Long Con and MacDougall
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:29 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:26 pm
I apologize for having emotions earlier, I will avoid that in the future.
Cool, I'm not there yet. Is it going to be awesome?
Also, at the point I'm at, Mac and nutella are sparring about the copied rainbow list. So far, I have felt like it makes them both look more bad, so I guess it's worth a reread tomorrow.
Casual, off-hand suspicion tossed in Mac's direction alongside nutella over his copy/paste of speedchuck's rainbow.
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:30 pm
So is it genuinely in Epignosis's MO as Mafia to go after Jimmy on day 1 and put himself at risk like this?
He is now leading the votes. I don't like it. It looks like a potential mislynch to me. I am getting nam flashbacks to MK.
This post is ugly to me. In a Mac is bad and knows Epi is good, kind of way.
LC made a couple of TMI-type accusations in this game, first this one at Mac and later in the large case against speedchuck. The latter was civilian, so take that however you may.
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:05 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:03 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:31 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:12 pmThat's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.
"wow, i can't believe you actually really believed i was telling the truth while i was obviously being purposefully deceptive for a weird joke"
I didn't post the rainbow list to make a joke. I posted the rainbow list to determine the level to which people were paying attention to see if I could analyse any level of collusion.
Has there been any analysis by Mac on collusion levels?
No because I didn't find any.
Looks like you just posted the rainbow list to be a shit-disturber, and made up this collusion test after to try and give it more validity.
Rainbow list copypasta gripes continued. LC pushed this point, though I don't know if he
pursued it beyond talk.
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:55 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:50 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:48 am
DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:40 am
A message from Avram:
LoRab and LC both seemed to want to push for Epignosis and didn't offer much criticism of each other.
That isn't accurate. I never wanted to push for Epignosis, I voted him for maybe two minutes when I thought it was the best chance to save my life. I had said nothing about Lorab because she hadn't really gotten involved with the game that much, it wasn't some kind of teammate-avoidance strategy.
who should we lynch today?
Why shouldn't it be Macdougall?
Sloonei asked Long Con who to lynch and got this question as an answer. I don't struggle to see the antagonism as distancing so far.
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:32 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:25 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:19 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:15 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:14 am
Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.
Do you read Marmot as town?
GTH yes. I haven't been pinged by him. Lazy play, despite what Macdougall is saying, isn't much of a baddie tell for Marmot.
Can you tell me more about why Macdougall is scum? Is it based entirely on his recent treatment of the marmot?
Actually, it is based on the recent stuff. I'm having some trouble with the two concurrent games running, and getting mixed up between them. This is something that currently looks suspicious.
This might be a bit better for Mac. LC couldn't entirely qualify his suspicion of Mac when pressed by Sloonei, and he moaned a bit about the challenge of playing in two games at once. I'd expect a distancing LC to be more concrete in his expression of suspicion.
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:45 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:36 am
why is "push Marmot" a viable scum strategy for Macdougall entering Day 3?
Attacking Marmot for lazy play, as if Marmot tends to be an overly-vocal, super-analytical player. Possibly ironic, because THAT looks like lazy play on Macdougall's part, going after Marmot for his extremely usual play.
I'm not sure this answers my question, so I'll rephrase: why does it make sense for macdougall, as scum, to pick Marmot of all people as his lynch target for the day?
I guess if I were a better Mafia player, I could figure out that answer. Unless it specifically makes NO sense, then it's a strategy a person could go with. If Marmot is Civ and Mac is bad, then it makes sense to try and get a Civ lynched, while also looking like you're doing some new, fresh hunting. In this instance, though, the new, fresh hunting looks stale.
LC kept at it with regard to Mac's suspicion of Marmot, claiming it was too easy and based upon a premise ignorant of Marmot's normal behavior. I tend to think that most of this stuff says more about Marmot than it says about Mac. I can note though that if Marmot is a civilian, then LC is completely blaming Mac ahead of time for that. There was no good reason to defend Marmot for the very same reasons LC was critical of Mac's suspicion of Marmot, but he did it anyway -- that's TMI on Marmot and perhaps preemptive setup on Mac. I could see them being civilian-civilian in that light (or at least not mafia-not mafia). If one of them
is mafia, I think Mac is more likely.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:15 pm
I agree with your green reads Mac, save perhaps LC. I don't have much of a read there. What's your inspiration?
I could understand the rationality LC had with his posts that you seemed to disagree with. It's part of the reason I am suspicious of you.
At least some of Mac's early suspicion of me was driven by my handling of rationale provided by LC. Okay.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:09 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:05 am
Looks like you just posted the rainbow list to be a shit-disturber, and made up this collusion test after to try and give it more validity.
Looks like that doesn't it.
Mac's response to LC's accusations re: the copypasta rainbow list were pretty disinterested. At least it doesn't look like your typical energized distancing effort. There's no drama.
Long Con is light green in the middle "gives some credence" group in this segmented rainbow. If nothing else I don't care for this method of presenting reads because it is pretty hard to tell what Mac actually thinks about these folks.
Mac is displeased with LC's turns on Kyle and Sloonei.
I think this is a decent catch, because there really wasn't sufficient justification for those turns and Mac should be credited for identifying this progression.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:02 am
Found the most likely partnership so far. Kyle and Long Con. Speedchuck and Sloonei make no sense to be part of that team. The most likely partner to that team is nutella.
Kyle, Long Con & nutella?
I'm a bit bugged that the partnership Mac pushed for Long Con was the same one I consider highly unlikely -- Kylemii.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:57 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:09 am
Long Con is a civilian and I am voting for speedchuck.
I don't think his post is anywhere near as good as you seem to do. It's precisely what I would expect scum Long Con to enter with on day 2 as a player who has attracted a little suspicion. Pick a player and make a wall post case for civ cred.
Furthermore... Im not sure civ Jay would be that easy to convince.
I was momentarily a doofus in response to LC's case against speedchuck case and Mac didn't agree. It's a somewhat decent look, though my tinfoil alerts are warning me that Mac was attempting to link me to his teammate.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:16 am
Long Con does highlight some posts from speedchuck that are pingy. I felt at the time that he wasn't actually all that focused on the game but hand waved it somewhat as him coasting because he wasn't catching flak.
I would say his points have given me pause on speedchuck particularly given he was my number 1 gut civ read. When I analysed his interactions and found a good number of viable scum teammates I was quite surprised so now that there is some post analysis to his detriment I would be interested to see that lead explored more.
He didn't think LC's case against speedchuck was all crap though.
Long Con is dark green now in the segmented rainbow thing
???
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:18 pm
To be honest Sloonei I started the analysis expecting better results. The outcome was rather underwhelming. Hence why I haven't done much with it.
Got any priority suspects right now other than Marmot?
I wouldn't call them priority but
I am still orange at best on Long Con, nutella and Nova. I am alright with this LC lynch.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:18 pm
To be honest Sloonei I started the analysis expecting better results. The outcome was rather underwhelming. Hence why I haven't done much with it.
Do you think marmot/lorab is a compelling pairing?
I wouldn't say compelling but they are compatible.
Not long after he's "orange at best". 'Kay.
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Conclusion -- Clearly these two have interacted quite a lot in this game, and I think the results are a mixed bag. I noticed a few things that I liked, but I cannot claim they were
strong points in Mac's favor. I also encountered things I didn't care for. I really don't know what was happening with that read at the end. He remains a tinfoil candidate.