Occultism Mafia - THE END

[Marmot]

What I am suspicious of is MM's vote for nutella with no explanation, and I've been suspicious of replacements since they well, replaced the inactive players. That is where my vote is going today.

I'm sorry for not explaining before. It was just a strong hunch. I hope don't think too badly of it now.

llama, if the mafia is eliminated, will it be declared in the game thread?

I, like Blooper, have been suspicious of the replacements and did a reread of MM. There's really not much there, but this caught my eye. There's unfortunately not much more to go on, but I think MM posts read blendy and trying to hide in plain sight.

Votes Metal

Am I really being blendy? Or are you just saying that to be blendy?

nutella's been the only player I've had any sort of hunch about so far, which is why I voted for her (first) yesterday. I haven't had a lot of motivation to scumhunt actively this game, but I am most definitely observing player interactions, as well as thinking of different scenarios regarding Abramelin and who it could be, some of which I've posted.

[Marmot]

I mean we have almost 24 hours to vote, I don't know why you all are rushing.

[Marmot]

Moving on, I'm not getting a LMS indie type of vibe from Dom, but more of a cold, confused, and angry civvie. We should just wait until the drugs wear off, and then hear what he has to say in a hopefully more coherent manner.

I think that's why I have a hard time reading Dom sometimes. In most games, he comes across to me this way at at least one point in time. And that's the impression I'm getting from him now.

Dom, do you feel that the medication you're on is affecting your ability to play or comprehend the game in some ways, or is that a load of crock?

That's a load of crock.
It affects my appetite and my sleep patterns. That's it.
INH would like you to believe that I am a complete, incoherent mess that can't post. I'm not.

Okay, thanks for the response. As for your vote, that's...interesting. Mostly because I still feel this thing between you and INH is civ on civ.

That sounds exactly like what nutella said, which was the reason I suspected her.

[Marmot]

In this case our only real lead is the victim; one of the people who, based on the pre Nutella voting record, HAS to be a civvie. I reread Blooper, and saw no real reason to suspect her. Perhaps you might like to reread her too and see if you see anything there.

Usually the more vics, the more leads, but I have a feeling that this guy could not kill until the baddies were dead.

Are you talking about ninja blooper? Considering bloops was murdered to death by Abramelon, wouldn't she be a civvie? Why would you suspect otherwise?

I meant up to the point where the bad team died out. She was one of 2 people that could not have been on the bad team. In thought my meaning was clear?

I didn't realize the non-suspicion you were referring to was something that existed before her death (or nutella's). I thought you were saying that you looked her over again today, and didn't suspect her. me

[Dom]

Wazzipi poll already ended equivalence me

[Marmot]

Ninja Blooper has been murdered to death by Abramelin the Mage.
MovingPictures07 has been resurrected.
You have 24 hours to lynch someone. Actually, I am going to a baseball game tomorrow night. You have 48 hours.

llama posted this at 6:02 PM on Thursday, so we have 'til that time on Saturday I presume.

[thellama73]

Sorry, guys. I forgot to make the poll last 48 hours. Please post your votes in the thread.

[S~V~S]

In this case our only real lead is the victim; one of the people who, based on the pre Nutella voting record, HAS to be a civvie. I reread Blooper, and saw no real reason to suspect her. Perhaps you might like to reread her too and see if you see anything there.

Usually the more vics, the more leads, but I have a feeling that this guy could not kill until the baddies were dead.

Are you talking about ninja blooper? Considering bloops was murdered to death by Abramelon, wouldn't she be a civvie? Why would you suspect otherwise?

I meant up to the point where the bad team died out. She was one of 2 people that could not have been on the bad team. In thought my meaning was clear?

I didn't realize the non-suspicion you were referring to was something that existed before her death (or nutella's). I thought you were saying that you looked her over again today, and didn't suspect her. me

No, I was talking about why someone might kill her, since the new killer killed her

With no other leads, sometimes it helps to try and figure out WHY someone killed a specific victim.

