Golden wrote:Ugh, feels like there is lots of confusing stuff going on.
BR - sorry, what I meant to say was that although I don't particularly suspect you any more (and the only reason I did was pretty lame to begin with - Aces made me feel like you were bad, nothing you did), it's not impossible that someone could have voted aces late, knowing (assuming, at least) he wouldn't be lynched. So although I don't think you look bad right now, I don't feel as though the aces vote clears you either.
Having said that - your post I likey. I actually agree with you on LC, and (ironically) rabbit's tunnel vision is making me worry about him.
Oh please I don't have tunnel vision. I even replied to LC that it could be him or MP.
Because I think he is bad does not mean I think only he is bad, jeez. Pretty sure if MP is bad LC is not.
And Yes in my eyes I thought his vote was what sealed the deal. People usually post what they see, how they see it. Do they not BR? I knew there was no way Aces would get the most votes when I voted. That's what I was accused of by LC, throwing my vote away. That's why I said anything about it at all.
I will likely be voting for JC today again. She's is my top suspect. Sorry I can't have more than 1.
Okay, so WOW. I was way off in who I thought I was bad.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Realizing that Aces was bad, I think my top suspect is juliets. Not sure about the rest of the votes just yet, but I'm tired, so I will review them tomorrow and hopefully I'll get a chance to read back.
I have to agree with this and reiterate that I was NOT defending Juliets Day 1. I do still think that the case about her getting her times mixed up is a silly reason to think she is bad. However, the fact that she defended Aces is a much better reason
I will be starting fresh today. I have a LOT of work to do today, but this evening I am going to come back and read as much as I can over again. Actually...shoot, I can't even do that....band practice tonight. I have NO time today. TOMORROW is another day. I will re-evaluate tomorrow.
Banners are cool, but a pain to scroll through so...
I've won a lot of games. I've hosted some games. The end.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
This is supposed to be a speed/small game, and you leave me with six pages to read in the morning?
So, wow. That was unexpected. Good job, Aces voters/Golden! I'm curious as to why it worked out that way exactly, but hey, a baddie lynch is a baddie lynch
I see suspicion all over the place and I'm not sure where to look. Juliets for what I gather as people seeing her trying to save Aces? I feel like there's something else in the argument but I wasn't really sure what happened there in my marathon read-through. Zomba because she looks a bit floundering and the "asset" comment (hehe...asset). There are others going around, but they don't seem as prominent. I'll have to go back and read more closely, especially in light of Golden's being correct about Aces. (I hate that a lot of what I say when I catch up tends to be repeated from the thread, but I suppose that's the bane of not being able to play in real time for the most part.)
MM, you posted this two minutes before the lynch post:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I guess I'm not dying afterall.
Out of curiosity, how did you know that before the post? Or was it a joke? Do you know why you survived?
Why is it still Day 1?
And here's a cartoon for y'all called "High Note". Sorry it's not a direct video in the post, but YouTube doesn't have the whole thing, and clips won't do it justice. If you haven't seen it, YOU MUST. The animation is clever as hell, it's entirely musical (in more ways than one) and...well, you'll see http://www.sydneyviolinteacher.com/wp-c ... _n.mp4?_=1
Linki - I was wondering myself, Eloh - did you make that cake or find it for the game? Either way, incredible
nijuukyugou wrote:
So, wow. That was unexpected. Good job, Aces voters/Golden! I'm curious as to why it worked out that way exactly, but hey, a baddie lynch is a baddie lynch
This rings phoney and insincere to me. YOu just rocketed up my suspect list, Bloops!
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:@Ninja, I have no idea how I survived. That was a joke because the Lynch Post hadn't gone up yet.
Fair enough. I need breakfast now.
Also, your marmot stares into my soul every time I see your posts. It both delights me and freaks me out a bit
Linki - Ah, so it begins, Mr. llama
It's always a pleasure to do battle with you.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
Elohcin wrote:Okay, so WOW. I was way off in who I thought I was bad.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Realizing that Aces was bad, I think my top suspect is juliets. Not sure about the rest of the votes just yet, but I'm tired, so I will review them tomorrow and hopefully I'll get a chance to read back.
