Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why my opinion about Juliets?

Why not my opinion about Mac?

It’s because Daisy is teamed with Juliets. Put that in your takeout and call it a five.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We weren’t talking about Juliets. We were talking about Nutella’s reaction to Nova talking about Juliets.

I'm talking about how other people view a dialogue, not its literal nature. There's often a stark difference.

[juliets]

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?

I mean if Juliets knows one of them will win, she knows Mac and Nova aren’t the same alignment. That would make her mafia and since the accusation comes from Nova, Mac mafia as well.

Saying Mac and Juliets have w/w equity right out of the gate is pretty spicy imo.

Here's what I posted:

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

I pretty clearly say they could both win or both lose. Actually, I didn't notice Mac is one game ahead so the part about one of them moving ahead is a moot point. Do you guys even know what I'm talking about here?

[Spacedaisy]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Just because I think I need to post something, I’ll put this out here.
I’m at a point where I’m making connections between people, no further than that. I have connected at least five people, but I’m not naming them yet. Because, I feel like studying them more, and because I don’t feel strongly that any of them are bad. One more because- there are still two people who haven’t checked in yet.

If I need to say anything more productive, prod me and I’ll try. Otherwise, I’m going back to observation mode.

I support you doing your thing the way you want to do it, Matahari. Just please keep notes on those connections so that we might see them at some point in Day 1 at least.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also in a vacuum, I see the second post as not w/w indicative. Scum Jay doesn’t need an excuse to not do things so his teammate doesn’t need to give him that excuse.

o.O

i...i don't know how you're reaching these conclusions exactly. you've never seen a teammate defend a teammate before? have you even mafia'd?

Jay’s a big boy and it was barely an accusation.

It read like DDL was scared of Jay or DDL was understanding of Jay, not that DDL needed to lay off cause he was barely on and it’s Jay.

[dunya]

I called nova town and speed bad in my first post to throw out my impressions from the posts up to that point. So those were the previous stances, before the juliets/Mac thing came up which I found an intriguing possibility (the implication that they're teammates. So I'm keeping a close eye on both of them. As
for Luna, well she only has a couple posts and they didn't feel the most natural (as Jay pointed out she kinda overjustified her d0 vote).

The comparison you draw between my speed and juliets mentions is unfair. Speed was an early gut suspect. Like, early early. I'm giving him a chance to say what he can (in his state lol). Juliets I am keeping an eye on because of a strange thing nova pointed out that may tie her to Mac, and I don't see anything inspiring from Mac so that is on the table imo.

yikes dunya, pay attention. i skipped the second part of all your posts cos i thought they were all song lyrics so i missed that first post where you named nova and speed. i'm skimming this game don't judge me.

i'm interested to seeing your response to juliets' question though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

We weren’t talking about Juliets. We were talking about Nutella’s reaction to Nova talking about Juliets.

I'm talking about how other people view a dialogue, not its literal nature. There's often a stark difference.

And I’m talking about Daisy being sensitive to discussion about Juliets to the point where she’s scumreading stuff that isn’t even about Juliets, stuff that is explicitly as much about Mac and she didn’t even mention Mac.

[Jackofhearts2005]

While also distancing from Juliets.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We weren’t talking about Juliets. We were talking about Nutella’s reaction to Nova talking about Juliets.

I'm talking about how other people view a dialogue, not its literal nature. There's often a stark difference.

And I’m talking about Daisy being sensitive to discussion about Juliets to the point where she’s scumreading stuff that isn’t even about Juliets, stuff that is explicitly as much about Mac and she didn’t even mention Mac.

I believe that you believe in your argument here, so chase it to your heart's desire. I'm not feeling it.

[dunya]

Also in a vacuum, I see the second post as not w/w indicative. Scum Jay doesn’t need an excuse to not do things so his teammate doesn’t need to give him that excuse.

o.O

i...i don't know how you're reaching these conclusions exactly. you've never seen a teammate defend a teammate before? have you even mafia'd?

Jay’s a big boy and it was barely an accusation.

It read like DDL was scared of Jay or DDL was understanding of Jay, not that DDL needed to lay off cause he was barely on and it’s Jay.

i have not gotten the impression ddl is scared at all this game. i suggest you reread him.

