Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't even know the issue here. We're not in lylo or mylo or whatever. Lynch me tomorrow if you're not satisfied.

This is the most bored plea I've ever seen.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't interpret this as a power claim.

Agreed.

[Long Con]

the only civ way what he's saying is true is if he's Avram and...

A message from Avram:
Kyle and Long Con seem like good places to start.

he's not Avram.

And neither are you. And yet, I promise that I can prove to at least one person that I'm Civ.

Now you are throwing out a hail Mary to draw out civilian powers you want gone.

I know that trick.

Be gone, Long Con.

I don't actually know that trick. I can't recall ever seeing that trick.

Nobody reveal your Civ powers.

lol

I definitely used that trick in my early lostpedia days and I'm 80% sure you were one of the people who called me out on it.

And yet, I know that I'm 100% positive that I was being honest. I have no recollection of that, Kyle.

[Kylemii]

daughter hinting makes sense as a desperation gambit cus there's 3 of them and none of them know each other, so there's no one to counter

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And yet, I know that I'm 100% positive that I was being honest. I have no recollection of that, Kyle.

How about what FZ did to you in Currents?

[Sloonei]

I don't even know the issue here. We're not in lylo or mylo or whatever. Lynch me tomorrow if you're not satisfied.

Your defense is that you'll prove yourself tomorrow, in a game which forbids roleclaiming and infodumping. Nah.
I need to see a sincere effort to scum hint in order to change my mind.

[MacDougall]

Where's the Long Con defender?

[nutella]

daughter hinting makes sense as a desperation gambit cus there's 3 of them and none of them know each other, so there's no one to counter

Yeah this + the point Jay just made (he'd cause Tevye to waste a check) = LC u lyyyyin

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Where's the Long Con defender?

Do you think someone would be defending him if he's bad?

[Long Con]

I don't even know the issue here. We're not in lylo or mylo or whatever. Lynch me tomorrow if you're not satisfied.

This is the most bored plea I've ever seen.

Despair can look like boredom. It doesn't seem like anyone is willing to give me the benefit of the doubt just once. I'm sorry that I haven't been able to always be so participatory in this game.

Maybe just forget the proving thing. It's kind of sketchy at this point anyway, I haven't actually confirmed with the host that it's cool. Get me out of the way, and you'll probably be looking at NVN tomorrow, and we can still win.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't even know the issue here. We're not in lylo or mylo or whatever. Lynch me tomorrow if you're not satisfied.

This is the most bored plea I've ever seen.

Despair can look like boredom. It doesn't seem like anyone is willing to give me the benefit of the doubt just once. I'm sorry that I haven't been able to always be so participatory in this game.

Maybe just forget the proving thing. It's kind of sketchy at this point anyway, I haven't actually confirmed with the host that it's cool. Get me out of the way, and you'll probably be looking at NVN tomorrow, and we can still win.

Legacy reads beyond NVN?

[MacDougall]

Where's the Long Con defender?

Do you think someone would be defending him if he's bad?

No. That's actually my point. There is no nay saying whatsoever. The Mafia would be defending him if he was a civ I think.

[Long Con]

daughter hinting makes sense as a desperation gambit cus there's 3 of them and none of them know each other, so there's no one to counter

Yeah this + the point Jay just made (he'd cause Tevye to waste a check) = LC u lyyyyin

[Epignosis]

I don't know how LC intends to prove his innocence; it sounds like a false last-minute self-preservation tactic but part of me wants to be gullible and believe he's being genuine here.

Last-minute self-preservation tactics are why veteran Syndicate players are losing to newer players who have influenced this site. We used to be "You have to be alive to win (unless you are bad)," which somewhat made sense at the time, but I no longer see it that way. Our entire site now is on board with "People win with their faction," which makes the most sense with regard to mafia. I was robbed of a win so many times as a civilian because I always got killed. That's bullshit, and that's why my opinion changed.

It ultimately weakens the civilian spirit. To get mafia lynched and lose because they just decided you shouldn't win SUCKED. I don't even know why that concept existed (I kind of do, but meh).

If Long Con is a civilian, he should fight and show why he's an asset and get someone else lynched.

