MAD MAX: GAME OVER

#3041

Dom wrote:If Sloonei and our civvie Savior are going to be this obtuse, then, yes lynch me because it won't matter what I say.

I'm doing the best I can to figure this out. I haven't condemned you. I'm exploring every option. I have placed about 20 votes this phase. Spare me this sarcastic crap and help me out here if I'm wrong.

#3042

Dom wrote:If Sloonei and our civvie Savior are going to be this obtuse, then, yes lynch me because it won't matter what I say.

To quote insertnamehere: What do you want from me? I honestly have no idea what you think I am being obtuse about and you're not helping me figure it out.

#3043

Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Dom, I honestly have no idea what question you want me to answer. I answered your question of who I'd vote for. Then I voted for two other people. I've made a lot of posts sharing all of my thoughts on everyone in this game today. Look at them.
Your answer was "anyone else"
That's not an answer.

Yes it is. I am and have been keeping an open mind. If it helps, when you asked the question, I was voting for Glorfindel. Then I voted for DrWilgy. Then I voted for Epi. Now you're begging me to vote for you.

Why does my answer to this question matter so much to you?

#3044

To explain my Epi view Sloonei - it reminds me alot of Lost... I think it was lost at least. Towards the end of the game it came down to Epi, I and afew others. That game, like this one, I read Epi as bad, but in that game he ended up being civ.

The tldr is I tone read bad Epi, but last time I tone read bad Epi I was wrong.

#3045

I have some concern that we might be too willing to adopt a "bad Epignosis" mindset purely because of his posts, meaning we're too quick to discard everything Zebra put in the thread due to recency bias.

#3046

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:My top suspect died.
Reads on others, please.

Dom wrote:LOL ok
The game might be on the line, so if I'm wrong you'd be well advised to avoid this sort of pointless eyerolling.

I HAVE LITERALLY SAID WHO ELSE I SUSPECT THIS DAY PHASE WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME

#3047

DrWilgy wrote:To explain my Epi view Sloonei - it reminds me alot of Lost... I think it was lost at least. Towards the end of the game it came down to Epi, I and afew others. That game, like this one, I read Epi as bad, but in that game he ended up being civ.

The tldr is I tone read bad Epi, but last time I tone read bad Epi I was wrong.

This is far. I am also tone reading him as bad from his treatment of me last night. Not so much his initial suspicion of me, but in his responses when I started to express suspicion of him. His response to everything amounted to little more than an eye roll without any actual response. I feel like a town Epi would have been more open and responsive. For what it's worth I've started feeling better about you and worse about him over the last couple hours.

The reason I asked is because Epi and I have been about as opposed to each other today as you and I have. I was curious how you felt about that dynamic.

#3048

EBWOP: This is fair, not far.

#3049

Dom wrote:WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME

#3050

Dom wrote:I HAVE LITERALLY SAID WHO ELSE I SUSPECT THIS DAY PHASE WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME

Reads. Not all reads are "suspects". Who are your top town reads, for example? I only see Quin as your non-Sloonei prominent suspect, do you have others?

I don't have a photographic memory to recall every post you've made.

#3051

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have some concern that we might be too willing to adopt a "bad Epignosis" mindset purely because of his posts, meaning we're too quick to discard everything Zebra put in the thread due to recency bias.

True. I'd nearly forgotten he replaced her, tbh.

#3052

Sloonei wrote:
Dom wrote:WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME

Spoiler: show

#3053

Dom, could you let me know what some of your baddie games have been here? I can't remember any examples of you being bad in games I've played.

#3054

motel room, what are your thoughts on any of the continuing dialogue?

#3055

To weigh in on the Sloonei opposers - I think town Sloonei asks questions, scum Sloonei asks questions in defence. With that quote about Wilgy looking bad if INH was town, I'm not reading that as bad because I thought the exact same thing but didn't write it in the thread. It was very possible that Wilgy's flip flopping vote was his uncertainty with how to drop the hammer knowing the outcome.

And this thing of him asking Epi who his next suspect is, I don't get why that's suss. It seems like the ploy , if Sloonei were bad, would be "frame job" but later on Epi reckons frame jobs never work out.

I don't think he's scum.

woah, ton of "linki" (i still dont know what that stands for)

#3056

To answer Dom's question about what is wanted from him: Cooperation. Help us.

#3057

Moved to Sweet Dom

#3058

Motel room, you realize the alternate vote form me during that flip flop was a no lynch right?

