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Dragon D. Luffy
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Kylemii
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Long Con
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nutella
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Quin
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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Mesk514 wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:47 amTbf, the most recent game i hosted had 750 posts and it was a 5 day long game.... We are only day 2 and this game has heavily surpassed that. I don't know any of you, I don't know your play styles, how you speak... how you act when you lie..... THAT is how I play mafia, like it or not. I see some of you referencing older games, I can't do that... You can't necessarily do that for me as well but let's chat lol. mind you as well I haven't been active, I apologize BUT it's just so overwhelming.
I can sympathize with you on this point. In a manner of speaking I'm kinda new here too. All those names up there? 3 weeks ago I only knew 6 of them. It's hard to get pushed into a new environment with unfamiliar unfamiliar meta's and weirdos and new names to learn and general game mechanics... It's overwhelming.

The thing is, i you use it correctly it can also be a tremendous strength. You have a unique set of mafia skills and experience that only you bring to the table, even if you don't have syndicate-meta knowledge yet. Sometimes examining people's behaviors without meta context makes scum moves easier to see.

I experienced the same thing when I played your game in sc2 and I used it to get away with playing passively, because I was a nasty crime murder boy and because it was easy. I really want you to be a townie so please do your best to prove to me that you're not doing the same thing here.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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While I totally agree, I'm more a consistency play style kinda gyal. So while I intend to use that in my game here, it's only going to come out a bit later as I can only reference pass days for consistency. I'm also not too worried about dying so, i'll be here for a bit.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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See but the thing is, that's exactly what you'd say if you were employing that strategy, isn't it? [mention]Mesk514[/mention]

I just want to see at least a few reads from you, even if they're not strong. What have you got to lose? You seem pretty well liked so far and I don't think anyone is inclined to lynch you 2 days into your first day here so.... Please? For my sake?
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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I'ma kick today off with a rainbow, avoiding yellows to the best of my ability. with lots of yellows given the two replacements and extreme low posters. I hope to find a better place for them today.
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I will take questions. Unless your question is "Why do you have every read you have", in which case, suck a brick.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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DDL, why'd you vote nutella yesterday? Where's it gonna go today? Can you tell me a little bit about those town reads of yours?
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]

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sprityo wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:41 pm
Long Con wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?

And the Rocket Man lyrics response is equally devoid of value. So Epi would have spared his vote for any player who acknowledged his Elton John joke. Why? It doesn't even plant a seed that could grow into a suspicion, it doesn't put anyone on the spot, the only effect is to make cbob slightly more comfortable.
So cut and dry, what does this tie back to? What are you trying to say?
What are you trying to say?
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]

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Long Con wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:46 pm
sprityo wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:43 pmI want to hear more of what LC has to say because he has my ear
That's the opposite of how most people in the thread feel, I think. On any particular subject? Surely not about Epignosis.

Elohcin: ok, I think I have a different way of explaining it.

Quin thought Epi was buddying mesk and bob. In order for him to be right, that Epi is a baddie doing some buddying, he is assuming that mesk and bob are Civ. Are you with me on that?
I never really thought about that, actually. It'd be more likely that they're both town if that's the case, but one shouldn't entirely disregard the tinfoil that one (or even both) of them are his teammates.



But I didn't think any of that at the time. I'm not thorough enough to meet such scumhunting standards. :sigh:
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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What do people think about Sloonei? GTH's, cases, whatever.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 0]

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Elohcin wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:53 pm
Long Con wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:07 am Me too! *vote Epignosis*
Are you still angry from the previous game with epi where he found you out as mafia?

quote=Sloonei post_id=381309 time=1511158093 user_id=405]
Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?
I believe her.

quote="Dragon D. Luffy" post_id=381323 time=1511181545 user_id=399]
I don't like this Epi lynch. Feels like there's a bunch of scum surrounding him like vultures waiting to see if they can lynch him or not. Lots of people "kind of" wanting to vote for him.
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I agree with this.

Posting but still catching up.
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What does Elohcin thinks about the people "kind of" wanting to vote for him? Maybe she's answered this. if not, I'd like one.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 0]

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Elohcin wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:39 am I don't like this Epi lynch. Feels like there's a bunch of scum surrounding him like vultures waiting to see if they can lynch him or not. Lots of people "kind of" wanting to vote for him.
I agree with this.

