Mountain Mafia [END]

[Epignosis]

but now that I have to explain the premise of the joke it just seems kind of mean spirited. Sorry Marmot, love you.

epig, the only reason I welcomed JJJ was so I could make fun of Marmots spelling mistake. I love making fun of people's spelling mistakes, it's like my favorite thing.

I made the malakim??? Post cus I'd never met or heard of malakim before on this website

*Marmot's

*mistakes; it's

Uh oh, who invited famous Victorian Era English writer and social critic Charles Dickens to play mafia with us and what did he do with our dear friend Epignosis?

Charles Dickens had a lot of sex.

So does Epignosis.

With whom?

[colonialbob]

Again, that's fine. I obviously disagree with you, because I'm town, but that's fine. All I want is for the case to be made on facts, not falsehoods. That's all I was trying to correct nutella on.

[colonialbob]

Question for Sloonei: if you think JJJ told his teammates to bus him D3, doesn't every suspicion of JJJ expressed D3 instantly become worthless because it's potential bussing?

Second: if all his teammates were bussing him why were there so many Wilgy and Speed votes until very late in the phase?

[Sloonei]

Again, that's fine. I obviously disagree with you, because I'm town, but that's fine. All I want is for the case to be made on facts, not falsehoods. That's all I was trying to correct nutella on.

why did you vote for speedchuck, or how did your read of Jay progress throughout the day?

[Sloonei]

Question for Sloonei: if you think JJJ told his teammates to bus him D3, doesn't every suspicion of JJJ expressed D3 instantly become worthless because it's potential bussing?

Nope. It's our job as responsible townies to suss out the honest suspicions from the false ones.

Second: if all his teammates were bussing him why were there so many Wilgy and Speed votes until very late in the phase?

Townies can be uncertain, or wrong, or vote for mafia members not called JaggedJimmyJay. And it's possible not all of his teammates were on the bus.

[Sloonei]

Again, that's fine. I obviously disagree with you, because I'm town, but that's fine. All I want is for the case to be made on facts, not falsehoods. That's all I was trying to correct nutella on.

why did you vote for speedchuck, or how did your read of Jay progress throughout the day?

or is supposed to say and. I want answers to both things, not one or the other.

[colonialbob]

Again, that's fine. I obviously disagree with you, because I'm town, but that's fine. All I want is for the case to be made on facts, not falsehoods. That's all I was trying to correct nutella on.

why did you vote for speedchuck, or how did your read of Jay progress throughout the day?

I votes for speedchuck because he was my biggest scum read. As the day went along, I bought into the JJJ case you and Epi laid out. So speedchuck and JJJ were my top scumreads. But then I looked at the trains and I was on a train with Kyle (somebody I didn't trust, see my first vote), Jack (somebody I didn't trust, see my history), Mal (somebody who was a pretty common scumread), and Eloh and LC (two players I wasn't suspicious of but also didn't have a solid town read on). Meanwhile JJJ had my three strongest town reads (nutella, you, epignosis). I decided I'd rather be with my town reads than my scumreads, considering that independent of other viewpoints he was second on my suspicion list.

[Sloonei]

"Player x is/was my strongest scum read" is not an adequate answer for me. All that does is reaffirm that your suspicion exists. I'm asking you to give me reasons why speedchuck was your strongest scum read, especially relative to Jay.

[colonialbob]

"Player x is/was my strongest scum read" is not an adequate answer for me. All that does is reaffirm that your suspicion exists. I'm asking you to give me reasons why speedchuck was your strongest scum read, especially relative to Jay.

I believe I talked about him, should've seen that in your ISO. Sorry for being a little snarky but I'm headed to bed and not in the mood to relitigate a case against somebody I no longer have strong suspicions about. And the frustrating thing is I'm pretty sure you're town so it's frustrating that you can't find me so we can go catch bad guys together. So we can revisit this tomorrow when I have more energy.