I have to agree with this and reiterate that I was NOT defending Juliets Day 1. I do still think that the case about her getting her times mixed up is a silly reason to think she is bad. However, the fact that she defended Aces is a much better reason
I will be starting fresh today. I have a LOT of work to do today, but this evening I am going to come back and read as much as I can over again. Actually...shoot, I can't even do that....band practice tonight. I have NO time today. TOMORROW is another day. I will re-evaluate tomorrow.
Elochin what do you mean I defended Aces? Could you show me that quote? I asked Golden at one point if he had dropped Aces as a suspicion because he only mentioned you and someone else in a post where he was talking about suspicions. So to sum up I never defended Aces and if you think I did I'd like to see the quote.
You are quite right though - everything about the times is just silly. Look at these quotes from yesterday:
juliets wrote:
juliets wrote:Oh jeez the day doesnt end until TOMORROW!! I thought it was tonight. Damn but oh well, an early vote for once.
I'm totally a doofus. Of course the day ends tonight this is a speed game. Ignore my stupidity.
I was totally confused about even what day it was. I was afraid I really had voted early, a day early. These two quotes came at 6:13 and 6:16.
My vote post came just prior to these quotes and was at 6:11 pm. When I was answering rabbit yesterday I was thinking I must have voted much earlier than that for people to be making such a big deal about my early vote. This is the normal time I would vote in a game - between 6 and 7ish, sometimes a little earlier sometimes a little later. I don't like running around at the end trying to decide who to vote for. I just didn't look at the actual time until this morning. No wonder yesterday I said I didn't know what happened - I did not really vote early, I was just believing what rabbit was saying.
I will answer Sophie and Golden next after I review that part of the thread.
OK, Golden posted the times of MP's emotional speech about MM and then my vote afterwards. I cannot say MP didn't influence me because he did. I did not try to persuade people when i voted I just voted with my reasons plainly stated. There's nothing I can really say about the timing of MP's speech in the thread because as I said above it did influence me but was not a concerted effort by me, MP and Aces to swing everyone to vote MM. MP and Aces may have plotted to do that but I was not involved.
Golden, I understand better what you meant about me pushing an MM lynch, thanks. I didn't really think about my language in that post; I was envisioning more like I was crusading people to vote for MM, which I wasn't.
My emotional wording was not nefarious; it was sincere. I absolutely hate self-voting; I go on this tirade every freaking game MM and I play together and it bothers the shit out of me that he keeps getting away with it every game when I've gotten lynched usually earlier than him for actually trying to baddie hunt, and I realize that's partially my fault because I never voted for him, so that's why I expressed those thoughts. Perhaps one of my most frustrating lynches was in Film Director (the game LC mentioned) and so reading LC's comment about MM being bad just stirred up those feelings for me. I thought I made it clear that I found BF suspicious and leaned more that way, but I suppose I can see how I didn't after reexamining my wording there.
I don't know what to say about the timing; I just was providing my thoughts in real time as I always do. I even thought about taking a new approach this game and not posting as often because I always attract a ton of suspicion but I decided against forcing myself to restrict my posting habits.
I can understand if you folks want to lynch me, but it's not going to lend you a baddie.
I still don't think BF is necessarily off the hook, but after examining the voting records, I think it's silly to believe all of the baddies tried to save Aces, but I'm sure there was a save attempt. A lot of the votes for MM were pretty quick too and not really explained, so it's hard to tell who the baddies could be, but my gut evaluation says juliets, due to her dropping the Llama suspicion so quickly, and perhaps the last three voters for MM might be technically most suspect if one were to look at timing.
It begs the question as to whether anyone would have thrown Aces under the bus (I would have, personally). If any of the Aces voters strike me as that, they would be BF and BR, maybe, though I guess BF's vote being first might poke some holes in that theory.
