Survivor: Mafia [Day 1-3: Atamai Tribe]

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There's a box of colored rocks at treemail! (Pick one per person please)

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I'm colorblind (Host/non-player option)
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I am sending in the Black Rock now. Each of us should tell the thread when we send it in. We need to know that everyone is participating.
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I'm just waiting to see if anyone can point out any flaws in my thinking.
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Re: Survivor: Mafia [Day 2]

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Black rock sounds good to me.
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Also I have a willpower advantage. Scotty said I will find out what my opponent chose re: the rocks when that decision is made.
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I'll try to start a fire. Quin, why are you walking on a palm tree?
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Re: Survivor: Mafia [Day 1]

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Sorsha wrote:
Long Con wrote:Who did you give them to? Did you get to eat? Why did you give them away?

Also, I'm hungry. :puppy:
I have one to Quin and one to notsawyer because I wanted them to feel loved :shrug: I could keep one for myself and I will probably in the future but I decided to see how it goes sharing. They both participated in the challenge. Maybe Epignosis can share with you?
Thank you!

So we are all choosing the black rock for the challenge? My willpower advantage tells me which one my opponent has before I make my choice, and I haven't gotten anything back yet.

I'm helping with the shelter.
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Re: Survivor: Mafia [Night 1]

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A couple of things I want to understand:
Scotty wrote:Challenge #2: Let’s Rock [Willpower]
Willpower is stated to be the attribute associated with this Challenge. What does this mean?
Team REWARD, no immunity[/center]
If there is no Immunity today, does that mean that both tribes will be voting someone out tonight?

Or does this mean that there will be an Immunity Challenge later today?
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notsawyer540 wrote:My willpower advantage tells me which one my opponent has before I make my choice, and I haven't gotten anything back yet.
Shit, that means that they probably have a similar spying advantage over some of us.

Is the all-black plan still viable?
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Re: Survivor: Mafia [Day 2]

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It would only make sense if we had all held out until our willpower people got their messages imo. I'll report back in here as soon as I get my PM.
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Long Con wrote:A couple of things I want to understand:
Scotty wrote:Challenge #2: Let’s Rock [Willpower]
Willpower is stated to be the attribute associated with this Challenge. What does this mean?
Team REWARD, no immunity[/center]
If there is no Immunity today, does that mean that both tribes will be voting someone out tonight?

Or does this mean that there will be an Immunity Challenge later today?
There will be no immunity challenge today. Both tribes will be having their own tea party with me at tribal council tonight.
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S~V~S wrote:Wow that was a shit role to lose. And only 5 people voted.

I will join you on the shelter Faraday.

So this is basically a random game of chance? should we discuss rock selection?
Scotty Probst said, "Five votes, that's enough." I inferred that there were more, but they were superfluous at that point.

I'm not sure it's worth it to go with black every time. The only thing we win for this challenge is fishing gear, which I assume allows us easier access to food. But some yellow votes could rack up a ton of food for our party anyway, so I'm thinking a mix might be the best solution, especially if they have a spy and can thwart at least one black vote.
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MovingPictures07 wrote:Also I have a willpower advantage. Scotty said I will find out what my opponent chose re: the rocks when that decision is made.
Update:

speedchuck has selected the yellow rock. (!!!)
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That means they are not going with an all-black plan. If we go with an all-black plan, we will get fishing gear. If we go all yellow, they will get the fishing gear and hopefully we will all benefit. Another thing to consider, is that the game is designed with a Twist that will punish us if we go all black.

I'm going to switch to Yellow right now, and I will switch back if that's the consensus.
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Re: Survivor: Mafia [Day 2]

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DFaraday wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Wow that was a shit role to lose. And only 5 people voted.

I will join you on the shelter Faraday.

So this is basically a random game of chance? should we discuss rock selection?
Scotty Probst said, "Five votes, that's enough." I inferred that there were more, but they were superfluous at that point.

I'm not sure it's worth it to go with black every time. The only thing we win for this challenge is fishing gear, which I assume allows us easier access to food. But some yellow votes could rack up a ton of food for our party anyway, so I'm thinking a mix might be the best solution, especially if they have a spy and can thwart at least one black vote.
How can they thwart a black rock?