[Sloonei]

Apologies, but I was only looking for your posts regarding Jay in that ISO. However, my questions are here are meant to be about why you specifically vote for speedchuck rather than Jay, because from what I saw you had every reason to vote for Jay but only ended up moving to him because you preferred the voters against him to the voters against speedchuck. I want to know how your thoughts developed during the day phase, if that helps.

[Jackofhearts2005]

How about Dom? He's a great lynch, am I right?

If the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.

No hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.

Sloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.

What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."

This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.

Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.

That screams "scumbuddies" to me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?

According to himself he was one of the main forces in restarting the Jay lynch.

Dubious and borderline irrelevant given my concern that Jay was primed for a bus.
where has he made this bold claim?

I doubt the realism of your theory when there were two players with 3-5 votes each and Jay was lagging at third place.

Why bussing him at all?

Strongly agreed.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't care what you'll all say about that "mislynch" episode, but the fact is: Epi's post was all about lynching him (sure, mislynch was implied, but even EPI who is sure of his own towniness didn't use that word....), LC responded by using "lynch" too, because LC believes Epi would be a lynching not a mislynch. If Jack really believed Epi was scum, then lynching him wouldn't be a mislynch.

... Jack has a lot of other question marks around him. ...

Quin seems town.

Epi's accusation was not that LC was trying to lynch him and he'd flip scum. His accusation was that LC was trying to mislynch him. Also, I use this word as a townie when talking about other people.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 59#p370259
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 46#p335046
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 59#p339059

Fake.


What other question marks?


No, Quin seems incredibly bad. Why do you think he looks good?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I wanna do cbob and Jack before I go to sleep.

That's what she said.

[Quin]

I might be biased but I think I look town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

you know what I like this night phase, Jack hasn't shut up. This is a good thing.

It's the weekend.

[Sloonei]

A janitor in this game. Very interesting.

Though I suspect the Martian is involved with that. Too many secrets.

Going to bed now, will poke back after some sleep.

The surprise and unawareness of the nightkill mechanics in this game malakim displayed here appear genuine and believable to me. I think he's a townie who believed for a fleeting moment that we had a janitor in this game, or that the nightkill was carried out by Olympus Mons. If he was scum he would have been clued into their target and would presumably be aware of his team's full complement of abilities.

[Sloonei]

I might be biased but I think I look town.

I'm also biased, but Epi looks more town.

[Sloonei]

How about Dom? He's a great lynch, am I right?

If the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.

No hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.

Sloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.

What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."

This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.

Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.

That screams "scumbuddies" to me.

I agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.

[Quin]

How about Dom? He's a great lynch, am I right?

If the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.

No hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.

Sloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.

What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."

This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.

Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.

That screams "scumbuddies" to me.

I agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.

I don't think Wilgy is bad. He seemed like a genuine lynch target of 3J's. I think he was the first to give Wilgy serious attention which is already unnecessary if they're teammates. His posts don't appear as if he ever let Wilgy off the hook, either; there are various prods, a GTH bad read and an ISO.

That Wilgy ISO was one of four he did at the time. He also did ISO's of speedchuck, colonialbob and malakim. He gives a definitive read on all of them, except for malakim. That's a bad look. If they're teammates, 3J's ISO gives him some leverage to not vote for malakim if he ever became a top lynch candidate. He doesn't discuss malakim after the ISO except to say he wouldn't vote for him today and that he looked good in legacy.

I looked at his ISO's outside of that time period. He also neglects a read on Eloh at the end of her ISO, but he was already on her at the time and didn't let up after. I don't think he'd consciously or unconsciously leave out conclusions on 2 teammates ISO's, so my thought process has taken a hit. If one of them is more likely to be bad based on this, it's malakim.

[Jackofhearts2005]

How about Dom? He's a great lynch, am I right?

If the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.

No hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.

Sloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.

What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."

This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.

Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.

That screams "scumbuddies" to me.

I agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.

Why do you disagree?

Why was Jimmy after Mesk so hard if a townie Mal lynch would have been just as good for him?

[Sloonei]

How about Dom? He's a great lynch, am I right?

If the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.

No hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.

Sloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.

What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."

This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.

Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.

That screams "scumbuddies" to me.

I agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.

Why do you disagree?

Why was Jimmy after Mesk so hard if a townie Mal lynch would have been just as good for him?

I just gave one of my reasons for reading Mal as town in the first of my three consecutive posts above.

I think you're exaggerating Jay's role in the Mesk lynch. I could be misremembering, but as I recall he was largely a follower on the bandwagon. He said more about Mesk than others, but only because we were making him talk the most. He seized the Mesk wagon because it existed. He was saving himself, not Dom.

[Sloonei]

How about Dom? He's a great lynch, am I right?

If the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.

No hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.

Sloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.

What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."

This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.

Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.

That screams "scumbuddies" to me.

I agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.

I don't think Wilgy is bad. He seemed like a genuine lynch target of 3J's. I think he was the first to give Wilgy serious attention which is already unnecessary if they're teammates. His posts don't appear as if he ever let Wilgy off the hook, either; there are various prods, a GTH bad read and an ISO.

That Wilgy ISO was one of four he did at the time. He also did ISO's of speedchuck, colonialbob and malakim. He gives a definitive read on all of them, except for malakim. That's a bad look. If they're teammates, 3J's ISO gives him some leverage to not vote for malakim if he ever became a top lynch candidate. He doesn't discuss malakim after the ISO except to say he wouldn't vote for him today and that he looked good in legacy.

I looked at his ISO's outside of that time period. He also neglects a read on Eloh at the end of her ISO, but he was already on her at the time and didn't let up after. I don't think he'd consciously or unconsciously leave out conclusions on 2 teammates ISO's, so my thought process has taken a hit. If one of them is more likely to be bad based on this, it's malakim.

did you read the two ginormous posts I made tonight? or at least skim them?

[Sloonei]

How about Dom? He's a great lynch, am I right?

If the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.

No hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.

Sloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.

What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."

This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.

Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.

That screams "scumbuddies" to me.

I agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.

I don't think Wilgy is bad. He seemed like a genuine lynch target of 3J's. I think he was the first to give Wilgy serious attention which is already unnecessary if they're teammates. His posts don't appear as if he ever let Wilgy off the hook, either; there are various prods, a GTH bad read and an ISO.

That Wilgy ISO was one of four he did at the time. He also did ISO's of speedchuck, colonialbob and malakim. He gives a definitive read on all of them, except for malakim. That's a bad look. If they're teammates, 3J's ISO gives him some leverage to not vote for malakim if he ever became a top lynch candidate. He doesn't discuss malakim after the ISO except to say he wouldn't vote for him today and that he looked good in legacy.

I looked at his ISO's outside of that time period. He also neglects a read on Eloh at the end of her ISO, but he was already on her at the time and didn't let up after. I don't think he'd consciously or unconsciously leave out conclusions on 2 teammates ISO's, so my thought process has taken a hit. If one of them is more likely to be bad based on this, it's malakim.

did you read the two ginormous posts I made tonight? or at least skim them?

[Quin]

No.

[Quin]

I will, but I haven't had much interest in this game today. And I'm walking out the door to go out right now.

[Sloonei]

No.

I explained my suspects in way too much detail there, but I also largely ignored Jay's Day 4 ISOs because I'm viewing them as pure, unfiltered wifom. I did make the same observation as you that wilgy was the only target who he offered a definitive read on, though. I would expect Jay to want to bus a teammate or two, and I would likewise expect a teammate or two to want to bus Jay.
colonialbob's interactions fit this model best of anyone, in my opinion. They sort of hovered around one another on Days 2 & 3, without ever really delivering any criticism of one another. Jay labeled bob as "not a town read" after I came up with my initial Bob case, but that suspicion fell completely off the map afterwards. Until Day 4, when suddenly bob was apparently highly confident in Jay's badness; confident enough to attack another player (DDL) for appearing to defend Jay, but somehow not confident enough to vote for him on his own. Jay, meanwhile, offered an ISO that was far more critical of bob than he had been prior and even made one point in particular that was directly opposed to a stance he had taken earlier in the game, when presumably BaddieJimmyJay would have wanted to keep his partners out of harm's way. I could not help but sense a shift in the way each of them approached one another on Night 3/Day 4.