I don't see any civilian roles that could have caused this result, other than maybe three that have secrets. It seems the baddies have secrets as well, but I highly doubt the baddies would have switched the lynch to one of their own to cause chaos (I did that in WWE and it actually worked there since we won and everyone was left analyzing my posts to death to find my teammates and made all the wrong guesses, but it was not D1).
I know part of my suspicion on splints was wrong but there's still something off about her posts to me. I know she said she never really had an intent to vote BF, and I see that, but she stated CLEAR intent to vote for MM, and then all of a sudden grabbed onto the "huge asset" post, which I didn't see anything in personally.
If there were any baddies that threw off, I guess splints is my first guess, then rabbit, but I've gotten really good feels from rabbit all game. Not sure what that means. Lol. Elo's vote was weird too but I can't make heads or tails of her behavior just yet, since the first few games we played together I gunned after her hard just like Golden is after me and IIRC every time it wasn't successful.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Golden, I understand better what you meant about me pushing an MM lynch, thanks. I didn't really think about my language in that post; I was envisioning more like I was crusading people to vote for MM, which I wasn't.
My emotional wording was not nefarious; it was sincere. I absolutely hate self-voting; I go on this tirade every freaking game MM and I play together and it bothers the shit out of me that he keeps getting away with it every game when I've gotten lynched usually earlier than him for actually trying to baddie hunt, and I realize that's partially my fault because I never voted for him, so that's why I expressed those thoughts. Perhaps one of my most frustrating lynches was in Film Director (the game LC mentioned) and so reading LC's comment about MM being bad just stirred up those feelings for me. I thought I made it clear that I found BF suspicious and leaned more that way, but I suppose I can see how I didn't after reexamining my wording there.
I don't know what to say about the timing; I just was providing my thoughts in real time as I always do. I even thought about taking a new approach this game and not posting as often because I always attract a ton of suspicion but I decided against forcing myself to restrict my posting habits.
I can understand if you folks want to lynch me, but it's not going to lend you a baddie.
I still don't think BF is necessarily off the hook, but after examining the voting records, I think it's silly to believe all of the baddies tried to save Aces, but I'm sure there was a save attempt. A lot of the votes for MM were pretty quick too and not really explained, so it's hard to tell who the baddies could be, but my gut evaluation says juliets, due to her dropping the Llama suspicion so quickly, and perhaps the last three voters for MM might be technically most suspect if one were to look at timing.
I snipped off the rest of this post because I am only responded to the part I underlined.
MP, here is my post about llama:
juliets wrote:I'm tempted to vote llama for voting early for Zomba saying she hasn't posted, and then of course she shows up because it was too early to make that assessment. But then again i know llama does goofy stuff because he's just having fun. I'll have to think about it.
I clearly say that I know llama does a lot of hijinks just for fun and then say I'll think about it. This is not the post of someone who has a deep suspicion of someone. I didn't drop the suspicion as much as i never really had that strong of a suspicion. Right after I posted this llama responded with had I thought about the fact the her teamates may have demanded she show up. My response was "Hmmm" and that was pretty much the end of my thought to vote llama. The important part is I didn't have that deep of a suspicion, just a ping as opposed to MM where I knew that what he did was wrong.
MP I'll be honest, I don't feel like gunning after you hard in the way I did about aces. I'm presenting the facts, which don't look good. But they don't look good about some others either. I don't know which way I'd vote on day 2, honestly.
There are a few people whose behaviour is consistent with being aces teammate, but I don't think they all can be. I absolutely think that its unlikely they all voted MM (unfortunately, your vote for BF doesn't help you there.) However, if you were around at the time as I was, I think you'd recognise bfs vote for aces came at a time when a lynch of aces was very much on the cards and it would not have been a safe vote at all. The other three votes (bea, BR, sophie) came late enough that I don't think they could be cleared based on voting for aces alone.
