Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[DrWilgy]

Here's the tldr [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention].

I'm good. Marmot may be bad.

Sloondog or Kyle is bad but both both.

Mac may be Epi or Kyle teammate compatible.

Hazlenut is cute.

I'm buddying Speedchuck.

Disregard everything J3 says.

[Epignosis]

I taught my kids chess.

Ran the MK shit all by myself.

Still have four votes?

[Sloonei]

I mean, look at this contradiction. Zero people have commented on this:

This was the turn in the conversation that I really didn't like, and still do not. If this is what Kyle assumed, then why did he launch so quickly into defense mode? why was it his objective to negate and dismiss a prod which he presumed to be disingenuous, rather than simply observing that it was disingenuous? This might be my least favorite post in the thread.

this implies that i should ever ignore lies being told about me and assume the liar must have good intentions. i disagree with that on principle based on the fact that this is mafia? lies and innaccurate statements should always be called out.

But you acknowledged in this same breath that you were pretty sure this particular lie was just a standard mafia ploy. If this is your interpretation, why was it so important to refute it first?

"pretty sure this particular lie was just a standard mafia ploy" again that's false. I said I was pretty sure he was lying cus factually speaking there were no consistencies between this game and sc2. The reasoning was still unknown.

Hmmmmm?

i actually kinda assumed you were lying for standard day zero jay-prod purposes?

Does no one else see why I feel bad about this?

I am out of context and don't know what the problem here is.

On Day 0 Kyle made the statement that "Jay was lying for standard day zero prod purposes." A couple of hours ago he denied this and claimed that he thought Jay was lying because there were "no consistencies" in his argument.

[Marmot]

Here's the tldr Spacedaisy.

I'm good. Marmot may be bad.

Sloondog or Kyle is bad but both both.

Mac may be Epi or Kyle teammate compatible.

Hazlenut is cute.

I'm buddying Speedchuck.

Disregard everything J3 says.

What about all the quiet people?

Anyway, pretty sure DrWilgy is civilian here, because he only talked about the people who are talking a lot, meaning he has been reading the thread somewhat thoroughly, meaning he knows who is butting heads with who.



Into the green for him.

[MacDougall]

Ok, holy shit ya'll! I left for work and thought maybe I could slowly catch up on the last three pages. Now there are ten more. There is no way I can catch up with this before the day ends so I'm probably going to random vote between the people earning votes.

Nah ask for cliffnotes or something. This isn't cool.

[MacDougall]

Here's the tldr @Spacedaisy.

I'm good. Marmot may be bad.

Sloondog or Kyle is bad but not both.

Mac may be Epi or Kyle teammate compatible.

Hazlenut is cute.

I'm buddying Speedchuck.

Disregard everything J3 says.

This is all accurate except I would add that Wilgy is also probably bad and I fixed a typo.

[Epignosis]

You've made an effort to analyze the contents of Epignosis' feces.

Alcohol and fiber. Alcohol and fiber. Alcohol and fiber. Some shingle fragments. Alcohol and fiber.

[MacDougall]

Here's the tldr Spacedaisy.

I'm good. Marmot may be bad.

Sloondog or Kyle is bad but both both.

Mac may be Epi or Kyle teammate compatible.

Hazlenut is cute.

I'm buddying Speedchuck.

Disregard everything J3 says.

What about all the quiet people?

Anyway, pretty sure DrWilgy is civilian here, because he only talked about the people who are talking a lot, meaning he has been reading the thread somewhat thoroughly, meaning he knows who is butting heads with who.



Into the green for him.

The reason you two became the threat subject is primarily because you were in group 3 of my actual rainbow and I started using POE on the players I was mafia reading in group 1.

As it stands I would prefer a nutella lynch but I don't see that happening. You are the next best via my deductions.

[Sloonei]

Does no one else see why I feel bad about this?

He suspected I was lying because there was no logical way he could find that I couldn't be in the only mafia-aligned game he'd played in recent memory. And he was inclined to attribute that lie to a standard JJJ prod.

What's the problem?

The problem, I guess, is in a part of the post I neglected to highlight.

This was the turn in the conversation that I really didn't like, and still do not. If this is what Kyle assumed, then why did he launch so quickly into defense mode? why was it his objective to negate and dismiss a prod which he presumed to be disingenuous, rather than simply observing that it was disingenuous? This might be my least favorite post in the thread.

this implies that i should ever ignore lies being told about me and assume the liar must have good intentions. i disagree with that on principle based on the fact that this is mafia? lies and innaccurate statements should always be called out.