Sig was the low-posting suspect who Jay repeatedly named, but never pursued in any serious manner. Dom/malakim and sprityo/dunya were both players who Jay actively tried to lynch at one point or another.

I agree with much of what you have to say about wilgy, but I do not disregard the possibility that the two of them as partners conspired to maximize the distance between them in the thread. It would have been fairly elaborate, but that's not something I would put past either of them.

[Sloonei]

I will, but I haven't had much interest in this game today. And I'm walking out the door to go out right now.

I don't blame you, so I gave the abridged version.

[Sloonei]

That I've come up with colonialbob as my primary suspect on two different occasions and based upon two totally separate lines of investigation in this game is borderline overwhelming. At this point I'll be shocked if he's town and I'll owe him a tremendous apology.

[dunya]

I don't care what you'll all say about that "mislynch" episode, but the fact is: Epi's post was all about lynching him (sure, mislynch was implied, but even EPI who is sure of his own towniness didn't use that word....), LC responded by using "lynch" too, because LC believes Epi would be a lynching not a mislynch. If Jack really believed Epi was scum, then lynching him wouldn't be a mislynch.

... Jack has a lot of other question marks around him. ...

Quin seems town.

Epi's accusation was not that LC was trying to lynch him and he'd flip scum. His accusation was that LC was trying to mislynch him. Also, I use this word as a townie when talking about other people.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 59#p370259
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 46#p335046
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 59#p339059

Fake.


What other question marks?


No, Quin seems incredibly bad. Why do you think he looks good?

That's what I said That's what I have been saying since the first day

Those examples make sense in context, of course we've all used the word mislynch. The example I was referring to, when calling Epi lynch (your suspect's lynch) a mislynch, is not. The fact you pulled those examples to justify your post here is kinda looking worse on you imo.

[colonialbob]

That I've come up with colonialbob as my primary suspect on two different occasions and based upon two totally separate lines of investigation in this game is borderline overwhelming. At this point I'll be shocked if he's town and I'll owe him a tremendous apology.

"You're not Nightblue."

[dunya]

scenario 1:

Long Con
5
29%
Voters: Elohcin, colonialbob, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii


nutella
6
35%
Voters: sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy
Quin

speedchuck + Jack mafia team with nutella (and Jay). one of Jack and speed is Sutter Buttes imo.

it would have been 5/5 at the end of the day and according to Marmot, no lynch is the result of a tie at the end of Day 1.

Percentage I think is possible: high percentage.

Going through alternative scenarios....

[dunya]

scenario 2:

Long Con
5
29%
Voters: Elohcin, colonialbob, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii


nutella
6
35%
Voters: sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy
Quin

one of Elohcin, colonialbob, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii are Everest.

it would have been 6/6 at the end of the day and according to Marmot, no lynch is the result of a tie at the end of Day 1.

Percentage I think is possible: likely, but less likely imo. Why? Because both scenarios so for dont clear nutella without question to me.

Jay was one of the most vocal -- okay "nutella is 100% town" after end of day 1 - which is weird. Even weirder is that there was no nutella death till now (I hate to be that person but, yeah). Nutella's reaction to surviving Day 1 was....not as authentic as I imagined someone who really thought it was a done deal. Night 1, Night 2, Night 3 -- no nutella kill. They killed Daisy instead.

Going through alternative scenarios....

[dunya]

scenario 3:

Long Con
5
29%
Voters: Elohcin, colonialbob, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii


nutella
6
35%
Voters: sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy
Quin

nutella is Aconcagua and survived the first attempt on her life.

Percentage I think is possible: highly unlikely. I definitely feel one of two no night kills was defended by Aconcagua.

Going through alternative scenarios....

[dunya]

I'm sorry to drag this up again, but nutella's eod 4 reactions towards Jay was clear bussing to me imo. So I want to see how much weight my theory holds. Feel free to correct any misinformation I have gathered.