Linki - that gives me leeway to vote Dom. I'm in.

#3059

DrWilgy wrote:Motel room, you realize the alternate vote form me during that flip flop was a no lynch right?

Linki - that gives me leeway to vote Dom. I'm in.

Yeah but you put it there. You tied it.

#3060

Epignosis: I'd really like to know what you think of Dom.

#3061

motel room wrote:Moved to Sweet Dom

Why?

#3062

motel room wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Motel room, you realize the alternate vote form me during that flip flop was a no lynch right?

Linki - that gives me leeway to vote Dom. I'm in.
Yeah but you put it there. You tied it.

?

I'm not sure what you mean by me tieing it. I did the opposite.

#3063

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:I HAVE LITERALLY SAID WHO ELSE I SUSPECT THIS DAY PHASE WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME
Reads. Not all reads are "suspects". Who are your top town reads, for example? I only see Quin as your non-Sloonei prominent suspect, do you have others?

I don't have a photographic memory to recall every post you've made.

I'd think if you're looking to vote me you'd look at my posts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Dom, could you let me know what some of your baddie games have been here? I can't remember any examples of you being bad in games I've played.

A World Reborn
Star Wars
Arkham

Most of the games in the last year.

motel room wrote:Moved to Sweet Dom

Who are you and why are you voting for me

#3064

Dom wrote:I'd think if you're looking to vote me you'd look at my posts.

To quote you:

"Are you going to answer my damned question?"

#3065

Dom - civ
Epi - lean civ
Glorf - bad
Inh - civ
JJJ - civ
LoRab - lean bad
Motel - was civ, voitng for me after never mentioning me is :supsish:
Quin - null
Scotty - civ
Sloonei - bad

#3066

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:I'd think if you're looking to vote me you'd look at my posts.
To quote you:

"Are you going to answer my damned question?"

Working on it.

#3067

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
motel room wrote:Moved to Sweet Dom
Why?

Everyone seems to think he's bad now. I want to see who follows through.

#3068

Dom wrote:Dom - civ
Epi - lean civ
Glorf - bad
Inh - civ
JJJ - civ
LoRab - lean bad
Motel - was civ, voitng for me after never mentioning me is :supsish:
Quin - null
Scotty - civ
Sloonei - bad

I thought you didnt even know who I was?

#3069

Dom, I made this post primarily for you. Have you looked at it yet?

Spoiler: show

#3070

lol in Star Wars baddie Dom went hard after town MP. :P

#3071

Quin now that you are no longer defending your dear Sloon, why are you still voting for me?

#3072

Dom wrote:Dom - civ
Epi - lean civ
Glorf - bad
Inh - civ
JJJ - civ
LoRab - lean bad
Motel - was civ, voitng for me after never mentioning me is :supsish:
Quin - null
Scotty - civ
Sloonei - bad

I assume wilgy is bad.
Also you can't give a null GTH read, it's officially against the official rules.

#3073

motel room wrote:
Dom wrote:Dom - civ
Epi - lean civ
Glorf - bad
Inh - civ
JJJ - civ
LoRab - lean bad
Motel - was civ, voitng for me after never mentioning me is :supsish:
Quin - null
Scotty - civ
Sloonei - bad
I thought you didnt even know who I was?

that was a joke

Sloonei wrote:Dom, I made this post primarily for you. Have you looked at it yet?
Spoiler: show
Sloonei wrote:And I also need to address the idea that my "Who are you gonna vote for?" question was some sort of far-fetched framing scheme of mine. Here's the original post, right at the start of Day 6:
Sloonei wrote:Epi, who you gonna vote for now that Mr Mac is dead?

Quin, who's your supposed 3 person scum team?
Note the second question addressed to Quin. This is just a light conversation-starter type of post. I'm just peppering the two players I can see in the thread with standard mafia questions. These are really the same question: "Who are your suspects?" But, as I am a player who asks a ton of questions in this game, I get bored of typing the same words over and over and over and over again, so sometimes I like to spice it up! I throw whole new, colorful sets of words at people! One way that I like to do this is to ask people "Who they're voting for" instead "who they suspect". Don't believe me? Here's some more examples from this game:

Sloonei wrote:Who are you gonna vote for, Mr Quin?
link

Sloonei wrote:
motel room wrote:righty-o
who you gonna vote for, champ?
link

Sloonei wrote:Who do you want to vote for, mac?
link (admittedly the context is a little different on this one)

Sloonei wrote:Who you gonna vote for, Dom?
link

You didn't ask any of those immediately after their top suspect died.