This post specifically is why I voted for you:

What I am suspicious of is MM's vote for nutella with no explanation, and I've been suspicious of replacements since they well, replaced the inactive players. That is where my vote is going today.

I'm sorry for not explaining before. It was just a strong hunch. I hope don't think too badly of it now.

llama, if the mafia is eliminated, will it be declared in the game thread?

Plus this one to a lesser extent:

I really don't know who to look at. I'd assume that Abramelin was civvie-neutral before he had his little "operation", and possibly had to get the baddies out in order to make himself stronger.

I dunno if I agree. There are so many civvie players, I have a hard time seeing Abramelin aligned with them, even at the beginning.

Linki: thanks llama.

What I think INH meant, and I thought it was fairly obvious, was that Abremelin would PLAY the game that way, not that he was ALIGNED that way by the host. The host clearly aligned him as Indy/secret role. But playing the game as a civ would be the best viable way IMO, especially if the theory that Abremelin could not kill until the Mafia was gone is the correct one. It is also possible he chose not to kill to lull the civs and to hide a bit better.

I asked people to reread Blooper to see if they could come up with a reason someone might kill her; have you? Do you have any ideas on who might have wanted to kill her?

[Tangrowth]

Personally, S~V~S, I thought about it and I think Blooper was just an untraceable/chaos kill. I really couldn't find any reason for any particular player to want her dead.

[S~V~S]

It is also possible she was a set up kill, but i doubt it. I think Boogs was a set up kill though. I am OK with my MM vote.

[Tangrowth]

It is also possible she was a set up kill, but i doubt it. I think Boogs was a set up kill though. I am OK with my MM vote.

Agreed.

[Marmot]

In this case our only real lead is the victim; one of the people who, based on the pre Nutella voting record, HAS to be a civvie. I reread Blooper, and saw no real reason to suspect her. Perhaps you might like to reread her too and see if you see anything there.

Usually the more vics, the more leads, but I have a feeling that this guy could not kill until the baddies were dead.

Are you talking about ninja blooper? Considering bloops was murdered to death by Abramelon, wouldn't she be a civvie? Why would you suspect otherwise?

I meant up to the point where the bad team died out. She was one of 2 people that could not have been on the bad team. In thought my meaning was clear?

I didn't realize the non-suspicion you were referring to was something that existed before her death (or nutella's). I thought you were saying that you looked her over again today, and didn't suspect her. me

No, I was talking about why someone might kill her, since the new killer killed her

With no other leads, sometimes it helps to try and figure out WHY someone killed a specific victim.

This post specifically is why I voted for you:

What I am suspicious of is MM's vote for nutella with no explanation, and I've been suspicious of replacements since they well, replaced the inactive players. That is where my vote is going today.

I'm sorry for not explaining before. It was just a strong hunch. I hope don't think too badly of it now.

llama, if the mafia is eliminated, will it be declared in the game thread?

Plus this one to a lesser extent:

I really don't know who to look at. I'd assume that Abramelin was civvie-neutral before he had his little "operation", and possibly had to get the baddies out in order to make himself stronger.

I dunno if I agree. There are so many civvie players, I have a hard time seeing Abramelin aligned with them, even at the beginning.

Linki: thanks llama.

What I think INH meant, and I thought it was fairly obvious, was that Abremelin would PLAY the game that way, not that he was ALIGNED that way by the host. The host clearly aligned him as Indy/secret role. But playing the game as a civ would be the best viable way IMO, especially if the theory that Abremelin could not kill until the Mafia was gone is the correct one. It is also possible he chose not to kill to lull the civs and to hide a bit better.

I asked people to reread Blooper to see if they could come up with a reason someone might kill her; have you? Do you have any ideas on who might have wanted to kill her?

Sorry, but I'm not one to make assumptions on what other players are trying to say, especially if it's not clear. I don't like that you expect me to do so.

[Hedgeowl]

Whoops didnt mean to vote so ealry, but we left for vacation yesterday and i saw the poll ended at 6 and wanted to vote before we left.