But you acknowledged in this same breath that you were pretty sure this particular lie was just a standard mafia ploy. If this is your interpretation, why was it so important to refute it first?

"pretty sure this particular lie was just a standard mafia ploy" again that's false. I said I was pretty sure he was lying cus factually speaking there were no consistencies between this game and sc2. The reasoning was still unknown.

He denies the quote I pulled from Day 0 and applies a revised meaning to it.

[MacDougall]

*thread subject

[DrWilgy]

Anyway, pretty sure DrWilgy is civilian here, because he only talked about the people who are talking a lot, meaning he has been reading the thread somewhat thoroughly, meaning he knows who is butting heads with who.



Into the green for him.

You aren't takiing me down with you!! Stoooooop!!

[MacDougall]

Marmot is it fair to say your vote for Epi is a self preservation vote or are you going to try to convince us it's based on analysis of some kind?

[speedchuck]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

Kylemii == cBob

Think about it

[speedchuck]

Darnit nutella pointed it out first

[Epignosis]

sloonei with all due respect I'm done responding to you. your case is bad and you're only being repetitive and I have family over that I should be hanging out with, I can't be a good family member, and respond to you, and also make a good decision for this day phase at the same time. I can do 1, maybe 2 of those things but not all 3.

Sloonei's case is literally the only thing I haven't read in this thread (except what I haven't read that I am going to read). I have never known anyone to pour that much effort into a Day 1 case as that.

There are three mafia. Not one. If Sloonei feels he has a fish (you), he can afford to cast his net for others. And I don't see him doing that.

[Sloonei]

also this:

getting lynched for day 1 bullshit used to be my #1 cause of death.

You described my post as "unhelpful" earlier. why?

because it was unhelpful

all you did was sharpen the focus on something that was already being focused on

is that value added?

This post reminds me so much of ScummyJimmyJay's argument that Mesk's posts featured "no civilian utility" in Mountain Mafia.

[Spacedaisy]

Let me rephrase this, I am not casting a random vote. That was poorly chosen wording. I am going to cast my vote on someone who already, butnot randomly. I really would like to vote the same way as Kyle for two reasons. As far as I was caught up (only page 9) I felt like Sloonei's behavior around Kyle/Jay in the first few pages was the most shady. In particular the long post where he did one word characterizations of Kyles posts. I can expand on this more after work but I just don't have the time now. I also trust Kyle more than any other after the half the thread I've read, so the fact his vote is there too makes me feel that much more confident in my vote. I only wish more people would consider a vote there.

[Epignosis]

I decided I'd rather see two people who aren't contributing well enough for me to analyse (my group 3) lynched and you two are the best choice the group because you've made the most posts.

Epignosis, please talk to me about this sentence.

I don't know whom Mac is talking to here and I am not spending my time going back to look.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I decided I'd rather see two people who aren't contributing well enough for me to analyse (my group 3) lynched and you two are the best choice the group because you've made the most posts.

Epignosis, please talk to me about this sentence.

I don't know whom Mac is talking to here and I am not spending my time going back to look.

You don't need context. See the bold and tell me about it.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei

Kylemii == cBob

Think about it

I'm not as confident as my verbosity is making me seem, but I don't feel like any of my major concerns are being discussed or resolved at all. I'm here to discuss suspects. Kyle is my top suspect. I'm also trying to understand the other cases in the game right now. Tell me about things.

[Marmot]

Marmot is it fair to say your vote for Epi is a self preservation vote or are you going to try to convince us it's based on analysis of some kind?

I didn't like what he said when I had 0 votes.

[Sloonei]

sloonei with all due respect I'm done responding to you. your case is bad and you're only being repetitive and I have family over that I should be hanging out with, I can't be a good family member, and respond to you, and also make a good decision for this day phase at the same time. I can do 1, maybe 2 of those things but not all 3.

Sloonei's case is literally the only thing I haven't read in this thread (except what I haven't read that I am going to read). I have never known anyone to pour that much effort into a Day 1 case as that.

There are three mafia. Not one. If Sloonei feels he has a fish (you), he can afford to cast his net for others. And I don't see him doing that.

