Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

What is the strategic difference between lynching Sloonei and lynching me?

[Sloonei]

sloonei with all due respect I'm done responding to you. your case is bad and you're only being repetitive and I have family over that I should be hanging out with, I can't be a good family member, and respond to you, and also make a good decision for this day phase at the same time. I can do 1, maybe 2 of those things but not all 3.

Sloonei's case is literally the only thing I haven't read in this thread (except what I haven't read that I am going to read). I have never known anyone to pour that much effort into a Day 1 case as that.

There are three mafia. Not one. If Sloonei feels he has a fish (you), he can afford to cast his net for others. And I don't see him doing that.

Sloonei doesn't care about the roof.

[speedchuck]

Get her sloonei

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nobody gets an automatic pass. Passes have to be earned.

If you're building a roof (presumably for someone to fiddle on), and you've hired sixteen men to build it, but you are informed that three of those men are intent on destroying the roof, whom do you fire first?

Is it somebody whom you see working very hard on the construction, or someone who looks like he doesn't care about the roof?

If you fire the first guy first, and he wasn't planning to destroy the roof, then you've lost a good worker on the basis of the least evidence. If you fire the second guy, then you've lost someone who...looks like he doesn't care about the roof.

How have I earned this pass while Sloonei has failed to earn it?

[nutella]

Oh gross the light forum skin my eeyyyyyyeeesss

[speedchuck]

Oh gross the light forum skin my eeyyyyyyeeesss

Yeah, I only use it.

You guys with your yellow text. It's awful.

[Sloonei]

Speedchuck is a truly delightful fellow.

[speedchuck]

Speedchuck is a truly delightful fellow.

What did you just call me?

...

No really, what

[Marmot]

Oh gross the light forum skin my eeyyyyyyeeesss

Yeah, I only use it.

You guys with your yellow text. It's awful.

Do you prefer white?

[Marmot]

I want to hear Epignosis's response to Jay about Sloonei's lynch.

I also want to hear back from MacDougall.



Those are two active players I'd lynch right now.

[Sloonei]

why shouldn't I vote for Epi right now?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

why shouldn't I vote for Epi right now?

What are your biggest present gripes?

[Marmot]

why shouldn't I vote for Epi right now?

Are there (non-Kylemii) people you'd rather lynch?

[Marmot]

Who is Dave?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Who is Dave?

He's Dave.

[Sloonei]

why shouldn't I vote for Epi right now?

What are your biggest present gripes?

I hate the argument he used to frame his vote on me. I probably still town read him, but this evening has been a challenge for me and I don't really know how to read anything in this game anymore. I still don't know what the existing case on him is.

[Sloonei]

why shouldn't I vote for Epi right now?

Are there (non-Kylemii) people you'd rather lynch?

Spacedaisy

[speedchuck]

Oh gross the light forum skin my eeyyyyyyeeesss

Yeah, I only use it.

You guys with your yellow text. It's awful.

Do you prefer white?

nooooo

[Marmot]

Who is Dave?

He's Dave.

Where is Dave?

[Sloonei]

meh. I voted for daisy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

why shouldn't I vote for Epi right now?

What are your biggest present gripes?

I hate the argument he used to frame his vote on me. I probably still town read him, but this evening has been a challenge for me and I don't really know how to read anything in this game anymore. I still don't know what the existing case on him is.

There isn't a consolidated single case. There are scattered fragments of my yelling (which you don't need acquainted with) as well as the suspicions expressed by nutella, LoRab, FZ, and most recently Marmot. The prevailing concern is that he has been unreasonable to the point of parody in his handling of me, and that his willingness to give me a Day 1 pass doesn't smell like something a civilian Epignosis would do with a mafia Jay read. For all he'd know I could just kill him pronto and then survive the game while he pulls his hair out.

Did you see the parallel to the RED vs. BLUE game? The resemblance was striking.

[Kylemii]

holy shit?

okay I'm still with fam, but I can check in every once in a while still between songs, what's the deal with space daisy?

[Long Con]

Hey, just got off work, and I'm 8 pages behind. I'll try to hang out here in the present a little while I catch up.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

meh. I voted for daisy.