Posting but still catching up.
What does Elohcin thinks about the people "kind of" wanting to vote for him? Maybe she's answered this. if not, I'd like one.


*ebwop
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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Quin wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:12 am DDL, why'd you vote nutella yesterday? Where's it gonna go today? Can you tell me a little bit about those town reads of yours?
Lemme catch up first. 11 pages.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 1]

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Elohcin wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:42 pm
Long Con wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:36 pm I see Elohcin!
Elohcin wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:34 pm Oh. My. Goodness. Reading this thread is like listening to my children bicker. I'm not done catching up, but I'm over it. This.post below is why I'm voting LC. He admits to making up a reason to accuse epi of being bad. This ia what mafia have to do to look like they are scum-hunting.
Epignosis wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:40 pm
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WHY do you make me DO THIS? I wasn't "identifying" them as Civilians. It's an obvious and necessary assumption in order to be able to accuse you as I have.
Ah. An assumption. Three of them, actually. Glad to hear you admit it.

You have to assume three people are civilians to arrive at the conclusion that I am bad. Let that sink in.

Yet I can't say I'm not going to vote a guy because of Elton John or that I raised an opinion regarding Mesk's response to being big or little. Too bad you didn't quote the next line to "Rocket Man." Because then I would have been buddying you. :nicenod:
That's why you voted for me, Eloh, and I feel like you gained clarity about the misunderstanding. You understood that I didn't "make up a reason to accuse Epi", and yet you left your vote on me. Why?
I still feel like you were voting epi for a nonsense reason which is what mafia will do.
I'm not Elohcin, but when I'm presented with a counter that doesn't ...inspire... me, I'm inclined to press further. Not wait until the lynch is over and I'm prodded with the argument again. I feel like Elohcin just wanted somewhere to put her vote and was pressed for time.

I know it happens constantly, but I'm in ISO mode and this stood out. Hence, post.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 1]

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Epignosis wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:16 am Outside of lynching mafia, that was the best possible Day 1 outcome one could hope for.

I agree with Spacedaisy's post below, but would like to add some commentary.
Spacedaisy wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:43 am I disagree with the Sutter Buttes one. We have not yet had a night in which to turn any actions in. The Sutter Buttes hide a fellow little mountain at night and it decreases the vote tally against them the following day. I think this can be discounted as a reason for what occurred.

If Everest, then it might not be her
If Aconcagua, then it is her
If Pico Cristobal Colon, then it doesn't have to be her, but they must be someone who feels confident using their one time power to save her...
If Matterhorn, ??? we just don't know enough to eliminate this one
Disregarding Sutter Buttes for reasons already stated above...
Olympus Mons, same boat as Matterhorn

This doesn't clear her, but her survival is in no way a clear indication of her being bad. in fact I think her behavior might actually be explained by a couple of these possibilities and leans me even more towards my previous belief that Nutella is not bad.
The most likely scenario is that one of the Long Con voters is Everest. Five out of nineteen is 26.3%.

nutella being Aconcagua is 5.3%.

nutella being Pico Cristobal Colon is 5.3%, while five missing voters is 26.3%. Additionally, it isn't common practice to stop the very first lynch, when the least amount of information is available.

With all the revealed vote manipulation abilities in play, I am less inclined to believe Matterhorn's ability relates to vote manipulation.

I agree that the Sutter Buttes ability was not in play Day 1.

With all the revealed vote manipulation abilities in play, I am less inclined to believe Olympus Mons' ability relates to vote manipulation.


Two more observations:
nutella wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:24 am Let's at least make this a tie k
First, nutella was interested in making it a tie, which implies an advantage to be had on her part if the result was a tie.
Long Con wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:47 pm Thanks, nut!

Hey, are you a little mountain?
nutella wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:48 pm hahahahhah very no
Marmot wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:32 pm Since Mount Everest is the highest mountain in the world
Second, this autocorrect folly:
sprityo wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:43 pm *vote Nutella*

I want to hear more of what LC has to say because he has my ear

From Nutella i haven’t picked up icy over the course of checking in throughout today
sprityo wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:44 pm Picked up anything*

Anything is icy people,

Autocorrect is a gift
nutella wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:04 pm well sprit all I can say is I sure am icy, ha ha
Okay then.

All of these circumstances point to nutella as being cleared. I see no scenario outside of the independent (or an unwise intervention on the part of Senhor 1492) that points to nutella being bad.

