Occultism Mafia - THE END

[Mongoose]

I' do not relish having to respond to all of that (oh man), but I will. (Just not right this second because work).

[Boogs]

I don't feel convinced 100% based on MP's defense, so I'm going to vote my other suspect, BWT.

[S~V~S]

Your Stars for Sunday, July 13:

Today your moon is in the house of Aquarius~ you should be careful to avoid alcohol at all costs. Should you overindulge at a family party, you might just forget that important PM!

[S~V~S]

Your Stars for Monday, July 14:

You will have a great deal to catch up on today, and your own fault it is too. A little bird in a Hedge might demand explanations, but might have to wait for another day when you can speak your mind in more detail. But perhaps she might read a bit more closely, and seek what she finds on her own

A small furry snake killer said something a few days back that you did not understand at the time, but which may make some sense to you at this time. If so, you should act on it. In addition, a talking sock may have buddied up to you a few days ago, saying he saw your civvie game. You should follow your gut, and the lead of the mysterious INH constellation in your house of voting, and *Vote Moving Pictures*.

[insertnamehere]

I' do not relish having to respond to all of that (oh man), but I will. (Just not right this second because work).

I will, and right now at that.

[Mongoose]

I love how well SVS has taken to her challenge, despite the... Curse? I'm glad you agree about Socky because I've been second guessing myself a bit after his mega-post.

I'm actually surprised he hasn't showed up to vote yet.

[Mongoose]

I' do not relish having to respond to all of that (oh man), but I will. (Just not right this second because work).

I will, and right now at that.

Oooh. Don't tease us!

[insertnamehere]

I've played with and hosted Mongoose multiple times and I feel pretty confident that we're seeing her baddie game -- because it looks really similar to her Meat Boy game IMO.

She has 23 posts, most of which don't have much game-related content, and this actually gets her in trouble as a civvie. But there is a distinction to be made between what on-topic content she does have as a civvie early on in games and a baddie. As a baddie, she is more agreeable, and her on-topic content typically more than half consists of her adding onto thoughts contributed by other players but without any substance, like the below: Ah, the old "OT content = bad" excuse. Also, how are those posts "without substance?" It's contributing to the discussion, and nothing in those posts stood out to me as padding.

I got the impression that this was a directional poll, not a rewarding poll. I could be wrong about that, but it was the impression I got. I am unlikely to vote for someone based on their vote in that poll.

At this point, only one thing is sticking out to me, and that is Hedgie implying she would consider voting for Vomps based solely on the number of his posts. That does not sit well with me, tbh. If i had to vote this second, i might vote there, but i don't so I won't. Maybe she was just joking?

She said something similar at the start of last game (I think it was the one you modded), so it's at least consistent.

I have to agree re Vomps, I will read back before work, and see who posted actual content, and who did not. I will probably vote based on that.

Other than Hedgie, did anyone actually recommend a Vomps vote?

I did a re-skim and I don't see anything of that nature.

It's like when I "buddy up" to other players more so when I'm bad.

She also is more opinionated when she's baddie, but fails to articulate reasons for her suspicions more when she's bad (at least when she's civvie she articulates reasons, even if they confuse most people): OK, let's play "devil's" advocate. So, Mongoose is known for articulating suspicions in a confusing way. If I were her, I would hold off on "articulating" suspicions until I could form a complete coherent case.

I wonder, if divination had won out, could we have divined who the baddies are?

Grasping at straws. And just so I can beat Lizzy to the punch before she accuses me of trumped up nonsense ( ), I will admit this is not the most salient case. Hells bells, it's not even a case, but it's above random voting.

ANYWAY

Verbose mongoose is verbose

I feel like this could be Nutty trying to throw suspicion off of her own trail. Like trying to distance herself from baddies. Perhaps. Our host Jeffrey Llamer would never let it so easily be discerned.

This is a terrible case and I strongly suggest you vote elsewhere. It's Day 1 and it's all I got so far. This is the most ridiculous, overblown pseudo-case made from one statement on Day 1 ever, but I promised myself I'd not be a space cadet in this game.

Let's roll.

LA

This post just screams not genuine to me, upon re-read. Subjective.

I'm not so sure I'm down with a Boogs vote though, sug.

Is it just me or has Socky lost the plot a bit?

LIzzy, get your face in here; we need your insight, cakepop.