Do you consider a Daisy lynch to be less lazy and crappy than a Marmot lynch?

[Sloonei]

why shouldn't I vote for Epi right now?

What are your biggest present gripes?

I hate the argument he used to frame his vote on me. I probably still town read him, but this evening has been a challenge for me and I don't really know how to read anything in this game anymore. I still don't know what the existing case on him is.

There isn't a consolidated single case. There are scattered fragments of my yelling (which you don't need acquainted with) as well as the suspicions expressed by nutella, LoRab, FZ, and most recently Marmot. The prevailing concern is that he has been unreasonable to the point of parody in his handling of me, and that his willingness to give me a Day 1 pass doesn't smell like something a civilian Epignosis would do with a mafia Jay read. For all he'd know I could just kill him pronto and then survive the game while he pulls his hair out.

Did you see the parallel to the RED vs. BLUE game? The resemblance was striking.

I did glance at the RvB link you provided and noted the resemblance. That's been my primary hang up on him, though I've maintained the town read.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

holy shit?

okay I'm still with fam, but I can check in every once in a while still between songs, what's the deal with space daisy?

Here's the case:

She dropped a drive-by vote on Sloonei.

That's the case.

[Kylemii]

I apologize for having emotions earlier, I will avoid that in the future.

[Marmot]

Hey, just got off work, and I'm 8 pages behind. I'll try to hang out here in the present a little while I catch up.

Things will be more interesting if you vote for me.

[Sloonei]

meh. I voted for daisy.

Do you consider a Daisy lynch to be less lazy and crappy than a Marmot lynch?

Yes. I feel less than good about all of Daisy's posts.

[Long Con]

I apologize for having emotions earlier, I will avoid that in the future.

Cool, I'm not there yet. Is it going to be awesome?

Also, at the point I'm at, Mac and nutella are sparring about the copied rainbow list. So far, I have felt like it makes them both look more bad, so I guess it's worth a reread tomorrow.

[Long Con]

Hey, just got off work, and I'm 8 pages behind. I'll try to hang out here in the present a little while I catch up.

Things will be more interesting if you vote for me.

OK, I'll vote for Marmot, and we'll see if it's still there in an hour and a half.

[Kylemii]

I know this is a needy request but could someone quote or copy/paste Spacedaisy's 4 posts for me? I can't iso rn without the link

[Kylemii]

I apologize for having emotions earlier, I will avoid that in the future.

Cool, I'm not there yet. Is it going to be awesome?

Eh.

[Marmot]

I know this is a needy request but could someone quote or copy/paste Spacedaisy's 4 posts for me? I can't iso rn without the link

Spoiler: show

If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:

Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.

However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.

We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?

This is interesting. I need to think on this because traditionally I've always viewed civs with BTSC as one of the strongest things the civs can have...

Ok, holy shit ya'll! I left for work and thought maybe I could slowly catch up on the last three pages. Now there are ten more. There is no way I can catch up with this before the day ends so I'm probably going to random vote between the people earning votes.

Let me rephrase this, I am not casting a random vote. That was poorly chosen wording. I am going to cast my vote on someone who already, butnot randomly. I really would like to vote the same way as Kyle for two reasons. As far as I was caught up (only page 9) I felt like Sloonei's behavior around Kyle/Jay in the first few pages was the most shady. In particular the long post where he did one word characterizations of Kyles posts. I can expand on this more after work but I just don't have the time now. I also trust Kyle more than any other after the half the thread I've read, so the fact his vote is there too makes me feel that much more confident in my vote. I only wish more people would consider a vote there.

[Long Con]

If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:

Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.

However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.

We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?

This is interesting. I need to think on this because traditionally I've always viewed civs with BTSC as one of the strongest things the civs can have...

Ok, holy shit ya'll! I left for work and thought maybe I could slowly catch up on the last three pages. Now there are ten more. There is no way I can catch up with this before the day ends so I'm probably going to random vote between the people earning votes.