Sloonei wrote:
Dom wrote:Dom - civ
Epi - lean civ
Glorf - bad
Inh - civ
JJJ - civ
LoRab - lean bad
Motel - was civ, voitng for me after never mentioning me is :supsish:
Quin - null
Scotty - civ
Sloonei - bad
I assume wilgy is bad.
Also you can't give a null GTH read, it's officially against the official rules.

Yeah. I copied and pasted from Wilgy's and forgot to add him.

I've seen others do it. I also don't care about your rules.

#3074

Because I've spent the past half hour doing this, Wilgy.

Wilgy, you spent most of Days 1-4 arguing that LoRab was bad.

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy wrote:It's simple my dear Sloon!

LoRab wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Glad Epi is dead. I was gut feeling him as bad and this makes my life easier.

Someone tl;dr me for day/night 1.
So, a civ is very likely dead and you are glad about it? Hrm.
First LoRab draws attention to me and does nothing with it. Especially when the LoRab ignores my questioning of the attention draw as seen below:
DrWilgy wrote:@Sloonei I gut read you as bad from me due to a feeling of dancing around the pizza last night. A forced non-grasping of the Rico situation. This is heavily dependent upon other's alignements though.

@Sprityo I gut read you due to your request of wishing to team with Mac following mine.

@Lorab, yes that is what I stated. Your point?
After this, LoRab jumps at the fact that She called me out for expressing happiness at a successful kill (see below)
LoRab wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Omoshiroi desu ne?
Is LoRab still bad?
Yes. Rico's alignment in my head was more based on Lorab. Lorab is still bad tho.
Except that I'm not. If you care to say why you think I'm bad, please do. Thus far, your reasoning for suspecting me was based on my voting not for Ricoh to swing the pendulum away from him--we now know that he was neutral and didn't have a team. So....why do you think I'm bad?

Is it because I called you out for expressing happiness that the mafia had a successful kill?
The above still wasn't responded to. What was the point of calling it out? was it alignment telling? and how so? The questions still stands "Your point?"

LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Glad Epi is dead. I was gut feeling him as bad and this makes my life easier.

Someone tl;dr me for day/night 1.
So, a civ is very likely dead and you are glad about it? Hrm.
His post caught my attention as well. Did I make a mistake letting it go based on the fact that it came from Wilgy? I don't think so.

Sloonei mentioned in a post that you were pinged by 3J's roleplay earlier, LoRab. Can you elaborate on why? Was there a reason to suspect him for it in this specific case, or is it based on principle?
Based on principle. That's a behavior that always pings my suspiciometer. However, he's had high content and has broken character enough at this point and I don't suspect him. At least not currently.
And then... Finally points out the subject of me being bad, while still not acknowledging my question. Only brought it back up to attention because Quin did. Why ignore my question if you really thought I was bad LoRab?

And that's it for what LoRab has stated to highten my suspicions. Below is what LoRab has done, and LoRabs response to my vote yesterday.
LoRab wrote:Thanks for birthday wishes!!

Spoiler: show
DrWilgy wrote:Why Rico and Lorab are most likely bad together: Rico had the lead for way too long without another vote dropping on him. Lorabs vote had way too much momentum swinging the other way as well.

Time for me to catch up now.

Linki: there it is.
Except not. Also, it may be because I had several drinks, but I'm not even sure I get what you're saying. Regardless, I'm not bad. Also, now knowing the lynch result, not rico'a teammate

I still stand by the fact LoRab's vote held too much momentum, for someone who didn't seem to know who they wanted to vote for fully at the time especially. The icing on the cake is the colored. Why did that need to be mentioned? If LoRab was truly civ I don't think the thought of "I don't know Rico's outcome" would've been broadcasted, as it's a background natural thought of a civ.

And that's why I think LoRab is bad. If you have no more questions please take a pamphlet on your way out

Spoiler: show

Then you suddenly turned around and suggested you civ her and that your own case wasn't enough 'evidence' to vote her.

Spoiler: show

I'm not seeing the posts in your history to explain your changing train of thought. At what point exactly did your opinion change? Why? Your posts reflect that she was likely your top scum read.

#3075

I took a look at Eloh's iso and found that LoRab is most likely not a teammate. Let me find the quote were I pointed this out Quin.

