Ponderosa

#161

No worries, I don't know that I will have all of my questions formulated until I know who the final 3 are.

#162

I intend to ask the following question: "Who have you voted for each night since the merger and why?"

#163

Good work sorsha! Interesting to see who ends up back here. If I were them I'd vote opt out, but I'm guessing it will be quin. Both are big threats.

#164

Yeah I was expecting Sorsha back so that win was big for her.

#165

LoRab wrote:Quin, based on several different factors, you seem the most likely candidate to have poisoned Golden and me. Did you do this? And if so, why? If not, then who do you think did it?

This is the exact same type of thing she tried to do to Sorsha the day I was lynched before I started in on LoRab myself. It actually is WHY I decided to call her out about Faraday. I hope Sorsha calls her on it.

#166

If Lorab took being poisoned less personally, the game would be radically different.

#167

She also feels she needs a baddie reason to "suspect" people. Like when she came out trying to imply Sorsha wasn't giving fish to people. I had told her that Sorsha was in fact giving fish to people, and that Scotty had said that she could still share, just everyone else couldn't when the food sharing was stopped. But she still felt the need to try to make a "case" that Sorsha was "bad".

#168

insertnamehere wrote:If Lorab took being poisoned less personally, the game would be radically different.

I feel like I may have ruined my good girl reputation by poisoning her and golden. But I really thought nwebwouldbhave this in the bag and that we would be the last three. I thought...If they were poisoned, they may be eliminated due to lack of food/water and it would help me win.

#169

I don't take any offence elo. I never guessed it was you!

#170

Perhaps a question I can use:
Of all the players, which one do you feel did you the most wrong?

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Nah, I don't want people focusing on that negative stuff.

#171

Elohcin wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:If Lorab took being poisoned less personally, the game would be radically different.
I feel like I may have ruined my good girl reputation by poisoning her and golden. But I really thought nwebwouldbhave this in the bag and that we would be the last three. I thought...If they were poisoned, they may be eliminated due to lack of food/water and it would help me win.

Not at all. You were playing to win. Just like them. We play a game where you have to let the dark side out at times. You haven't tarnished your good girl image.

speedchuck wrote:Perhaps a question I can use:
Of all the players, which one do you feel did you the most wrong?

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Nah, I don't want people focusing on that negative stuff.

Well, I might ask a question or so like that.

So far I am going to ask all of them:

What percentage of your success do you attribute to skill, and what percentage to luck?

The others not so sure yet. It will depend on who the three are.

#172

I don't think LoRab is doing herself any favors with Sorsha or Opt with this going after Quin like she is.

#173

S~V~S wrote:I don't think LoRab is doing herself any favors with Sorsha or Opt with this going after Quin like she is.

Why not? Quin is not them. Sorsha is right that they should vote for the biggest threat to win (and that is Quin in my opinion, I'll probably vote for him if he makes it through this vote, although I do think his role helping him find idols all the time gave him a big advantage, so I have to think about that...) LoRab is doing a fine job of painting a target the three might be able to agree on, I think.

Honestly, my expectation is that Quin will end up back here. He would have been better off with me. I intended to tie it two all at this point to help Quin even if that meant I voted for Opt! But he had no way of knowing that. But if he makes it through, good on him!

I also think LoRab has been deliberately going after people she can paint as 'baddies' because you should vote out people who aren't acting in your interests. LoRab spent most of her time in btsc trying to argue why particular people weren't on your side and why you should vote them. I see that as sound strategy.

#174

I disagree.She is playing traditional Mafia here, like other people care about that. There are no "baddies". She is trying to get him lynched like in a mafia game, but the others may actually (especially Opt) admire a move like that, not think it needs to be punished by voting him out.

Unless Sorsha changed her focus ALOT I think she is more likely to vote for Lorab than Quin, but I have never even pretended to know how Sorsha thinks.

#175

S~V~S wrote:I disagree.She is playing traditional Mafia here, like other people care about that. There are no "baddies". She is trying to get him lynched like in a mafia game, but the others may actually (especially Opt) admire a move like that, not think it needs to be punished by voting him out.

Unless Sorsha changed her focus ALOT I think she is more likely to vote for Lorab than Quin, but I have never even pretended to know how Sorsha thinks.

If you admire what someone does, that's why you vote them out. The jury will admire them too.

I think they'd be foolish to vote for LoRab. Opt and Quin are the obvious threats to win here.

#176

You're talking as a Survivor expert who writes a blog about it. So this would apply to Opt, but not so much to Sorsha or LoRab. We'll see.

#177

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I disagree.She is playing traditional Mafia here, like other people care about that. There are no "baddies". She is trying to get him lynched like in a mafia game, but the others may actually (especially Opt) admire a move like that, not think it needs to be punished by voting him out.

