in the future. " and shrug it off.

If his tactic here causes me to die then I want his reasoning to be thoroughly checked into.

[Epignosis]

Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.

If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.

Why leave out the third option?

the option where I survive has no bearing on my request. What I'm saying that if I do end up getting lynched for Jay's 'tell' then Jay has to be held accountable. He can't just say something like "oh well it didn't work this time but I'm going to keep what it was a secret in case it's a tell in the future. " and shrug it off.

If his tactic here causes me to die then I want his reasoning to be thoroughly checked into.

I'm talking about the option in which you tell him, "You're full of shit and evil."

[Kylemii]

that would be the purpose behind checking into his shit

[Kylemii]

I think if Jay doesn't come up with a valid "tell" that made him so sure as to call me out like he did then it's definitely a bad look for him.

As things are, based on past interactions with Jay he's likely to come out and say something like "there is no tell, I was just lying to build thread discussion" or "I'm not telling you what your tell is in case I need to use it again later"

I don't think either of those are acceptable answers for this.

Jay's usual civvie MO is to scatter bricks around on day 0 and 1 in order to start building discussion and put out reads. What Jay's done here is try to throw a single large brick at me, which causes no variation in discussion at all. The only discussion happening right now is surrounding me.

The only way that tactic comes from a responsible civvie mindset is if Jay really and truly believes in whatever he thinks my tell is

[Marmot]

Do people actually read all the roles before games even start?

I read DrWilgy's role. :3

[Sloonei]

Kyle is with the Russian Police. Discuss.

strongly disagree

I'm afraid that is irrelevant. I know your tell and you have revealed yourself. I am sorry to wreck your game so quickly, but it's just how this works.

that's actually 100% false? first of all, I am a kind and hard-working citizen of Anetevka, so that part's wrong

second of all you've never even seen me play as mafia before, the only player in recent history who has is dunya and even then it was just one game under unique circumstances, not enough to build correlation from

Indignant

okay so you think a 48 hour long game with teens who kept being terrible dicks to each other is going to be indicative of how I play in a real game as mafia?

one game isn't enough for real tell correlation, famous poker player sneezes the first time they roll a full house you don't just assume that they have a full house the second time they sneeze

Incredulous & Indignant.

i don't recognize any parallel

Negative

i actually kinda assumed you were lying for standard day zero jay-prod purposes?

Dismissive

okay so you think a 48 hour long game with teens who kept being terrible dicks to each other is going to be indicative of how I play in a real game as mafia?

one game isn't enough for real tell correlation, famous poker player sneezes the first time they roll a full house you don't just assume that they have a full house the second time they sneeze

So you recognize the parallel then?

boom rekt

I really don't recognise the parallel. I don't even know for sure if there is one without looking. In this game I've comfortably talked about musicals with people I already know, and in that game (I think?) I spent the first several of my posts trying to get to know the players on that site. I'm like 60% sure Jay is just making things up to prod for reactions but if not then he's wrong and his basis is flawed. If there really is a parallel Jay sees then it's 100% just a coincidence and not caused by alignment-bias.

Indignant

Alright let's goooooo.

Everyone please do me a solid favor and describe yourselves in terms of playstyle in whatever level of detail you feel is necessary. It's important.

It's nice to meet you all.

was it "let's go"? I've been trying to make it a thing lately. as like a fun tradition of sorts I guess.

mmmmmlets go

I opened with "let's go" in vocaroo as well, and a few other games I think.

Is that it? My next few posts in that thread were to make excuses for being late to the thread and to call people out for being shitty and rude to each other, and to ask people about their usual meta. I haven't done any of those things so it has to be the "let's go" right? :-?

Incredulous

Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.

If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.

Defiant

I take everything that involves me seriously.

Jay is a thread-leader. Stuff he says often ends up having impact. I'm not going to ignore it when he makes some vague claim about me, especially not if people are actually listening.

Indignant

Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.

If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.

Why leave out the third option?

the option where I survive has no bearing on my request. What I'm saying that if I do end up getting lynched for Jay's 'tell' then Jay has to be held accountable. He can't just say something like "oh well it didn't work this time but I'm going to keep what it was a secret in case it's a tell in the future. " and shrug it off.

If his tactic here causes me to die then I want his reasoning to be thoroughly checked into.