This is where she starts dropping my name, asking if I've "lost the plot a bit", but she never explains what that means exactly or how it makes me bad. She's been subtly pushing the thread in my direction ever since this post, and it seems she's been successful if you base it on the votes thus far. Or maybe, and stop me if I get too insane here, she noticed you acting strange in the thread, and brought you up because of that reason? But no, anyone who suspects you must be bad. You aren't about to start accusing me of being in the Illuminati, are you? Also, I couldn't care less about Mongoose saying you are "odd". You are trying to paint everyone who votes for you as children for Mongoose's pied piper, when really it's more that you: A. Voted to lynch a civvie on Day 1, B. Voted to lynch Boogs, who I am 90% sure is a civvie, on Day 2, and C. your absences from the thread match up to when the last baddie would have to be gone in order to not send in an action.

I'm not so sure I'm down with a Boogs vote though, sug.

Is it just me or has Socky lost the plot a bit?

LIzzy, get your face in here; we need your insight, cakepop.

1. Can you explain why you trust Boogs?

2. Do you have anyone you DIStrust, even a bit?

3.What are your thoughts on Hedgeowl?

I numbered them for easy reference, hope you don't mind.

1. I don't, I just don't mistrust him yet.

2. Sock. Definitely Sock.

3. She's being consistent with her motives (from past games I mean), so I can't tell yet either way.

This is her next post. She never says why she seems to trust Boogs; she actually says she doesn't, but before she said she "wasn't so keen" on a Boogs vote, which seems contradictory. No, no it isn't. This is mafia, if you trust someone 100%, you are a sucker. Just because I don't trust you, doesn't mean that I will vote for you, it just means that I distrust someone else more. But she also never explains why at all. She doesn't even say he seems sincere. She just says she doesn't mistrust him yet. This may seem nitpicky, Probably because it is nitpicky. but it's actually a key part of how Mongoose plays when she's bad.

She then says she distrusts me, definitely. Again, never explains why. See below.

I agree wholeheartedly about Hedgie. I've never seen her as driveby voter.

I need to be very careful with my words, so that's why I didn't post more last night (also my boss was hanging around foreevvvver), but I'm home now and I have a bit more time before my work is throwing me a going away party tonight!

Let's see how cogent I can be about this - I am definitely examining Boog as much as anyone else (who is such a lovely human being/cat by the way), but I was hesitant to take Sock's word for it. I found his post drumming up support for a Boogs vote to be fun and funny, but weird: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 434#p72368

I'm examining why things went down the way they did last night, but I think it could very well be Sock. I would hate to push him out so early (he died so early in last game, but at least he really was bad), but it explains a lot if he is Aleister Crowley. And yeah, specifically Crowley, not just a bad hoss in general.

This just pings the freak out of me because she says "I need to be very careful with my words", and she emphasizes she is examining Boogs as much as anyone else, but hesitant to take my word for it. My word for what? My vote is fun and funny, but weird? And AGAIN, how does this make me bad? And how is it even weird? Sure, it's in horoscope language, but I HAD to vote right that second, and I stated in the Fight Club thread and elsewhere I would be out of town from the 10th-13th, so how is it weird exactly? Or maybe, and stop me if this sounds too "incoherent" for you, but maybe she found your posts to just be odd. The wording, and phrases, all of that. Not just the curse. We've all read a post that just felt 'off' to us. Fuck, you even pointed out a quote from Mongoose that you just called "odd" with no further explanation. Maybe, after being called incoherent, and hard-to-understand, she had to choose her words and cases carefully in order to avoid making the same mistake.

All I'm getting from you is a lot of vague feelings and NO U's.

Answer: She's making shit up because she's bad.

OK, so you 100% think that she is bad. I'll come back to this later.

It would explain so much if you could elaborate on why you think that as well.

I promise I'm not being intentionally obtuse, but I gotta hold back a bit. Generally, I analyzed how Night 1 went down (no deaths) and filled in the blanks from there. There are other explanations for it, of course, so I could be very well wrong. I'm not at all "Super Sure" but am in the category of "Definitely Suspect" though.

Even without my annoyingly cryptic explanations, I think his actually thread behavior is odd. That in of itself isn't maybe ammunition for suspicion, but it's definitely eye-catching.

She refuses to explain.

My thread behavior is ODD. Again, she can't even explain what makes it odd. But she says it's "definitely eye-catching" and somehow that makes me bad, even though she never comes out and says it.

See above.

Also, she almost claims to have info, which I would believe much more than MP being good.

Then, of course, this:

I'm voting for MP.

Exhibit A: He was the second person to vote for Epig, a civvie.

Exhibit B: He voted for Boogs, and not for AP.

Exhibit C: His absence from the website matches up to Night 2. He wouldn't have a chance to send in an NK.

I would be able to look past one of these things on it's own. But, the combination of all three have convinced me to vote for him.