And if she is bad, I swear by Fuck Mountain I will flip a table. :suspish:
I don't know shit about Epi aside from that he likes beer and is good at math, but Epi pretended to be ignorant of statistics in a previous Lost game when bad. When he busts out little stuff like this (underlined) I think well of him.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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Heyyyy, Mesk, fellow Canadian!
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]

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Quin wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:06 am
Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:02 am
Quin wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:45 am
Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:41 am
Quin wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:38 am
Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:36 am
Quin wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:47 pm

This following "I move my vote around constantly on Day 1" begs an explanation.
My final Day 1 vote is not the same as a Day 1 pressure vote. I like for that one to be reasoned and informed. All the other ones are just me poking people with a stick. I was saying that I hadn't been convinced that Epi was deserving of a final vote, but that the door was not shut on it.

Epi's not getting my vote today.
Sloonei, are you a little mountain?
No
I asked you to explain why you'd say that about Epi but not throw a vote there to support it, and you told me about the criteria that would have earned Epi your final vote.
huh?
> You throw votes out like candy on Day 1
> I use the word candy because I've given up on my own country's vocabulary
> You suspect Epi but won't put the final vote on him at that time
> I question why he didn't at least earn a pressure vote
> You tell me that your final vote is cast when it's well reasoned
> This exchange does not make me happy
I understanding why you don't like it but I recall random pressure votes really being Sloonei's playstyle.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 1]

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Spacedaisy wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:43 am I disagree with the Sutter Buttes one. We have not yet had a night in which to turn any actions in. The Sutter Buttes hide a fellow little mountain at night and it decreases the vote tally against them the following day. I think this can be discounted as a reason for what occurred.

If Everest, then it might not be her
If Aconcagua, then it is her
If Pico Cristobal Colon, then it doesn't have to be her, but they must be someone who feels confident using their one time power to save her...
If Matterhorn, ??? we just don't know enough to eliminate this one
Disregarding Sutter Buttes for reasons already stated above...
Olympus Mons, same boat as Matterhorn

This doesn't clear her, but her survival is in no way a clear indication of her being bad. in fact I think her behavior might actually be explained by a couple of these possibilities and leans me even more towards my previous belief that Nutella is not bad.
Agree with this. There is a chance someone else is Everest and voted against the Nutella lynch, but the implication she knew it would be a tie gives a high chance she is a civ. Assuming she is not manipulating that in the first place.

She is still playing in a very scummy way, though...
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:03 am
Quin wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:06 am
Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:02 am
Quin wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:45 am
Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:41 am
Quin wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:38 am
Sloonei wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:36 am

My final Day 1 vote is not the same as a Day 1 pressure vote. I like for that one to be reasoned and informed. All the other ones are just me poking people with a stick. I was saying that I hadn't been convinced that Epi was deserving of a final vote, but that the door was not shut on it.

Epi's not getting my vote today.
Sloonei, are you a little mountain?
No
I asked you to explain why you'd say that about Epi but not throw a vote there to support it, and you told me about the criteria that would have earned Epi your final vote.
huh?
> You throw votes out like candy on Day 1
> I use the word candy because I've given up on my own country's vocabulary
> You suspect Epi but won't put the final vote on him at that time
> I question why he didn't at least earn a pressure vote
> You tell me that your final vote is cast when it's well reasoned
> This exchange does not make me happy
I understanding why you don't like it but I recall random pressure votes really being Sloonei's playstyle.
That's not the argument I'm trying to make :why:
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 1]

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Mesk514 wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:06 am Shit... am i even allowed to swear...
This site has a "no asshatery" zero tolerance policy, so do not insult people. But throwing a couple non-directed swears every now and then is fine. We are all adults here (excluding maybe Kyle but he doesn't count).

Sometimes there are actual children playing or hosting, though (i. e. Epi's kids). In that case it's recommended you avoid any swearing whatsoever. But it is not the case of this game.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 1]

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Spacedaisy wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:30 am Oh also, welcome to the site and it's nice to meet you! :daisy:

We occasionally hold family friendly games, but the game outline will clearly stipulate the language rules for that game. And they are rare. We try not to censor language, we only hold fast to our one absolutely line in the sand which is basically that we don't allow any slurs against any person or group based upon their race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. So pretty much "Don't be a dick" sums it up for us. All other language is fair play. But we do tend to try and treat each other with respect while we call each other scummy lying wolves.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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Well ninja'd if your definition for ninja is "not slow as fuck" because I am reading this post literally a day later.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 1]

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Mesk514 wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:47 am Oh and before I forget, what is info dumping?