[dunya]

Spoiler: show

that's true. do you think that's a weakness in my play? this isn't really game related, but i'm curious if you don't mind answering.

No, not necessarily. Both mean and nice can be effective under the right circumstances, and they can often be effective when used simultaneously (in a good cop/bad cop kind of way).

Mean players are probably likely to incite emotion and passion in their suspects, which tends to make those people easier to read. It can also create discord though, and make people less eager to follow the lead of the meanie.

Nice players may be more vulnerable to being taken advantage of by those who will get away with lackluster play, but they're also much easier to follow and [arguably] harder to suspect.

And when it comes to Mafia play, being "nicer than JJJ" isn't saying much. I wouldn't characterize you as being super nice yourself. You can be a scary bumblebee when you want to be.

thank you for that. it's very interesting to me to know other people's opinions about my mafia'ing personality lol.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dragon D. Luffy
dunya
Jackofhearts2005
juliets
Kites
novaselinenever
Spacedaisy
speedchuck

Long Con
reywaS

Elochin
leetic
Lunalee
MacDougall
Matahari
Neverwhere
nijuukyugou
nutella

[Jackofhearts2005]

that's true. do you think that's a weakness in my play? this isn't really game related, but i'm curious if you don't mind answering.

No, not necessarily. Both mean and nice can be effective under the right circumstances, and they can often be effective when used simultaneously (in a good cop/bad cop kind of way).

Mean players are probably likely to incite emotion and passion in their suspects, which tends to make those people easier to read. It can also create discord though, and make people less eager to follow the lead of the meanie.

Nice players may be more vulnerable to being taken advantage of by those who will get away with lackluster play, but they're also much easier to follow and [arguably] harder to suspect.

And when it comes to Mafia play, being "nicer than JJJ" isn't saying much. I wouldn't characterize you as being super nice yourself. You can be a scary bumblebee when you want to be.

My god...

Is this why nobody listens to me?

[dunya]

spacedaisy is town. genuine progression of thoughts. natural flow. a beauty in this beast of a game.

jack's arguments and posts remind me slightly of world flags mafia jack but a bit less trollish...eh meh.

[dunya]

nova has been missing in action guys. someone send a search party...

[dunya]

hi guys ! i haven’t played ina while ::

Kites!!!!

In checking!

Fun having!

Skimmed 2 pages in which JJJ analyzes stuff like "hey guys" and "hi and goodnight" and assigning each entry a different alignment sticker. I'm laughing.

Dunya!!!!

What does spank cover mean @juliets ?

Kinky

Oh my. I love this day 0 herd culling. So different from the ancient days of mafia when everyone struggled for something to say on day 0 and the few aggressive people wound up getting lynched on days that followed. Now everyone can be aggressive and the mafia can blend in.

But this a holiday so I’ll be back later tonight to say things that can be overanalyzed. Happy GoT day everyone!

WIFEY!!!! <3

wow, i may have to change my stance on daisy. she's married another woman.

[dunya]

i am not at all understanding jack's issue with daisy. can someone link me to a series of posts that explains it or type it out as if you were talking to an 8 year old pls and ty.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i am not at all understanding jack's issue with daisy. can someone link me to a series of posts that explains it or type it out as if you were talking to an 8 year old pls and ty.

I'm doing this. Nobody else do this. I don't want to waste my time.

[dunya]

Kites

why?

[dunya]

why is kites a green skittle, i mean. [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

[juliets]

i am not at all understanding jack's issue with daisy. can someone link me to a series of posts that explains it or type it out as if you were talking to an 8 year old pls and ty.

I was just about to ask this same thing. I am lost on this issue.

[juliets]

Also, Daisy you indicated you suspect me because I don't seem confused and seem more confident? Am I understanding that correctly?

[Jackofhearts2005]

i am not at all understanding jack's issue with daisy. can someone link me to a series of posts that explains it or type it out as if you were talking to an 8 year old pls and ty.

Situation: Mac and Nova are tied for most wins this year.
Juliets: Will both, neither or only one of them win?
Nova: Does Juliets know the answer to this? (Implication being that Juliets and Mac would be mafia. Otherwise, Juliets could not know the answer to this or Nova couldn’t be town.)
Nutella: This is spicy.
Jay: Is not.
Jack: Is so.
Daisy: I don’t like the way Jack pushed Juliets. Also maybe Juliets is bad.

