[END] Pikmin Mafia

[Glorfindel]

Can you please explain the reasoning there?

He can't Spacedaisy because there isn't any... I am not Mafia.

@Matt, perhaps you could remind us all again (for the fourth time) about how you are a sweet innocent little Pikmin - because frankly, I'm having an increasingly hard time believing that...

While I agree Matt has yet to explain his suspicion on you, it doesn't bode well for you to reply to his accusation with a "NO U" and also fail to explain it.

I should think that his continual baseless accusations against me are sufficient provocation for me to question where his allegiance lies. As if he were making such accusations against yourself without explanation you wouldn't find that suspicious?

[Epignosis]

Can you please explain the reasoning there?

He can't Spacedaisy because there isn't any... I am not Mafia.

@Matt, perhaps you could remind us all again (for the fourth time) about how you are a sweet innocent little Pikmin - because frankly, I'm having an increasingly hard time believing that...

While I agree Matt has yet to explain his suspicion on you, it doesn't bode well for you to reply to his accusation with a "NO U" and also fail to explain it.

I should think that his continual baseless accusations against me are sufficient provocation for me to question where his allegiance lies. As if he were making such accusations against yourself without explanation you wouldn't find that suspicious?

Not especially, no.

[Epignosis]

It was how I read your early interactions with him. They didn't make much sense to me otherwise.

You should understand that if I had an out-of-thread interaction with Simon that told me he was any alignment, I would ask MP to replace me.

[Boomslang]

b) If he is bad and lynched later in the game, I'm someone his teamies (or townies even) can say "Hey look Epi didn't have any interaction with Matt whatsoever"

It amazes me how your mind works. Here's a list of people I don't have any on-topic interactions with:

agleaminranks
Boomslang
Enrique
Glorfindel
kneel4justice
Matt
Soneji

Not for lack of trying. While I suppose I didn't call you out directly, I did mention you:

@MM: Some good points. The distancing Epi performs after the lynch result is pretty astounding, especially given his vote changes, especially especially given that he did that vote change out of necessity.

However, I'm curious what you think about the timing of the sig-Epi interactions. Especially the leap sig makes from "lynching Zebra is a waster of time" to "a Zebra lynch is good too" in the span of roughly 30 minutes.

[Epignosis]

b) If he is bad and lynched later in the game, I'm someone his teamies (or townies even) can say "Hey look Epi didn't have any interaction with Matt whatsoever"

It amazes me how your mind works. Here's a list of people I don't have any on-topic interactions with:

agleaminranks
Boomslang
Enrique
Glorfindel
kneel4justice
Matt
Soneji

Not for lack of trying. While I suppose I didn't call you out directly, I did mention you:

@MM: Some good points. The distancing Epi performs after the lynch result is pretty astounding, especially given his vote changes, especially especially given that he did that vote change out of necessity.

However, I'm curious what you think about the timing of the sig-Epi interactions. Especially the leap sig makes from "lynching Zebra is a waster of time" to "a Zebra lynch is good too" in the span of roughly 30 minutes.

Well, since you've seen fit to bring it up, what about my "distancing" I performed after the lynch result was "pretty astounding?"

What distancing? And what was pretty astounding?

Also, the Bengals are fucked now.

[Marmot]

Also, the Bengals are fucked now.

Oh no you didn't!

[Boomslang]

Also, Enrique, what do you think of Boomslang's "I'm not down for lynching Simon...yet" Ha!

Ok, that's a gross misinterpretation. Actual quote:

I'm gonna tie this up based on the backpedaling of sig, which strikes me as a really bad move, and because I don't think Simon deserves the lynch quite yet.

No ellipsis, and the word "deserves" is meant to suggest I don't think there's sufficient evidence to make that lynch call. In other news, I share Spacedaisy's confusion as to why you think lynching Simon will clue us in to Glorf.

Linki w/Epi: See MM's discussion of your post "Weakest Day 1 I've ever seen. Get your heads out of your underwear." In summary, you played a not insignificant role in Day 1, and instead of owning your mistake you assigned generalized blame to the rest of the playerbase. And ok, "astounding" is probably a bit rhetorical of a flourish, but your own rhetorical turn of disowning the Zebra lynch seems clear-cut to me.

Also, RIP Dalton Steelers are all FEBs, every last one of them.

[Tangrowth]

Night 2 has ended.

[Tangrowth]

Night 2

The Burrowing Snagret tormented the helpless creatures once more! This time it managed to take the life of Sorsha! The group began to mourn her death... only for the snake-bird hybrid to attack once more! Thankfully, ????? survived the evil creature's relentless attack.

Meanwhile, the protagonists ventured into caves, eager to find treasure. Fortunately, they were successful, and not a single pikmin fell victim to enemies lurking in the caverns.

Despite some good fortune, this was the first time the group had lost one of their own at Night. A sense of urgency grew among the explorers. They knew they had to find and destroy these bosses... and quickly.


Night 2 has ended.

Sorsha has been killed by Burrowing Snagret.
????? has survived a kill attempt by Burrowing Snagret.

It is now Day 3. You have 24 hours to lynch a boss!

[Sorsha]

RIP me

[Epignosis]

Burrowing Dingaling tried to kill a Sorsha Pikmin and a Rock Pikmin. That's how I read it.

[Marmot]

By the way, I almost never see coaching in BTSC.

What about in these circumstances? You've made it clear that Simon has never been mafia before. If he is bad, then I believe he would be receiving some assistance.

Linki: well bye Sorsha.

[Epignosis]

By the way, I almost never see coaching in BTSC.

What about in these circumstances? You've made it clear that Simon has never been mafia before. If he is bad, then I believe he would be receiving some assistance.

Linki: well bye Sorsha.

In these circumstances, I don't agree with you.

[Marmot]

By the way, I almost never see coaching in BTSC.

What about in these circumstances? You've made it clear that Simon has never been mafia before. If he is bad, then I believe he would be receiving some assistance.

Linki: well bye Sorsha.

In these circumstances, I don't agree with you.

I don't agree with me either.

[Epignosis]

I only recommend a Simon lynch at this point if you all interpret his "I think so" to mean "I don't remember who is on my team."

For my part, I'm going to start sniffing elsewhere. Someone tried to kill two of us and only nabbed one. I recommend we look at that beautiful Day 0 poll again.

[Epignosis]

DAY 0

Which is the cutest Pikmin?

Poll ended at Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:24:34 pm


Red
1
Metalmarsh89 (4) 5%

Blue
4
Typhoony (5), Enrique (8), kneel4justice (9), Boomslang (11) 20%

Yellow
5
a2thezebra (6), Sorsha (7), Glorfindel (17), FZ. (19), Simon (20) 25%

Rock
2
Epignosis (2), Dragon D. Luffy (10) 10%

Winged
2
sig (14), Matt (15) 10%

Purple
2
Spacedaisy (16), agleaminranks (18) 10%

White
2
DrWilgy (12), Scotty (13) 10%

Why isn't there Green? (host, deadies, non-players)
2
MovingPictures07 (1), S~V~S (3) 10%

Total votes : 20

[Epignosis]

Since a2z wasn't yellow and sig wasn't winged, I'm started to distrust my conclusion regarding DDL.

