Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.

I'll await verification on the LC flip. If it goes according to plan, I'd lynch zero people before NVN.

So if he flips civ you think that's a good look for Nova?

I'm not sure anything would look "good" for him. A civilian flip at least removes some of the most apparent WTF value from his voting behavior today.

[MacDougall]

Where's the Long Con defender?

She's dead.

And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.

Who might that be ?

U

I don't think so but it could be.

I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.

I'd lynch a couple of people before kyle.

I'd be like

Kyle/Marmot/nutella/Nova

Pretty sure everyone else is a civ. Don't particularly care in what order those are lynched.

[novaselinenever]

I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.

I'll await verification on the LC flip. If it goes according to plan, I'd lynch zero people before NVN.

If he flips scums, how does that make me scum ? Weren't I going after him until I figured something else ?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.

I'll await verification on the LC flip. If it goes according to plan, I'd lynch zero people before NVN.

If he flips scums, how does that make me scum ? Weren't I going after him until I figured something else ?

You sure were. Until you figure something else.

Whatever that is.

[MacDougall]

I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.

I'll await verification on the LC flip. If it goes according to plan, I'd lynch zero people before NVN.

So if he flips civ you think that's a good look for Nova?

I'm not sure anything would look "good" for him. A civilian flip at least removes some of the most apparent WTF value from his voting behavior today.

I don't follow your logic as it pertains to Nova but I'm not flustered by it either because it would take a ridiculous series of calamities to lose this game now.

[MacDougall]

Look at who is not on Long Con wagon. Nova and Marmot.

I feel like it would be a bit dumb to not be on his wagon.

[Sloonei]

Where's the Long Con defender?

She's dead.

And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.

Who might that be ?

U

Expected better reads from you man. I think it's really obvious what happened to me this cycle and what my alignment is.

I do not know what you are referring to. But my mind is far from made up anyway. You might be my top suspect going into tomorrow. We will see.

[DFaraday]

Day 3 - Remember Alf? He's Back, in Pogrom Form

We all stormed the police station again, sure that we would find another of the killers there. LC was already sitting inside.

"There you guys are!" he cried. "They've arrested me, and I think they plan to kill me!"

I would have believed his story. It was a very believable story. However, the police officers were sitting in the back room playing cards, and LC was not handcuffed. It was then that I noticed that LC was also the chief of police. We grabbed him, tore up the front desk, and then threw him on top of the shards, where he was impaled quite intensely.

There was a letter on the floor addressed to LC from the Tsar, saying that he was to carry out a pogrom in Anatevka later that day. Lucky we came in when we did, or we would have had a very bad day.

LC has been lynched. He was The Constable.

It is now Night 3. You have 24 hours to get your PMs in.

[Kylemii]

hell yes

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Good game LC and LoRab.

[DFaraday]

Also, it sounds as if there may be some confusion on the issue, so I'd like to remind everyone that infodumping, stating that you have info, pretending to have info, and otherwise making assertions based on confidential data are not allowed. Now that I've made that clear, I'm going to go ahead and modkill anyone who doesn't bother to couch their assertions or suspicions in thread-based evidence or reasoning.

[Long Con]

Good game LC and LoRab.

That comes across really sarcastically given the reality.

[Sloonei]

Let's find that last baddie. LC pushed Mac today. So did Marmot. I wouldn't be surprised if one of then is it. Probably Marmot.

[Long Con]

FUCK.... Epi is right about adverbs, apparently.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Last one:

The Poes are lurking just outside your window, and they are hungry for your soul.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Good game LC and LoRab.

That comes across really sarcastically given the reality.

I promise I didn't intend it that way. The speedchuck case had me going!

[Kylemii]

13 players left. one dies tonight, probably? making 12 so unless unless my math is wrong, we have 6 tries at this

[novaselinenever]

Look at who is not on Long Con wagon. Nova and Marmot.

I feel like it would be a bit dumb to not be on his wagon.

I was on his wagon very early on and gave my reads on him. I wanted to go after Marmot, they were enough people going after LC already

[Sloonei]

Scum shall win nevermore.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

FZ wanted LC's head all game long. Civilian.

[Sloonei]

Look at who is not on Long Con wagon. Nova and Marmot.