I’m not pushing Juliets (yet). I’m not even talking about Juliets. If I agreed with an offhanded comment from Nova that he may or may not even think, then I would suspect Juliets AND Mac.

Daisy calls me on suspecting Juliets but doesn’t mention Mac at all. She also scumreads Juliets independent of me.

I conclude that Daisy is teamed with Juliets and is defending her by calling my nonexistent push on her suspicious but she’s also laying out a distancing scumread on Juliets in case she does end up lynched so that her defense looks like less of a defense.

If this is correct, it would also be a good look for Mac and Jay.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i am not at all understanding jack's issue with daisy. can someone link me to a series of posts that explains it or type it out as if you were talking to an 8 year old pls and ty.

From the beginning:

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

juliets said this. She was referring to the 2019 Syndicate wins leaderboard, which has MacDougall and nova both at/near the top.

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

nova asked this ominous question -- if juliets does know the answer to any of them, that's bad for her. If she knows the answer re: Mac, they're teammates (this answers your previous question about Mac).

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

nutella said it was spicy.

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?

I found it dubious.

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?

I mean if Juliets knows one of them will win, she knows Mac and Nova aren’t the same alignment. That would make her mafia and since the accusation comes from Nova, Mac mafia as well.

Saying Mac and Juliets have w/w equity right out of the gate is pretty spicy imo.

Jack answered my question by suggesting that it could indeed be called spicy (that it was understandable for nutella to feel that way).

Further clarification

I don’t think you all are together. I think one or two of you are but I’m not sure which ones.

Juliets I don’t feel the normal confused/trying to understand vibe I get from her posts. She seems more confident in her reads than I expect from civ Juliets.

Jay, it’s in the way he has responded to dunya. She pressed to understand why two things read differently because she didn’t see a difference. A valid question imo. His response was , she should know me better than that. An implicationhe thinks she is bad. Then a short time later he calls her good, I don’t see a natural evolution of opinion in there. It looks bad to me.

Jack, you pushed Juliets for her joke questions about Mac/nova. I’ve only played two game series this year and even I knew what she was talking about. You presented it in a manner as if she only asked the questions as if she already knew they were on different teams, but that was t an accurate representation. Looks bad to me.

Daisy expressed suspicion of Jack on the basis of that discussion -- she felt he was voicing his own suspicion of juliets and didn't like that about him on the basis she explains above.

Jack is peeved because he feels this is a misrepresentation of his own stance on juliets (that he hadn't actually taken one yet). Couple this with the fact that Daisy also voiced suspicion of juliets, he feels the inconsistency -- both suspecting and [arguably] defending juliets simultaneously -- implies that they're compatible as mafia teammates.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

why is kites a green skittle, i mean. JaggedJimmyJay

Of all the folks with a small post count, I think he looks the most genuine.

[juliets]

I think Daisy's point was she suspects me for something different, but that something different sounds fake to me which is why I'm asking her to clarify that I am reading her correctly. I am not her teammate. I am not bad and will claim if I have to.

[Matahari]

hi guys ! i haven’t played ina while ::

Kites!!!!

In checking!

Fun having!

Skimmed 2 pages in which JJJ analyzes stuff like "hey guys" and "hi and goodnight" and assigning each entry a different alignment sticker. I'm laughing.

Dunya!!!!

What does spank cover mean @juliets ?

Kinky

Oh my. I love this day 0 herd culling. So different from the ancient days of mafia when everyone struggled for something to say on day 0 and the few aggressive people wound up getting lynched on days that followed. Now everyone can be aggressive and the mafia can blend in.

But this a holiday so I’ll be back later tonight to say things that can be overanalyzed. Happy GoT day everyone!

WIFEY!!!! <3

wow, i may have to change my stance on daisy. she's married another woman.

yes, the love of my life left me in the dust when I lost my fortune. I will always miss my sweet wifey though.

