Dogs vs. Cats [END]

#1501

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:01 pm Your 4 Poe names logic is broken and i told you why JJJ

It isn’t. I will try to explain why I do that when the game is over.

#1502

[mention]Michelle[/mention] your vote for JJJ hurts the "tied vote" plan, which is a good one.

#1503

I’m going to have to begin my drive soon, and I’ll be out of commission when the deadline hits. I’m content to pop a squat on my Fayt vote. If y’all want to coordinate a tie, I think Fayt should be the other name.

Before I bail I’ll consolidate my full legacy.

#1504

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:06 pmIf y’all want to coordinate a tie, I think Fayt should be the other name.

Agreed.

#1505

I don't like ties but ok.

#1506

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:06 pmIf y’all want to coordinate a tie, I think Fayt should be the other name.
Agreed.

I don't
I think Dragomir would be better

#1507

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:53 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:50 pm Fayt > Dragomir > Michelle > Mac
I shouldn't be here.
If Not You, Then Who?

[insert photo of Barney]

Just have 3 ppl.

#1508

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:53 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:50 pm Fayt > Dragomir > Michelle > Mac
I shouldn't be here.
If Not You, Then Who?

[insert photo of Barney]
Just have 3 ppl.

No guys. That's not how POE works. At least not mine.

#1509

Never Understood, but Never Unloved
The Legacy of JaggedJimmyJay
13 October, 2019 to 19 October, 2019

Why Fayt?

Bad interactions with Rej the cat

Interactions with speedchuck the cat do them no favors

Fayt fits the profile of a mafioso who places inordinate trust in me as have many mafia members before.

Their progression on Long Con looks fake / It set them up for a vote on sprityo

At 26 posts, they're in the "reverse by post count" field. The game hasn't moved at a torrent pace, but it has been quick at times. Cats sometimes struggle to keep up. speedchuck struggled to keep up.

If it isn't Fayt, then who is it?

The remainder of my POE is Dragomir, Michelle, and MacDougall. I do not feel 100% solid about that, and I would hope that those dogs who outlive me engage in thorough dialogue about anyone fielded as a suspect.

Dragomir

If nothing else, he opened this game quite awkwardly. That is in stark contrast to Persona 5. He kinda regained his footing, but even still has had a sporadic and inconsistent rate of participation. Some of his play has ventured into a fancy play syndrome space, or even outright trolling (I want to lynch Jay, who I read as town). These don't have to be condemnations, but they're not reasons for credit either.

Most importantly, Rej's voting behavior can implicate Dragomir. Rej had a clear counterwagon available for some time (Dragomir), and openly refused to vote on it -- even after stating some suspicion. When a Long Con wagon appeared instead, Rej went for it. The Day 2 voting may be better for Dragomir, but only a bit so. It's not hugely inspiring.

Michelle

She has played hard, and her tone has been solid. I respect what she has put into the thread. That's not enough at this point in the game though to clear her, at least not for me -- I don't know her at all and cannot make assumptions. There is no objective or solid evidential basis, to my knowledge, to call Michelle a dog. That means that she is a suspect and should be taken seriously as such.

MacDougall

For the most part I think Mac has looked the part. That's fine. It's not enough though, particularly given that he hasn't actually done much of anything in this game. If you ask yourself what Mac has given of substance beyond *vote Rej* and *give JJJ a whole pile of shit*, what do you answer with? I have nothing. He voted nutella one time I guess? His play is underwhelming, and his treatment of me leaves a lot of room for opportunism. He has used nonsense language like "caught in a lie" or "100% mafia" or "self vote" that does not align with events -- he should really know better after his Wild Card and Finale games. I don't struggle to believe that he has made me his punching bag to help him coast otherwise unproductively.

~~If you think Mac looks like a dog and haven't bothered dealing with him lately as a result, that's a problem and you need to fix it. I don't give a shit what you think of his tone. Challenge him, because he is fully capable of fooling you (the collective you). He's done it before many times to capable players.~~

I could even call him my second-biggest suspect. I don't stand on super confident ground there, but Dragomir and Michelle both look more authentic at face value to me than Mac does.