P.S, I come from a site where teens bully the new players and call them... fags LOL
and as the leader I can't do much :( it's sad
You would like to play mafia in Naruto Forums I think.

We don't call people fags (at least not unironically, that is) but we have a trollish sense of humor.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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My concern with the above is that while Sloonei likes to throw around his votes early and often, he didn't put one on Epi despite essentially declaring him a worthwhile Day 1 lynch candidate. I asked him about that and he danced around that point and told me about how he decides where his final vote of the Day would be made.

He mentioned that Epi already had decent pressure on him at the time, which is basically the response I'd expect from a civilian Sloonei, but since it wasn't his initial response to me it doesn't hold as much weight.

I don't know what his mafia motivation for this is, though.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 1]

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Mesk514 wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:50 am ...........wtf

im tripping... did you just say night posting is a thing.... whats the point of that
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 1]

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:40 pm Kyle looks better two pages later.

I agree with Nutella's assertion about Epi vs LC back and forth. Or about every back and forth, tbh. I usually automatically skim it when I notice it's just two players arguing semantics over and over and whatnot.

That said, Nutella's post complaining about them gave me a bad vibe.

Okay 12 pages left.

This is when I realize to my horror that I've been stuck at 11-13 pages left for a whole day.

Now I'm only 6 pages left. But that's because I stopped trying to read everything thoroughly and now I'm skimming everything.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 1]

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Long Con wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:45 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:39 pmThe only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.
So, according to you, Epi and I must have been sitting in BTSC, rubbing our hands together going, "Oh boy, let's get into it in the thread! This is going to be great! Just watch us cruise to victory by arguing about some logical misundestanding on Day 1, and then BOOM, we win and they'll never know what hit them! :feb: "

I can't believe you actually think this. :haha:
Epi is going to reply with "I've only done that once in mafia syndicate".

But fuck it. There is always a second time.

He did the exact thing you are describing in Guess Who mafia.

So he is is capable of it. Maybe he does it only once every 50 games. But Im'm pretty sure he played more than 50 games here so that's irrelevant.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 1]

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Epignosis wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:08 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:58 pm
Long Con wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:45 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:39 pmThe only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.
So, according to you, Epi and I must have been sitting in BTSC, rubbing our hands together going, "Oh boy, let's get into it in the thread! This is going to be great! Just watch us cruise to victory by arguing about some logical misundestanding on Day 1, and then BOOM, we win and they'll never know what hit them! :feb: "

I can't believe you actually think this. :haha:
I have played on baddie teams with Epi, I most certainly do believe that he would love to bus his teammate right off the bat.
Another common unfounded belief about me. I don't know why it keeps coming up. I most certainly do not like the idea of bussing a teammate right off the bat (or ever). I've done it literally one time in history (DDL in Guess Who?) and it was for the sheer novelty of it, as I had never done it before. The only other occasions I recall bussing a teammate was out of necessity because the teammate had already talked himself into a corner and there wasn't any coming back from it (Scotty in one of G-Man's games was one of those rare instances).

Spacedaisy wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:58 pm And you guys always go after each other, every game you play together without fail. You both know to do otherwise would look suspicious. I doubt the topic of your shouting at each other was worked out in advance. So now you are telling me you think it was all a misunderstanding? You don't believe Epi is supicious?

My issue with your whole back and forth was this, you were reaching to the max and you know it. And Epi didn't respond like someone who really wants to get you lynched even though he should have if he were civ. Neither of you behaved normally in this.

Linki: That possibility is the only thing making me feel like this might all be tinfoiling and exactly why I didn't vote for LC in the last lynch. Also why I have decided either you two are baddies together or you (Epi) are civ.
I didn't really want to get LC lynched outside of the mindset that, whether he was good or not, if he got lynched, I wouldn't have to waste my time with his crappy accusations against me. I knew that was my mindset, and that I had been there before, and that if LC isn't bad and I'm only dissatisfied with his performance, I'm not helping myself by trying to get him lynched.

Doing the same thing over and over isn't normal. Learning from the past is.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little mountains."