I feel like it would be a bit dumb to not be on his wagon.

I was on his wagon very early on and gave my reads on him. I wanted to go after Marmot, they were enough people going after LC already

why did you want to go after marmot?

[Long Con]

Good game LC and LoRab.

That comes across really sarcastically given the reality.

I promise I didn't intend it that way. The speedchuck case had me going!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

16 players

12 civilians vs. 3 mafia /// (1 independent)

2 civilians dead (Spacedaisy 1.0, speedchuck)

2 mafia dead (LoRab, Long Con)

10 vs. 1 mafia /// (1 independent)

If a kill occurs tonight: 9 vs. 1 /// 1

That's three mislynches available before 3 vs. 1 /// 1 (if kills recur on each ensuing night)

The game isn't over. We'll have to work at it. Devising a POE pool of just four names won't be all that easy. I just tried and ended up with this:

Dyslexicon
Epignosis
FZ.
nutella
Sloonei

DaveDaisy
DrWilgy
Kylemii
MacDougall
Marmot
novaselinenever

This also does not account for the independent role, which I can only hope isn't considered anti-civilian in terms of the win conditions of the civilians and of it.

I am confident that I can narrow the pool further with interactive analyses and a little more leniency with the criteria. Let's not get complacent though. I've seen a solo mafioso come back from a worse deficit than this.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It is also possible the independent role could be killed assuming the role allows for it. I don't think we'd have any way of knowing though.

[nutella]

nice nice

[MacDougall]

Let's find that last baddie. LC pushed Mac today. So did Marmot. I wouldn't be surprised if one of then is it. Probably Marmot.

LC's devious wifom is going to get me lynched before we win isn't it...

[nutella]

My POE looks much like Jay's. If I had to pick 4 it would be Nova, Kyle, Marmot, and.... Mac with heavy tinfoil?

[nutella]

If I die tonight I'd suggest trying Kyle first. I think he's a really decent candidate and looked like teammate-compatible for both Lorab and LC for multiple reasons.

[Marmot]

Good job y'all.

I volunteer myself up for a lynch tomorrow so I can dedicate my time elsewhere and y'all can continue supatowning this game.

[nutella]

Hm I should have waited until right before end of night to say that since it opens the door for framing wifom bullshit. Whatevs

[nutella]

Or Daisy, I haven't totally cleared her either... hmmm

[nutella]

Good job y'all.

I volunteer myself up for a lynch tomorrow so I can dedicate my time elsewhere and y'all can continue supatowning this game.

[Kylemii]

Hm I should have waited until right before end of night to say that since it opens the door for framing wifom bullshit. Whatevs

I'll try protecting you by adding a second layer of wifom to protect you. *clears throat*

If I were the last remaining mafia, I would absolutely kill Marmot next, because killing Marmot is my favorite thing to do. I killed marmot first in the jester game because it felt great to do. It wasn't even for strategic purposes. Yeah. Boy, I'll tell ya. Nothing can compare to the pure adrenaline rush I get specifically from night-killing Marmot, or maybe novaselinever.

[FZ.]

Woohoo, I knew it! I need to take long breaks more often...

I loved LC's last attempt. I wouldn't expect anything less from him.


I don't see Marmot as the last baddie.

I have issues with assuming it's Kyle. He comes off too sincere to be a baddie in a lot of his posts. I'm sure he can fool me, but I wouldn't want to try and lynch him first. He's on a back burner for me. It's only if we run out of options.

Nova is an option. Since I don't know what the state of votes was when he cast his vote, I can't try and figure out his motive. Also, I understand he's new. Is he new to this site or to mafia in general? His vote was definitely weird, but why not just go with the flow and vote LC if he's bad. It's not like he could have saved him. Unless, again, his vote was at a time when Marmot had more votes. If he is new, it could be he didn't want to throw LC to the wolves and LC was around to discuss things in the chatzy.
Daisy is another option. Her post where she votes LC has the potential of being a baddie feeling they need to justify their vote when they're bandwagoning, so it doesn't look bad.

Basically I keep changing my mind about people every moment. I need to think about things for a while.
Hopefully I don't die tonight.