Splints, I understand that it's not uncommon for me to suspect you when we play together, but I suppose it's a two-way street. I don't intend on voting for you tomorrow, but I just haven't found your behavior convincing me that you're civilian, and I did think you sort of "hopped" around yesterday. Those feelings still stand. But I don't intend on engaging in a back and forth with you because my suspicion of you is quite weak at this point. Nonetheless, if you want to respond, I'd appreciate it.
juliets, thanks, I'll mull over it. I also had the thought that I know I'm being unfairly accused because the facts appear as if I was saving Aces -- something I can contest but it's still not difficult, even if my MO is to throw my teammates under the bus -- so I will consider the same for you. I just wanted to make my current thoughts clear and I do admit your turnaround and some of your posts struck me as insincere. That said, I tend to read you badly, so I also am considering that.
Golden, I appreciate your level-headed analysis. Duly noted re: BF, that's a good point. I suppose the timing of BF's vote would not be out of character at all for me, but I'm not sure whether BF is someone who would be comfortable throwing a teammate under the bus so evidently so early on. I agree on the latter three votes. Do you have any reads on those three players?
I have a somewhat busy day, so I'm going to let my thoughts on these matters percolate and maybe I'll get that re-read in later in the evening as well, before I start putting the cart before the horse and figuring out who to vote for tomorrow.
Just trying to go through MP's posts to see what I can see.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Rabbit, if it helps, Aces played Death Note almost exactly as he has now, and he helped lynch a civilian. He was NKed, so his alignment is unknown.
This is a good example of a statement that defends Aces in a sort of subtle way. It's not "I think he's not bad", but it does say "This is how Aces plays, and maybe it's not his baddie game."
Then he indicates that he doesn't want to vote for Aces or MM, but continues to prefer an MM lynch even as he went for BF. Not defending... but directing his attention elsewhere. Then he gives a suspect list that doesn't include Aces.
That's really all I can see for MP in a search of his posts.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Do you have any reads on those three players?
Not really. I need to read BR again, but last night I thought she was looking a bit civ. Bea and soph, I got nothing yet.
And honestly, bf could have changed his style a little since I last played, but if there is anyone who I fully trust my own read on, its him. We know each other very well. Might he throw a teammate under the bus early? I don't think thats his style, but not impossible. But all his posts around it also read very civ bf to me. I mean, he could be the judge and still come across as civ, so could anyone I guess. But I'm pretty sure he isn't on aces team.
Long Con wrote:Just trying to go through MP's posts to see what I can see.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Rabbit, if it helps, Aces played Death Note almost exactly as he has now, and he helped lynch a civilian. He was NKed, so his alignment is unknown.
This is a good example of a statement that defends Aces in a sort of subtle way. It's not "I think he's not bad", but it does say "This is how Aces plays, and maybe it's not his baddie game."
Then he indicates that he doesn't want to vote for Aces or MM, but continues to prefer an MM lynch even as he went for BF. Not defending... but directing his attention elsewhere. Then he gives a suspect list that doesn't include Aces.
That's really all I can see for MP in a search of his posts.
How? I was stating a fact. Aces super aggressively went after trice in a way almost exactly like Golden here, and rabbit said something about Aces changing up his style, so I presented a fact that Aces played DN before this and already did so. I don't defend my teammates like that. I have no idea what Aces alignment was here, but I blatantly admitted that was factoring into my analysis.
Why would my suspect list include Aces? I didn't suspect him.
If you don't believe me, fine, I know my posts look bad. But this is not how I play my mafia game as a baddie. All of my posts have been genuine.
Don't worry, MP. I'm not voting for you tomorrow, and my vote is the only one that counts.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
bea wrote:Why is your vote the only one that counts llama?
Because I'm supatown, baby.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
Long Con wrote:Just trying to go through MP's posts to see what I can see.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Rabbit, if it helps, Aces played Death Note almost exactly as he has now, and he helped lynch a civilian. He was NKed, so his alignment is unknown.
This is a good example of a statement that defends Aces in a sort of subtle way. It's not "I think he's not bad", but it does say "This is how Aces plays, and maybe it's not his baddie game."
Then he indicates that he doesn't want to vote for Aces or MM, but continues to prefer an MM lynch even as he went for BF. Not defending... but directing his attention elsewhere. Then he gives a suspect list that doesn't include Aces.