Instead he's begging us to let him use his Night action.

Boo.

[Kylemii]

another point against LC, civ LC would have too much pride to hint himself out of a sticky situation, but mafia LC would absolutely pull a fake hint gambit

[nutella]

Where's the Long Con defender?

Do you think someone would be defending him if he's bad?

No. That's actually my point. There is no nay saying whatsoever. The Mafia would be defending him if he was a civ I think.

hmmm good point...

except that you're kind of ironically defending him with this point

[MacDougall]

Where's the Long Con defender?

Do you think someone would be defending him if he's bad?

No. That's actually my point. There is no nay saying whatsoever. The Mafia would be defending him if he was a civ I think.

hmmm good point...

except that you're kind of ironically defending him with this point

You misread me. This is far from a defense.

[MacDougall]

LC now's the time for your wifom or legacy. You're not getting out of this one.

[nutella]

I don't know how LC intends to prove his innocence; it sounds like a false last-minute self-preservation tactic but part of me wants to be gullible and believe he's being genuine here.

Last-minute self-preservation tactics are why veteran Syndicate players are losing to newer players who have influenced this site. We used to be "You have to be alive to win (unless you are bad)," which somewhat made sense at the time, but I no longer see it that way. Our entire site now is on board with "People win with their faction," which makes the most sense with regard to mafia. I was robbed of a win so many times as a civilian because I always got killed. That's bullshit, and that's why my opinion changed.

It ultimately weakens the civilian spirit. To get mafia lynched and lose because they just decided you shouldn't win SUCKED. I don't even know why that concept existed (I kind of do, but meh).

If Long Con is a civilian, he should fight and show why he's an asset and get someone else lynched.

Instead he's begging us to let him use his Night action.

Boo.

I mean that's a fair point but there's still value in keeping civ numbers up and keeping certain roles alive. I don't know that he has much chance to prove his worth here anyway

[novaselinenever]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] You've been flip flopping a lot between me and LC

[Long Con]

another point against LC, civ LC would have too much pride to hint himself out of a sticky situation, but mafia LC would absolutely pull a fake hint gambit

Classic

[Epignosis]

I don't actually know that trick. I can't recall ever seeing that trick.

Nobody reveal your Civ powers.

What do you think of NVN if you make the following assumption:

He did not intend to actually claim information and instead worded his suspicion of you awkwardly because he isn't familiar with Syndicate jargon?

I would think he is trying to make shit up to push my easy lynch because that's how he thinks it goes? It was just vague enough.

NVN has no credibility to push a lynch. No one is believing anything he says. Why are you putting any stock in it?

[MacDougall]

He came back and found himself with 7 votes on him and 50 minutes so he tried a massive gambit because what does he have to lose if it makes him look worse?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay You've been flip flopping a lot between me and LC

Is that right? What do you think about that?

[Epignosis]

Where's the Long Con defender?

She's dead.

[MacDougall]

Where's the Long Con defender?

She's dead.

And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.

[Epignosis]

I don't even know the issue here. We're not in lylo or mylo or whatever. Lynch me tomorrow if you're not satisfied.

This is the most bored plea I've ever seen.

Despair can look like boredom. It doesn't seem like anyone is willing to give me the benefit of the doubt just once. I'm sorry that I haven't been able to always be so participatory in this game.

Maybe just forget the proving thing. It's kind of sketchy at this point anyway, I haven't actually confirmed with the host that it's cool. Get me out of the way, and you'll probably be looking at NVN tomorrow, and we can still win.

Uh-uh.

I've been doing that all day. People even questioned why I wasn't voting for you. I didn't want a mad rush of people on you. I wanted you to be able to take your time and destroy the mafia.

Instead you pleaded to leave you alone until tomorrow.

No.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The legacy left behind is: "my only counterwagon is bad"

[MacDougall]

It's relatively annoying that the votes are in alphabetical order instead of chronological.

[novaselinenever]

@JaggedJimmyJay You've been flip flopping a lot between me and LC

Is that right? What do you think about that?

A Townie having doubts and not too sure who to vote.

[novaselinenever]

Where's the Long Con defender?