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Oh damn ninja'd again.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]

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speedchuck wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:23 pm
speedchuck wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)
LC would not have, as scum, taken one of the danciest, hardest-to-lynch targets and formed a stupid argument to try and lynch him. My meta on LC says this sincere, earnest, and suicidal lynchlust comes from a town headspace.

And seriously, who would target Epi as their easy D1 lynch?

Motive-wise, it makes zero sense for LC to be scum outside of tinfoil land.
That depends on what you think LC's intent is.

"try to lynch" doesn't implicate in actually having that person's lynch as the only goal.

When I am bad I try to lynch people but I don't mind if they don't actually get lynched. The first and most important intent for me is to look civ, not to try to move the game into lynching Civ A or Civ B.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]

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Epignosis wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:02 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:21 pm
Dom wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:22 pm y'all talk too much
I'm not voting for Dom on Day 2. For this is the best post in the thread.
He makes it every game.
Yeah but in this game I actually agree with him all the way.

(not really, tbh. It's delightful to see all this activity in the Syndicate. Please keep doing it)
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]

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Quin wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:17 am
sprityo wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:41 pm
Long Con wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?

And the Rocket Man lyrics response is equally devoid of value. So Epi would have spared his vote for any player who acknowledged his Elton John joke. Why? It doesn't even plant a seed that could grow into a suspicion, it doesn't put anyone on the spot, the only effect is to make cbob slightly more comfortable.
So cut and dry, what does this tie back to? What are you trying to say?
What are you trying to say?
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:25 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:29 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:55 pm I've said my piece on today's lynch. Plenty of other people haven't provided much content so I'll give them a chance to catch up or speak.

I'll be lurking until EOD in case anyone has questions or I need to move my vote.
This post gives me a very political vibe.

I hate politicians.
I have four times as many posts as you, you're annoyed at all the posts but me stopping posting for the night is bad indicative.

K.
You are interpreted it wrong.

I couldn't care less about you stopping for the night.

I just didn't like the way you put it. Seems like you are reading yourself for a possible jump near EoD to save a teammate, while at the same time excusing yourself for not posting.

You don't need to relay that kind of information if you are a civ. I'm looking at your motivation for doing it. Feels like a politician wanting to excuse bad deeds.
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Quin wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:51 am I will take questions. Unless your question is "Why do you have every read you have", in which case, suck a brick.
Why do you have every read you have except for the yellow ones? :p
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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DDl, both times you got ninja'd, you were clarifying a point that had little or nothing to do with solving the game. We both know the "that time Epi bussed" story very well, as do the majority of the players here, because it has come up many times. Not only are you commenting on things that have already been taken care of (ninja'd), but they are things that get your mouth moving but not the game. That does not look good to me; I am considering adding my vote to you, because the stars are aligning that way already. It's early in the day though.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 1]

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:26 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:34 pm sloonei
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LC

There, just looked at the thread and listed the people.

Now imma go back to catch up.
You think LC only kinda wanted to lynch Epi?

What thread are you reading?
Allow me to fix your sentence.

"you thought, three days ago, after reading the first 4 pages, that LC only kinda wanted to lynch Epi?"

And the answer is yes. That's what I thought at the time.

Now I'm more on the fence about that. Seems to me that either LC is a civ who actually tried to lynch Epi, or a baddie who went at it not being sure he would succeed but trying anyway.
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Long Con wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:01 am DDl, both times you got ninja'd, you were clarifying a point that had little or nothing to do with solving the game. We both know the "that time Epi bussed" story very well, as do the majority of the players here, because it has come up many times. Not only are you commenting on things that have already been taken care of (ninja'd), but they are things that get your mouth moving but not the game. That does not look good to me; I am considering adding my vote to you, because the stars are aligning that way already. It's early in the day though.
Though luck. I like to comment on things as I catch up. I will nor refrain from doing that if I think other people may think they are not important enough.
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Quin wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:28 am What do people think about Sloonei? GTH's, cases, whatever.
Lean town. From what little exposure I have seems like town Sloonei, I like the questions and prodding people. Not enough reads or firm statements that I recall to make me really solidify the town read though.
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:03 am... went at it not being sure he would succeed but trying anyway.
...describes everything meaningful I ever do in a game.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 1]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:34 pm
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:26 pm I hate this argument about ties.

One of Kyle and Jack is bad.

Calling it now.