Obtuse

[Marmot]

^Dubious

[Kylemii]

Kyle is with the Russian Police. Discuss.

strongly disagree

I'm afraid that is irrelevant. I know your tell and you have revealed yourself. I am sorry to wreck your game so quickly, but it's just how this works.

that's actually 100% false? first of all, I am a kind and hard-working citizen of Anetevka, so that part's wrong

second of all you've never even seen me play as mafia before, the only player in recent history who has is dunya and even then it was just one game under unique circumstances, not enough to build correlation from

Indignant

okay so you think a 48 hour long game with teens who kept being terrible dicks to each other is going to be indicative of how I play in a real game as mafia?

one game isn't enough for real tell correlation, famous poker player sneezes the first time they roll a full house you don't just assume that they have a full house the second time they sneeze

Incredulous & Indignant.

i don't recognize any parallel

Negative

i actually kinda assumed you were lying for standard day zero jay-prod purposes?

Dismissive

okay so you think a 48 hour long game with teens who kept being terrible dicks to each other is going to be indicative of how I play in a real game as mafia?

one game isn't enough for real tell correlation, famous poker player sneezes the first time they roll a full house you don't just assume that they have a full house the second time they sneeze

So you recognize the parallel then?

boom rekt

I really don't recognise the parallel. I don't even know for sure if there is one without looking. In this game I've comfortably talked about musicals with people I already know, and in that game (I think?) I spent the first several of my posts trying to get to know the players on that site. I'm like 60% sure Jay is just making things up to prod for reactions but if not then he's wrong and his basis is flawed. If there really is a parallel Jay sees then it's 100% just a coincidence and not caused by alignment-bias.

Indignant

Alright let's goooooo.

Everyone please do me a solid favor and describe yourselves in terms of playstyle in whatever level of detail you feel is necessary. It's important.

It's nice to meet you all.

was it "let's go"? I've been trying to make it a thing lately. as like a fun tradition of sorts I guess.

mmmmmlets go

I opened with "let's go" in vocaroo as well, and a few other games I think.

Is that it? My next few posts in that thread were to make excuses for being late to the thread and to call people out for being shitty and rude to each other, and to ask people about their usual meta. I haven't done any of those things so it has to be the "let's go" right? :-?

Incredulous

Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.

If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.

Defiant

I take everything that involves me seriously.

Jay is a thread-leader. Stuff he says often ends up having impact. I'm not going to ignore it when he makes some vague claim about me, especially not if people are actually listening.

Indignant

Hey @JaggedJimmyJay I'm telling you right now, if you get me wrongly lynched and don't reveal what you thought the tell was then I'm not going to easily forgive you for it.

If you're really just making this up then it's not a cool tactic. If you legitimately think I have a tell then sure fine whatever, everyone's wrong sometimes, but if not then you have to take responsibility for it. Promise me.

Why leave out the third option?

the option where I survive has no bearing on my request. What I'm saying that if I do end up getting lynched for Jay's 'tell' then Jay has to be held accountable. He can't just say something like "oh well it didn't work this time but I'm going to keep what it was a secret in case it's a tell in the future. " and shrug it off.

If his tactic here causes me to die then I want his reasoning to be thoroughly checked into.

Obtuse

unhelpful

[Sloonei]

^Dubious

Which word(s) do you doubt?

[Sloonei]

unhelpful

Disagreed

[Kylemii]

sloonei do you have any suspects in this thread other than me? do you think allowing the thread to focus on one player is a positive choice?

[Sloonei]

Kyle is with the Russian Police. Discuss.

Insincere

Kyle is with the Russian Police. Discuss.

strongly disagree

I'm afraid that is irrelevant. I know your tell and you have revealed yourself. I am sorry to wreck your game so quickly, but it's just how this works.

Bogus

Kyle is with the Russian Police. Discuss.

strongly disagree

I'm afraid that is irrelevant. I know your tell and you have revealed yourself. I am sorry to wreck your game so quickly, but it's just how this works.

that's actually 100% false? first of all, I am a kind and hard-working citizen of Anetevka, so that part's wrong

second of all you've never even seen me play as mafia before, the only player in recent history who has is dunya and even then it was just one game under unique circumstances, not enough to build correlation from

I spectated your sc2 game.

Informative, though bogus

okay so you think a 48 hour long game with teens who kept being terrible dicks to each other is going to be indicative of how I play in a real game as mafia?

one game isn't enough for real tell correlation, famous poker player sneezes the first time they roll a full house you don't just assume that they have a full house the second time they sneeze

So you recognize the parallel then?

Inquisitive

[Sloonei]

sloonei do you have any suspects in this thread other than me? do you think allowing the thread to focus on one player is a positive choice?

No.
Depends.