[dunya]

wait I have an idea. [mention]Marmot[/mention], does the little mountain who hides with Sutter Buttes have to vote along side whoever Sutter Buttes voted for?

[Jackofhearts2005]

That I've come up with colonialbob as my primary suspect on two different occasions and based upon two totally separate lines of investigation in this game is borderline overwhelming. At this point I'll be shocked if he's town and I'll owe him a tremendous apology.

"You're not Nightblue."

*powers up ring*

There are no traitors in the Justice League.

[dunya]

Also Dunya, when you find my best town game, let me know. I'd like to make a point about it. If you go that far.

Phenon - 3P(anti-town tho)
Gatsby - Town
Blue Velvet - Dog (town)
Search for Quin - Town
Pirate - Scum
Night Vale -0 Scum
SF2 - town
Pokemon - town
Elemental - LMS
Chicka Chicka 123 - LMS

In case anyone wants it. Full syndicate history. I have another site's worth of old history, but we'll ignore that.

Your town games were all considerably shorter than your mafia games. I can't really decide.

Your performance in Pirates and even Night Vale are heavy influences in theory-chuck. I'm scared of what you can accomplish. Thanks for those. I can go into your iso here with a good background of you.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?

If you don't ignore ridiculously scummy behavior, there are well more suspects that deserve immediate lynch than there are remaining baddies. Bob is not one of them.

I don't particularly see Bob teamed with Jimmy.

I certainly don't see him teamed with my suspects Speedchuck and Sloonei.

[Kylemii]

I'm sorry to drag this up again, but nutella's eod 4 reactions towards Jay was clear bussing to me imo. So I want to see how much weight my theory holds. Feel free to correct any misinformation I have gathered.

day 1 happened before any night powers were active yet so many options weren't on the table.

[Sloonei]

I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?

If you don't ignore ridiculously scummy behavior, there are well more suspects that deserve immediate lynch than there are remaining baddies. Bob is not one of them.

I don't particularly see Bob teamed with Jimmy.

I certainly don't see him teamed with my suspects Speedchuck and Sloonei.

[Elohcin]

I just went from 1 simple order this week to four orders (3 of them pretty elaborate) so I'm a little overwhelmed but thankful for such work so close to Christmas.

I think the theory of baddie teammates bussing jay is probably true. I'm guessing at least two jay voters are bad. All game, I've seen kyle as good. But now I'm second guessing. I have some motherly duties and some ingredient shopping to do and then I'm going to read through his posts again.

[dunya]

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... ch#p383906

If Long Con is a civilian, then is most likely means he is genuine in his suspicion of me.

If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.

Already done, but you want more words?

In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?

Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.

If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.

Let's get this quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way, folks!

Point LC.

Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei.

Combined with suspicious nonlynchcandidate declarations, I think this is worthy of a vote.

PS: What is my tell?

can someone explain this post, I don't really understand. Was Jack agreeing with LC or Epi? It seems very strangely worded. He uses "mislynch", when lynching Epi would be ---- lynching him --- until the mod revealed what his alliance was. If he was saying Epi is worthy of a vote, why would he call it a "mislynch"? Am I missing something? Maybe lost in translation?

please explain "mislynch" use here. I've asked several times. Why did you choose to use the word "mislynch" when referencing Epi's lynching.

His response was simply "Cause that's what Epi was accusing LC of trying to do."

Yes, Epi was. He heavily implied it.

But look what Jack said "There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1."

him, being Epi. He was making his OWN observation. He called it a MISLYNCH of Epi. I'm a language freak, I'm sticking to my guns in that any real townie would not have used mislynch in this context. I'm not saying never use the word, like Jack's smart links to previous games where he has used "mislynch" appropriately were. This context, should have been "lynch".

Guys, I'm sticking to my read here. Jack is scum. I won't try to shake it off, along with all other strange things (like how he defended sig, for something I don't think he could have been very aware of as it was happening---he replaced late into the Pirates game and tried to defend sig's lack of online presence and behavior with Jay saying it's not indicative of sig's alignments because look at Pirates. His timeframe of being online/offline wouldn't have been as obvious to Jack, who read the thread later) and other behavior such as how he only is now trying to change his replying frequency after I called him out of avoiding actually answering questions/Kyle did too (and colonialbob got the same vibe and meta'd from a previous scum game he's played in).

