Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[Sloonei]

Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.

Do you read Marmot as town?

[Sloonei]

A shitty lynch you say?

I did not say those words, no.

[Sloonei]

Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

[Long Con]

Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.

Do you read Marmot as town?

GTH yes. I haven't been pinged by him. Lazy play, despite what Macdougall is saying, isn't much of a baddie tell for Marmot.

[Epignosis]

I still can't get over the wrong tab issue.

Lorab had three votes. So did you, Long Con.

Lorab had voted for me. Then you voted for me, making it a temporary three-way tie.

At no point did I have more than two votes, so the "wrong tab I was only saving myself" sounds like horseshit to me.

[Epignosis]

If you meant to save yourself and that was all, you would have gone with Lorab from the beginning.

[Sloonei]

New rainbow:
Epignosis
Macdougall
JaggedJimmyJay
nutella
Dyslexicon
FZ.
Spacedavey
Drwilgy
Marmot
novaselinenever
Kylemii
Long Con


No completely ready to say I've got a 3-person POE. The lowest tier of town reads have not done enough to be completely ruled out, and I could still tinfoil a case on a few of my darker greens, but I feel almost pretty good that the bottom three holds our remaining baddies. LoRab's post history reveals no clear trail back to any partners, but it does paint Epi in a very favorable light. I also think she may have been trying to buddy nutella a little bit.

[Kylemii]

long con did not mention lorab before his vote on her, cited as a vote to save himself

I think I'm gonna come back for marmot, I want to iso lorab first

[Sloonei]

Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.

Do you read Marmot as town?

GTH yes. I haven't been pinged by him. Lazy play, despite what Macdougall is saying, isn't much of a baddie tell for Marmot.

Can you tell me more about why Macdougall is scum? Is it based entirely on his recent treatment of the marmot?

[Kylemii]

Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

[Sloonei]

Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

Of the players you've ISO'd so far, who do you think is the most likely partner of LoRab?

[Long Con]

Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.

Do you read Marmot as town?

GTH yes. I haven't been pinged by him. Lazy play, despite what Macdougall is saying, isn't much of a baddie tell for Marmot.

Can you tell me more about why Macdougall is scum? Is it based entirely on his recent treatment of the marmot?

Actually, it is based on the recent stuff. I'm having some trouble with the two concurrent games running, and getting mixed up between them. This is something that currently looks suspicious.

[nutella]

RIP speed.

I like daisy's defense I think. Not liking Marmot, and still think LC and Kyle are also reasonably likely lorab teamies.

[Sloonei]

[mention]MacDougall[/mention], what do you say to LC's accusation that you're "dubiously shoehorning" Marmot into a lynch?

[Sloonei]

RIP speed.

I like daisy's defense I think. Not liking Marmot, and still think LC and Kyle are also reasonably likely lorab teamies.

what don't you like about marmot?

[Sloonei]

Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.

Do you read Marmot as town?

GTH yes. I haven't been pinged by him. Lazy play, despite what Macdougall is saying, isn't much of a baddie tell for Marmot.

Can you tell me more about why Macdougall is scum? Is it based entirely on his recent treatment of the marmot?

Actually, it is based on the recent stuff. I'm having some trouble with the two concurrent games running, and getting mixed up between them. This is something that currently looks suspicious.

why is "push Marmot" a viable scum strategy for Macdougall entering Day 3?

[Long Con]

I still can't get over the wrong tab issue.

Lorab had three votes. So did you, Long Con.

Lorab had voted for me. Then you voted for me, making it a temporary three-way tie.

At no point did I have more than two votes, so the "wrong tab I was only saving myself" sounds like horseshit to me.

I don't think I had more than two votes in the tab I voted in.

[Kylemii]

Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

[Kylemii]

Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

Of the players you've ISO'd so far, who do you think is the most likely partner of LoRab?

at this point, long con

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.

Are you shoehorning him to safety for dubious reasons?

[Epignosis]

I still can't get over the wrong tab issue.

Lorab had three votes. So did you, Long Con.

Lorab had voted for me. Then you voted for me, making it a temporary three-way tie.

At no point did I have more than two votes, so the "wrong tab I was only saving myself" sounds like horseshit to me.