That's really all I can see for MP in a search of his posts.
I haven't really played mafia with MP - only for like a day or two in Donner - so I really only know him from real life. I'm kinda in the same situation as I was re Snowman at the beginning of Death Note. I see LC's point about MP but I'm worried that my IRL interaction with MP (not about mafia of course) might taint my feelings about him. I kinda think MP might be bad, but just like Llama's original case against Snowman, I feel like this evidence against MP is a little weak and that LC may be reaching or just going along with Golden. I'm gonna watch LC and MP.
Turnip Head wrote:I for one welcome our new zombie and llama overlords. May their reign be long, and may their cases always be on point.
I've been trying to figure out how the lynch worked. The judge gets two votes, but that isn't enough to tip it. That must mean that someone has a lynch switch, someone can block votes, or someone besides the judge has extra votes. It doesn't make sense for any of the baddies to use these powers against one of their own (at least I don't think it makes sense). So....I'm gonna try to figure out what this might mean. BBL.
Turnip Head wrote:I for one welcome our new zombie and llama overlords. May their reign be long, and may their cases always be on point.
Zomberella12 wrote:I've been trying to figure out how the lynch worked. The judge gets two votes, but that isn't enough to tip it. That must mean that someone has a lynch switch, someone can block votes, or someone besides the judge has extra votes. It doesn't make sense for any of the baddies to use these powers against one of their own (at least I don't think it makes sense). So....I'm gonna try to figure out what this might mean. BBL.
Zombrella there is a stop lynch in the civ powers. I think thats how it happened.
Zomberella12 wrote:I've been trying to figure out how the lynch worked. The judge gets two votes, but that isn't enough to tip it. That must mean that someone has a lynch switch, someone can block votes, or someone besides the judge has extra votes. It doesn't make sense for any of the baddies to use these powers against one of their own (at least I don't think it makes sense). So....I'm gonna try to figure out what this might mean. BBL.
Zombrella there is a stop lynch in the civ powers. I think thats how it happened.
Do you mean R.K. Maroon? It says that he can stop the lynch. Does that mean just stop the lynch on one person so it goes to the one with the 2nd most votes?
Turnip Head wrote:I for one welcome our new zombie and llama overlords. May their reign be long, and may their cases always be on point.
Zomberella12 wrote:I've been trying to figure out how the lynch worked. The judge gets two votes, but that isn't enough to tip it. That must mean that someone has a lynch switch, someone can block votes, or someone besides the judge has extra votes. It doesn't make sense for any of the baddies to use these powers against one of their own (at least I don't think it makes sense). So....I'm gonna try to figure out what this might mean. BBL.
Zombrella there is a stop lynch in the civ powers. I think thats how it happened.
Do you mean R.K. Maroon? It says that he can stop the lynch. Does that mean just stop the lynch on one person so it goes to the one with the 2nd most votes?
Oh you're right - I was thinking about it in the same terms as a switch but its not. No one gets lynched in a stop. So I don't see the mechanism either that caused the switch. It's probably a secret power.
yeah, when I said yesterday I had an inkling the lynch might not happen at all, I thought MM could be maroon and that he might stop the lynch. But I don't think that explains what actually did occur.
Zomberella12 wrote:I've been trying to figure out how the lynch worked. The judge gets two votes, but that isn't enough to tip it. That must mean that someone has a lynch switch, someone can block votes, or someone besides the judge has extra votes. It doesn't make sense for any of the baddies to use these powers against one of their own (at least I don't think it makes sense). So....I'm gonna try to figure out what this might mean. BBL.
Zombrella there is a stop lynch in the civ powers. I think thats how it happened.
Do you mean R.K. Maroon? It says that he can stop the lynch. Does that mean just stop the lynch on one person so it goes to the one with the 2nd most votes?
Oh you're right - I was thinking about it in the same terms as a switch but its not. No one gets lynched in a stop. So I don't see the mechanism either that caused the switch. It's probably a secret power.