I appreciate that this read exists, but I don't know what motivates it. Tell me more about the argument about ties and why you hate it and why that reflects this way on Kyle/Jack. This is a serious request, I am not entirely clearly on that argument myself yet.
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There was on NF game a while ago where I found a baddie on Day 2 like this: she spent 10 (20ppp) pages on Day 1 going back and forth with a civ. The civ in questions is one of the worst players to ever appear on the internet. He was arguing something bogus like his right of not scumhunting on day 1 because day 1 is always useless. People lynched him for it. I instead went after her, because I noticed she was taking advantage of him to look like she was contributing when she wasn't. I got night killed, but then on day 2 people followed the case on her and she flipped bad.

I thought I saw the same pattern on Kyle vs Jack. Kyle argued some sub-optimal strategy (tieing votes) and Jack decided to argue with him for a long time about it. Or maybe Kyle posted it, Jack took the bait, and Kyle took the advantage to spend a long time arguing about it. Either way, the point is: if I see two players arguing for a long time about something not related to scumhunting, I will suspect at least one of them is wasting everyone's time on purpose. Hence my point.

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LC

There, just looked at the thread and listed the people.

Now imma go back to catch up.

This was in response to a prod by Sloonei to expand on his grievance with the Epignosis voters I mentioned earlier. The addition of names is good, but it's unclear what the reader should be doing with them. It's typically not such a chore to get this sort of content from DDL given that he thrives on pressure as a civilian.

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More puke later.
Ok, time out. I'm not letting you do this shit again.

We played one game in 2015 (Economics Mafia) where you formed an opinion of me (a rather positive one it seems, which makes me happy). But since then it seems you have holding every game I play to that standard.

In 2016, you came in as a replacement in Turf Wars. You read my posts, decided I was not playing identically to Economics Mafia, and led a succesfuls lynch on me. I had gone through a very long and arduous proccess of making people think I was a civ that took multiple phases, and you came and destroyed everything in less than 24 hours, by making people give in to their old doubts and suspicions. I flipped civ. Also since then I have been banning people from replacing late in games I host because I hate when that kind of thing happens.

I'm not mad at you for it (that game was a barrel of emotions for me which I've long overcome anyway), but I'm seeing you do that again and I'm telling you that it won't work. My playstyle has gone through a lot of changes since I joined this site. Mainly because I have the worst W/L ratio of any regular in Mafia Syndicate, which has forced me to make changes. I may or may not necessarily rely on pressure. I may or may not necessarily follow up on old suspicions, and I now avoid tunneling on people like my life depends on it. I change my playstyle every game. In fact, as I said early, I'm trying to change it a little in this very game.

As for this game, you and other people are questioning that post, so here is the thing. I commented on what I thought was a general push by mafia on a civ, so I decided I wanted to throw a wrench on it. I did not form detailed reads on all the people doing it, as that wasn't my intention and I didn't think I had the ability to do that (this is a hallmark of my newer playstyle btw. I work under the assumption that my sumchunting skills are horseshit and doubt myself all the time).

There have been hundreds of posts after the fact. Collectively, they weigh way more than it. I don't want to stick to it forever. Sloonei has posted things that made me feel better about him. Nutella posted things that made me feel worse, and later got physical indication of being a civ (the tie stuff) that now makes me not want to vote for her anymore. LC posted things that made him look both better or worse at times. That early Day 1 evidence has long been archived in my scumhunting process, and you guys are wanting me to give importance to something that has none.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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Nobody wants to discuss why it's Day 2 and everybody is still alive? Okay.

Possibility #1: Aconcagua was targeted with the kill.

Possibility #2: Chimborazo was targeted with the kill and borrowed Aconcagua ability that same night.

Possibility #3: Kilimanjaro was targeted with the kill and activated its ability that same night (which I hope isn't the case).

Possibility #4: Mont Blanc did the Tube Snake Boogie and one of the above also happened.

Possibility #5: Matterhorn ???

Possibility #6: Olympus Mons ???

Possibility #7: Wrekin, England is the only member of the team able to submit a kill, and he was asleep at the hill.

Am I missing any?

++++

Off-topic, but I noticed the roles used to say "Puncak Jaya may send a storm to another player each night" and that a storm was a silence or curse of choice. Either I am remembering wrong, or that was edited. :ponder:
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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Epignosis wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:27 amOff-topic, but I noticed the roles used to say "Puncak Jaya may send a storm to another player each night" and that a storm was a silence or curse of choice. Either I am remembering wrong, or that was edited. :ponder:
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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Epignosis wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:27 am Nobody wants to discuss why it's Day 2 and everybody is still alive? Okay.