I am still feeling good about my MM vote, but ome theory playing in my brain is how was MP rezzed? I need to look back at roles.

[Hedgeowl]

Ok, just checked and paracelsus has a reZz, so feeling better there.

[Elohcin]

I am glad the poll was 48 hours instead of 24 because Epi and I have been spending the weekend with the lovely Mongoose in beautiful St. Pete .

I've had a bit of time to catch up now and I am okay with a Metalmarsh vote.

Tonight we are celebrating Simon's 7th birthday. Cici's and ice cream!

[birdwithteeth11]

Alright, so we have a little bit of time before the vote ends. I don't know where I stand on a MM vote at this point, mostly because the only case I see for him is that "he's blendy". Is that the greatest extent of it or am I missing something else?

[birdwithteeth11]

What I am suspicious of is MM's vote for nutella with no explanation, and I've been suspicious of replacements since they well, replaced the inactive players. That is where my vote is going today.

I'm sorry for not explaining before. It was just a strong hunch. I hope don't think too badly of it now.

llama, if the mafia is eliminated, will it be declared in the game thread?

Okay, I see this quote too in one of SVS' posts. But this is the only other evidence I can find. So is that pretty much it?

[S~V~S]

I don't think he's blendy, I think YOU'RE blendy

You both came in at the same time, he has 9 or 10 more posts than you. He talks, but does not say much. More of his posts are addressing mentions of him than discussing suspicions. He got Bloopers eye, and then tried to push off his vote for Nutella as a cred thing,when it really had no bearing on a LMS role.

[birdwithteeth11]

Okay, makes sense.

Of course I'm probably coming off as blendy. :P Speed games are usually terrible with my schedule, which is why I don't play them much anymore. I often don't have the time or energy to post nearly as much as I like.

I'll think about what you said. I'm not really committed to voting for any one person in particular yet, and I have a bit more time before I have to come to a decision.

[Marmot]

What I am suspicious of is MM's vote for nutella with no explanation, and I've been suspicious of replacements since they well, replaced the inactive players. That is where my vote is going today.

I'm sorry for not explaining before. It was just a strong hunch. I hope don't think too badly of it now.

llama, if the mafia is eliminated, will it be declared in the game thread?

Okay, I see this quote too in one of SVS' posts. But this is the only other evidence I can find. So is that pretty much it?

That was the point offered. But I want to know why it is relevant when I was the first vote on nutella? Yes it was a bit of a drive-by (due to my lack of time), but it's not like I was following some trendy bandwagon.

[Marmot]

I'm going to vote insertnamehere being that he is the only other player with a vote, for self-preservation.

But you all are wasting your time.

[thellama73]

Night 5

It was quiet on a Satur(n)day. Too quiet.

Shaken by the sudden appearance and disappearance of demons, the death of the mafia, and the knowledge that they were now hunting an untraceable killer who or may not have amazing powers, the group was cautious.

“This isn’t what I signed up for,” said MetalMarsh.

“Oh yeah,” said insertnamehere. “What did you sign up for? How about a nice lynching?”

“No, I-” Metal Marsh protested, but it was too late. The others set upon him like jackals, and before he could say “Bob’s your uncle” he was no more.

Nope, just kidding. MetalMarsh is fine. No one has been lynched.

You have 24 hours to send in PMs.

[S~V~S]

Hrm

[Tangrowth]

That's interesting.

[insertnamehere]

OK, I see three ways that MetalMarsh survived that lynch.

1. The lynch was stopped by Theoprastus Paracelsus.

2. MM won something, or was given something by someone.

3. MM is Abramelin, and is immune to his first lynch?

I probably won't be voting for MM tomorrow.

[birdwithteeth11]

Yeah, of course I would miss another vote. I mean, I've only missed 6 of my last 8 possible votes on this site, so clearly I shouldn't bother voting ever. Or playing for that matter.