Who else might we discuss?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay's usual civvie MO is to scatter bricks around on day 0 and 1 in order to start building discussion and put out reads. What Jay's done here is try to throw a single large brick at me, which causes no variation in discussion at all. The only discussion happening right now is surrounding me.

The only way that tactic comes from a responsible civvie mindset is if Jay really and truly believes in whatever he thinks my tell is

Please tell me about the discussion that was happening in this game thread before I threw a brick at your face.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Insincere

Bogus

[speedchuck]

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] Be a man. Throw the brick back

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This section is sketchy, Kyle, it reads like it's written by someone with a mafia alignment. "you've never even seen me play as mafia before" implies you're mafia now, and the statement that there's "not enough to build correlation from" implies that there could be enough at some point, but if you're Civ, then the idea would be that "correlation is impossible because I'm not bad."

This section is sketchy, Long Con. You've shoved words into Kylemii's face and said "These are the civilian words. You didn't say the civilian words." as if there aren't multiple possible examples of a civilian response to my poop.

[nutella]

This section is sketchy, Kyle, it reads like it's written by someone with a mafia alignment. "you've never even seen me play as mafia before" implies you're mafia now, and the statement that there's "not enough to build correlation from" implies that there could be enough at some point, but if you're Civ, then the idea would be that "correlation is impossible because I'm not bad."

This section is sketchy, Long Con. You've shoved words into Kylemii's face and said "These are the civilian words. You didn't say the civilian words." as if there aren't multiple possible examples of a civilian response to my poop.

So it was poop? And you think LC ate it?

I ate it, but I puked it back up.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So it was poop? And you think LC ate it?

It was poop. Kyle is a quality Mafia player and isn't likely to have some glowing beacon of a tell which shows itself in the first three posts. LC may have eaten it. I am investigating his teeth presently.

I ate it, but I puked it back up.

What'd you mean when you said "rekt", presumably about Kyle?

[Sloonei]

This section is sketchy, Kyle, it reads like it's written by someone with a mafia alignment. "you've never even seen me play as mafia before" implies you're mafia now, and the statement that there's "not enough to build correlation from" implies that there could be enough at some point, but if you're Civ, then the idea would be that "correlation is impossible because I'm not bad."

This section is sketchy, Long Con. You've shoved words into Kylemii's face and said "These are the civilian words. You didn't say the civilian words." as if there aren't multiple possible examples of a civilian response to my poop.

So it was poop? And you think LC ate it?

I ate it, but I puked it back up.

It was clearly poop. My issue is that Kyle reacted with such hostility toward it.

[nutella]

So it was poop? And you think LC ate it?

It was poop. Kyle is a quality Mafia player and isn't likely to have some glowing beacon of a tell which shows itself in the first three posts. LC may have eaten it. I am investigating his teeth presently.

I ate it, but I puked it back up.

What'd you mean when you said "rekt", presumably about Kyle?

I meant that it looked like you had caught him red-handed in the "So you recognize the parallel, then?" comment since it did sound from his wording like he was admitting something was similar about his style in that game and he was believing/afraid that you had in fact noticed a tell. I guess I had a similar thought as LC, that Kyle was reacting to your "poop" in a way that a baddie afraid he was actually getting caught might act, but I don't really think that anymore after his extended response to it.

linki: intriguing. again, I found the initial hostility suspicious, but his dedication toward clearing his name and holding Jay accountable has been reading more like town Kyle imo.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

your "poop"

[Kylemii]

I'm just tired. I don't like or respect what Jay is doing here no matter what his motive is.

sloonei do you have any suspects in this thread other than me? do you think allowing the thread to focus on one player is a positive choice?

No.
Depends.

Who else might we discuss?

Um well since the only discussion so far has been about me I guess I'd start by looking into how players reacted to Jay's thing.

The two players who stuck out to me in their jump-on were LC and FZ

Hi, sorry for coming in late.
How's everyone doing?
I love Fiddler on the roof, but haven't seen it in years. Nice to play a game with that theme.

Kyle, have we ever played together?
I have to say, I read most posts up until the following one. Unlike JJJ, I found nothing wrong with Kyle, but then I read this post, and it felt like a frustrated baddie annoyed by what he perceives as too much civvie power, though he can't really say it, so it comes out in a different way, because, well, he can't help himself.

I really don't think we're going to be starved for information in this game anyways, out of the gate we have a btsc cop, a role cop, a role blocker, and a doctor who can gain btsc with 1 of 3 different civ roles, one of which is the previously mentioned role cop, we also have a soapbox user and a mayor.

the number of roles we have that can stimulate the information economy seems pretty good.