Possibility #1: Aconcagua was targeted with the kill.

Possibility #2: Chimborazo was targeted with the kill and borrowed Aconcagua ability that same night.

Possibility #3: Kilimanjaro was targeted with the kill and activated its ability that same night (which I hope isn't the case).

Possibility #4: Mont Blanc did the Tube Snake Boogie and one of the above also happened.

Possibility #5: Matterhorn ???

Possibility #6: Olympus Mons ???

Possibility #7: Wrekin, England is the only member of the team able to submit a kill, and he was asleep at the hill.

Am I missing any?

++++

Off-topic, but I noticed the roles used to say "Puncak Jaya may send a storm to another player each night" and that a storm was a silence or curse of choice. Either I am remembering wrong, or that was edited. :ponder:
Yeah, it said "silence or insanity of your choice" I believe.

If I were Kilimanjaro, I would have activated my ability last night. You never know how long you're going to last in a game, and I'd really feel silly if I got nightkilled with three protections in my pocket. I guess you think it's strategically better to wait until later game?

I would have a problem with a host who allowed a single inactive player to prevent the team from making a night 1 kill, because that's bullshit.

Why did you mention #4?
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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Long Con wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:48 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:27 am Nobody wants to discuss why it's Day 2 and everybody is still alive? Okay.

Possibility #1: Aconcagua was targeted with the kill.

Possibility #2: Chimborazo was targeted with the kill and borrowed Aconcagua ability that same night.

Possibility #3: Kilimanjaro was targeted with the kill and activated its ability that same night (which I hope isn't the case).

Possibility #4: Mont Blanc did the Tube Snake Boogie and one of the above also happened.

Possibility #5: Matterhorn ???

Possibility #6: Olympus Mons ???

Possibility #7: Wrekin, England is the only member of the team able to submit a kill, and he was asleep at the hill.

Am I missing any?

++++

Off-topic, but I noticed the roles used to say "Puncak Jaya may send a storm to another player each night" and that a storm was a silence or curse of choice. Either I am remembering wrong, or that was edited. :ponder:
Yeah, it said "silence or insanity of your choice" I believe.

If I were Kilimanjaro, I would have activated my ability last night. You never know how long you're going to last in a game, and I'd really feel silly if I got nightkilled with three protections in my pocket. I guess you think it's strategically better to wait until later game?

I would have a problem with a host who allowed a single inactive player to prevent the team from making a night 1 kill, because that's bullshit.

Why did you mention #4?
:ponder:

Either I misread it the first time, or Kilimanjaro was edited too. My reaction reading it originally was, "If you activate your ability, you have effectively killed yourself, because now you don't have a vote." Now I see Kilimanjaro will have a vote worth one less for the following Day only. That's good news then.

I raise #7 because I've seen things like that before. In Street Fighter, only a certain member could kill each Night, and that kill rotated through the team. I realize that isn't the same thing, but an inactive teammate could have cost the team a kill.

Is #4 not a possibility? "Mont Blanc Tunnel - Blanc may switch two players, switching their targets as well as redirecting night actions targeted at one to the other." I just went down the roles and posted every conceivable circumstance.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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I am now feeling bad for my aggressive tone in my previous post towards Jay. I apologize. I just wanted to say I was annoyed at the prospect of history repeating itself
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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Epignosis wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:57 am
Long Con wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:48 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:27 am Nobody wants to discuss why it's Day 2 and everybody is still alive? Okay.

Possibility #1: Aconcagua was targeted with the kill.

Possibility #2: Chimborazo was targeted with the kill and borrowed Aconcagua ability that same night.

Possibility #3: Kilimanjaro was targeted with the kill and activated its ability that same night (which I hope isn't the case).

Possibility #4: Mont Blanc did the Tube Snake Boogie and one of the above also happened.

Possibility #5: Matterhorn ???

Possibility #6: Olympus Mons ???

Possibility #7: Wrekin, England is the only member of the team able to submit a kill, and he was asleep at the hill.

Am I missing any?

++++

Off-topic, but I noticed the roles used to say "Puncak Jaya may send a storm to another player each night" and that a storm was a silence or curse of choice. Either I am remembering wrong, or that was edited. :ponder:
Yeah, it said "silence or insanity of your choice" I believe.