[Epignosis]

*starting

[Marmot]

Since a2z wasn't yellow and sig wasn't winged, I'm started to distrust my conclusion regarding DDL.

This doesn't apply to everyone.

[Marmot]

Matt.

How are you doing today?

[Boomslang]

I only recommend a Simon lynch at this point if you all interpret his "I think so" to mean "I don't remember who is on my team."

For my part, I'm going to start sniffing elsewhere. Someone tried to kill two of us and only nabbed one. I recommend we look at that beautiful Day 0 poll again.

What exactly do you hope to gain from the Day 0 poll? I doubt anyone listed his or her favorite Pikmin as the one he or she actually was. Which, now that I think about it, would suggest neither you nor Luffy were Rock Pikmin, and thus slightly more likely to be bosses because we're pretty sure a Rock was targeted last night.

[Enrique]

I only recommend a Simon lynch at this point if you all interpret his "I think so" to mean "I don't remember who is on my team."

For my part, I'm going to start sniffing elsewhere. Someone tried to kill two of us and only nabbed one. I recommend we look at that beautiful Day 0 poll again.

What exactly do you hope to gain from the Day 0 poll? I doubt anyone listed his or her favorite Pikmin as the one he or she actually was. Which, now that I think about it, would suggest neither you nor Luffy were Rock Pikmin, and thus slightly more likely to be bosses because we're pretty sure a Rock was targeted last night.

[Epignosis]

I only recommend a Simon lynch at this point if you all interpret his "I think so" to mean "I don't remember who is on my team."

For my part, I'm going to start sniffing elsewhere. Someone tried to kill two of us and only nabbed one. I recommend we look at that beautiful Day 0 poll again.

What exactly do you hope to gain from the Day 0 poll? I doubt anyone listed his or her favorite Pikmin as the one he or she actually was. Which, now that I think about it, would suggest neither you nor Luffy were Rock Pikmin, and thus slightly more likely to be bosses because we're pretty sure a Rock was targeted last night.

Indeed.

[Boomslang]

What? Epi, you just said you believed a Rock Pikmin to have been targeted last night. Or are you reacting to something else? I'm honestly confused.

[Epignosis]

What? Epi, you just said you believed a Rock Pikmin to have been targeted last night. Or are you reacting to something else? I'm honestly confused.

Honestly confused?

Is there a time when you are falsely confused?

[Boomslang]

What? Epi, you just said you believed a Rock Pikmin to have been targeted last night. Or are you reacting to something else? I'm honestly confused.

Honestly confused?

Is there a time when you are falsely confused?

Quit dodging questions, which seems to be a pattern for you (cf. earlier refusal to answer "are you Mafia" and "are you a boss"). What about my previous post strikes you as worthy?

[Epignosis]

What? Epi, you just said you believed a Rock Pikmin to have been targeted last night. Or are you reacting to something else? I'm honestly confused.

Honestly confused?

Is there a time when you are falsely confused?

Quit dodging questions, which seems to be a pattern for you (cf. earlier refusal to answer "are you Mafia" and "are you a boss"). What about my previous post strikes you as worthy?

Quit dodging questions? Did I dodge the questions or did I answer them? I'd like an answer to that, and if you think I dodged them, HOW did I dodge them?

You dodged my question. If there are a time when you are falsely confused?

[Epignosis]

*If there was a time when you were falsely confused

[Epignosis]

I just learned that, in addition to my troubles, I require a new keyboard.

[Boomslang]

What? Epi, you just said you believed a Rock Pikmin to have been targeted last night. Or are you reacting to something else? I'm honestly confused.

Honestly confused?

Is there a time when you are falsely confused?

Quit dodging questions, which seems to be a pattern for you (cf. earlier refusal to answer "are you Mafia" and "are you a boss"). What about my previous post strikes you as worthy?

Quit dodging questions? Did I dodge the questions or did I answer them? I'd like an answer to that, and if you think I dodged them, HOW did I dodge them?

You dodged my question. If there are a time when you are falsely confused?

This is clearly not a productive interchange. Are there times when I am falsely confused? Sure, feigning ignorance is something I do on occasion for effect. But not at this juncture.

Previously, you dodge the question of "Are you Mafia?" by reframing it in the terms of the game (bosses). You dodged the question of "are you a boss" by posting a picture of what appears to be a 19th century political boss.

Most recently, you dodged the question that follows: "What about my post regarding the Day 0 poll struck you as suspicious?"
Answer that, and we're getting somewhere.

[Scotty]

Well that sucks. I'm sorry you were the Dragnet's breakfast, Sorsha.

It's almost time for me to look at voting patterns to get a better read on several people. Just gonna pick 3 people. Still a tad early to draw worthwhile conclusions, but whatever. I'll make pizza out of waffles.

1) Typhoony.
Day 1: votes zebra toward the end of phase
Reason: She looked like she was getting the most votes so...bye, felicia!

Day 2: vows to be more informed, was pinged by me (but doesn't push it), and votes sig.
Reason: thinks it's a bad idea to siphon the votes out. Doesn't buy sig's claim that he intentionally dug his own grave.

I'm saving my vote to create the biggest distance possible between Simon and Sig. I'd very much prefer a Sig lynch fwiw, but a close lynch is a useless lynch in this game imo.

He again pushes the idea that more votes need to be stacked on one player. He votes for sig when he has 6 votes- a margin of 3 with Simon- no mention of Simon before this.

Now he has doubted the validity of Epi's suspicion of Simon because he would have to trust Epi. This makes him uncomfortable.

The guy has latched onto the big trains in the first few votes here. His reads have been minimal (he still has less than 20 posts) and so far his reads have been wrong.

My read: He is playing a blendy game so far, and I don't like his reads/voting thus far. I've got my eye on him.


2) MetalMarsh
Day 1: votes zebra, then changes to DDL
Reason: picks zebra because...uhm...because. Votes DDL as a NO U for voting him, I guess? He has about as much reason behind his votes on this day 1 as Santa would have substituting for the tooth fairy.

Day 2: Asks people questions:

I'm still catching up myself as well.

Are you a member of mafia Matt?

Epignosis, are you a member of mafia?

Are you on sig's team Scotty?

Votes Epignosis, and follows it up with a wall o text outlining Epi's apparent distancing, finding it odd that he voted for Simon while simultaneously saying he won't get lynched day 1.

My read: His read on Epi is backed up and he has stepped up his sniffing the past day, I feel. I'm leaning civ on him right now. But it is MM...I'm not yet at the point where, if we were on a date and I left to go to the bathroom, I would trust that he wouldn't casually slip rat poison in my whiskey ginger.


3) SpaceDaisy

Day 1: Votes Enrique
Reason:

I voted Enrique when he came and put a random vote on Glorfindel who I would like to see get a chance to enjoy a good game, so I didn't want him to be a random lynch victim on Day 1.