I don't think I had more than two votes in the tab I voted in.

Irrelevant.

I never had more than two votes. You and Lorab did.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I still can't get over the wrong tab issue.

Lorab had three votes. So did you, Long Con.

Lorab had voted for me. Then you voted for me, making it a temporary three-way tie.

At no point did I have more than two votes, so the "wrong tab I was only saving myself" sounds like horseshit to me.

Agreed.

If you meant to save yourself and that was all, you would have gone with Lorab from the beginning.

Agreed.

[Long Con]

Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.

Do you read Marmot as town?

GTH yes. I haven't been pinged by him. Lazy play, despite what Macdougall is saying, isn't much of a baddie tell for Marmot.

Can you tell me more about why Macdougall is scum? Is it based entirely on his recent treatment of the marmot?

Actually, it is based on the recent stuff. I'm having some trouble with the two concurrent games running, and getting mixed up between them. This is something that currently looks suspicious.

why is "push Marmot" a viable scum strategy for Macdougall entering Day 3?

Attacking Marmot for lazy play, as if Marmot tends to be an overly-vocal, super-analytical player. Possibly ironic, because THAT looks like lazy play on Macdougall's part, going after Marmot for his extremely usual play.

[Long Con]

I still can't get over the wrong tab issue.

Lorab had three votes. So did you, Long Con.

Lorab had voted for me. Then you voted for me, making it a temporary three-way tie.

At no point did I have more than two votes, so the "wrong tab I was only saving myself" sounds like horseshit to me.

Agreed.

If you meant to save yourself and that was all, you would have gone with Lorab from the beginning.

Agreed.

This is so slimy. Just hop on board there, right?

[Sloonei]

Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

Of the players you've ISO'd so far, who do you think is the most likely partner of LoRab?

at this point, long con

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[Sloonei]

why is "push Marmot" a viable scum strategy for Macdougall entering Day 3?

Attacking Marmot for lazy play, as if Marmot tends to be an overly-vocal, super-analytical player. Possibly ironic, because THAT looks like lazy play on Macdougall's part, going after Marmot for his extremely usual play.

I'm not sure this answers my question, so I'll rephrase: why does it make sense for macdougall, as scum, to pick Marmot of all people as his lynch target for the day?

[Sloonei]

Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

[Epignosis]

I say give Long Con some room.

Let him breathe. Let him talk.

I'll move my vote off him for now.

[Epignosis]

Long Con- do me a favor, will ya? And go find mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is so slimy. Just hop on board there, right?

It should be evident by this point that I don't care about "hopping on board". I struggle to believe that your Epignosis vote was purely accidental. That was a three-way tie until LoRab moved.

[Long Con]

why is "push Marmot" a viable scum strategy for Macdougall entering Day 3?

Attacking Marmot for lazy play, as if Marmot tends to be an overly-vocal, super-analytical player. Possibly ironic, because THAT looks like lazy play on Macdougall's part, going after Marmot for his extremely usual play.

I'm not sure this answers my question, so I'll rephrase: why does it make sense for macdougall, as scum, to pick Marmot of all people as his lynch target for the day?

I guess if I were a better Mafia player, I could figure out that answer. Unless it specifically makes NO sense, then it's a strategy a person could go with. If Marmot is Civ and Mac is bad, then it makes sense to try and get a Civ lynched, while also looking like you're doing some new, fresh hunting. In this instance, though, the new, fresh hunting looks stale.

[Long Con]

Long Con- do me a favor, will ya? And go find mafia.

I'm trying.

Does anyone else have trouble with the two concurrent games?

[Kylemii]

Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

Of the players you've ISO'd so far, who do you think is the most likely partner of LoRab?

at this point, long con

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I believe SD's defenses and don't find her pre lorab death posts all that suspicious either. I believe Jay is doing his best and I also have a role in mind for him.

the fact that neither of LC nor LR discussed each other while doing so and convincing us that the other player was more likely to be scum would have been their only chance at survival is troubling.

[Kylemii]

Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

stream of consciousness; I was commenting on lorabs pursuit of him. obviously his death makes him even less likely to be mafia

[Epignosis]

Long Con- do me a favor, will ya? And go find mafia.