I was trying to see if I could figure out a baddie secret. But the only way that makes sense is if MM is a baddie and has a secret role switch power or invincibility power that switches his lynch to the player with the 2nd most votes. I guess it's more likely that the lynch switch was caused by a civ...or it's a giant baddie conspiracy where they all voted for Aces to sacrifice him and make themselves look good...this game is hard. When I think about it too much I get all meta and all EPVIOPWP (or whatever). This is the first time I've played where the baddies all have BTSC and we don't. It really is a different game from Donner or Death Note.
Golden wrote:yeah, when I said yesterday I had an inkling the lynch might not happen at all, I thought MM could be maroon and that he might stop the lynch. But I don't think that explains what actually did occur.
I agree. I don't know if it was MM or not but I think a secret is what changed the lynch yesterday.
1) MM saved himself with some kind of secret
2) Someone with BTSC with MM saved MM with some kind of secret (least likely option)
3) Someone really wanted to lynch Aces and switched the lynch with some kind of secret
It seems like we have some really sophisticated players in this game. I don't think that we should eliminate the possibility of the baddie team setting up crazy schemes to mess with us.
Turnip Head wrote:I for one welcome our new zombie and llama overlords. May their reign be long, and may their cases always be on point.
Zomberella12 wrote:I've been trying to figure out how the lynch worked. The judge gets two votes, but that isn't enough to tip it. That must mean that someone has a lynch switch, someone can block votes, or someone besides the judge has extra votes. It doesn't make sense for any of the baddies to use these powers against one of their own (at least I don't think it makes sense). So....I'm gonna try to figure out what this might mean. BBL.
Or someone has negative votes. If MM wasn't a regular offender, I might have thought his vote was worth -1, which if the judge is in the Aces column might make it 6 all? Even if only one person who voted MM (not MM) had a vote that counted for -1.
Still, I think it takes multiple types of vote manipulation to get aces over the line. A secret lynch switch would be the occams razor solution.
Trying to decide if I still suspect MM. It makes no sense for a baddie to switch the lynch to a teammate, so that makes him seem Civ to me. But maybe Smart Ass, as the leader of the baddies, has a secret that his teammates get lynched instead of him?
LOL actually that's not too feasible. We could just lynch MM over and over to take out the whole baddie team. Kind of tempting.
Zomberella12 wrote:I've been trying to figure out how the lynch worked. The judge gets two votes, but that isn't enough to tip it. That must mean that someone has a lynch switch, someone can block votes, or someone besides the judge has extra votes. It doesn't make sense for any of the baddies to use these powers against one of their own (at least I don't think it makes sense). So....I'm gonna try to figure out what this might mean. BBL.
Or someone has negative votes. If MM wasn't a regular offender, I might have thought his vote was worth -1, which if the judge is in the Aces column might make it 6 all? Even if only one person who voted MM (not MM) had a vote that counted for -1.
Still, I think it takes multiple types of vote manipulation to get aces over the line. A secret lynch switch would be the occams razor solution.
Interesting, maybe Stupid's MM vote is worth -1, and Doom voted for Aces. But then, why on earth would Stupid (who I chose because it fits the flavour) vote to get his teammate lynched? That really makes no sense.
Maybe if we say Droopy's vote is worth -1, it could start to become possible. I don't want to get into any over-speculation on that front though, maybe if we see another lynch that doesn't go how we expect.
Linki: Yeah, for MM I am probably leaning toward Civvie this time, but we don't need to belabor the point. And I guess I'll share my secret. I'm pink because I got a sex change.
Long Con wrote:Trying to decide if I still suspect MM. It makes no sense for a baddie to switch the lynch to a teammate, so that makes him seem Civ to me. But maybe Smart Ass, as the leader of the baddies, has a secret that his teammates get lynched instead of him?
LOL actually that's not too feasible. We could just lynch MM over and over to take out the whole baddie team. Kind of tempting.
I think it could make sense to switch it a baddie. That's what we did to MP in WWE mafia.
I have NO time today. TOMORROW is another day. I will re-evaluate tomorrow.
Kind of tempting.