Day 2: Votes Simon
Reason:

Because I think Epi is civ who truly believes his son is bad. And I think there is some merit to his reasoning. And I also have mild suspicion of sig, so either way I think we might learn something.

She ties up the vote between Simon and sig.

My read: She's very good at summarizing why she votes the way she votes and her reasoning behind it has logic. She rattles off Soneji, Typhoony, and Matt as her day 1 mafia reads, but gets on a high horse when people are looking to vote out Glorf. Now that we have advanced a few days, I'm wondering if she is going to lean Simon again or set her sights on either Matt or Enrique, the former of whom she is peeved at currently for getting on her case of being buddies with Glor.
I have a neutral read on her right now, maybe a slight civ. I tend to agree with her opinions so far this game, but think she is putting too many eggs in the Epi basket. Does she still trust him as much as she did on Day 2?


In other news, when kneel4justice comes out of his slumber, I'm wondering if he has any new thoughts on the happenings of the last 24 hours.

[Marmot]

Clearly I'm doing something wrong.

[kneel4justice]

RIP Sorsha.

Sorry for not being active throughout these last 24 hours, Scotty.
I just tried to catch up - noticed I had missed your response to my vote. To clarify, your explanation for voting Simon over Epi did not put me at ease, because I feel Simon is the much easier option. If you had actually trusted Epi, that would be another thing. However, you voted for Simon (partially) because of Epi's sureness, meanwhile you thought he could be scum. I do not follow that logic.
Also, your comments about tunneling do you no good in my book. It is like when people tell me I am not giving them a chance, when I am. If you give me things that make me feel better, then I will feel better, but if you give me things that I find suspicious, I will continue to be suspicious. And last day phase your vote for Simon was only adding onto my previous D1 suspicion, as I have explained.

As for comments on the new things...
Would like to hear from Matt about his suspicion of Glorfindel because I have no idea what he is talking about. I thought it was odd, but he's promised to prepare a case, so we will see. I do think his questioning of Spacedaisy was odd, like are we not supposed to wonder about a baseless suspicion?
Spacedaisy's posts have come across rather genuine to me. Trying to get to the bottom of things by asking questions. She also doesn't seem to back down in her actions (like when she voted for Simon).
I feel like people are not giving Simon any credit at all for thinking that he would slip up like that when asked about Sig being on the same team (originally I did read it like, he thought sig was good, but then his response seemed like not) but seriously, I feel like the suspicion of him implies he does not understand the concept of the game. And he's played before, so, I'm sure he would know not to admit to having teammates. Yes the word choice could have been better, but again he is younger.

Will go see if there is anything else that I missed.

[kneel4justice]

Well that sucks. I'm sorry you were the Dragnet's breakfast, Sorsha.

It's almost time for me to look at voting patterns to get a better read on several people. Just gonna pick 3 people. Still a tad early to draw worthwhile conclusions, but whatever. I'll make pizza out of waffles.

1) Typhoony.
Day 1: votes zebra toward the end of phase
Reason: She looked like she was getting the most votes so...bye, felicia!

Day 2: vows to be more informed, was pinged by me (but doesn't push it), and votes sig.
Reason: thinks it's a bad idea to siphon the votes out. Doesn't buy sig's claim that he intentionally dug his own grave.

I'm saving my vote to create the biggest distance possible between Simon and Sig. I'd very much prefer a Sig lynch fwiw, but a close lynch is a useless lynch in this game imo.

He again pushes the idea that more votes need to be stacked on one player. He votes for sig when he has 6 votes- a margin of 3 with Simon- no mention of Simon before this.

Now he has doubted the validity of Epi's suspicion of Simon because he would have to trust Epi. This makes him uncomfortable.

The guy has latched onto the big trains in the first few votes here. His reads have been minimal (he still has less than 20 posts) and so far his reads have been wrong.

My read: He is playing a blendy game so far, and I don't like his reads/voting thus far. I've got my eye on him.

Typhoony's votes are definitely pinging me. I understand wanting to make sure that votes are set up in a way where manipulation will less likely to come into effect, however it feels like this has taken priority over actual suspicions and I don't like that. Granted he was suspicious of Sig, but I do think the votes have been following the majority wave a bit too much/conveniently. Also it is strange how he felt your (Scotty's) vote for Sig D1 was weird, but still voted for Sig...despite being suspicious of you. Being suspicious of some of the Sig voters (such as you) is one reason I could not get behind the suspicion

[Spacedaisy]

Scotty, regarding what you have to say about me:

1. I was simply throwing out a random three name guess, no real suspicion of those three, thus the reason I wasn't voting them. I was being silly, seeing how close to right I might be once the game is done and we know who the baddies are.

2. I will say this one last time. I reacted the way I did to the Glorfindel votes because he nearly quit the site the first game he played because of difficult interactions. I wanted his next attempt to be more enjoyable for him so I hated to see him get lynched right off the bat for no freaking reason.

3. The reason I trust Epi is because I remember him saying a long time ago in an off topic thread how honest Simon is. And a stickler for following the rules. And I believe Epi knows his son well enough to catch little things the rest of us would be inclined to ignore because we would write it off as. Oh he's only 8, oh he was just confused, etc. I grilled Epi on it because I wanted to gauge just how strongly he felt about it, because I don't relish voting for an 8 year old, especially one as awesome as Simon. If Epi were to tell me right now he isn't as sure, I'd be willing to back off another vote of Simon.

3. I'm not peeved at Matt for being on my case about being buddies with Glorfindel. I'm not peeved at him for anything. I'm frustrated with him for making a declaration of someone's guilt as though it were obvious information with no real explanation. Clearly I'm not the only one who is missing the connection either. It has nothing to do with it being Glorfindel. If it were you I would be having the same reaction.

4. Regarding Matt, I am feeling very bad about him currently. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy he is one of my all time favorites, for real. But the fact that he declared someone bad, then when asked to explain why he refused to give an explanation saying everyone ignores his cases anyway (though in fairness he said he would later) then said the people who were questioning him on why he came to that conclusion are bad. I really I look forward to his explanation because it may be what helps me decide what I think about his alignment. Either I'm going to see and understand his logic, or I just don't know...

5. Regarding Enrique: I don't have any suspicion of Enrique beyond a day one vote. I didn't like his day 1 vote so I voted to show how I felt about it. That's about it. I can't say anything he has done since then has been particularly shady seeming to me, I don't foresee voting him today unless something drastic happens.

Linki @k4j: I agree with all your thoughts but one. I did not vote Simon because I think he has a lack of understanding. I think what Epi was saying is he knows his son, and knows he has a hard time lying because he takes things and speaks literally so he seemed to be saying he thinks Simon's wording indicated his confusion was due to that side of him, which would seem to say he was likely bad. I don't think Simon's grasp of the game is in question, he's a sharp kid.

[kneel4justice]

Can you please explain the reasoning there?

Yes. 2+2=4 therefore since sig is civ, and if Simon is bad, then Glorfindel needs to go.