#3076

DrWilgy wrote:
motel room wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Motel room, you realize the alternate vote form me during that flip flop was a no lynch right?

Linki - that gives me leeway to vote Dom. I'm in.
Yeah but you put it there. You tied it.
?

I'm not sure what you mean by me tieing it. I did the opposite.

I need to double check the way it played out, all I know is I felt the same way as Sloonei.

#3077

Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Dom, I made this post primarily for you. Have you looked at it yet?
Spoiler: show
Sloonei wrote:And I also need to address the idea that my "Who are you gonna vote for?" question was some sort of far-fetched framing scheme of mine. Here's the original post, right at the start of Day 6:
Sloonei wrote:Epi, who you gonna vote for now that Mr Mac is dead?

Quin, who's your supposed 3 person scum team?
Note the second question addressed to Quin. This is just a light conversation-starter type of post. I'm just peppering the two players I can see in the thread with standard mafia questions. These are really the same question: "Who are your suspects?" But, as I am a player who asks a ton of questions in this game, I get bored of typing the same words over and over and over and over again, so sometimes I like to spice it up! I throw whole new, colorful sets of words at people! One way that I like to do this is to ask people "Who they're voting for" instead "who they suspect". Don't believe me? Here's some more examples from this game:

Sloonei wrote:Who are you gonna vote for, Mr Quin?
link

Sloonei wrote:
motel room wrote:righty-o
who you gonna vote for, champ?
link

Sloonei wrote:Who do you want to vote for, mac?
link (admittedly the context is a little different on this one)

Sloonei wrote:Who you gonna vote for, Dom?
link
You didn't ask any of those immediately after their top suspect died.

So what? I am genuinely lost. I don't want to distract from everything else that's going on, but if you could, can you lay out your case against me? I know you feel like it's obvious, but maybe I'm just dense. I genuinely have no idea what is going on in your head with regards to me right now.

#3078

DrWilgy wrote:Elo analyzed
Elohcin wrote:
LoRab wrote:Epi expressed suspicion of Elo earlier, which interests me because they read each other well. Would love for him to elaborate on his thoughts.
I seriously thought his actions were a joke or trying to get a rise out of me or something. I think my reaction was what would determine his thoughts of me. Too bad I had to react after midnight after several drinks (when I don't drink often at all). It probably is what started me off on the wrong track for this game.
No longer super suspicious of the LoRab.

#3079

What do people who are here think of Dom's presence in this thread right now?

#3080

Sloonei wrote:What do people who are here think of Dom's presence in this thread right now?

Combative but can be talked into cooperation. I can see a townie or a baddie; what I can't see is a better place to move my vote to.

If I have any reservations, it's that the kind of snide "civvie savior" remark seems to come from townies I'm wrong about more than baddies I'm right about (or so I remember it without any actual data in front of me). Very small point though.

#3081

@Sloonei I want him to be bad more so than I feel that he is bad. It is causing my ability to read his reaction to his recent wagon clearly.

Part of me wants to think it's similar to when I caught him last time, but again I want him to be bad and it's skewing my read.

#3082

DrWilgy wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Elo analyzed
Elohcin wrote:
LoRab wrote:Epi expressed suspicion of Elo earlier, which interests me because they read each other well. Would love for him to elaborate on his thoughts.
I seriously thought his actions were a joke or trying to get a rise out of me or something. I think my reaction was what would determine his thoughts of me. Too bad I had to react after midnight after several drinks (when I don't drink often at all). It probably is what started me off on the wrong track for this game.
No longer super suspicious of the LoRab.

Is that interaction really enough for you to discard four days worth of posts against her?

linki: On my quick read through before I started reading into Wilgy he just appeared frustrated. Which is a word that hasn't had a very predictable meaning in this game.

#3083

Sloonei wrote:
Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Dom, I made this post primarily for you. Have you looked at it yet?
Spoiler: show
Sloonei wrote:And I also need to address the idea that my "Who are you gonna vote for?" question was some sort of far-fetched framing scheme of mine. Here's the original post, right at the start of Day 6:
Sloonei wrote:Epi, who you gonna vote for now that Mr Mac is dead?