[nutella]

I thought Nova's point about juliets was spicy because it seemed weird to me that juliets said it at all and I felt like it would come from a juliets who had insider knowledge about their alignments rather than a juliets who didn't. Just feels like an unnatural comment to make if she had no other reason to find it a compelling competition to follow, idk.
Well I should know by now
That it's just a spasm
Like a Sunday in T.J.
That it's cheap but it's not free
That I'm not what I used to be
And that love's not a game for three
Babylon sisters shake it
Babylon sisters shake it
So fine so young
Tell me I'm the only one

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nutella could confess to being mafia in the middle of those songs and I probably wouldn’t notice.

[Spacedaisy]

So this was too time consuming not having the ISO links. Epi implies that we're going to need to do them if we want them. Also dunya I usually don't form impressions this early in a game unless I have strong feelings, and I only have strong feelings about one person. I'll try though, see below:

Ok so three people so far think speed is bad but I can't tell anything from "Hey guys". I don't even have a lean on him.

Matahari - I can't tell anything from her post either. Need more, no leans.

lee tic - I agree with what someone (nova?) said about leetic's post, it seemed honest and upfront. I didn't see it as slank cover like Jay did. Lean good.

nutella - I don't see why she thinks my post was spicy but she often jumps on things early that others are questioning. I lean good.

kites - seems comfortable and posts sound natural. I lean good.

Neverwhere - I only see the one post about the poll. I don't have a lean on her yet.

dunya - Jumps in and starts analyzing and asking questions. Caveat, I only know good dunya but I do lean good here.

DDL - I haven't seen anything yet that convinces me he is good but I can't say I've seen anything bad yet either. His comment about Jay and nova being confusing was...confusing but not necessarily indicative of alignment. I need more time with him.

tons of linki

Who was the one person you had a strong feeling about at that point?

[dunya]

Spoiler: show

i am not at all understanding jack's issue with daisy. can someone link me to a series of posts that explains it or type it out as if you were talking to an 8 year old pls and ty.

From the beginning:

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

juliets said this. She was referring to the 2019 Syndicate wins leaderboard, which has MacDougall and nova both at/near the top.

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

nova asked this ominous question -- if juliets does know the answer to any of them, that's bad for her. If she knows the answer re: Mac, they're teammates (this answers your previous question about Mac).

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

nutella said it was spicy.

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?

I found it dubious.

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?

I mean if Juliets knows one of them will win, she knows Mac and Nova aren’t the same alignment. That would make her mafia and since the accusation comes from Nova, Mac mafia as well.

Saying Mac and Juliets have w/w equity right out of the gate is pretty spicy imo.

Jack answered my question by suggesting that it could indeed be called spicy (that it was understandable for nutella to feel that way).

Further clarification

I don’t think you all are together. I think one or two of you are but I’m not sure which ones.

Juliets I don’t feel the normal confused/trying to understand vibe I get from her posts. She seems more confident in her reads than I expect from civ Juliets.

Jay, it’s in the way he has responded to dunya. She pressed to understand why two things read differently because she didn’t see a difference. A valid question imo. His response was , she should know me better than that. An implicationhe thinks she is bad. Then a short time later he calls her good, I don’t see a natural evolution of opinion in there. It looks bad to me.

Jack, you pushed Juliets for her joke questions about Mac/nova. I’ve only played two game series this year and even I knew what she was talking about. You presented it in a manner as if she only asked the questions as if she already knew they were on different teams, but that was t an accurate representation. Looks bad to me.

Daisy expressed suspicion of Jack on the basis of that discussion -- she felt he was voicing his own suspicion of juliets and didn't like that about him on the basis she explains above.

Jack is peeved because he feels this is a misrepresentation of his own stance on juliets (that he hadn't actually taken one yet). Couple this with the fact that Daisy also voiced suspicion of juliets, he feels the inconsistency -- both suspecting and [arguably] defending juliets simultaneously -- implies that they're compatible as mafia teammates.

thanks for doing that, it's much clearer than jack's post which still left me confused.

i don't think jack was misrepresented. nova voiced suspicion of juliets, nutella called it spicy (and by extension suspects juliets), jack says nutella was right in it being spicy (and by extensio the implication that he also sees what nutella and nova saw is there).

i feel high.