But I'm also cool with skipping straight to lynching Glorfindel if everyone else is up for it.

Also, Enrique, what do you think of Boomslang's "I'm not down for lynching Simon...yet" Ha!

I didn't ask you to repeat yourself I asked you to explain it. I am willing to listen to any case, and if there is some logic there I might be swayed, but simply saying if this person is bad and this person is civ then this other person must be bad. I need to understand what you used to draw these conclusions. Because Glorfindel did not vote Simon?

Been there done that. I make up huge cases, they subsequently get ignored.

Spacedaisy, is there a reason you do not want to lynch Glorfindel? I'm beginning to think your readiness to lynch an 8 year old yet your continuing momma bearing of Glorfindel is suspish.

Oh, I forgot that Glorfindel was the player that Daisy did not want to be randomly lynched D1. So this comment makes a bit more sense taking into account that. Still, don't find Daisy suspicious. Why openly defend a teammate like that? Perhaps if the numbers were actually looking bad for Glorfindel. But still, asking to hear your thoughts on this connection to Simon is not suspicious to me, because it seems a very random thought.

[Spacedaisy]

I was doing my best MP impression for that last post.

[Scotty]

Clearly I'm doing something wrong.

??? Are you playing tennis with a cricket bat?

I was doing my best MP impression for that last post.

Not enough rainbow

RIP Sorsha.

Sorry for not being active throughout these last 24 hours, Scotty.
I just tried to catch up - noticed I had missed your response to my vote. To clarify, your explanation for voting Simon over Epi did not put me at ease, because I feel Simon is the much easier option. If you had actually trusted Epi, that would be another thing. However, you voted for Simon (partially) because of Epi's sureness, meanwhile you thought he could be scum. I do not follow that logic.
Also, your comments about tunneling do you no good in my book. It is like when people tell me I am not giving them a chance, when I am. If you give me things that make me feel better, then I will feel better, but if you give me things that I find suspicious, I will continue to be suspicious. And last day phase your vote for Simon was only adding onto my previous D1 suspicion, as I have explained.

I agree that Simon was the easier option- but easier doesn't always = wrong. I do continue to find myself swaying in the Trusting Tree (tm) in regards to Epi's innocence. I don't trust the guy- it would be unwise to do so to anyone in the game right now- but it doesn't mean I don't see his logic and am willing to run with it. If Epi is wrong, then he will have been wrong about 2 people, and I would be more willing to vote him. To make such a brash statement as his son is bad early game, I expect a result.

Sorry I'm a tunneler. I've been to an AA meeting, but no tunneler one as of yet.
I'd give you things to make you feel better, but I don't know your symptoms. You just reminded me to take my Multivitamin today! Thanks man!

As it stands right now, our logic isn't synching. And I dunno if it will. But I'm willing to work to get there if possible.

[Glorfindel]

My observations:

Spacedaisy: I'm not going to lie - irrespective of who she votes for, I consider her one of the most transparently 'Towny' players in this game right now. Admittedly, my judgement could be coloured by the fact that she seems to me to be a genuinely lovely person but if I'm wrong for holding such a view, so be it. Vote for me Spacesdaisy, don't vote for me - my opinion of you won't change - although I believe that you are smart enough to know the truth and not have your opinion distorted by deliberate untruths and half-truths.

Typhoony: I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here and say that to me, this guy is NOT leaning Mafia. I'll admit that some of his posts have seemed a little 'flaky' but from his tone, I'm not reading any kind of malice.

Matt: Matt confuses me a lot. I thought he seemed really nice and rational but now he claims to have some conclusive case that proves my guilt (which as I've said before simply cannot have any basis in fact) and I feel like there's something to his constant, repetitive claims of being a Pikmin that I should be picking up but I'm not getting it. Thinking it over, I'm not remotely certain that he is Mafia but his behaviour this game just seems a little peculiar.

More to follow later...

[Matt]

This game is a hoot! Whatever the result, Epi goin' after Simon is a special Christmas Mafia memory to remember.

As for Glorfindel, I'm mostly goin' after him for the funsies. But in a jiffy here's my "case"...Early in the game Glorfindel specifically gave Simon a big hug and said "glad to play with you again!". Then when Epi started getting on Simon's case, I remembered that post from Glorfindel. Then sig starts getting attention for whatever god awful reason you people came up with, and Glorfindel goes after sig. sig, who btw is the only player who has any kind of meta on Glorfindel, states he believes Glorfindel to be bad as well. Therefore if sig is good and Simon is bad let's lynch Glorfindel! Duh best case ever.

Anyway, I'm havin' fun sparring with Glorfindel, doesn't mean I'm bad. As Glorfindel himself notes, I'm just a cute, little, innocent Pikmin!

Anyone iso Daisy? To whom it may concern, of course Daisy protecting Glorfindel doesn't mean they're teamies. However it's possible Daisy is mafioso and happens to know Glorfindel is good, hence the "let's protect the civvie" card. Therefore suspish. Especially since she was willing to lynch Simon of all people. I dunno, doesn't add up.

Is everyone havin' a grand Pikmin time? I know I am!

[Glorfindel]

As for Glorfindel, I'm mostly goin' after him for the funsies. But in a jiffy here's my "case"...Early in the game Glorfindel specifically gave Simon a big hug and said "glad to play with you again!". Then when Epi started getting on Simon's case, I remembered that post from Glorfindel.

For the record, there is NO WAY on GOD'S GREEN EARTH that I am ever going to retract or attempt to explain away my encouraging of an eight year old who is playing this game. I was happy to be playing with you too - what are you going to make of that?

As Glorfindel himself notes, I'm just a cute, little, innocent Pikmin!

#5 Just sayin'

Anyone iso Daisy? To whom it may concern, of course Daisy protecting Glorfindel doesn't mean they're teamies. However it's possible Daisy is mafioso and happens to know Glorfindel is good, hence the "let's protect the civvie" card. Therefore suspish. Especially since she was willing to lynch Simon of all people. I dunno, doesn't add up.

There is a chance you could very well be right there Matt but I'm sufficiently confident in my instincts and ability to read people to stand by what I have said already on the public record about Spacedaisy.

And you're right, this is a truly intriguing game...

[Typhoony]

Scotty, what do you think you can learn from voting patterns when there hasn't been a baddie lynched yet?
I'd also like to know how you came to the conclusion to research these 3 people, please.

I don't have the time in the weekends to properly play this month hence my D1 vote. (I'll be out of the country from Friday till Sunday, so don't expect much from me there either, except a post to vote).
I'm a tactical and analytical player who doesn't like saying redundant stuff and with the amount of voting manipulation the baddies can have (see the +2 to every pikmin in the game) I may give priority to that over actual suspicions when I vote.
If the game is at a later stage, I will probably let that go since Pikmin will be likely to have extra votes as well... Which makes it hard to be sure of any poll result by just looking at the poll.
And really, "so far his reads has been wrong"? Welcome to everyone in the game Scotty.