She's dead.

And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.

Who might that be ?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay You've been flip flopping a lot between me and LC

Is that right? What do you think about that?

A Townie having doubts and not too sure who to vote.

Then why did you think that was worth saying to me? I already know my alignment and I already know that I am moving my vote around.

[MacDougall]

Where's the Long Con defender?

She's dead.

And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.

Who might that be ?

Kyle looks a good shout.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sweet WIFOM Dizzy vote

[Sloonei]

Where's the Long Con defender?

She's dead.

And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.

Who might that be ?

U

[MacDougall]

Where's the Long Con defender?

She's dead.

And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.

Who might that be ?

U

I don't think so but it could be.

I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.

[Sloonei]

Where's the Long Con defender?

She's dead.

And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.

Who might that be ?

U

I don't think so but it could be.

I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.

I'd lynch a couple of people before kyle.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.

I'll await verification on the LC flip. If it goes according to plan, I'd lynch zero people before NVN.

[MacDougall]

I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.

I'll await verification on the LC flip. If it goes according to plan, I'd lynch zero people before NVN.

So if he flips civ you think that's a good look for Nova?

[novaselinenever]

Where's the Long Con defender?

She's dead.

And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.

Who might that be ?

U

Expected better reads from you man. I think it's really obvious what happened to me this cycle and what my alignment is.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.

I'll await verification on the LC flip. If it goes according to plan, I'd lynch zero people before NVN.

So if he flips civ you think that's a good look for Nova?

I'm not sure anything would look "good" for him. A civilian flip at least removes some of the most apparent WTF value from his voting behavior today.

[MacDougall]

Where's the Long Con defender?

She's dead.

And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.

Who might that be ?

U

I don't think so but it could be.

I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.

I'd lynch a couple of people before kyle.

I'd be like

Kyle/Marmot/nutella/Nova

Pretty sure everyone else is a civ. Don't particularly care in what order those are lynched.

[novaselinenever]

I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.

I'll await verification on the LC flip. If it goes according to plan, I'd lynch zero people before NVN.

If he flips scums, how does that make me scum ? Weren't I going after him until I figured something else ?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.

I'll await verification on the LC flip. If it goes according to plan, I'd lynch zero people before NVN.

If he flips scums, how does that make me scum ? Weren't I going after him until I figured something else ?

You sure were. Until you figure something else.

Whatever that is.

[MacDougall]

I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.

I'll await verification on the LC flip. If it goes according to plan, I'd lynch zero people before NVN.

So if he flips civ you think that's a good look for Nova?

I'm not sure anything would look "good" for him. A civilian flip at least removes some of the most apparent WTF value from his voting behavior today.

I don't follow your logic as it pertains to Nova but I'm not flustered by it either because it would take a ridiculous series of calamities to lose this game now.

[MacDougall]

Look at who is not on Long Con wagon. Nova and Marmot.

I feel like it would be a bit dumb to not be on his wagon.

[Sloonei]

Where's the Long Con defender?

She's dead.

And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.

Who might that be ?

U

Expected better reads from you man. I think it's really obvious what happened to me this cycle and what my alignment is.

I do not know what you are referring to. But my mind is far from made up anyway. You might be my top suspect going into tomorrow. We will see.

[DFaraday]

Day 3 - Remember Alf? He's Back, in Pogrom Form

We all stormed the police station again, sure that we would find another of the killers there. LC was already sitting inside.

"There you guys are!" he cried. "They've arrested me, and I think they plan to kill me!"

I would have believed his story. It was a very believable story. However, the police officers were sitting in the back room playing cards, and LC was not handcuffed. It was then that I noticed that LC was also the chief of police. We grabbed him, tore up the front desk, and then threw him on top of the shards, where he was impaled quite intensely.

There was a letter on the floor addressed to LC from the Tsar, saying that he was to carry out a pogrom in Anatevka later that day. Lucky we came in when we did, or we would have had a very bad day.

LC has been lynched. He was The Constable.

It is now Night 3. You have 24 hours to get your PMs in.

[Kylemii]

hell yes

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Good game LC and LoRab.