FZ takes an oddly middle ground point of view before it's strictly necessary or even really sensible, then provides an additional somewhat stretchy reason to suspect me, it seems awkward and almost tacked on, like jumping on a bandwagon earlier while ensuring that there's viable reason to believe that it's FZ's idea.

Civvie BTSC is the most powerful thing... or at least Civvie-Civvie knowledge. Confirming Civs is one of the best things we can do to win the game.

...second of all you've never even seen me play as mafia before, the only player in recent history who has is dunya and even then it was just one game under unique circumstances, not enough to build correlation from

This section is sketchy, Kyle, it reads like it's written by someone with a mafia alignment. "you've never even seen me play as mafia before" implies you're mafia now, and the statement that there's "not enough to build correlation from" implies that there could be enough at some point, but if you're Civ, then the idea would be that "correlation is impossible because I'm not bad."

LC picks out the specific part of my response that supports his point despite the fact that the part he cropped out makes his point of agreement less meaningful.

[Sloonei]

linki: intriguing. again, I found the initial hostility suspicious, but his dedication toward clearing his name and holding Jay accountable has been reading more like town Kyle imo.

I don't think so. I read it in the same tone as the previous posts. Jay's posts were standard issue Day 0 flings. Nothing shady or underhanded about them. That the conversation has focused on Kyle since then is circumstantial. To blame it on the initiator of said conversation is misdirected, and to act as if this trend is alarming or restrictive before Day 1 has begun is nervous.

[nutella]

It's too bad we don't have the poop emoji here. I'm ready for [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] to be all over that.

[nutella]

Kyle, I strongly disagree with your interpretation of FZ. I think she gave a completely original reason to suspect you which was unrelated to Jay's thing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

After PoopGate

Sloonei
nutella
speedchuck

Kylemii

F.Z.
Epignosis
Long Con

[Sloonei]

I'm just tired. I don't like or respect what Jay is doing here no matter what his motive is.

why not? It's the most standard Day 1 play in the book.

Um well since the only discussion so far has been about me I guess I'd start by looking into how players reacted to Jay's thing.

The two players who stuck out to me in their jump-on were LC and FZ

Hi, sorry for coming in late.
How's everyone doing?
I love Fiddler on the roof, but haven't seen it in years. Nice to play a game with that theme.

Kyle, have we ever played together?
I have to say, I read most posts up until the following one. Unlike JJJ, I found nothing wrong with Kyle, but then I read this post, and it felt like a frustrated baddie annoyed by what he perceives as too much civvie power, though he can't really say it, so it comes out in a different way, because, well, he can't help himself.

I really don't think we're going to be starved for information in this game anyways, out of the gate we have a btsc cop, a role cop, a role blocker, and a doctor who can gain btsc with 1 of 3 different civ roles, one of which is the previously mentioned role cop, we also have a soapbox user and a mayor.

the number of roles we have that can stimulate the information economy seems pretty good.

FZ takes an oddly middle ground point of view before it's strictly necessary or even really sensible, then provides an additional somewhat stretchy reason to suspect me, it seems awkward and almost tacked on, like jumping on a bandwagon earlier while ensuring that there's viable reason to believe that it's FZ's idea.

I don't follow. Could you elaborate? what do you mean FZ's view came "before it's stricrlt necessary"? what exactly is the accusation you are making here?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Kyle, I strongly disagree with your interpretation of FZ. I think she gave a completely original reason to suspect you which was unrelated to Jay's thing.

I don't care for F.Z.'s take there. It's original, but it's a reach to say a guy is frustrated about power arrangements just because he mentioned powers. I could see it as an effort to heap onto the Kyle Pile without being complicit in promoting my poop.

[Sloonei]

Kylemii

[Kylemii]

Please tell me about the discussion that was happening in this game thread before I threw a brick at your face.

There was no discussion, and it was honestly bothering me but making an accusation, posting a weird silly science man and running away isn't the best way to achieve it.

So it was poop? And you think LC ate it?

It was poop. Kyle is a quality Mafia player and isn't likely to have some glowing beacon of a tell which shows itself in the first three posts.

you are ridiculous.

I'm still mad but at least I'm laughing now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm just tired. I don't like or respect what Jay is doing here no matter what his motive is.

I don't mean to ruin your fun Kyle. Just know that earning your respect is not always the same thing as promoting a winning game thread environment.