Is it someone else?

Could be. Give everyone a fair look. I'll tell you why I don't think so, and you be the judge:

Epignosis and Dom: I don't think they kill Turnip Head. Yes, I think that's substantial and meaningful. These dynamics are at play all the time on The Syndicate, and they make sense. Turnip Head was a mainstay here for years and forged friendships with our longest-tenured users. This was his first game back in a while. I don't think these two cut that return short on Night 1.

Long Con - While Rej's voting behavior may implicate Dragomir, it exonerates Long Con (in my opinion). It makes no sense for me for Long Con to be a cat. That doesn't mean it's impossible, but I have not seen a single argument in this thread which adequately accounts for this. It amounts to more tinfoil junk quite like the stuff currently getting me lynched. I know a bad case when I see one.

nutella - Despite her present stance on me, I have followed the thread of her play quite fluidly all game. Her handling of Dragomir and Rej on Day 1, sprityo and speedchuck on Day 2 -- all of that speaks to me. It maps very closely to my own mindset as the game has progressed. I doubt that someone could be so parallel to me and not be aligned with me unless it's deliberate. I don't get that impression. I also like her interactions with speedchuck.

novaselinenever - He had a great Day 1, and I don't think he has seemed inauthentic at any point. I understand the suspicion he has hurled at Dom even if I don't agree. He looks exactly like the civilian novaselinenever that we've seen throughout 2019, if only short a little activity perhaps. I also like his interactions with speedchuck.

~~~

I expect to be dead the next time I log in. If I am not, the game is not over, and there's a locked night -- I hope I am dead when it ends. It's necessary. Shoot me unless you are really confident about the last cat -- then go ahead and shoot them. I have given you folks everything I've got here, so I hope you can make some use of it. Good luck dogs.

#1510

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:06 pmIf y’all want to coordinate a tie, I think Fayt should be the other name.
Agreed.

I'm ok with this (since it would clear me or jay) but we need to set it up now.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1511

I am willing to Engage the Tie Protocol TM if I'm here at EOD and it's within my power to ensure. Only for fayt though, not drago

#1512

I'll say this much:

I don't think lynching JJJ ends this.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1513

I assume LC will be voting for fayt to make that more likely. If he does and nobody else changes, I could make it 4-4.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1514

Oh weird fayt is self voting

#1515

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:03 pm @Michelle your vote for JJJ hurts the "tied vote" plan, which is a good one.

i can't say i understood the plan but if needed i can switch accordigly to the town consensus

#1516

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:06 pmIf y’all want to coordinate a tie, I think Fayt should be the other name.
Agreed.

where is your vote?

#1517

I will be here and cast my vote (or not) accordingly. No funny business, I promise.

#1518

No reason not to put it on Fayt right now, I guess. But I don't really feel right on Fayt. JJJ is the person I have voted for before, and I'd rather be consistent in my vote, than to jump on to someone I have defended in the past.

I think a tie is still a wise goal, but maybe someone on JJJ will trade-vote me and hop over to Fayt? Just my OCD maybe, but what do ya say?

#1519

I'd say she gives up too quick and the self vote is silly tbh. Idk

#1520

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:40 pm I'd say she gives up too quick and the self vote is silly tbh. Idk

Not giving up, just going with the plan.

#1521

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:40 pm I'd say she gives up too quick and the self vote is silly tbh. Idk

WAITASECOND! Fayt can't do this, it ruins the tie. If she's a cat, she just hops off at the last second and survives.

#1522

If the lynch is JJJ and he flips villager the vig shoudl hit the one who he feels best to flip mafia, he already did a very good job.

#1523

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:34 pm No reason not to put it on Fayt right now, I guess. But I don't really feel right on Fayt. JJJ is the person I have voted for before, and I'd rather be consistent in my vote, than to jump on to someone I have defended in the past.

I think a tie is still a wise goal, but maybe someone on JJJ will trade-vote me and hop over to Fayt? Just my OCD maybe, but what do ya say?

I'll do it? Like omg we need to coordinate better.

#1524

Fayt, you gotta vote for JJJ I think. You can't vote for yourself, it's too risky.

#1525

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:42 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:40 pm I'd say she gives up too quick and the self vote is silly tbh. Idk