Unless Sorsha changed her focus ALOT I think she is more likely to vote for Lorab than Quin, but I have never even pretended to know how Sorsha thinks.
If you admire what someone does, that's why you vote them out. The jury will admire them too.

I think they'd be foolish to vote for LoRab. Opt and Quin are the obvious threats to win here.

I am with golden even in death.

#178

Why did you choose me to poison as opposed to someone else, Elo?

#179

Boy, quin and opt both have terrible public arguments for why they shouldn't be voted out. "Who you'd have more satisfaction beating?" - c'mon quin, that's a pretty bad read of LoRab's game.

I'm having more and more trouble figuring out who to vote for here. Opt and Quin should be voting each other, and I can't and won't buy any 'loyalty' talk from either of them. Frankly I'm beginning to think Sorsha deserves to win.

#180

Epignosis wrote:Four straight immunity challenges tho

#181

Sure, but her role card had a large part to do with that. Actually, I see winning immunities as making a claim less strong... who is to say she wouldn't have been voted out if there was a chance?

LoRab asked Quin what I hoped she did. I don't like that Quin implied LoRab didn't deserve to win. She's there without the rolecard that Quin has (finding idols easily) or opt has (winning challenges easily). LoRab's done it socially alone.

#182

Golden wrote:Sure, but her role card had a large part to do with that. Actually, I see winning immunities as making a claim less strong... who is to say she wouldn't have been voted out if there was a chance?

LoRab asked Quin what I hoped she did. I don't like that Quin implied LoRab didn't deserve to win. She's there without the rolecard that Quin has (finding idols easily) or opt has (winning challenges easily). LoRab's done it socially alone.

I missed this business about winning challenges and idols with ease. Please enlighten me.

#183

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:Sure, but her role card had a large part to do with that. Actually, I see winning immunities as making a claim less strong... who is to say she wouldn't have been voted out if there was a chance?

LoRab asked Quin what I hoped she did. I don't like that Quin implied LoRab didn't deserve to win. She's there without the rolecard that Quin has (finding idols easily) or opt has (winning challenges easily). LoRab's done it socially alone.
I missed this business about winning challenges and idols with ease. Please enlighten me.

Opt's role gave her advantages in the challenges. Quin's role told him where idols were so he could just go find them every time they came back out.

#184

Golden wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:Sure, but her role card had a large part to do with that. Actually, I see winning immunities as making a claim less strong... who is to say she wouldn't have been voted out if there was a chance?

LoRab asked Quin what I hoped she did. I don't like that Quin implied LoRab didn't deserve to win. She's there without the rolecard that Quin has (finding idols easily) or opt has (winning challenges easily). LoRab's done it socially alone.
I missed this business about winning challenges and idols with ease. Please enlighten me.
Opt's role gave her advantages in the challenges. Quin's role told him where idols were so he could just go find them every time they came back out.

Told him where the idols were? Just like that? Pffff.

Opt's role gave her advantages...okay fine. What manner of advantages?

#185

Epignosis wrote:Opt's role gave her advantages...okay fine. What manner of advantages?

I don't know exactly how it advantaged her in each challenge... take the willpower one, though... noone else participated because Opt and Quin were so much better than the rest of us in such challenges that clearly we could not beat them.

#186

I can't wait to hear your stories lorab! Sorry to see you go.

#187

Quin made the move on DH ,not me. That was as big a move as hers on you.

That post sounded kinda braggy and it surprises me a bit.

#188

And yeah LoRabs insights should be interesting.

#189

S~V~S wrote:Quin made the move on DH ,not me. That was as big a move as hers on you.

That post sounded kinda braggy and it surprises me a bit.

Quins the one who had to lie to my face too. Opt didn't have btsc with me that day. But no doubt it was her idea, I'm just not sure I would have won (like, for example, I don't believe I could have gotten your vote svs).

Where I think opt has gone wrong is, she understood the need to be cutthroat with me, but I always felt quin was playing better than me. Why didn't she vote quin out?

I'll probably vote opt. She did play well and she answered my question well and I do think she has earned the win. But I think quin has earned it too. In the end my guess is that quin gets more votes but that opt might have beaten lorab... might have, although I really have huge respect for the game lorab played here. But I think the last vote could cost opt the game.

#190

Hey!

This thread was an interesting read...

Golden: I wasn't trying to play you. But apparently you were playing me. I actually. Relieved you when you said you intended to take me to the final 3.

SVS: It was never my intention to come into BTSC and squelch conversation and I apologize having come off that way.

Elo: I forgive you for poisoning me. Well played. I wish you could have gone to the end.