I'm trying.

Does anyone else have trouble with the two concurrent games?

I'm hosting the other one. Yes.

[Sloonei]

Long Con- do me a favor, will ya? And go find mafia.

I'm trying.

Does anyone else have trouble with the two concurrent games?

No, I'm handling it pretty well over here.

[Sloonei]

Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

stream of consciousness; I was commenting on lorabs pursuit of him. obviously his death makes him even less likely to be mafia

Yeah. This makes me want to move my vote. I highly doubt a mafia member momentarily forgets they just killed a guy.

[Long Con]

Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

Of the players you've ISO'd so far, who do you think is the most likely partner of LoRab?

at this point, long con

Tellmemore.gif

I believe SD's defenses and don't find her pre lorab death posts all that suspicious either. I believe Jay is doing his best and I also have a role in mind for him.

the fact that neither of LC nor LR discussed each other while doing so and convincing us that the other player was more likely to be scum would have been their only chance at survival is troubling.

Well, if you read the lynch sober, you'll see that I came in after work last minute, and wasn't able to catch up, just voting to try to save myself. I didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or anyone else.

[Sloonei]

Moved my vote to novaselinenever because I don't want to pile on LC or wilgy right now.

[Sloonei]

Well, if you read the lynch sober, you'll see that I came in after work last minute, and wasn't able to catch up, just voting to try to save myself. I didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or anyone else.

so why the vote for epi?

[Marmot]

Long Con- do me a favor, will ya? And go find mafia.

I'm trying.

Does anyone else have trouble with the two concurrent games?

I was in three earlier today.

[Kylemii]

Well, if you read the lynch sober, you'll see that I came in after work last minute, and wasn't able to catch up, just voting to try to save myself. I didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or anyone else.

you arrived around 8:40, so you had about a half hour to figure things out. you made about 6 or 7 posts. you asked about the case against yourself and responded to my directly asking you directly about why I shouldn't vote for you (and lorab and a secret player named jaggedjimmyjag). you didn't ask about the case against lorab or jay, or anyone else for that matter.

also:

I had several tabs open, for catching up, writing responses, Mortal Kombat, etc, and when I realized that the time was running out, the poll I voted in had Epi as the best possibility to save myself. After my vote went in, though, there was some shifting due to last-few-minutes vote changing, and Lorab was my only way.

which parts of this thread did you prioritize while catching up last night? even if you weren't able to get caught up completely, you at least started. what was your focus in those 27 minutes?

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall, what do you say to LC's accusation that you're "dubiously shoehorning" Marmot into a lynch?

I would say that I have raised valid concerns and that his description is inaccurate.

[MacDougall]

why is "push Marmot" a viable scum strategy for Macdougall entering Day 3?

Attacking Marmot for lazy play, as if Marmot tends to be an overly-vocal, super-analytical player. Possibly ironic, because THAT looks like lazy play on Macdougall's part, going after Marmot for his extremely usual play.

I'm not sure this answers my question, so I'll rephrase: why does it make sense for macdougall, as scum, to pick Marmot of all people as his lynch target for the day?

I guess if I were a better Mafia player, I could figure out that answer. Unless it specifically makes NO sense, then it's a strategy a person could go with. If Marmot is Civ and Mac is bad, then it makes sense to try and get a Civ lynched, while also looking like you're doing some new, fresh hunting. In this instance, though, the new, fresh hunting looks stale.

Well I am doing my best to make a sensible case against a player I find suspicious. I also haven't just plucked him out of nowhere as you are suggesting.

I have been trying harder to solve the game than most. Yourself and Marmot included. I suggest you look elsewhere because I am a civ.

[FZ.]

why is "push Marmot" a viable scum strategy for Macdougall entering Day 3?

Attacking Marmot for lazy play, as if Marmot tends to be an overly-vocal, super-analytical player. Possibly ironic, because THAT looks like lazy play on Macdougall's part, going after Marmot for his extremely usual play.

I'm not sure this answers my question, so I'll rephrase: why does it make sense for macdougall, as scum, to pick Marmot of all people as his lynch target for the day?