Kneel4justice:
I am suspicious of Scotty's sig vote. I was more suspicious of sig. Hence, I voted sig.

[Matt]

Glorfindel. What do you make of the Simon/Epignosis thing? If one were bad, who would you choose?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Okay I'll try to do an ISO on Glorfindel to make sense of this madness.

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So we're underway and we're lynching Sig because of a spelling error? My God, if that's what we've come to that is a fairly sad state of affairs

You still have 22 hours to decide sig's fate. Will you...

a) Add him to your party.
b) Offer yourself up to be lynched instead (this option is recommended for all mafia members).
c) Give that guy a vote. He's got to go.
d) Flee.

If spelling errors were an indication of someone's Mafia alignment, Sig would undoubtedly be unspeakably evil but I'm not convinced at this point that he is. I'm just wondering if there was some more logical way to approach this...?

Voices disagreement on lynching Sig, but seems to have a pretty shallow view on the matter. I'm pretty sure Sig is not being lynched for just a spelling error at this point (not that he was lynched for big reasons, though)

Metalmarsh makes a jokester post and Glorf fails to get the joke. Keeps voicing disagreement on what is perceived as a literal version of grammar nazi-ing.

Then he goes on an argument with Zebra about the merits of self-voting, which I won't bother to quote.

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I'm kinda torn at this point. I hate having to vote for someone based on no evidence or reasoning.

Right now, I see Zebs as rather genuine so I'm satisfied that she is not worthy of my vote.

I know Sig has become a formidable Mafia member (in comparison to his Town performances) and I don't know - I see signs of him putting in a genuine effort like he does when he's Mafia but some of his remarks appear to be a little clumsy so the jury is out on him.

Spacedaisy just seems nice (not unlike I'd imagine a yellow Pikmin to be ) so I don't expect I'll be voting for her anytime soon.

I'm not one to be drawn into retaliatory voting easily so I'm not inclined right now to vote Enrique but I am HIGHLY suspicious of the alacrity with which he latched his vote on me without (as far as I can see) any evidence

Matt is correct - he was one of the kind souls that reached out to me following the Star Wars debacle and while I am very grateful to him for his consideration, he is mistaken if he thinks that I wouldn't vote him down in a heartbeat if I really believed he was Mafia.

First post where he actually posts reads. Trusts Zebra. And Daisy (which fits with Daisy having defended him at this point). Torn on Sig. Wants to make it clear he would vote for Matt despite liking him as a person. But doesn't like Enrique's vote on him, and might suspect him for that despite doubting his mafia status.

Glorfindel is already showing signs of what would be obvious later, which is that he plays the game very personally. He lynches whoever he doesn't like the defends the ones he likes. He says this isn't true by using Matt as an example, but the fact he is even bother to point that out suggests this to be an exception to the rule.

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Those of you that have me on their baddie list, know you are hunting a cute, innocent Pikmin.

Matt, to my recollection this is the second time you've said this in under about eight hours - the thing is, the majority of us are. You are starting to sound like you're trying overly hard to convince someone that you are...

Mild suspicion on Matt for the way he is posting. Looks like he might be weary about Matt since he was bad last game. Or he is bad and trying to manufacture a suspicion.

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I love that Matt has all the mafia figured out.
I always wanted to play a game where everyone names who they think the mafia members are on the first day, based on gut feeling of day 0 or day 1, and then we look at the list at the end of the game and see who's intuition we should rely on in the future.

For the fun of it.

Glorfindel
Matt
sig

Four posts in almost 48 hours and the justification for his vote on me is "For the fun of it"? This was followed by Matt inviting Boomslang to join in on a vote on me and after being challenged by Spacedaisy, Matt changes his vote TO Boomslang. I don't like what I'm seeing here and I'm wondering if this exchange was an indication of something more sinister? I may change my vote later but for now, I'm prepared to vote for Enrique. I think that if he should turn out to be Mafia, it may give us something more to work with.

He was acting funny, it was early into Day 1, I could change my vote. Now I'm more than happy to leave it there because he jumped into the opportunity to kill me so easily.

I was "acting funny"? I don't think so... My behaviour is (and has been) completely normal for me and I'd like to know what point of reference you're using to judge otherwise? As for 'jumping into the opportunity to kill you so easily', that is clearly untrue. I defended you and refused to vote for you in Star Wars and was deceived so you can't argue that I wouldn't give you the benefit of the doubt now. I also find your insinuation that I would take voting for you or anyone else lightly as somewhat hypocritical given the flippancy with which you voted for me ("For the fun of it").

The trend continues. Somebody (Enrique) votes for Glorfindel and he is pissed.

In the next few posts, he defends Zebra. The main argument is a meta one comparing to Star Wars, where she was, ironically, mafia (granted, I'm guilty of making the same flawed comparison). Not gonna quote them all, just say he is firmly against the Zebra bandwagon.

Well day 1 is over, Glorfindel voted Enrique, and Zebra flipped innocent Pikmin.

What comes next is a long series of some really annoying white-knighting (which I later called "flirting", though admitelly I was mostly joking. That's none of my business). Enjoy:

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I'd played but half a game with Zebs and even I could see she wasn't Mafia. I wonder what that says about anyone else that had played with her more extensively and had a different opinion

I'd played but half a game with Zebs and even I could see she wasn't Mafia. I wonder what that says about anyone else that had played with her more extensively and had a different opinion

Five of us voted for Zeeb, six including Epig. It wouldn't be Mafia if people didn't get things wrong.

Let me understand this, you are saying that the six of you 'just got it wrong'? You are asking me to believe that there was no Mafia on her wagon?

Yay, no death!

Yes, K4J that is good news but let it not blind you to what happened here at the end of the last Day phase. Through a combination of human error and malicious intent we lost an experienced campaigner and a highly capable player in Zebs She was a massive asset to our team and I expect her demise brought much rejoicing to our opponents I don't want us to forget the magnitude of the loss we suffered there lest we make the same mistake again.

The witch hunt is on. The paragon of justice and baddie hunting skills known as Zebra is dead, and the ones responsible must pay with their lives. Only evilness of the worst nature could have resulted in the death of such a pure soul, and the people who voted here are obviously all associated with the Dark Side of the Force.

So Day 2 is on, Sig continues to make WOAT posts and Glorfindel takes the bait (or he helps the suspicion get going so other people can take the bait):

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OK, let's see what we have here... @Sig

Lol once again I'll point out the foolishness of these types of posts, Epi has said this multiply time and that is the only comeback he has when I say he is laying the groundwork for my lynch.
IN SAYING WE ARE TEAMMATE HE IS TRYING TO GET ME LYNCHED. Nobody is going to vote for SImon day 1 Epi acknowledged this, the only sensibly action following Epi's Sig/Simon idea is to lynch me and see how I flip. My flip will decided Simon's team.

Let me get this straight - you are proposing that Epi and Simon are working in league for the sole purpose of getting you lynched? Why, pray tell, do suppose they would go to such lengths to bring about your demise (when our Mafia friends achieved far worse with the lynching of Zebs with relative ease)? I'd put it to you that this is a conspiracy theory so breathtaking as to rival the Kennedy Assassination...