The best they can do is give us nothing and get nothing.
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If we go all black and the other tribe uses even one yellow rock, we get the fishing gear and the other tribe gets absolutely nothing. Right?
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Re: Survivor: Mafia [Day 2]

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Epignosis wrote:If we go all black and the other tribe uses even one yellow rock, we get the fishing gear and the other tribe gets absolutely nothing. Right?
Yes, and the person on our side whose opponent picked the yellow rock would walk away with one food and one point, giving us a victory of 1-0.
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On the surface, yes. Barring some twists. What do you think the likelihood of the twist is in this situation, is it within usual Survivor lure for such a Twist to happen as, I don't know, something that will make us regret being selfish?
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Since we know speedchuck used the yellow rock, MP07 should go black to get the point from that, I should still wait on Elo to make a decision, and anyone who can't see what their opponent used should choose black.
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Agreed.

I am choosing BLACK ROCK.

How should I vote on the poll?
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I'm here and reading. I'll do whatever seems to be the better option for us as a team. It looks like chosing black rock is the way to go... is this final answer?
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Just realized I didn't explain why I'm waiting for Elo instead of just going with black. If Elo chooses yellow as well, I can go with yellow to get us more food and we'll still be ahead one point from MP choosing black.

As long as everyone else on our team chooses black, the other team can't get ahead or tie it up.
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Long Con wrote:On the surface, yes. Barring some twists. What do you think the likelihood of the twist is in this situation, is it within usual Survivor lure for such a Twist to happen as, I don't know, something that will make us regret being selfish?
If we get screwed because of twists, we get screwed because of twists. I'm not keen on assuming there are extra mechanics when I have to reason to believe they exist.
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I agree with Epi on this one. We should base our strategy on what we know. Not what we think we might not know.
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Ok, what we do know is that it's really likely that their team will have Willpower players on it as well. Our ideal plan is to choose yellow until the last possible second, and then switch to black, to trick their Seers.
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Did anyone get a result from the night poll?
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Long Con wrote:Did anyone get a result from the night poll?
What do you mean? All I got was a PM with my updated stats and another with the info about being able to see my opponent's choice in the challenge.
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Elo has selected the yellow rock
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Epi makes sense. I'm just trying to think of a way to maximize our food potential. If this were an immunity challenge, I'd absolutely be fine with black across the board. But since it seems we're just playing for a means to gain more food, I'm thinking a combination of yellow and black would be the optimal means of attaining maximum food (though obviously the tricky part is knowing when to do which).
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notsawyer540 wrote:Elo has selected the yellow rock
I think you should choose yellow to gain food for our entire group, since MP already gave us a leg up with his black rock.
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DFaraday wrote:
notsawyer540 wrote:Elo has selected the yellow rock
I think you should choose yellow to gain food for our entire group, since MP already gave us a leg up with his black rock.
That was my original plan, but LC brings up a good point about choosing yellow and switching to black at the last minute. What if that's what the other team is doing? We've already seen two yellows from them. Do I play it safe and go black or do I go with my original idea and choose yellow so the rest of you get food?
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Long Con wrote:Ok, what we do know is that it's really likely that their team will have Willpower players on it as well. Our ideal plan is to choose yellow until the last possible second, and then switch to black, to trick their Seers.
Aren't you assuming that you're allowed to switch?
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Remember:
If you do not submit a PM in time, you forfeit your turn, and point automatically goes to the opponent.
Question: What is the time limit? When is the deadline?

Another question: Will all rocks be made public in the end?
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Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:Ok, what we do know is that it's really likely that their team will have Willpower players on it as well. Our ideal plan is to choose yellow until the last possible second, and then switch to black, to trick their Seers.
Aren't you assuming that you're allowed to switch?
No, it is no assumption. I started with black, and I switched to yellow.
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notsawyer540 wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
notsawyer540 wrote:Elo has selected the yellow rock
I think you should choose yellow to gain food for our entire group, since MP already gave us a leg up with his black rock.
That was my original plan, but LC brings up a good point about choosing yellow and switching to black at the last minute. What if that's what the other team is doing? We've already seen two yellows from them. Do I play it safe and go black or do I go with my original idea and choose yellow so the rest of you get food?
Go yellow now, and switch to black (if you choose to) at the latest possible time.
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Long Con wrote:Remember:
If you do not submit a PM in time, you forfeit your turn, and point automatically goes to the opponent.
Question: What is the time limit? When is the deadline?