Quin, who's your supposed 3 person scum team?
Note the second question addressed to Quin. This is just a light conversation-starter type of post. I'm just peppering the two players I can see in the thread with standard mafia questions. These are really the same question: "Who are your suspects?" But, as I am a player who asks a ton of questions in this game, I get bored of typing the same words over and over and over and over again, so sometimes I like to spice it up! I throw whole new, colorful sets of words at people! One way that I like to do this is to ask people "Who they're voting for" instead "who they suspect". Don't believe me? Here's some more examples from this game:

Sloonei wrote:Who are you gonna vote for, Mr Quin?
link

Sloonei wrote:
motel room wrote:righty-o
who you gonna vote for, champ?
link

Sloonei wrote:Who do you want to vote for, mac?
link (admittedly the context is a little different on this one)

Sloonei wrote:Who you gonna vote for, Dom?
link
You didn't ask any of those immediately after their top suspect died.
So what? I am genuinely lost. I don't want to distract from everything else that's going on, but if you could, can you lay out your case against me? I know you feel like it's obvious, but maybe I'm just dense. I genuinely have no idea what is going on in your head with regards to me right now.

I think you tried to set Epi up for an easy lynch.
Epi and I lay out arguments against Mac. Epi was more vocal.
Mac is night killed.
Minutes later you come in, "HEY EPI WHO YA VOTING FOR NOW HUH HUH HUH?!"
It reeks. You evaded my questioning on the matter and you then contradicted yourself in your answers. "Glorfindel 'til I die" you say? Or change your vote like 4 times. You have zero principle and seem only interested in lynching someone, not a baddie.

#3084

DrWilgy wrote:Part of me wants to think it's similar to when I caught him last time, but again I want him to be bad and it's skewing my read.

When did you catch him last time?

#3085

If we isolate today into a vacuum, Epi is the most suspicious player in this game. Glorfindel's and Scotty's absence is unfortunate but I can't hold either of those things against them. I think Dom looks frustrated and understandably flustered right now, but neither of those things give me a strong indication of any alignment.
Wilgy has actually looked pretty good today, IMO.

#3086

DrWilgy wrote:@Sloonei I want him to be bad more so than I feel that he is bad. It is causing my ability to read his reaction to his recent wagon clearly.

Part of me wants to think it's similar to when I caught him last time, but again I want him to be bad and it's skewing my read.

because i don't remember-- when did you catch me last time?

#3087

I do not understand why Dom is connecting open-mindedness with lack of scum hunting.

#3088

I think the lynches I'd currently approve of are Dom or Glorfindel.

#3089

Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Elo analyzed
Elohcin wrote:
LoRab wrote:Epi expressed suspicion of Elo earlier, which interests me because they read each other well. Would love for him to elaborate on his thoughts.
I seriously thought his actions were a joke or trying to get a rise out of me or something. I think my reaction was what would determine his thoughts of me. Too bad I had to react after midnight after several drinks (when I don't drink often at all). It probably is what started me off on the wrong track for this game.
No longer super suspicious of the LoRab.
Is that interaction really enough for you to discard four days worth of posts against her?

linki: On my quick read through before I started reading into Wilgy he just appeared frustrated. Which is a word that hasn't had a very predictable meaning in this game.

Hard evidence of alignment is worth changing views. If I begin to doubt my read on LoRab again, I can reference my old suspicion, but until then, Eloh is the hardest evidence we have.

Linki - I don't remember the game, but Dom was bad and I caught him through him repeating something I had already asked. I think LoRab was the question receiver. I'll need to find the game.

#3090

DrWilgy wrote:
Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Elo analyzed
Elohcin wrote:
LoRab wrote:Epi expressed suspicion of Elo earlier, which interests me because they read each other well. Would love for him to elaborate on his thoughts.
I seriously thought his actions were a joke or trying to get a rise out of me or something. I think my reaction was what would determine his thoughts of me. Too bad I had to react after midnight after several drinks (when I don't drink often at all). It probably is what started me off on the wrong track for this game.
No longer super suspicious of the LoRab.
Is that interaction really enough for you to discard four days worth of posts against her?

linki: On my quick read through before I started reading into Wilgy he just appeared frustrated. Which is a word that hasn't had a very predictable meaning in this game.
Hard evidence of alignment is worth changing views. If I begin to doubt my read on LoRab again, I can reference my old suspicion, but until then, Eloh is the hardest evidence we have.

Linki - I don't remember the game, but Dom was bad and I caught him through him repeating something I had already asked. I think LoRab was the question receiver. I'll need to find the game.

Where is this hard evidence? All I see is an accusation based on Epi's ability to read Elo well and a joke post.

Who squashed LoRab?