If I were Kilimanjaro, I would have activated my ability last night. You never know how long you're going to last in a game, and I'd really feel silly if I got nightkilled with three protections in my pocket. I guess you think it's strategically better to wait until later game?

I would have a problem with a host who allowed a single inactive player to prevent the team from making a night 1 kill, because that's bullshit.

Why did you mention #4?
:ponder:

Either I misread it the first time, or Kilimanjaro was edited too. My reaction reading it originally was, "If you activate your ability, you have effectively killed yourself, because now you don't have a vote." Now I see Kilimanjaro will have a vote worth one less for the following Day only. That's good news then.

I raise #7 because I've seen things like that before. In Street Fighter, only a certain member could kill each Night, and that kill rotated through the team. I realize that isn't the same thing, but an inactive teammate could have cost the team a kill.

Is #4 not a possibility? "Mont Blanc Tunnel - Blanc may switch two players, switching their targets as well as redirecting night actions targeted at one to the other." I just went down the roles and posted every conceivable circumstance.
That's what I always recall seeing on Kilimanjaro. :shrug:

#4 is a possibility to have happened, but I don't think it could have caused the no-kill. It's sort of like saying that Denali might have found Logan (don't search me it's not a hint) ... might have happened, but didn't cause the no-kill. It might have fooled the baddies into believing false info about the no-kill though.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 1]

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nutella wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:06 pm Good puke Jay. I quite enjoyed the "meta pajamas" analogy. :p I also found your assessment of Jack to have merit and will keep that in mind as I sort out how I feel about him. And I agree with your funky vibes from DDL; even given that he's been posting while catching up, a lot of his posts have felt vague and directionless.

Tell me how you feel about all of the players whose usernames begin with S: sig, Sloonei, Spacedaisy, speedchuck, and sprityo.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]

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speedchuck wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:38 pm
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Dom wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:22 pm y'all talk too much
I'm not voting for Dom on Day 2. For this is the best post in the thread.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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Quin wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:25 am My concern with the above is that while Sloonei likes to throw around his votes early and often, he didn't put one on Epi despite essentially declaring him a worthwhile Day 1 lynch candidate. I asked him about that and he danced around that point and told me about how he decides where his final vote of the Day would be made.

He mentioned that Epi already had decent pressure on him at the time, which is basically the response I'd expect from a civilian Sloonei, but since it wasn't his initial response to me it doesn't hold as much weight.

I don't know what his mafia motivation for this is, though.
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Quin wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:25 am My concern with the above is that while Sloonei likes to throw around his votes early and often, he didn't put one on Epi despite essentially declaring him a worthwhile Day 1 lynch candidate. I asked him about that and he danced around that point and told me about how he decides where his final vote of the Day would be made.

He mentioned that Epi already had decent pressure on him at the time, which is basically the response I'd expect from a civilian Sloonei, but since it wasn't his initial response to me it doesn't hold as much weight.

I don't know what his mafia motivation for this is, though.
Ok that's a good point.

Also agree with the last one. Seems a bit convoluted of a plan.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 1]

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Long Con wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:05 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:03 am... went at it not being sure he would succeed but trying anyway.
...describes everything meaningful I ever do in a game.
Depends. Maybe you don't even want to lynch Epi. You are just throwing shit in the fan so people look at the shit and think "LC is doing a lot of work. He civ".
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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Epignosis wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:27 am Nobody wants to discuss why it's Day 2 and everybody is still alive? Okay.

Possibility #1: Aconcagua was targeted with the kill.

Possibility #2: Chimborazo was targeted with the kill and borrowed Aconcagua ability that same night.

Possibility #3: Kilimanjaro was targeted with the kill and activated its ability that same night (which I hope isn't the case).

Possibility #4: Mont Blanc did the Tube Snake Boogie and one of the above also happened.

Possibility #5: Matterhorn ???

Possibility #6: Olympus Mons ???

Possibility #7: Wrekin, England is the only member of the team able to submit a kill, and he was asleep at the hill.

Am I missing any?

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Off-topic, but I noticed the roles used to say "Puncak Jaya may send a storm to another player each night" and that a storm was a silence or curse of choice. Either I am remembering wrong, or that was edited. :ponder:
I tend to pass on this kind of exercise where there are 7 different possibilities and no way to guess which one of them is right. Though it might be more useful once we get some role flips.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 2]

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Changed my vote to jack
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