WAITASECOND! Fayt can't do this, it ruins the tie. If she's a cat, she just hops off at the last second and survives.

you aee right. Self voters are bad.
[VOTE: Fayt] aubergine

#1526

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

I don't think it's Jay or Fayt so I'm not voting there anymore. Leaves me with Dom, LC, and Michelle. I don't see an LC or Michelle wagon picking up, thus Dom. I do suspect him btw.

#1527

oi wtf.

#1528

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:42 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:40 pm I'd say she gives up too quick and the self vote is silly tbh. Idk
WAITASECOND! Fayt can't do this, it ruins the tie. If she's a cat, she just hops off at the last second and survives.
you aee right. Self voters are bad.
[VOTE: Fayt] aubergine

I don't agree with this logic. I've seen more townies self-vote than scum. Though, it's only when they're raging, unlike Fayt who's doing it for strategy.

#1529

Maybe Fayt could be scum and the self-vote strategy is a ploy to appear cooperative with town and doing things for the good of the town. Scum do a lot of I'm okay with my lynch if it helps town or yada yada yada.

Hmm, I don't know what to think anymore.

#1530

Michelle is giving me the heebie jeebies. I don't like her for some reason.

#1531

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:48 pm Maybe Fayt could be scum and the self-vote strategy is a ploy to appear cooperative with town and doing things for the good of the town. Scum do a lot of I'm okay with my lynch if it helps town or yada yada yada.

Hmm, I don't know what to think anymore.

There is no ploy... I agree with being lynched from the start of the phase as long we find a scum from my lynch..

#1532

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:49 pm Michelle is giving me the heebie jeebies. I don't like her for some reason.

post them if you really have them

#1533

When is Eod?

#1534

14 minutes

#1535

Fayt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:00 pm14 minutes

Do yoi have faith in that plan then? Post legacy reads

#1536

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:01 pm
Fayt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:00 pm14 minutes
Do yoi have faith in that plan then? Post legacy reads

If everyone cooperated, yeah. It would've cleared me or Jay.

#1537

No one gets cleared in a tie. A lucky dog gets protected from lynch, that's all, or a cat gets even odds.

To clear someone, we'd need to see a 5-4 vote or something, where the 4 goes down. Maybe we should do that instead.

#1538

Scratch that - no way of knowing which player the softvoter is voting for, so we wouldn't know who to give the extra vote.

No one gets cleared via this mechanic.

#1539

Late to figure it though

#1540

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:11 pm Late to figure it though

It was never about clearing... just about protecting a dog.

#1541

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:59 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:49 pm Michelle is giving me the heebie jeebies. I don't like her for some reason.
post them if you really have them

When I said "for some reason", it means I don't know what it is.

#1542

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:12 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:59 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:49 pm Michelle is giving me the heebie jeebies. I don't like her for some reason.
post them if you really have them
When I said "for some reason", it means I don't know what it is.

except you need to shade me there is no reason

#1543

Thirty seconds... will Fayt jump in with a JJJ vote?

#1544

I changed back to Jay.

#1545

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:13 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:12 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:59 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:49 pm Michelle is giving me the heebie jeebies. I don't like her for some reason.
post them if you really have them
When I said "for some reason", it means I don't know what it is.
except you need to shade me there is no reason

Ok.

#1546

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:13 pm I changed back to Jay.

Kind of a dick move... oh well, if the softvote is on Jay, then he has a chance if he's a dog.

#1547

I think Fayt is a dog.

#1548

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:09 pm Scratch that - no way of knowing which player the softvoter is voting for, so we wouldn't know who to give the extra vote.

No one gets cleared via this mechanic.

Really?

Does it say it still goes down to a tie..?

My thought was if half voted for me and half voted for JJJ. If the soft voter is on me, and JJJ gets lynched, then I thought I would be cleared as a dog and vice versa if Jay is a dog.

#1549

What is this? If a cat gets lynched, there's no need for anybody to be cleared.

#1550

No one can be mech cleared i think.

Who is the feline who is posing as a dog, anyway?