[juliets]

I thought Nova's point about juliets was spicy because it seemed weird to me that juliets said it at all and I felt like it would come from a juliets who had insider knowledge about their alignments rather than a juliets who didn't. Just feels like an unnatural comment to make if she had no other reason to find it a compelling competition to follow, idk.
Well I should know by now
That it's just a spasm
Like a Sunday in T.J.
That it's cheap but it's not free
That I'm not what I used to be
And that love's not a game for three
Babylon sisters shake it
Babylon sisters shake it
So fine so young
Tell me I'm the only one

I find it compelling because nova is determined to beat Mac and since I know and like them both I find it an interesting contest. I know this because he told me in discord before this game ever started when we were talking about the scrimmage game. You can search "nova" in discord and you will find a post where he says "can't let Mac take a lead". That's actually why I thought they were tied.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

thanks for doing that, it's much clearer than jack's post which still left me confused.

i don't think jack was misrepresented. nova voiced suspicion of juliets, nutella called it spicy (and by extension suspects juliets), jack says nutella was right in it being spicy (and by extensio the implication that he also sees what nutella and nova saw is there).

i feel high.

I agree, in so much as I understand why Daisy would have that perception.

[juliets]

So this was too time consuming not having the ISO links. Epi implies that we're going to need to do them if we want them. Also dunya I usually don't form impressions this early in a game unless I have strong feelings, and I only have strong feelings about one person. I'll try though, see below:

Ok so three people so far think speed is bad but I can't tell anything from "Hey guys". I don't even have a lean on him.

Matahari - I can't tell anything from her post either. Need more, no leans.

lee tic - I agree with what someone (nova?) said about leetic's post, it seemed honest and upfront. I didn't see it as slank cover like Jay did. Lean good.

nutella - I don't see why she thinks my post was spicy but she often jumps on things early that others are questioning. I lean good.

kites - seems comfortable and posts sound natural. I lean good.

Neverwhere - I only see the one post about the poll. I don't have a lean on her yet.

dunya - Jumps in and starts analyzing and asking questions. Caveat, I only know good dunya but I do lean good here.

DDL - I haven't seen anything yet that convinces me he is good but I can't say I've seen anything bad yet either. His comment about Jay and nova being confusing was...confusing but not necessarily indicative of alignment. I need more time with him.

tons of linki

Who was the one person you had a strong feeling about at that point?

That nova is town.

[Spacedaisy]

I’ve just done the ISO of Juliets twice and I wish I could explain it more. At first I thought it was that she was less confused sounding, added to the read list which seemed out of character. But she did that in Vault on Day 0 too, so it’s NAI clearly. But I still cannot shake the feeling that Juliets is not her normal civ self. I can’t figure out why though. She seems like there is more confidence in her than I usually feel like I see or something. I don’t know. This is why she was a slight lean, because I know it’s tone. My gut is saying something is off.

And I don’t like the response I just got from her about this either. Her reaction is to jump to saying she will claim if she has to? It’s closed setup and I would be surprised if the baddies hadn’t been given claim cover. I just don’t feel good about Juliets.

I’m off to ISO Jack, see if it changes my mind.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Spoiler: show

i am not at all understanding jack's issue with daisy. can someone link me to a series of posts that explains it or type it out as if you were talking to an 8 year old pls and ty.

From the beginning:

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

juliets said this. She was referring to the 2019 Syndicate wins leaderboard, which has MacDougall and nova both at/near the top.

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

nova asked this ominous question -- if juliets does know the answer to any of them, that's bad for her. If she knows the answer re: Mac, they're teammates (this answers your previous question about Mac).

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

nutella said it was spicy.

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?

I found it dubious.

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?

I mean if Juliets knows one of them will win, she knows Mac and Nova aren’t the same alignment. That would make her mafia and since the accusation comes from Nova, Mac mafia as well.

Saying Mac and Juliets have w/w equity right out of the gate is pretty spicy imo.

Jack answered my question by suggesting that it could indeed be called spicy (that it was understandable for nutella to feel that way).

Further clarification

I don’t think you all are together. I think one or two of you are but I’m not sure which ones.

Juliets I don’t feel the normal confused/trying to understand vibe I get from her posts. She seems more confident in her reads than I expect from civ Juliets.