I can't imagine I won't vote for him as well. I woulda last vote if I hadn't been so inept about what day of the week it was. He's not been around as much, so it's hard to analyze behavior as much as I'd like, but I think he's been a bit strange this game.

Now she makes it look like she is agreeing again with someone else.

Why can't you imagine you won't vote for me, Mongoose? How about, and stop me if I'm too vague enough for you, she agrees with my analysis, and it matches with her overall feeling of unease that she receives from you.How am I strange? You still FAIL to explain how that even is the case, let alone how it makes me bad. And now, an alternate explanation. Mongoose received info on you, and you know she can't come out and say that fact. So, Mongoose is intentionally vague, and you, expecting that, pounce on her for not "explaining her suspicions".

Lest we all forget that if someone really wanted to, they could just as easily have purposefully missed their NK PM on N2 just to get me framed and lynched. The fuck? Last time I checked, no one playing was mentally disabled. That would be maybe the worst possible move. Multiple people were gone that night, not just you. But, of course, you are extremely important, and any action against you isn't because of paltry suspicions, but a grand baddie conspiracy in order to lynch you! I don't know why, but hey, why not? You're making shit up because you're bad. Get a civvie lynched, it would work. This would be the dumbest fucking idea ever, how much can I re-iterate that? And who was the only person subtly pushing the thread in my direction before N2? Mongoose. Pardon me one moment.

And let's not forget that there's other explanations for a missed NK: block, etc., although I will also admit that two failed NKs is definitely more than a bit strange.

Seriously, I will eat a hat if Mongoose is a civvie this game. I am THAT confident. Hey Elochin, I need a hat shaped cake delivered to MP pronto.

[insertnamehere]

Now I'll hold off on voting just in case someone can poke holes in this, but I'm really feeling strongly about a Mongoose vote at the moment. Let me know what you think, guys.

Well, good golly, what a reasonable man! Just because he just made a long, long case on Mongoose stating multiple times that he believes her to be bad, he's not going to vote for her just yet! What a swell guy! This certainly isn't a ploy to not be the first Mongoose voter, so that when she turns up civ, he can put the blame on the poor sap who voted for her first, no sirree! It also most definitely isn't an attempt to seem more "kind" and "civvie-esque" than Mongoose who stated that she was definitely voting MP because she thinks he's bad. What a silly reason.

[insertnamehere]

Whoops, forgot to put that last post in sarcastic orange.

[nutella]

MP seems pretty convinced about Mongoose, and his case is definitely substantial enough to make me suspect her. Not sure how I feel about INH, he's kinda confusing me. *votes mongoose*

[insertnamehere]

MP seems pretty convinced about Mongoose, and his case is definitely substantial enough to make me suspect her. Not sure how I feel about INH, he's kinda confusing me. *votes mongoose*

Maybe you should actually read my response instead of reading 2 lines and calling it 'confusing'.

[Mongoose]

Good lord Johnnie Cochran got all up in there. Thanks, man.

BTW, sorry I didn't explain this, I don't realize how many British idioms I use sometimes (I think the Australians use this one as well). It just basically means:

Used other than as an idiom: see lose,‎ plot.  [quotations ▼]
(idiomatic) To cease to behave in a consistent and/or rational manner.  [quotations ▼]
(idiomatic) To lose sight of an important objective or principle; to act contrarily to one's own interests through concentrating on relatively unimportant matters

And I don't think it's derogatory in nature or obviously I wouldn't have used it.

[Mongoose]

Late host is late.

[nijuukyugou]

All right, I've had my time to decide, re-read the thread, and think this through. I think I'm going with my original suspicion of MP. I'm not going to ignore two missed NK's that correspond with the absences, and I've felt weird along with Mongoose about MP since she mentioned it first a few days ago (regarding the Boogs vote, etc.). While MP puts up some interesting points about Mongoose, they don't overpower my feeling to vote him today.

[thellama73]

Late host is late.

I am not late. Look at the poll ending time. I said I would close the poll at 6 IF all the votes came in by then. It would not be fair to cut it off when I previously told people they had 24 hours.

[Mongoose]

Late host is late.

I am not late. Look at the poll ending time. I said I would close the poll at 6 IF all the votes came in by then. It would not be fair to cut it off when I previously told people they had 24 hours.

I'm just poking ya. But it's after 640?

[thellama73]

Late host is late.

I am not late. Look at the poll ending time. I said I would close the poll at 6 IF all the votes came in by then. It would not be fair to cut it off when I previously told people they had 24 hours.

I'm just poking ya. But it's after 640?