Let me rephrase this, I am not casting a random vote. That was poorly chosen wording. I am going to cast my vote on someone who already, butnot randomly. I really would like to vote the same way as Kyle for two reasons. As far as I was caught up (only page 9) I felt like Sloonei's behavior around Kyle/Jay in the first few pages was the most shady. In particular the long post where he did one word characterizations of Kyles posts. I can expand on this more after work but I just don't have the time now. I also trust Kyle more than any other after the half the thread I've read, so the fact his vote is there too makes me feel that much more confident in my vote. I only wish more people would consider a vote there.

[Marmot]

Based on Mac's eventual reasons for lynching me (aside from PoE), I wonder how he'd feel about a Daisy lynch.

[Long Con]

no linki was given

[Marmot]

no linki was given

Sometimes the linki giveth. Sometimes it taketh.

[Long Con]

So is it genuinely in Epignosis's MO as Mafia to go after Jimmy on day 1 and put himself at risk like this?

He is now leading the votes. I don't like it. It looks like a potential mislynch to me. I am getting nam flashbacks to MK.

This post is ugly to me. In a Mac is bad and knows Epi is good, kind of way.

[Long Con]

no linki was given

Sometimes the linki giveth. Sometimes it taketh.

You outclassed me with the spoiler tags too. Maybe it's time to retire.

[Long Con]

That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

"wow, i can't believe you actually really believed i was telling the truth while i was obviously being purposefully deceptive for a weird joke"

I didn't post the rainbow list to make a joke. I posted the rainbow list to determine the level to which people were paying attention to see if I could analyse any level of collusion.

Has there been any analysis by Mac on collusion levels?

[Sloonei]

Daisy's four posts, with reasons why Sloonei dislikes them:

This is an emoji. There are no words in this post. Daisy is implying excitement about the game. Daisy is not saying anything though.

If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:

Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.

However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.

We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?

This is interesting. I need to think on this because traditionally I've always viewed civs with BTSC as one of the strongest things the civs can have...

Daisy starts this post off by saying nothing. Then in the middle, she says nothing. She ends it by saying nothing with an ellipsis.

Ok, holy shit ya'll! I left for work and thought maybe I could slowly catch up on the last three pages. Now there are ten more. There is no way I can catch up with this before the day ends so I'm probably going to random vote between the people earning votes.

Daisy comments on the activity of the game. Daisy then vows to cast a vote which will be attributed to the work of others, referring it as "random".

Let me rephrase this, I am not casting a random vote. That was poorly chosen wording. I am going to cast my vote on someone who already, butnot randomly. I really would like to vote the same way as Kyle for two reasons. As far as I was caught up (only page 9) I felt like Sloonei's behavior around Kyle/Jay in the first few pages was the most shady. In particular the long post where he did one word characterizations of Kyles posts. I can expand on this more after work but I just don't have the time now. I also trust Kyle more than any other after the half the thread I've read, so the fact his vote is there too makes me feel that much more confident in my vote. I only wish more people would consider a vote there.

Daisy corrects her wording from before, because saying a vote is "random" is a bad look. Daisy puts a vote on me and hides behind Kyle. Then Daisy leaves.

[Long Con]

Daisy does not look great, given that analysis. Not enough for me to vote for her right now, I'm willing to give her more time to make more posts to analyze.

[Sloonei]

Daisy does not look great, given that analysis. Not enough for me to vote for her right now, I'm willing to give her more time to make more posts to analyze.

what if it's between me and her?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My wi-fi is taking a crap. I can barely open a page.

[Marmot]

Daisy does not look great, given that analysis. Not enough for me to vote for her right now, I'm willing to give her more time to make more posts to analyze.

what if it's between me and her?

But it's not.

[DrWilgy]

Daisy does not look great, given that analysis. Not enough for me to vote for her right now, I'm willing to give her more time to make more posts to analyze.

what if it's between me and her?

I'll murder you!

[Sloonei]

Daisy does not look great, given that analysis. Not enough for me to vote for her right now, I'm willing to give her more time to make more posts to analyze.

what if it's between me and her?

But it's not.

It kind of is at the moment. Or Epi.

[Sloonei]

Daisy does not look great, given that analysis. Not enough for me to vote for her right now, I'm willing to give her more time to make more posts to analyze.

what if it's between me and her?

I'll murder you!

[Sloonei]

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] take your dumb vote off me so I don't die.