Jay, it’s in the way he has responded to dunya. She pressed to understand why two things read differently because she didn’t see a difference. A valid question imo. His response was , she should know me better than that. An implicationhe thinks she is bad. Then a short time later he calls her good, I don’t see a natural evolution of opinion in there. It looks bad to me.

Jack, you pushed Juliets for her joke questions about Mac/nova. I’ve only played two game series this year and even I knew what she was talking about. You presented it in a manner as if she only asked the questions as if she already knew they were on different teams, but that was t an accurate representation. Looks bad to me.

Daisy expressed suspicion of Jack on the basis of that discussion -- she felt he was voicing his own suspicion of juliets and didn't like that about him on the basis she explains above.

Jack is peeved because he feels this is a misrepresentation of his own stance on juliets (that he hadn't actually taken one yet). Couple this with the fact that Daisy also voiced suspicion of juliets, he feels the inconsistency -- both suspecting and [arguably] defending juliets simultaneously -- implies that they're compatible as mafia teammates.

thanks for doing that, it's much clearer than jack's post which still left me confused.

i don't think jack was misrepresented. nova voiced suspicion of juliets, nutella called it spicy (and by extension suspects juliets), jack says nutella was right in it being spicy (and by extensio the implication that he also sees what nutella and nova saw is there).

i feel high.

Do you think “spicy” means “I agree”?

[juliets]

This is the post I was responding to in my "Hahaha" post. This was at the very beginning of the game.

What's up, Mac?

To my way of thinking this was Nova saying "so, we meet again friend in our little competition".

[dunya]

nova asked this ominous question -- if juliets does know the answer to any of them, that's bad for her. If she knows the answer re: Mac, they're teammates (this answers your previous question about Mac).

i guess this never stood out for me as a serious thing as i was reading because it seemed playful "trailer talk" for this game ala messi vs. ronaldo or speedchuck vs. kyle (vs. quin) on the leaderboard.

[Spacedaisy]

Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?

What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.

This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.

This confused me. Can you explain what you mean?

[dunya]

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i am not at all understanding jack's issue with daisy. can someone link me to a series of posts that explains it or type it out as if you were talking to an 8 year old pls and ty.

From the beginning:

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

juliets said this. She was referring to the 2019 Syndicate wins leaderboard, which has MacDougall and nova both at/near the top.

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

nova asked this ominous question -- if juliets does know the answer to any of them, that's bad for her. If she knows the answer re: Mac, they're teammates (this answers your previous question about Mac).

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

nutella said it was spicy.

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?

I found it dubious.

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?

I mean if Juliets knows one of them will win, she knows Mac and Nova aren’t the same alignment. That would make her mafia and since the accusation comes from Nova, Mac mafia as well.

Saying Mac and Juliets have w/w equity right out of the gate is pretty spicy imo.

Jack answered my question by suggesting that it could indeed be called spicy (that it was understandable for nutella to feel that way).

Further clarification

I don’t think you all are together. I think one or two of you are but I’m not sure which ones.

Juliets I don’t feel the normal confused/trying to understand vibe I get from her posts. She seems more confident in her reads than I expect from civ Juliets.

Jay, it’s in the way he has responded to dunya. She pressed to understand why two things read differently because she didn’t see a difference. A valid question imo. His response was , she should know me better than that. An implicationhe thinks she is bad. Then a short time later he calls her good, I don’t see a natural evolution of opinion in there. It looks bad to me.

Jack, you pushed Juliets for her joke questions about Mac/nova. I’ve only played two game series this year and even I knew what she was talking about. You presented it in a manner as if she only asked the questions as if she already knew they were on different teams, but that was t an accurate representation. Looks bad to me.

Daisy expressed suspicion of Jack on the basis of that discussion -- she felt he was voicing his own suspicion of juliets and didn't like that about him on the basis she explains above.

Jack is peeved because he feels this is a misrepresentation of his own stance on juliets (that he hadn't actually taken one yet). Couple this with the fact that Daisy also voiced suspicion of juliets, he feels the inconsistency -- both suspecting and [arguably] defending juliets simultaneously -- implies that they're compatible as mafia teammates.

thanks for doing that, it's much clearer than jack's post which still left me confused.

i don't think jack was misrepresented. nova voiced suspicion of juliets, nutella called it spicy (and by extension suspects juliets), jack says nutella was right in it being spicy (and by extensio the implication that he also sees what nutella and nova saw is there).

i feel high.