[birdwithteeth11]

Also, not really sure how MM survived, and not sure how that makes me feel yet.

[Marmot]

Yeah, of course I would miss another vote. I mean, I've only missed 6 of my last 8 possible votes on this site, so clearly I shouldn't bother voting ever. Or playing for that matter.

I've done that before. Don't let it get to you.

OK, I see three ways that MetalMarsh survived that lynch.

1. The lynch was stopped by Theoprastus Paracelsus.

2. MM won something, or was given something by someone.

3. MM is Abramelin, and is immune to his first lynch?

I probably won't be voting for MM tomorrow.

You're on the right track.

[Mongoose]

Or Dion Fortune had a hand in this.

[Mongoose]

No nevermind, that's a night action - I'm all over the place.

[Hedgeowl]

Interesting result and of the 3 theories inh put forth i have one i am now most inclined to believe. I probably wont vote MM again as a result. Have to do more rereads before i know where to look next honestly.

[Dom]

Yeah, of course I would miss another vote. I mean, I've only missed 6 of my last 8 possible votes on this site, so clearly I shouldn't bother voting ever. Or playing for that matter.

Hm.

[birdwithteeth11]

Yeah, of course I would miss another vote. I mean, I've only missed 6 of my last 8 possible votes on this site, so clearly I shouldn't bother voting ever. Or playing for that matter.

Hm.

6 out of 8 because it carries over from The Hobbit.

Sorry, I probably shouldn't have said that. I hate missing a vote, especially when I actually have a little extra time. But the fact that I've missed so many now makes me really mad at myself. And honestly makes me feel like it's not even worth playing if I'm not going to participate in the most basic, essential mafia task.

I'll feel better and get over it soon. Right now it just feels like I'm venting, and that helps a lot.

[thellama73]

NATURAL MAGIC

Natural magic is a broad category of magical effects produced from simple combination of elements of the natural world. Unlike ritual or ceremonial magic, where the actions and will of the operator produce the effect, natural magic is self-working. A classic example is the way that iron disrupts the connection between the material and etheric planes.

The basic principle of natural magic is sympathy, the notion that like affects like. In voodoo, which contrary to popular opinion is largely drawn from European witchcraft, the voodoo doll is made by collecting hair or nails from the victim, binding them up into a facsimile of him, the theory being that action taken upon the doll will be transferred to the victim through sympathetic magic.

Sympathetic magic was used extensively in rainmaking, and the curing of diseases. Food can cure the body's ailments through the principles of sympathy. Since the heart is believed to be characterized by courage, it was believed that eating the heart would grant courage to the eater. The eating of animal genitalia was believed to cure impotence. And so on, and so on. The list of plants, stones, and animals that can produce magical effects is enormous.

Further reading:
Natural Magic by Albertus Magnus
Four Books of Occult Philosophy, Book One: Natural Magic, by Cornelius Agrippa
The Golden Bough: a Study of Magic and Religion by J. G. Frazer.

END LECTURE

Elohcin has been killed by Abramelin the Mage
You have 24 hours to avenge her.

[Elohcin]

It was fun while it lasted.

[Vompatti]

mafioso you believe me if I told communicatory I woudln't anagoge voting for INH today?

[nijuukyugou]

It was fun while it lasted.

Zombie party!!

[thellama73]

It was fun while it lasted.

You're just saying that to protect my feelings.

[Elohcin]

It was fun while it lasted.

Zombie party!!

[Dom]

hm

[Tangrowth]

RIP Elo!

Dom, what are you thinking?

[Dom]

TBH, MP I am really lost.

[Tangrowth]

Yeah, I'm not so sure myself.

I do know I will not be voting Metalmarsh though.

[S~V~S]

I feel silly but i do not get the allusion that people are making. There is a civvie role that can live, there is also an Indy killer that gets more powerful every day or some suck. How do you know it is one, but not the other?

I am not voting for INH, I believe him to be civ with a certainty.

Who else do y'all suspect?