[Sloonei]

I just typed a big interactive analysis of Mac/LC and just as I was finishing it up my laptop did a dumb thing that ancient laptops are prone to do and I lost it all. My conclusion was that LC pushed hard against Mac all game except for one odd post after LoRab's lynch, and that this would normally be a very good look for Mac if I wasn't dealing with Macdougall and Long Con. They're absolutely two players who would hard distance from each other in a game, especially if they could add a layer of wifom by referencing the fact that they've already employed this exact strategy before as scum partners. Ordinarily I say that any case that has no evidence in its favor beyond wifom is not a strong one, but that theory gets an asterisk with certain players.

If I'm forced to pick a side, I do think Mac looks good in LC's ISO. Especially on Day 3, when it was not certain that LC was getting lynched and he still had a fighting chance, Mac was the player LC pushed. That push started weakly and grew into something more substantial. I don't think LC was a dead man walking for all of Day 3, and so I don't think he was willing to just punt the game away for himself at the beginning. His proposed alternative in that situation would have been someone he'd genuinely want to see lynched in his place. Mac has been firmly entrenched as a town read all game, and if he's LC's last partner then it's risky to potentially dislodge him for a wifomy save that wouldn't be guaranteed to be effective.

[DrWilgy]

Good job y'all. Sorry I was afk. What's happening this time?

[Sloonei]

Good job y'all. Sorry I was afk. What's happening this time?

we're lynching drwilgy.

[DrWilgy]

Good job y'all. Sorry I was afk. What's happening this time?

we're lynching drwilgy.

I don't think we are close to Lylo. I'm ok with this if it makes for an easier game.

[Sloonei]

Good job y'all. Sorry I was afk. What's happening this time?

we're lynching drwilgy.

I don't think we are close to Lylo. I'm ok with this if it makes for an easier game.

what would be the fastest way to end the game?

[Sloonei]

Marmot & LC

Hey, just got off work, and I'm 8 pages behind. I'll try to hang out here in the present a little while I catch up.

Things will be more interesting if you vote for me.

OK, I'll vote for Marmot, and we'll see if it's still there in an hour and a half.

Spoiler: show

no linki was given

Sometimes the linki giveth. Sometimes it taketh.

You outclassed me with the spoiler tags too. Maybe it's time to retire.

Playful banter

Spoiler: show

You mentioned you have a mafia read on me because I appear to be playing a different game to everyone else. Does that mean you have a Mafia read on yourself given the lion's share of everyone else have a civ read of me?

Can you walk me through why I would make that jump in logic?

I thought it was obvious that I was having a go at you for being a hypocrite.

I was picking up what you're laying down.

Except for the part where it doesn't really matter to me what "everyone else" has to say about you. I never particularly cared for general consensus.

So we agree you are scum reading me for something you are exhibiting in this game? That is to say that you find your own behaviour scummy?

Indirect defense of Marmot via discrediting of Mac.

Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.

More of the same.

Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.

Do you read Marmot as town?

GTH yes. I haven't been pinged by him. Lazy play, despite what Macdougall is saying, isn't much of a baddie tell for Marmot.

This town read did not come out of LC easily. I had to ask, and then it came qualified as a GTH read, as if he's not comfortable expressing the read. Not thrilled by this.

This conversation continued in a similar fashion. I'll leave the posts out for the sake of presentation, but they're there in LC's post history if anyone wants a look. I don't think any of this looks great for Marmot. There's hardly any direct interaction, and what little there is and far from serious. LC's attack against Macdougall on Day 3 was built around Mac's treatment of Marmot, but LC wasn't totaly forthcoming with a read of Marmot himself. I could see this as being "too obvious" of a teammate interaction, but I could also see it as simply being teammates interacting.

[Marmot]

Good job y'all. Sorry I was afk. What's happening this time?

we're lynching drwilgy.

I don't think we are close to Lylo. I'm ok with this if it makes for an easier game.

Too late man. I'm already lynched tomorrow.

[FZ.]