Then, on multiple occasions, you accuse Zebs (a player that throughout the first Day phase was pretty damn transparently Town) of being Mafia:

My bet is Zebra and Epi could be on team team, if not both then one of them. I will also be keeping my eye on DDL.

Zebra's logic for voting for me is illogical she doesn't agree with EPi, yet she thinks I'm on a teamwith Simon and we are both scum and that I would make such a mistake.
My day 1 scum team
Simon
Epi
Zebra

AND

Know Zebra is using the classic scum argument for a lynch.

AND

I'd rather lynch Epi today, but a Zebra lynch is good to.

And lastly, when it's all over and the inevitable outcome occurs, we have the crocodile tears...

So guess Zebra wasn't scum.

I'm not going to claim that I'm particularly good at this game but I know someone that is considerably more experienced than I and this is their assessment of the above...

I'd rather lynch Epi today, but a Zebra lynch is good to. If she flips mafia or civ my opinion of Epi won't have changed that much.

linki: why Enrique?

Hahahahahaha you better be lynched tomorrow.

Half of his argument is that Sig's theories are full of BS. The other half is that he was one of the ones responsible for the death of Zebra, and that he attacked her but didn't actually voted for her, which could be a sign of cowardice. He also uses Zebra's own post as an argument against Sig, which ultimately proved that we should learn to think for yourselves, and that people aren't right just because they are confirmed civ and/or have shown to be good at the game before.

There are more posts about that, I won't quote them all. K4J points out what I just said, and Glorf replies with more white-knighting:

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Well, she was dead right in her reading of me (something that appears to escape a number of you) so forgive me in having a little faith in her ability and skill at this game.

He is also mad that people have been unable to read him accurately in the last few games. Well, welcome to mafia, man. First thing you must learn: EVERYONE sucks at hunting baddies, and the shortest path to failure is to believe otherwise. Seriously, just look at this very game.

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Sig, I'm sorry. I just can't get past my suspicions of you. The evidence against you seems more valid than anything I've seen over anyone else. After WW Mafia, I know you'll understand.

Point taken.

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Hey SIMON, let's vote for your pop!

Simon, do you rat on your siblings? Are they older or younger than you?

I agree. I think Daddy's boss because he was quick in thinking that e and Sig are teammates.

I am the oldest sibling. I'm eight years old. My sister is six. She just had her birthday. My brother is three. I tell on them and boss them because I'm the oldest.

This post is like the cutest thing ever and makes it so hard to vote Simon, but I'm going to leave my vote there... I'm an awful persooooooooon!

Indeed you are Spacedaisy... Seriously though, I agree - that post of Simon's was one of the most special things I've seen playing Mafia anywhere. I honestly can't see me ever voting lynch Simon after this...

Daisy and Glorf have a cuteness overload and don't want to lynch Simon. Not sure if this means anything since it's a kind of OT reaction, but I felt like quoting.

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Can you please explain the reasoning there?

He can't Spacedaisy because there isn't any... I am not Mafia.

@Matt, perhaps you could remind us all again (for the fourth time) about how you are a sweet innocent little Pikmin - because frankly, I'm having an increasingly hard time believing that...

This post pinged me at the time, but now looking at the whole context it makes more sense. Glorfindel plays with his emotions and this is not an exception. Matt used faulty logic (or in this case, no logic at all) to suspect him, therefore he must be suspicious himself. Add it to the fact Glorfindel was weary of Matt at the start, and this could make some sense.

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My observations:

Spacedaisy: I'm not going to lie - irrespective of who she votes for, I consider her one of the most transparently 'Towny' players in this game right now. Admittedly, my judgement could be coloured by the fact that she seems to me to be a genuinely lovely person but if I'm wrong for holding such a view, so be it. Vote for me Spacesdaisy, don't vote for me - my opinion of you won't change - although I believe that you are smart enough to know the truth and not have your opinion distorted by deliberate untruths and half-truths.

Typhoony: I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here and say that to me, this guy is NOT leaning Mafia. I'll admit that some of his posts have seemed a little 'flaky' but from his tone, I'm not reading any kind of malice.

Matt: Matt confuses me a lot. I thought he seemed really nice and rational but now he claims to have some conclusive case that proves my guilt (which as I've said before simply cannot have any basis in fact) and I feel like there's something to his constant, repetitive claims of being a Pikmin that I should be picking up but I'm not getting it. Thinking it over, I'm not remotely certain that he is Mafia but his behaviour this game just seems a little peculiar.

More to follow later...

A wall of reads. This is useful. Reads civ on Daisy and seems to have a legitimate opinion on it. Doesn't have any reason to suspect Typh. Confused about Matt. To be fair, Matt is confusing.

Okay, let's finish this. If it hasn't become clear enough to this point, I don't like Glorfindel's playstyle. I try to be as cold and calculating as possible when playing mafia, and Glorf's way of playing seems to be the polar opposite. The white-knighting looks ridiculous to me, and all those OMGUS suspicions make me roll eyes. So I apologize to him for what may have been a somewhat rude post, and for the possibility of this clouding my judgement of him.

But as much as his playstyle might be questionable, Glorf seems consistent here. He doesn't back down, he puts his votes where his mouth is, and his logical path in the game makes sense. He is not trying to blend. He looks more like a newbie to me than a mafia player.

Sorry Matt, but this guy looks civ to me.

[Spacedaisy]

ISO me next, would you?

[Glorfindel]

Okay I'll try to do an ISO on Glorfindel to make sense of this madness.

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So we're underway and we're lynching Sig because of a spelling error? My God, if that's what we've come to that is a fairly sad state of affairs

You still have 22 hours to decide sig's fate. Will you...

a) Add him to your party.
b) Offer yourself up to be lynched instead (this option is recommended for all mafia members).
c) Give that guy a vote. He's got to go.
d) Flee.

If spelling errors were an indication of someone's Mafia alignment, Sig would undoubtedly be unspeakably evil but I'm not convinced at this point that he is. I'm just wondering if there was some more logical way to approach this...?

Voices disagreement on lynching Sig, but seems to have a pretty shallow view on the matter. I'm pretty sure Sig is not being lynched for just a spelling error at this point (not that he was lynched for big reasons, though)

Metalmarsh makes a jokester post and Glorf fails to get the joke. Keeps voicing disagreement on what is perceived as a literal version of grammar nazi-ing.

Then he goes on an argument with Zebra about the merits of self-voting, which I won't bother to quote.

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I'm kinda torn at this point. I hate having to vote for someone based on no evidence or reasoning.

Right now, I see Zebs as rather genuine so I'm satisfied that she is not worthy of my vote.

I know Sig has become a formidable Mafia member (in comparison to his Town performances) and I don't know - I see signs of him putting in a genuine effort like he does when he's Mafia but some of his remarks appear to be a little clumsy so the jury is out on him.