[Marmot]

Yeah, I'm not so sure myself.

I do know I will not be voting Metalmarsh though.

Much appreciated.

My top suspect would be BWT, he's been just as blendy as I've been accused of being.

There is this post.

Alright, so we have a little bit of time before the vote ends. I don't know where I stand on a MM vote at this point, mostly because the only case I see for him is that "he's blendy". Is that the greatest extent of it or am I missing something else?

And this

Okay, makes sense.

Of course I'm probably coming off as blendy. :P Speed games are usually terrible with my schedule, which is why I don't play them much anymore. I often don't have the time or energy to post nearly as much as I like.

I'll think about what you said. I'm not really committed to voting for any one person in particular yet, and I have a bit more time before I have to come to a decision.

BWT even admits to being blendy.



Then there is also SVS.

I don't think he's blendy, I think YOU'RE blendy

You both came in at the same time, he has 9 or 10 more posts than you. He talks, but does not say much. More of his posts are addressing mentions of him than discussing suspicions. He got Bloopers eye, and then tried to push off his vote for Nutella as a cred thing,when it really had no bearing on a LMS role.

SVS, here you accuse me of defending myself more than actually offering thoughts on my own suspicions. Your thoughts are a little conflicting though.

What I think INH meant, and I thought it was fairly obvious, was that Abremelin would PLAY the game that way, not that he was ALIGNED that way by the host. The host clearly aligned him as Indy/secret role. But playing the game as a civ would be the best viable way IMO, especially if the theory that Abremelin could not kill until the Mafia was gone is the correct one. It is also possible he chose not to kill to lull the civs and to hide a bit better.

I asked people to reread Blooper to see if they could come up with a reason someone might kill her; have you? Do you have any ideas on who might have wanted to kill her?

Here you are not happy that I didn't understand what INH was talking about and questioned him about it. This I still don't like. You said a similar thing to me when I questioned you because I didn't understand what you were saying. Please tell me, why should I assume I know what someone is talking about when I really don't? That ideology just seems to have a little bit of malice to me.


Feel free to offer some input Dom and MP. You two seem lost, so maybe we can get this ship turned around?

[Dom]

TBH, I have been proven wrong at every turn this game-- so...

[Vompatti]

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[Tangrowth]

S~V~S, it is possible MM could be the Indy, but I don't know, I'm leaning occam's razor on this for now. I at least want to see what we can try today.

MM, I'd be willing to vote BWT possibly. Reason I voted for you pretty much came down to the replacement factor, so it makes sense to me.

[birdwithteeth11]

My top suspect would be BWT, he's been just as blendy as I've been accused of being.

There is this post.

Alright, so we have a little bit of time before the vote ends. I don't know where I stand on a MM vote at this point, mostly because the only case I see for him is that "he's blendy". Is that the greatest extent of it or am I missing something else?

I was trying to understand where the case on you was coming from, because I didn't understand or agree with it.

And this

Okay, makes sense.

Of course I'm probably coming off as blendy. :P Speed games are usually terrible with my schedule, which is why I don't play them much anymore. I often don't have the time or energy to post nearly as much as I like.

I'll think about what you said. I'm not really committed to voting for any one person in particular yet, and I have a bit more time before I have to come to a decision.

BWT even admits to being blendy.

Did you look at the reason why I admitted to being blendy? I think it's a legitimate reason. Granted, I'm doing my best to try a bit harder. But I hate that it has to come with my head possibly being on the chopping block today.

Also, why is it that a guy who has also been accused of being "blendy" decides to go after another player who has the same accusation leveled at him. So which is the pot and which is the kettle here?

If you have some reason for looking at me other than me being "blendy" which I'm honestly starting to get tired of, given I get called "blendy" several times in almost every game of mafia I play, then I will gladly listen and offer explanations. But if I get lynched again because I came off as "blendy", I'm going to call BS.

[thellama73]

Unless at least one person votes today, I am going to just modkill all of you and be done with it.

Tick-tock, Tick-tock....