Check your daylight savings time settings.

[Mongoose]

Late host is late.

I am not late. Look at the poll ending time. I said I would close the poll at 6 IF all the votes came in by then. It would not be fair to cut it off when I previously told people they had 24 hours.

I'm just poking ya. But it's after 640?

Check your daylight savings time settings.

Awww poop on a parakeet.

[insertnamehere]

Late host is late.

I am not late. Look at the poll ending time. I said I would close the poll at 6 IF all the votes came in by then. It would not be fair to cut it off when I previously told people they had 24 hours.

A llama is never late, nor is he early, he posts precisely when he means to.

[Tangrowth]

INH, you will shit when you're wrong about me, and then you can eat your own sarcastic responses.

Mongoose, you STILL have posted more than a few times and yet failed to refuse how my behavior is even "weird" and how weird = baddie. Good luck getting yourself out of a lynch tomorrow.

Boogs, I just honestly thought Dom made a good point and you had struck me as possibly insincere at the time I made my post, even though they were minor, and I didn't really have those feelings about anyone else at the time. It was a pretty crappy vote, but it was either that or miss the vote. Since catching up, you've made me feel much better about you.

Honestly, I'm shocked that I've been lynched on such a weak case. The only point raised against me with any merit whatsoever is the fact that there was no NK last night and I clearly wasn't around, but that's very easily debunked regardless (I would have made the PM if I were bad; someone could be setting me up, and considering Mongoose really wanted to get me lynched, there you go).

At the end of the day, apparently I was the sacrifice that the game demanded, but I hope it will open a lot of your eyes to what's going on because Mongoose hasn't contributed any actual game-related content to suspecting me beyond saying I'm "weird", "odd", or "strange", despite what she or INH purports.

It's disappointing to get knocked out early AGAIN, but I suppose since I'll be hosting Fight Club soon and I only have four weeks left in Cincinnati, my schedule wouldn't be super great anyway. Thanks for the game, Llama!

Oh, and votes Mongoose. Who knows, maybe I still have a chance to live, but it seems incredibly, incredibly remote.

[thellama73]

Thanks for the game, Llama!

You're welcome, but there are still four missing votes and a sold 18 minutes.

[Tangrowth]

Thanks for the game, Llama!

You're welcome, but there are still four missing votes and a sold 18 minutes.

I'm not holding my breath.

[insertnamehere]

Aaaaaand he just ignored all of my points. Unfortunately for you, MP, ignoring me will not make me go away. I'm annoying like that.

[S~V~S]

Your Stars Today:

You will meet a nameless, stagheaded man whose points do not go away. You will not be annoyed, but others may be.

[Tangrowth]

I don't need to address your points. They're all based on conjecture and they're ridiculous. You refuse to address how weird = bad in all of your content. I can't fathom how you think there's any legitimate point raised against me other than the one I stated above.

I definitely don't think you're baddie though.

[Tangrowth]

I probably would go through and address all of your points individually because I like doing that, but I'm dead in 15 minutes anyway, and then you'll see that I flip civvie and shit your pants promptly.

[Tangrowth]

Frankly, I haven't been lynched on a more ridiculous premise in a long time.

[thellama73]

YOU’RE SO SQUARE

Amulets used to propel evil have an important place in the magical tradition, and one of the most powerful amulets is what is known as a Magic Square.

Pure mathematics, transcending as they do the material realm, have always been thought to have special powers. A Magic Square consists of an equal number of rows and columns filled with unique numbers, such that every row, column, and the two main diagonals, add up to the same number. (if this is confusing, PM me and I'll clarify.)

Your assignment for tonight is to populate a magic square and PM it to me. The example above is 3x3, which is easiest, but higher numbers of rows and columns will be accepted. A correctly made amulet will serve as a valuable protection.

It was too late for any such amulet to protect MovingPictures07, however.

MovingPictures07 has been lynched. He was Eliphas Levi.
You have 24 hours to submit your PMs and entries to the Magic Square assignment.

[Tangrowth]

Oh well. Good luck, civvies!

[insertnamehere]

Scratch that last order Elochin, looks like I need a feces shaped cake now.

[S~V~S]

The Stars Say:

Eliphas Levy may appear to be Aliester Crowley today, but that would be misleading. It appears that the Sock ws as he said, not evil. You may need to go back to the drawing board. Just becasue she was wrong, however, does not make Mongoose evil. Sometimes things are not what they seem, but sometimes they are.

[Boogs]

Rip MP Glad I changed my mind on you after your defenses.
Okay so SVS clearly is under a hex. I think MP voting could explain maybe his reasoning to go after Mongoose now?