In the end, I wasn't trying to paint Quin as bad, but I had already asked everyone else about the poison,-'d wanted to ask him the same. And he came back defensively. Which I responded to. Also. I still don't think that twice as fast and 1 extra point are the same thing.

Also, I already knew that sorsha and I were both voting Quin. And I didn't think anything in the thread was going to convince opt. She was making choices for her own reasons.

And I didn't take being poisoned personally, I just wanted to know who did it. but it was a serious pain in the ass for the end of the game and determined pretty much every choice I made in challenges and day polls.

Also, it's why I ate the damn chicken.

#191

I knew you ate the chicken lol!

#192

I am beginning to think Sorsha is the greatest online thread based game player of all time.

#193

Golden wrote:Why did you choose me to poison as opposed to someone else, Elo?

I thought you, lorab, and me would make it to final three for sure. If it weren't for quins immunity and opts betrayal, we probably would have. And I thought with us three in the end, if both of you were poisoned and losing health bfast, maybe it would take you out and make it easier for me to win. I needed to poison you sooner than later so it would affect you guys enough. I don't think I knew about the jury at that point and if I did...It had slipped my mind.

#194

I don't think I need to ask any questions.

Opt totally lied in the thread about voting me out because I'm the only one she wasn't in an alliance with. Could've fooled me. She said she'd be loyal to me on night 1 BTSC. Im not the only one she betrayed early on before she really needed to. So I'm not voting for opt.

Quin had all those idols. In my opinion, his role is his reward.

I'm voting Sorsha. I didn't have BTSC with her at all. I was not in an alliance with her whatsoever. But...She gets my vote for winner by process of elimination. Those other two clowns don't deserve it.

#195

See, I was truthful in my dealings, and I wound up here. Deception is how you get to the end (that or having a role that lets you find all the idols). I can't fault Opt for telling lies. That's not clownish- that's gamesmanship.

#196

Eh. She didn't have to start so soon.

#197

Epignosis wrote:See, I was truthful in my dealings, and I wound up here. Deception is how you get to the end (that or having a role that lets you find all the idols). I can't fault Opt for telling lies. That's not clownish- that's gamesmanship.

But Opt is lying now. And that's just not wise. Or, she's been lying in the game so much that she doesn't remember what the truth actually is.

Deception while the game is going on is one thing. Deception after the fact is just poorly thought out.

#198

I commend deception of every stripe.

This is Survivor, peeps.

#199

insertnamehere wrote:I commend deception of every stripe.

This is Survivor, peeps.

Yeah, I don't get what the big deal is. If you came into this expecting everyone to honor their word...well...I don't know what to tell you.

#200

Jurors bringing their own personal feelings into the vote, and not voting for the better players simply because they got outplayed by them is a common problem in the show too.

#201

Yeah, kinda sounds like everyone's going to vote for whoever they feel least hurt by.

I'm honestly more interested in the answer to INH's question and SVS's question than my own. I'm probably going to base my decision on those three questions.

#202

insertnamehere wrote:Jurors bringing their own personal feelings into the vote, and not voting for the better players simply because they got outplayed by them is a common problem in the show too.

I think all three of them out played me. I want to vote for the one who outplayed me in the cleanest way possible. I read up a lot on my role, and I liked how he won. The real show doesn't have role powers, lol. So

also, not being a watcher, I am not as interested in being a purist as you are. I think the world had room for more than one interpretation of the appropriate criteria for winning Survivor.

I want to hear her answers, but Sorsha is my top seed at this time. She definitely did some under the table stuff, but she also stayed under the radar while doing it without any role benefits (that I am aware of, which is why I want to see her answers). She got to where she is without having upset or grossly betrayed anyone.

@SCOtty~ did I hopelessly screw up my questions? I thought we had 3 posts in total, and could break them up as we liked. I just wanted to get my full question out there

#203

"Cleanest" is a subjective nonsense term.

Everybody gets dirty in Survivor. If you get to the end, and you haven't betrayed anyone or made anyone else upset, then you haven't done anything to get there.

To put it in other terms, to be upset about backstabbing and betrayal in Survivor is like being upset about being NK'd by the mafia. It's gonna happen, and acting high and mighty about it is just bad sportsmanship, IMO.

Y'all did DH real dirty, then you went around insulting him after he got voted out, and acted like you were doing me a favor by voting out my closest ally. And I still had to suck it up, and pretend like I wanted to work with you and Quin after the merge. That's Survivor.

Obviously, people are able to have their own opinions.

And I'm able to have my opinions about their opinions.

#204

I'm inclined to vote Opt because of her incredible run of challenges, which are a substantial part of the game. Advantage or not, she absolutely dominated that facet.