Is this a point for or against me?

[Sloonei]

Let me rephrase this, I am not casting a random vote. That was poorly chosen wording. I am going to cast my vote on someone who already, butnot randomly. I really would like to vote the same way as Kyle for two reasons. As far as I was caught up (only page 9) I felt like Sloonei's behavior around Kyle/Jay in the first few pages was the most shady. In particular the long post where he did one word characterizations of Kyles posts. I can expand on this more after work but I just don't have the time now. I also trust Kyle more than any other after the half the thread I've read, so the fact his vote is there too makes me feel that much more confident in my vote. I only wish more people would consider a vote there.

[nutella]

I'm confused about the "lying" points but I think Sloonei may be misinterpreting what Kyle meant because there are a bunch of semantically confusing things going on there. I don't think Kyle would deliberately deny saying something/claim he'd said something else without some basis that was valid from his perspective. I think I can sort of see an interpretation that is not contradictory that perhaps Sloonei isn't getting but I'd have to study it a little more closely to be able to fully grasp it. Language is hard you guys

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] randomizing between the players in the running is a terrible idea and you know it. Either do your best to find a reason for one, or place your vote somewhere inconsequential. If you arbitrarily choose one of the candidates in a tight race I will probably assume you have bad intentions.

linki: oh ok you are giving a valid reason. Thanks

[Epignosis]

Can somebody summarize the cases against marmot and epi for me? I've seen discussion of them, but it's hard to pin down the central points.

You call me a civilian and you need central points on me?

Fuck out of here. I don't care if you "townread" me. You wrote a dissertation on Kylemii. You could spent five minutes to figure out why the ladies love me.

[Epignosis]

Sloonei doesn't care about the roof.

[speedchuck]

Whose idea was it to create the false dilemma of lynching myself or DrWilgy because we are "cruising making jokes" when that is not what is happening.

I'm looking at you MacDougall.

I decided I'd rather see two people who aren't contributing well enough for me to analyse (my group 3) lynched and you two are the best choice the group because you've made the most posts. Then someone else said they had a town read on Wilgy so we're frog marching you off the roof unless you can show some reason why we shouldn't ...

Tell us your reads. Do something. Sure, come at the person who decided to start a wagon on you that's fine. Anything is good if you're a civ and don't want to be lynched.

That's ridiculous. Your original rainbow list had me in the green section. How am I suddenly your primary lynch target because you decided I'm not contributing enough (after I actually started contributing) and because someone else had a town read of DrWilgy?

I don't like this post. I can excuse Marmot not being aware of Mac copying speedchuck's rainbow, but I don't like the way he dismisses the possibility of Mac having a change of opinion.

Mac said he suspected him because of POE. Meaning that "I have reason to townread everyone but you." Marmot's response makes sense.

[speedchuck]

Sloonei doesn't care about the roof.

Hot damn I'm in

[speedchuck]

And I know I phone posted that sloonei was town because of his detailed read. Sorry.

[Epignosis]

I replaced my mouse, but my keyboard is still shit. That should say "You couldn't spend"

[Marmot]

Here's the tldr Spacedaisy.

I'm good. Marmot may be bad.

Sloondog or Kyle is bad but both both.

Mac may be Epi or Kyle teammate compatible.

Hazlenut is cute.

I'm buddying Speedchuck.

Disregard everything J3 says.

What about all the quiet people?

Anyway, pretty sure DrWilgy is civilian here, because he only talked about the people who are talking a lot, meaning he has been reading the thread somewhat thoroughly, meaning he knows who is butting heads with who.



Into the green for him.

The reason you two became the threat subject is primarily because you were in group 3 of my actual rainbow and I started using POE on the players I was mafia reading in group 1.

As it stands I would prefer a nutella lynch but I don't see that happening. You are the next best via my deductions.

You separated the players in this game into three groups based on contributions, had mafia reads in the top group, but chose to vote for a player in the bottom group because of PoE that you employed on the top group?

You're still here right now. Why are you nudging my lynch instead of pushing a nutella lynch?

[nutella]

Sloonei doesn't care about the roof.

First time I've agreed with you all game.

[Sloonei]

Can somebody summarize the cases against marmot and epi for me? I've seen discussion of them, but it's hard to pin down the central points.

You call me a civilian and you need central points on me?