I guess if I were a better Mafia player, I could figure out that answer. Unless it specifically makes NO sense, then it's a strategy a person could go with. If Marmot is Civ and Mac is bad, then it makes sense to try and get a Civ lynched, while also looking like you're doing some new, fresh hunting. In this instance, though, the new, fresh hunting looks stale.

Well I am doing my best to make a sensible case against a player I find suspicious. I also haven't just plucked him out of nowhere as you are suggesting.

I have been trying harder to solve the game than most. Yourself and Marmot included. I suggest you look elsewhere because I am a civ.

He's going after you because he's bad and he needs to put the blame somewhere...

[nutella]

I just reread this whole Mac/Marmot exchange and it's quite ridiculous. I think Mac is overreacting. Like, he's been my strongest town read all game, and I don't understand why Marmot is claiming to scumread him, but I don't think I agree with Mac's leap in confidently believing Marmot is bad for this. I have no reason to townread Marmot and he is a potential mafia, but I don't think this Mac business is particularly alignment-indicative, it's just Marmot being weird, as he tends to be. Idk, it could be scum or indie Marmot trying to pull some crazy gambit, but maybe he really does suspect Mac? I guess I wouldn't be opposed to a Marmot lynch today but I don't see why Mac is so confident.

....Or LC and Marmot are our two scum trying some bizarro strategy of pushing a lynch of one of the most widely townread people in the game. Crazy gambit time... I'd believe it coming from those two tbh

.........Or Mac has been bad this whole time..... but seriously I would eat a pack of tinfoil if that turned out to be the case.

[MacDougall]

I just reread this whole Mac/Marmot exchange and it's quite ridiculous. I think Mac is overreacting. Like, he's been my strongest town read all game, and I don't understand why Marmot is claiming to scumread him, but I don't think I agree with Mac's leap in confidently believing Marmot is bad for this. I have no reason to townread Marmot and he is a potential mafia, but I don't think this Mac business is particularly alignment-indicative, it's just Marmot being weird, as he tends to be. Idk, it could be scum or indie Marmot trying to pull some crazy gambit, but maybe he really does suspect Mac? I guess I wouldn't be opposed to a Marmot lynch today but I don't see why Mac is so confident.

....Or LC and Marmot are our two scum trying some bizarro strategy of pushing a lynch of one of the most widely townread people in the game. Crazy gambit time... I'd believe it coming from those two tbh

.........Or Mac has been bad this whole time..... but seriously I would eat a pack of tinfoil if that turned out to be the case.

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[FZ.]

I'm down to Kyle or Daisy after we lynch LC. Sure, it can also be Nova (not even sure about his name), but if so, then I don't even care...

LC has not been playing his regular game, I don't care what he says. He's being more diplomatic (in LC standards) than he usually is. Taking less of a stand and like I said, asking more questions and clarifications than I expect him to.

Some of Daisy's actions and stances are questionable, but her tone feels more genuine, and then there's kyle who has been talked about the entire game. He feels a lot more careful than Daisy to me, which makes me say he's the last baddie over her, but who knows

[MacDougall]

I'm down to Kyle or Daisy after we lynch LC. Sure, it can also be Nova (not even sure about his name), but if so, then I don't even care...

LC has not been playing his regular game, I don't care what he says. He's being more diplomatic (in LC standards) than he usually is. Taking less of a stand and like I said, asking more questions and clarifications than I expect him to.

Some of Daisy's actions and stances are questionable, but her tone feels more genuine, and then there's kyle who has been talked about the entire game. He feels a lot more careful than Daisy to me, which makes me say he's the last baddie over her, but who knows

I presume you believe Marmot to be a civ then?

[FZ.]

I'm down to Kyle or Daisy after we lynch LC. Sure, it can also be Nova (not even sure about his name), but if so, then I don't even care...

LC has not been playing his regular game, I don't care what he says. He's being more diplomatic (in LC standards) than he usually is. Taking less of a stand and like I said, asking more questions and clarifications than I expect him to.

Some of Daisy's actions and stances are questionable, but her tone feels more genuine, and then there's kyle who has been talked about the entire game. He feels a lot more careful than Daisy to me, which makes me say he's the last baddie over her, but who knows

I presume you believe Marmot to be a civ then?

Not sold on it, but yeah