Do you think “spicy” means “I agree”?

when someone goes "ooooohhh this is a hot take/spicy" it does mean there is some interest and agreement in what they're reading.

what does "spicy" mean to you?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’ve just done the ISO of Juliets twice and I wish I could explain it more. At first I thought it was that she was less confused sounding, added to the read list which seemed out of character. But she did that in Vault on Day 0 too, so it’s NAI clearly. But I still cannot shake the feeling that Juliets is not her normal civ self. I can’t figure out why though. She seems like there is more confidence in her than I usually feel like I see or something. I don’t know. This is why she was a slight lean, because I know it’s tone. My gut is saying something is off.

That relates to a comparison I drew not long ago, which I interpreted the opposite way. I also think there's a bit of a "bug" in the air regarding aggressive, assertive civilian play (seen most emphatically in recent novaselinenever games) that juliets is adapting to a bit herself.

And I don’t like the response I just got from her about this either. Her reaction is to jump to saying she will claim if she has to? It’s closed setup and I would be surprised if the baddies hadn’t been given claim cover. I just don’t feel good about Juliets.

I've actually never seen this before in a fully closed setup (mafia players being given fake role claims as opposed to fake character claims). I think there's a great argument that it shouldn't be that way, but nonetheless I've not seen what you describe. I have seen it in semi-open setups.

[juliets]

I’ve just done the ISO of Juliets twice and I wish I could explain it more. At first I thought it was that she was less confused sounding, added to the read list which seemed out of character. But she did that in Vault on Day 0 too, so it’s NAI clearly. But I still cannot shake the feeling that Juliets is not her normal civ self. I can’t figure out why though. She seems like there is more confidence in her than I usually feel like I see or something. I don’t know. This is why she was a slight lean, because I know it’s tone. My gut is saying something is off.

And I don’t like the response I just got from her about this either. Her reaction is to jump to saying she will claim if she has to? It’s closed setup and I would be surprised if the baddies hadn’t been given claim cover. I just don’t feel good about Juliets.

I’m off to ISO Jack, see if it changes my mind.

Well, you are dead wrong. You may think I am off but I'm not. I will claim if I have to because it will be very little lost for the civs and very little gain for the mafia if they kill me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To me, Jack and Daisy is the epitome of what differentiates misrepresentation from misinterpretation. I think it's the latter.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?

What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.

This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.

This confused me. Can you explain what you mean?

It’s an overreaction. Feels fake. I don’t think DDL overreacts to his own teammate like this.

[Spacedaisy]

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?

I mean if Juliets knows one of them will win, she knows Mac and Nova aren’t the same alignment. That would make her mafia and since the accusation comes from Nova, Mac mafia as well.

Saying Mac and Juliets have w/w equity right out of the gate is pretty spicy imo.

I think I see where the problem came in for me. When Nutella said it was spicy, I didn’t think of it as her saying she thought it was a valid accusation. In discord people are saying Spivey all the time and she is a discord regular. I just read it like a spectator thinking it was interesting to watch. When you dissected it like this it became you making way more of it in my mind than it was. But on a second reading I think it was just because of my own mind set.

Going to finish my ISO of you before I decide if it changes my read.

[Spacedaisy]

*spicey

[Spacedaisy]

To me, Jack and Daisy is the epitome of what differentiates misrepresentation from misinterpretation. I think it's the latter.

my favorite post you’ve made this game

[dunya]

Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?

What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.

This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.

This confused me. Can you explain what you mean?

that's twice in 2 separate occasions where jack reinforces jay and ddl can't be w/w. see below.

Also in a vacuum, I see the second post as not w/w indicative. Scum Jay doesn’t need an excuse to not do things so his teammate doesn’t need to give him that excuse.

not sure what it means and how these three are tied together yet. but it's worth noting.

[Spacedaisy]

Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?

What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.

This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.

This confused me. Can you explain what you mean?

It’s an overreaction. Feels fake. I don’t think DDL overreacts to his own teammate like this.

So you think DDL is bad but Jay is not, am I understanding correctly?