[nutella]

RIP MP.

[S~V~S]

Your Stars Tonight:

The words of Boogs seem unclear to you today. Perhaps it is the fact that Jupiter is in your house of ...substances. Perhaps Boogs' meaning will become clearer when Jupiter has moved on. The constellation of the sock proving to not in the house of evil does not mean that carnivorous mammals who thought otherwise are wrong. Venus is in your cheesecake sector; avoid overindulgence.

[S~V~S]

Printing Press Horoscope error:

"The constellation of the sock proving to not BE in the house of evil does not"

[Elohcin]

AHHHH! I missed the vote. I forgot! My mom asked em to cut my sister and brother's hair and then we had an amazing japanese dinner cooked by Epi. I cannot catch up right now b/c I am going to watch Master Chef. But, I will be back after I get the kids to bed.

I am so sorry I didn't come back to help save you MP. Llama, go easy on me, k!

[Boogs]

SVS do you think the horoscopes see that the one with wings is in evil demon summoning ways? Lol

[S~V~S]

The Stars Today:

People will say things to you, will ask you questions. You might need to try harder to understand what they want~ Neptune is in your communication sector, and this fucks you up totally. Unless the queriers clarify their queries, you may not be able to adequately answer them until Neptune has moved on.

[birdwithteeth11]

Well shucks! I missed the vote! Sorry about that! I was off work today, and spent a longer amount of time hanging out with friends than I had thought I was going to. I figured I would be home in time to vote, but that wasn't the case unfortunately. Honestly, MP's case was enough that I'm going to take a look at Mongoose for tomorrow's vote. I want to read up on some other things myself though.

[Mongoose]

Oh boy.

This is going to be a tight one to wriggle out of. Hell, I'd vote me if I was in your shoes. I didn't have info, but I had reasons to suspect him.

Sorry mate.

[Mongoose]

Good luck getting yourself out of a lynch tomorrow.

You ain't kidding, buster. Hope you are enjoying your trip and this doesn't taint it!!

[nijuukyugou]

Damn. Sorry, MP

[Dom]

I'm sorry guys. I told you all I was very ill, and I'm now being treated-- but the medicine makes me very drowsy. I fell asleep at my laptop when I got home from work and woke up at 3 AM
I would have likely voted MP :/ Sorry buddy.

[S~V~S]

Oh boy.

This is going to be a tight one to wriggle out of. Hell, I'd vote me if I was in your shoes. I didn't have info, but I had reasons to suspect him.

Sorry mate.

Mongooses Stars, Day 4:

With Pluto (Jeanne Dixon rocks it old school, once a planet, always a planet) in your house of Violence, there may be danger ahead for you, but there does not have to be. If your adversaries have Venus in their house of Suspicion, they might see that a lone baddie Mongoose would not be likely to make bold statements. The upcoming influence of the Weasel constellation might also lead them to see how you may have jumped to the conclusion that you did.

[thellama73]

I've got a work happy hour tonight, so if you all could get your PMs in early so I can end the night beforehand, I would sure appreciate it.

[Marmot]

Oops, I just kind of assumed this phase was going to be 48 hours like the last two. Sorry everyone.

[Hedgeowl]

SVS you dont think people should vote Mongoose based on her wrong assumption of MP. Do you have someone else you suspect, besides me? If the MP vs. Mongoose thing was civ - civ than what about their voters?

[S~V~S]

Eenie Meenie Jelly Beanie, the Astrologer is about to speak!!


"Having consulted SVS' chart, the portents of the planets aligning with the Dog Star lead me to the conclusion that regardless of what SVS says regarding the queries of the cute l'il owl, the cute l'il owl will find a reason to not believe it. The signs indicate that some time after the end of the night, the time will be propitious for such an attempt."

[Mongoose]

Oh boy.

This is going to be a tight one to wriggle out of. Hell, I'd vote me if I was in your shoes. I didn't have info, but I had reasons to suspect him.

Sorry mate.

Mongooses Stars, Day 4:

With Pluto (Jeanne Dixon rocks it old school, once a planet, always a planet) in your house of Violence, there may be danger ahead for you, but there does not have to be. If your adversaries have Venus in their house of Suspicion, they might see that a lone baddie Mongoose would not be likely to make bold statements. The upcoming influence of the Weasel constellation might also lead them to see how you may have jumped to the conclusion that you did.

That is very true. All will be revealed eventually. I'd be way lower on the radar if I was the remaining baddie on a team. Just don't jump to a Mongoose vote too easily, because you will be sad again and two wrongs don't make a right and other trite adages.