Fuck out of here. I don't care if you "townread" me. You wrote a dissertation on Kylemii. You could spent five minutes to figure out why the ladies love me.

I have a Day 1 civilian read on you. I want to know why other people don't.
I wrote a dissertation on Kyle and it was exhausting. I preferred to engage in direct discussion after that. Everyone's just been focused on telling me I'm tunneling on Kyle. I haven't gotten many answers to anything tonight and it's been frustrating.

[Marmot]

That said, I don't think we should lynch nutella at all. She's a civilian.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I need to see whether there's precedent for a civilian Epignosis giving me a Day 1 pass when he suspects me. Civilian Epignosis has suspected me many times so there should be something to find. RED vs. BLUE sets a precedent for mafia Epignosis to give me as Day 1 pass when he suspects me. I'll look into it.

I can't find any other suspicion which heated up on Day 1. Our combat in the past seemed to focus on Day 2.

[Sloonei]

I need to see whether there's precedent for a civilian Epignosis giving me a Day 1 pass when he suspects me. Civilian Epignosis has suspected me many times so there should be something to find. RED vs. BLUE sets a precedent for mafia Epignosis to give me as Day 1 pass when he suspects me. I'll look into it.

I can't find any other suspicion which heated up on Day 1. Our combat in the past seemed to focus on Day 2.

Tell these butt heads not to lynch me.

[Marmot]

I need to see whether there's precedent for a civilian Epignosis giving me a Day 1 pass when he suspects me. Civilian Epignosis has suspected me many times so there should be something to find. RED vs. BLUE sets a precedent for mafia Epignosis to give me as Day 1 pass when he suspects me. I'll look into it.

I can't find any other suspicion which heated up on Day 1. Our combat in the past seemed to focus on Day 2.

Tell these butt heads not to lynch me.

Tell them not to lynch me!!!

[speedchuck]

I am about to be gone.
Town:
Speed
Nutella
Wilgy
Dizzy
Mac

Maybe town:
FZ
Epi
JJJ
Kylemii
Marmot

Ugh?:
Daisy
LC
Nova
Dave
Sloonei

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think Sloonei is a good lynch. "Tunnel Kyle" is an unnecessary method to pursue either credit or a mislynch. Why go about it that way?

[Sloonei]

I need to see whether there's precedent for a civilian Epignosis giving me a Day 1 pass when he suspects me. Civilian Epignosis has suspected me many times so there should be something to find. RED vs. BLUE sets a precedent for mafia Epignosis to give me as Day 1 pass when he suspects me. I'll look into it.

I can't find any other suspicion which heated up on Day 1. Our combat in the past seemed to focus on Day 2.

Tell these butt heads not to lynch me.

Tell them not to lynch me!!!

Hey don't lynch Marmot. That's a lazy, bad, sloppy lynch.

[Sloonei]

I am about to be gone.
Town:
Speed
Nutella
Wilgy
Dizzy
Mac

Maybe town:
FZ
Epi
JJJ
Kylemii
Marmot

Ugh?:
Daisy
LC
Nova
Dave
Sloonei

"Here's an abrupt 180 and a vote on Sloonei an hour before the deadline, bye."

[Marmot]

I don't think Sloonei is a good lynch. "Tunnel Kyle" is an unnecessary method to pursue either credit or a mislynch. Why go about it that way?

Your vote is on Marmot. Is that a good lynch?

[Sloonei]

Did daisy just drop a vote on me and bounce? Yuck. If I get lynched, look at her first.
If I survive, I'll make sure we look at her first.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Who should be lynched, Sloonei?

[Marmot]

Did daisy just drop a vote on me and bounce? Yuck. If I get lynched, look at her first.
If I survive, I'll make sure we look at her first.

I didn't like it either, but I was going to wait and see what happened first.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think Sloonei is a good lynch. "Tunnel Kyle" is an unnecessary method to pursue either credit or a mislynch. Why go about it that way?

Your vote is on Marmot. Is that a good lynch?

I think it's a better lynch than Sloonei.

[speedchuck]

I could lynch Daisy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I moved my vote.

[nutella]

Where the heck is LC anyway

[Sloonei]

Who should be lynched, Sloonei?

I'd still like to talk about Kyle, but I could probably afford to take a step back from him.
Daisy hasn't looked good in any of her four posts.
I'm still open to hearing the case on Epi even though he thinks I shouldn't have to.