Spacedaisy just seems nice (not unlike I'd imagine a yellow Pikmin to be ) so I don't expect I'll be voting for her anytime soon.

I'm not one to be drawn into retaliatory voting easily so I'm not inclined right now to vote Enrique but I am HIGHLY suspicious of the alacrity with which he latched his vote on me without (as far as I can see) any evidence

Matt is correct - he was one of the kind souls that reached out to me following the Star Wars debacle and while I am very grateful to him for his consideration, he is mistaken if he thinks that I wouldn't vote him down in a heartbeat if I really believed he was Mafia.

First post where he actually posts reads. Trusts Zebra. And Daisy (which fits with Daisy having defended him at this point). Torn on Sig. Wants to make it clear he would vote for Matt despite liking him as a person. But doesn't like Enrique's vote on him, and might suspect him for that despite doubting his mafia status.

Glorfindel is already showing signs of what would be obvious later, which is that he plays the game very personally. He lynches whoever he doesn't like the defends the ones he likes. He says this isn't true by using Matt as an example, but the fact he is even bother to point that out suggests this to be an exception to the rule.

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Those of you that have me on their baddie list, know you are hunting a cute, innocent Pikmin.

Matt, to my recollection this is the second time you've said this in under about eight hours - the thing is, the majority of us are. You are starting to sound like you're trying overly hard to convince someone that you are...

Mild suspicion on Matt for the way he is posting. Looks like he might be weary about Matt since he was bad last game. Or he is bad and trying to manufacture a suspicion.

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I love that Matt has all the mafia figured out.
I always wanted to play a game where everyone names who they think the mafia members are on the first day, based on gut feeling of day 0 or day 1, and then we look at the list at the end of the game and see who's intuition we should rely on in the future.

For the fun of it.

Glorfindel
Matt
sig

Four posts in almost 48 hours and the justification for his vote on me is "For the fun of it"? This was followed by Matt inviting Boomslang to join in on a vote on me and after being challenged by Spacedaisy, Matt changes his vote TO Boomslang. I don't like what I'm seeing here and I'm wondering if this exchange was an indication of something more sinister? I may change my vote later but for now, I'm prepared to vote for Enrique. I think that if he should turn out to be Mafia, it may give us something more to work with.

He was acting funny, it was early into Day 1, I could change my vote. Now I'm more than happy to leave it there because he jumped into the opportunity to kill me so easily.

I was "acting funny"? I don't think so... My behaviour is (and has been) completely normal for me and I'd like to know what point of reference you're using to judge otherwise? As for 'jumping into the opportunity to kill you so easily', that is clearly untrue. I defended you and refused to vote for you in Star Wars and was deceived so you can't argue that I wouldn't give you the benefit of the doubt now. I also find your insinuation that I would take voting for you or anyone else lightly as somewhat hypocritical given the flippancy with which you voted for me ("For the fun of it").

The trend continues. Somebody (Enrique) votes for Glorfindel and he is pissed.

In the next few posts, he defends Zebra. The main argument is a meta one comparing to Star Wars, where she was, ironically, mafia (granted, I'm guilty of making the same flawed comparison). Not gonna quote them all, just say he is firmly against the Zebra bandwagon.

Well day 1 is over, Glorfindel voted Enrique, and Zebra flipped innocent Pikmin.

What comes next is a long series of some really annoying white-knighting (which I later called "flirting", though admitelly I was mostly joking. That's none of my business). Enjoy:

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I'd played but half a game with Zebs and even I could see she wasn't Mafia. I wonder what that says about anyone else that had played with her more extensively and had a different opinion

I'd played but half a game with Zebs and even I could see she wasn't Mafia. I wonder what that says about anyone else that had played with her more extensively and had a different opinion

Five of us voted for Zeeb, six including Epig. It wouldn't be Mafia if people didn't get things wrong.

Let me understand this, you are saying that the six of you 'just got it wrong'? You are asking me to believe that there was no Mafia on her wagon?

Yay, no death!

Yes, K4J that is good news but let it not blind you to what happened here at the end of the last Day phase. Through a combination of human error and malicious intent we lost an experienced campaigner and a highly capable player in Zebs She was a massive asset to our team and I expect her demise brought much rejoicing to our opponents I don't want us to forget the magnitude of the loss we suffered there lest we make the same mistake again.

The witch hunt is on. The paragon of justice and baddie hunting skills known as Zebra is dead, and the ones responsible must pay with their lives. Only evilness of the worst nature could have resulted in the death of such a pure soul, and the people who voted here are obviously all associated with the Dark Side of the Force.

So Day 2 is on, Sig continues to make WOAT posts and Glorfindel takes the bait (or he helps the suspicion get going so other people can take the bait):

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OK, let's see what we have here... @Sig

Lol once again I'll point out the foolishness of these types of posts, Epi has said this multiply time and that is the only comeback he has when I say he is laying the groundwork for my lynch.
IN SAYING WE ARE TEAMMATE HE IS TRYING TO GET ME LYNCHED. Nobody is going to vote for SImon day 1 Epi acknowledged this, the only sensibly action following Epi's Sig/Simon idea is to lynch me and see how I flip. My flip will decided Simon's team.

Let me get this straight - you are proposing that Epi and Simon are working in league for the sole purpose of getting you lynched? Why, pray tell, do suppose they would go to such lengths to bring about your demise (when our Mafia friends achieved far worse with the lynching of Zebs with relative ease)? I'd put it to you that this is a conspiracy theory so breathtaking as to rival the Kennedy Assassination...

Then, on multiple occasions, you accuse Zebs (a player that throughout the first Day phase was pretty damn transparently Town) of being Mafia:

My bet is Zebra and Epi could be on team team, if not both then one of them. I will also be keeping my eye on DDL.

Zebra's logic for voting for me is illogical she doesn't agree with EPi, yet she thinks I'm on a teamwith Simon and we are both scum and that I would make such a mistake.
My day 1 scum team
Simon
Epi
Zebra

AND

Know Zebra is using the classic scum argument for a lynch.

AND

I'd rather lynch Epi today, but a Zebra lynch is good to.

And lastly, when it's all over and the inevitable outcome occurs, we have the crocodile tears...

So guess Zebra wasn't scum.

I'm not going to claim that I'm particularly good at this game but I know someone that is considerably more experienced than I and this is their assessment of the above...

I'd rather lynch Epi today, but a Zebra lynch is good to. If she flips mafia or civ my opinion of Epi won't have changed that much.

linki: why Enrique?

Hahahahahaha you better be lynched tomorrow.

Half of his argument is that Sig's theories are full of BS. The other half is that he was one of the ones responsible for the death of Zebra, and that he attacked her but didn't actually voted for her, which could be a sign of cowardice. He also uses Zebra's own post as an argument against Sig, which ultimately proved that we should learn to think for yourselves, and that people aren't right just because they are confirmed civ and/or have shown to be good at the game before.

There are more posts about that, I won't quote them all. K4J points out what I just said, and Glorf replies with more white-knighting:

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Well, she was dead right in her reading of me (something that appears to escape a number of you) so forgive me in having a little faith in her ability and skill at this game.