Jack is bad. Do what you will.

[dunya]

I'm sorry to drag this up again, but nutella's eod 4 reactions towards Jay was clear bussing to me imo. So I want to see how much weight my theory holds. Feel free to correct any misinformation I have gathered.

day 1 happened before any night powers were active yet so many options weren't on the table.

aha, you're right.

[Sloonei]

I'm sorry to drag this up again, but nutella's eod 4 reactions towards Jay was clear bussing to me imo. So I want to see how much weight my theory holds. Feel free to correct any misinformation I have gathered.

I'd be interested in this theory. How do you figure?

Also as has already been pointed, sutter buttes could not possibly have factorsd into the Day 1 lynch, as there had not yet been on a night on which they could activate their ability.

[dunya]

I'm sorry to drag this up again, but nutella's eod 4 reactions towards Jay was clear bussing to me imo. So I want to see how much weight my theory holds. Feel free to correct any misinformation I have gathered.

I'd be interested in this theory. How do you figure?

Also as has already been pointed, sutter buttes could not possibly have factorsd into the Day 1 lynch, as there had not yet been on a night on which they could activate their ability.

I'll quote specific things.

I guess I was heavily reliant on the prospect of Sutter Buttes being active for the other half of my theory.

I just don't like to cross someone off my scum list because everyone says it's a given. I find that wild and irresponsible (and I placed her highly on my town read the last 2 phases, so I feel like I should reach my own conclusions about her)

[dunya]

My daughter has informed me that Quin is a girl, Jimmy is mad and we like Goldy (Jack).

your daughter is smart tbh.

[Sloonei]

I feel you, dunya. It's entirely plaisible we all crossed nutella off our lists prematurely. Her behavior before the lynch was what did it for me, though, and not her reaction to it. She seemed to anticipate that a tie would happen. It's possible this was just a gambit that miraculously paid off. But the question of why she's still alive is a good one. I think there are answers thay don't have to involve her being scum, but it's still worth addressing.

[Sloonei]

I also did not get the sense that Jack and Jay are scum partners when I did my Jay ISO yesterday. I could be wrong for sure, but I came out of it feeling good about Jack. Which makes his stubbornness about me all the more frustrating right now.

[colonialbob]

I also did not get the sense that Jack and Jay are scum partners when I did my Jay ISO yesterday. I could be wrong for sure, but I came out of it feeling good about Jack. Which makes his stubbornness about me all the more frustrating right now.

Preaching to the choir, buddy.

The best way of summing up my voting yesterday is this:
I started off on Kyle because he had been pinging me and JJJ already had 4 votes while nobody else had more than 1. As several people have said, locking in a lynch suspect that early in the phase is generally not a great idea (obvious exceptions like revealed mafia not applying here). By the time I came back to the thread, nobody had followed my Kyle suspicion, so I went with my most consistent scumread, Speedchuck. Call it a gut read, whatever. Fact is I've been consistently reading him bad since roughly N2. Because that lasted fooooreeeeeeveeeeer the reasons aren't as fresh in my mind but the feeling of mafia was. If I have time this afternoon I'll sit down and ISO him and try to actually point out why I thought he was bad. But regardless, he was the player I most consistently read as mafia (after I felt you were basically cleared D2 and I got better feelings on Jack I think D3). Meanwhile a couple of players (mostly you) had laid out the JJJ case, which I mostly bought into, but which was also somewhat meta on a player that I've never played with (and I'm not a particularly meta-reliant player). So I stayed with my own read. Then Epi came and laid out a non-meta argument, which I also mostly bought into, and voted JJJ. That was the point I looked at the trains and noticed that my biggest townreads were on JJJ while several players who were neutral reads or worse were with me on speedchuck. That was enough to push me away from my top scumread to my second scumread.