On the other hand, Quin did pull off the usurpation of DH, which was my favorite play of the game. That was a masterful move.

On the other hand, Sorsha has managed to avoid everyone's suspicion and somehow made it through everything that has happened without any advantages that I know of, so that's a major credit to her.

I have no idea where I'm voting.

#205

S~V~S wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:Jurors bringing their own personal feelings into the vote, and not voting for the better players simply because they got outplayed by them is a common problem in the show too.
I think all three of them out played me. I want to vote for the one who outplayed me in the cleanest way possible. I read up a lot on my role, and I liked how he won. The real show doesn't have role powers, lol. So also, not being a watcher, I am not as interested in being a purist as you are. I think the world had room for more than one interpretation of the appropriate criteria for winning Survivor.

I want to hear her answers, but Sorsha is my top seed at this time. She definitely did some under the table stuff, but she also stayed under the radar while doing it without any role benefits (that I am aware of, which is why I want to see her answers). She got to where she is without having upset or grossly betrayed anyone.

@SCOtty~ did I hopelessly screw up my questions? I thought we had 3 posts in total, and could break them up as we liked. I just wanted to get my full question out there

You are limited to one real direct question to each player, or could break up your questions into 3 posts.

Meaning: "What is your favorite color, Opt?"
Followed by a separate post saying, "cool, thanks Opt. Hey Sorsha: what do you think about opt's favorite color?"

#206

Scotty wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:Jurors bringing their own personal feelings into the vote, and not voting for the better players simply because they got outplayed by them is a common problem in the show too.
I think all three of them out played me. I want to vote for the one who outplayed me in the cleanest way possible. I read up a lot on my role, and I liked how he won. The real show doesn't have role powers, lol. So also, not being a watcher, I am not as interested in being a purist as you are. I think the world had room for more than one interpretation of the appropriate criteria for winning Survivor.

I want to hear her answers, but Sorsha is my top seed at this time. She definitely did some under the table stuff, but she also stayed under the radar while doing it without any role benefits (that I am aware of, which is why I want to see her answers). She got to where she is without having upset or grossly betrayed anyone.

@SCOtty~ did I hopelessly screw up my questions? I thought we had 3 posts in total, and could break them up as we liked. I just wanted to get my full question out there
You are limited to one real direct question to each player, or could break up your questions into 3 posts.

Meaning: "What is your favorite color, Opt?"
Followed by a separate post saying, "cool, thanks Opt. Hey Sorsha: what do you think about opt's favorite color?"

So your post directed at all 3 players is your question for all 3 players.

#207

One question. But I still have two more each, right? I can do it in one post if you prefer. I misunderstood, I just thought it had to be in three posts.

I iz confused and will be sad if I can't ans anything else.

#208

LoRab wrote:
Epignosis wrote:See, I was truthful in my dealings, and I wound up here. Deception is how you get to the end (that or having a role that lets you find all the idols). I can't fault Opt for telling lies. That's not clownish- that's gamesmanship.
But Opt is lying now. And that's just not wise. Or, she's been lying in the game so much that she doesn't remember what the truth actually is.

Deception while the game is going on is one thing. Deception after the fact is just poorly thought out.

I think Opt is confused about what she was trying to achieve, or she didn't have a clear vision of it.

I really want to vote for Opt. I made a promise in game that if I wasn't at the end and LoRab or Opt was, I'd vote for Opt. But, I can't escape the sense that this is why I got voted out (and LoRab too...) that Opt wanted us here to vote for her. And if she just said that, I'd respect that and vote for her.

I told her she's the person I'm least likely to vote for because I want to see how she does under the pressure of FTC. I find it equally hard to vote for Quin when he had such a massive role advantage, even though I think he's the one that should never have been allowed to get there.

I can't vote for sorsha unless she's able to explain what she did. At the moment I have to be honest it looks like she got lucky that opt decided to turn on me when she did, because if opt had wanted to stay loyal there was nothing sorsha could have done to survive.

#209

S~V~S wrote:One question. But I still have two more each, right? I can do it in one post if you prefer. I misunderstood, I just thought it had to be in three posts.

I iz confused and will be sad if I can't ans anything else.

You get -one- question/comment/thought per person.

If you want, you can ask one player that first question you asked by clarifying. And then ask a separate question to another player in another post.

Does that make sense?

#210

S~V~S wrote:One question. But I still have two more each, right? I can do it in one post if you prefer. I misunderstood, I just thought it had to be in three posts.

I iz confused and will be sad if I can't ans anything else.

You get one question for each player, not three (I wish I could ask three each! There's more I want to ask!). I think it is all a bit confusing for a non-Survivor watcher.