He is also mad that people have been unable to read him accurately in the last few games. Well, welcome to mafia, man. First thing you must learn: EVERYONE sucks at hunting baddies, and the shortest path to failure is to believe otherwise. Seriously, just look at this very game.

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Sig, I'm sorry. I just can't get past my suspicions of you. The evidence against you seems more valid than anything I've seen over anyone else. After WW Mafia, I know you'll understand.

Point taken.

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Hey SIMON, let's vote for your pop!

Simon, do you rat on your siblings? Are they older or younger than you?

I agree. I think Daddy's boss because he was quick in thinking that e and Sig are teammates.

I am the oldest sibling. I'm eight years old. My sister is six. She just had her birthday. My brother is three. I tell on them and boss them because I'm the oldest.

This post is like the cutest thing ever and makes it so hard to vote Simon, but I'm going to leave my vote there... I'm an awful persooooooooon!

Indeed you are Spacedaisy... Seriously though, I agree - that post of Simon's was one of the most special things I've seen playing Mafia anywhere. I honestly can't see me ever voting lynch Simon after this...

Daisy and Glorf have a cuteness overload and don't want to lynch Simon. Not sure if this means anything since it's a kind of OT reaction, but I felt like quoting.

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Can you please explain the reasoning there?

He can't Spacedaisy because there isn't any... I am not Mafia.

@Matt, perhaps you could remind us all again (for the fourth time) about how you are a sweet innocent little Pikmin - because frankly, I'm having an increasingly hard time believing that...

This post pinged me at the time, but now looking at the whole context it makes more sense. Glorfindel plays with his emotions and this is not an exception. Matt used faulty logic (or in this case, no logic at all) to suspect him, therefore he must be suspicious himself. Add it to the fact Glorfindel was weary of Matt at the start, and this could make some sense.

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My observations:

Spacedaisy: I'm not going to lie - irrespective of who she votes for, I consider her one of the most transparently 'Towny' players in this game right now. Admittedly, my judgement could be coloured by the fact that she seems to me to be a genuinely lovely person but if I'm wrong for holding such a view, so be it. Vote for me Spacesdaisy, don't vote for me - my opinion of you won't change - although I believe that you are smart enough to know the truth and not have your opinion distorted by deliberate untruths and half-truths.

Typhoony: I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here and say that to me, this guy is NOT leaning Mafia. I'll admit that some of his posts have seemed a little 'flaky' but from his tone, I'm not reading any kind of malice.

Matt: Matt confuses me a lot. I thought he seemed really nice and rational but now he claims to have some conclusive case that proves my guilt (which as I've said before simply cannot have any basis in fact) and I feel like there's something to his constant, repetitive claims of being a Pikmin that I should be picking up but I'm not getting it. Thinking it over, I'm not remotely certain that he is Mafia but his behaviour this game just seems a little peculiar.

More to follow later...

A wall of reads. This is useful. Reads civ on Daisy and seems to have a legitimate opinion on it. Doesn't have any reason to suspect Typh. Confused about Matt. To be fair, Matt is confusing.

Okay, let's finish this. If it hasn't become clear enough to this point, I don't like Glorfindel's playstyle. I try to be as cold and calculating as possible when playing mafia, and Glorf's way of playing seems to be the polar opposite. The white-knighting looks ridiculous to me, and all those OMGUS suspicions make me roll eyes. So I apologize to him for what may have been a somewhat rude post, and for the possibility of this clouding my judgement of him.

But as much as his playstyle might be questionable, Glorf seems consistent here. He doesn't back down, he puts his votes where his mouth is, and his logical path in the game makes sense. He is not trying to blend. He looks more like a newbie to me than a mafia player.

Sorry Matt, but this guy looks civ to me.

DDL... Man, I've got to say I was mighty impressed by that! You clearly put a crap load of work into that and to be honest I couldn't fault your analysis. The funny thing is, I was half starting to suspect you as Mafia for reasons that I couldn't quite put my finger on. Now I get it though - you were spot on about the contrasting play style thing. I thought you came off as extremely cynical and you're dead right. I can promise you that you will NEVER find another player in these games that wears their heart on their sleeve more than I and I can see very clearly that our corresponding views of each other are seriously influenced by our playstyles. I'd like to sincerely thank you for helping me to see all of this, I've no doubt that it will help me become a better player.

[Glorfindel]

Glorfindel. What do you make of the Simon/Epignosis thing? If one were bad, who would you choose?

I honestly don't know, Matt. To this point, I've had a feeling the whole thing was a sideshow, a distraction (and not necessarily a deliberate one). It's probably just me but I don't have any trouble looking at Simon's comment about Sig generously and I personally think that what he said was interpreted less generously and then the whole thing got blown out of all proportion. I could be wrong but I sincerely have some problems seeing an eight year old as a Mafia mastermind. As for Epi, I don't know. I respect his experience and his capability but the way he seems to dodge questions that are put to him and derail other's lines of questioning by asking them questions in return to be frankly annoying. Let me ask you - I assume you have lots of experience playing in games with him, is this behaviour typical of his individual 'Town playstyle'?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Thanks, I guess.

Just FYI, I'm normally a very idealistic person in real life and I hate being mean to others, but when it comes to games, I shut it down and do everything it takes to win. I still try to be as polite as possible because a game doesn't give me the right of being rude, but anything that can be done to win without breaking the game's rules is fair to me.

(I just hope you're not manipulating me).

Also I only do those ISOs when I feel it's necessary to understand someone's alignment. I don't have time to do it on everybody, so I pick a few ones.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Glorfindel. What do you make of the Simon/Epignosis thing? If one were bad, who would you choose?

I honestly don't know, Matt. To this point, I've had a feeling the whole thing was a sideshow, a distraction (and not necessarily a deliberate one). It's probably just me but I don't have any trouble looking at Simon's comment about Sig generously and I personally think that what he said was interpreted less generously and then the whole thing got blown out of all proportion. I could be wrong but I sincerely have some problems seeing an eight year old as a Mafia mastermind. As for Epi, I don't know. I respect his experience and his capability but the way he seems to dodge questions that are put to him and derail other's lines of questioning by asking them questions in return to be frankly annoying. Let me ask you - I assume you have lots of experience playing in games with him, is this behaviour typical of his individual 'Town playstyle'?

I've played two games with him. In one game we are both civ, in the other one we were both mafia. The way he is playing this game doesn't seem that different from his civ playstyle. Now, his mafia playstyle isn't that different either, though I find it hard to remember it because I was more worried about surviving than analysing people. His is normally this condescending jerk that we have all grown to love, and his methods of hunting mafia might as well be called random. Also he tends to mess with people just for his own amusement sometimes in a way that doesn't make it clear whether he is actually suspecting them or just messing with them.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I have seen Soneji reading the thread all game, yet his post count has been minimal and his reads have been all wrong.

[VOTE: ] aubergine[VOTE:

Let's see if this makes you show up.] aubergine