I've played several games with Mac. I only recall one where he was bad, maybe there was another one. Problem is, I remember him being very "useful" to the town that game. I think it was the first game I've ever played with him. I often feel about him that he has the "I don't give a shit" attitude when he's good, and he gives these sort of answers that imply he's doing his own thing and doesn't really care what you think. This game he feels like he cares a lot. The thing is, I haven't played for a long time and maybe I forgot games he was this serious as a civ. So I want people who know him to tell me whether there's something in what I'm saying. If he's good, I think he deserves a win here just as much as any of us, so I don't want us to lynch him. But if he's bad, he's doing a fabulous job and it will be similar to the one I've played with him back then

[Sloonei]

I've played several games with Mac. I only recall one where he was bad, maybe there was another one. Problem is, I remember him being very "useful" to the town that game. I think it was the first game I've ever played with him. I often feel about him that he has the "I don't give a shit" attitude when he's good, and he gives these sort of answers that imply he's doing his own thing and doesn't really care what you think. This game he feels like he cares a lot. The thing is, I haven't played for a long time and maybe I forgot games he was this serious as a civ. So I want people who know him to tell me whether there's something in what I'm saying. If he's good, I think he deserves a win here just as much as any of us, so I don't want us to lynch him. But if he's bad, he's doing a fabulous job and it will be similar to the one I've played with him back then

I don't think this is always a reliable meta for mac, though I've seen it in the past as well. Most of my meta read on him is ancient though. With recent context, I could see a more focused and "helpful" town Mac in this game because he was just mislynched in Mortal Kombat.

[Sloonei]

Good job y'all. Sorry I was afk. What's happening this time?

we're lynching drwilgy.

I don't think we are close to Lylo. I'm ok with this if it makes for an easier game.

Too late man. I'm already lynched tomorrow.

No you're not. Help us catch the last baddie.

[FZ.]

I've played several games with Mac. I only recall one where he was bad, maybe there was another one. Problem is, I remember him being very "useful" to the town that game. I think it was the first game I've ever played with him. I often feel about him that he has the "I don't give a shit" attitude when he's good, and he gives these sort of answers that imply he's doing his own thing and doesn't really care what you think. This game he feels like he cares a lot. The thing is, I haven't played for a long time and maybe I forgot games he was this serious as a civ. So I want people who know him to tell me whether there's something in what I'm saying. If he's good, I think he deserves a win here just as much as any of us, so I don't want us to lynch him. But if he's bad, he's doing a fabulous job and it will be similar to the one I've played with him back then

I don't think this is always a reliable meta for mac, though I've seen it in the past as well. Most of my meta read on him is ancient though. With recent context, I could see a more focused and "helpful" town Mac in this game because he was just mislynched in Mortal Kombat.

Okay, thanks

[Sloonei]

Mac's still the tinfoil suspect in my list of town reads. I'd also add you (FZ.) to my top tier of town reads given the wedge there was between you and LC. That relationship absolutely does not strike me as bussing. I also am having more and more trouble reading Dyslexicon as scum. The game makes more sense if she's town.

[Sloonei]

Spacedaisy, NVN, wilgy, and kyle are the players I will look into next if I have time. I still feel like Kyle is town based on his speedchuck slip, but I'm not ready to remove him from the POE based on that.

[DrWilgy]

Good job y'all. Sorry I was afk. What's happening this time?

we're lynching drwilgy.

I don't think we are close to Lylo. I'm ok with this if it makes for an easier game.

what would be the fastest way to end the game?

Not lynching me. All I'm saying is that if we go to Lylo and I'm still a variable, it will be harder victory than if I'm purged before.

[Sloonei]

Good job y'all. Sorry I was afk. What's happening this time?

we're lynching drwilgy.

I don't think we are close to Lylo. I'm ok with this if it makes for an easier game.

what would be the fastest way to end the game?

Not lynching me. All I'm saying is that if we go to Lylo and I'm still a variable, it will be harder victory than if I'm purged before.

not if you shake off that variable status. If it was lylo right now, who would you vote for?

[DrWilgy]

Good job y'all. Sorry I was afk. What's happening this time?

we're lynching drwilgy.

I don't think we are close to Lylo. I'm ok with this if it makes for an easier game.

what would be the fastest way to end the game?

Not lynching me. All I'm saying is that if we go to Lylo and I'm still a variable, it will be harder victory than if I'm purged before.

not if you shake off that variable status. If it was lylo right now, who would you vote for?

Lol fuck Idk. Haven't really read past night 1 and the occasional pop in. I'll try to get some views but I make no promises.