Another question: Will all rocks be made public in the end?
The time limit/deadline is end of day. All rock choices will be revealed in the End of Day post.
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Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:Ok, what we do know is that it's really likely that their team will have Willpower players on it as well. Our ideal plan is to choose yellow until the last possible second, and then switch to black, to trick their Seers.
Aren't you assuming that you're allowed to switch?
No, it is no assumption. I started with black, and I switched to yellow.
You said you did. Is the Mr. host man counting your switch?
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notsawyer540 wrote:Elo has selected the yellow rock
I think you should choose yellow to gain food for our entire group, since MP already gave us a leg up with his black rock.
That was my original plan, but LC brings up a good point about choosing yellow and switching to black at the last minute. What if that's what the other team is doing? We've already seen two yellows from them. Do I play it safe and go black or do I go with my original idea and choose yellow so the rest of you get food?
Go yellow now, and switch to black (if you choose to) at the latest possible time.
I don't trust that everyone will be around at the latest possible time to switch. I would feel more comfortable if we took the guaranteed dub.
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Re: Survivor: Mafia [Day 2]

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Fishing gear should yield us more food in the long run and I haven't seen anything saying that we CAN switch. I think I should go with black just to be safe. But we're a team, so if you guys say yellow then that's what I'll do.

Do we know when this ends? I can't see an end time for the poll and I'm only home a few more hours.
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Linki: Isn't end of day like midnight or something EST?
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notsawyer540 wrote:Fishing gear should yield us more food in the long run and I haven't seen anything saying that we CAN switch. I think I should go with black just to be safe. But we're a team, so if you guys say yellow then that's what I'll do.

Do we know when this ends? I can't see an end time for the poll and I'm only home a few more hours.
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I choose the yellow rock

That's 11pm in my time zone. I should be up pretty close to that.
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I will do yellow for now, but if you guys insist that we all do black I'll change later.
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Long Con wrote:On the surface, yes. Barring some twists. What do you think the likelihood of the twist is in this situation, is it within usual Survivor lure for such a Twist to happen as, I don't know, something that will make us regret being selfish?
What kind of twist?
Long Con wrote:Ok, what we do know is that it's really likely that their team will have Willpower players on it as well. Our ideal plan is to choose yellow until the last possible second, and then switch to black, to trick their Seers.
And if so, someone whose opposite put in a Yellow Rock, if we put in a black rock, Sawyer & MP will be told they changed, right? If Speedchuck and Eloh don't change, we're good to all put in black rocks.
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I'm leaving my rock yellow, and then switching it as close to midnight as possible.

@S~V~S: Right, but they could change at 11:59, and we'd be too late once the word got through.
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I'll be gone until about an hour before EOD because I have a night class, but that should give me plenty of time to get settled and make it back on here to switch to black.
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I would just hate to lose because we superfluously tried to trick the other team.
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Re: Survivor: Mafia [Day 2]

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Long Con wrote:I'm leaving my rock yellow, and then switching it as close to midnight as possible.

@S~V~S: Right, but they could change at 11:59, and we'd be too late once the word got through.
But we would know if Speedchuck or Eloh did, right?

I am more worried about people forgetting to change it back or falling asleep.

I will do as you ask, but will probably change it back in an hour or so when I get home so I don't forget ha ha

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S~V~S wrote:
Long Con wrote:On the surface, yes. Barring some twists. What do you think the likelihood of the twist is in this situation, is it within usual Survivor lure for such a Twist to happen as, I don't know, something that will make us regret being selfish?
What kind of twist?
A bonus for unselfish people in the next Immunity Challenge.

Epi: I only HATE to lose an Immunity Challenge. Losing here would be just inconvenient.
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Long Con wrote:Did anyone get a result from the night poll?
What do you mean? All I got was a PM with my updated stats and another with the info about being able to see my opponent's choice in the challenge.
S~V~S and I both chose "Trust", and we have been in BTSC today... I assume because of it. I thought perhaps other options had yielded results.
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I chose "sustenance" iirc. I got extra food from Sorsha, but I don't think the two are related.
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Long Con wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Long Con wrote:On the surface, yes. Barring some twists. What do you think the likelihood of the twist is in this situation, is it within usual Survivor lure for such a Twist to happen as, I don't know, something that will make us regret being selfish?
What kind of twist?
A bonus for unselfish people in the next Immunity Challenge.

Epi: I only HATE to lose an Immunity Challenge. Losing here would be just inconvenient.
notsawyer540 wrote:
Long Con wrote:Did anyone get a result from the night poll?
What do you mean? All I got was a PM with my updated stats and another with the info about being able to see my opponent's choice in the challenge.
S~V~S and I both chose "Trust", and we have been in BTSC today... I assume because of it. I thought perhaps other options had yielded results.
Did you send her name in yesterday for the btsc thing?
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Re: Survivor: Mafia [Day 2]

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Update:

speedchuck has changed to a black rock. So it's possible others will do the same.
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