Final Tribal Council [END]

#121

Golden wrote:
Opt_Outside wrote:
Golden wrote:That's one of the funny things that happened in this game... people thought I had a lot of deals but then I was being told I was in deals that I never was...

Deals I made in the game:

Final three with Quin and SVS pre-game, and a side pact with DH
Final three with Opt and DH at Atamai, final five with LoRab and speedchuck
Final three with Opt and sorsha in the post-swap tribe
Then I gave LoRab a final three deal to slot in to DH's place come merge when he was gone

That was all the deals I made... it's a few, but I heard a lot more that I had apparently made.
Oh interesting- did svs and quin not propose the final four to you that they did to me? That's where my pact with quin came from. Our final four that turned into final three once svs was out.
Yes, I made that final four deal (and that was my intended real deal - with LoRab fifth), but in my mind that was just combining the deals I'd already made.

Another thing that somehow did the rounds was that I wanted you to win. I was like - hell no, I want ME to win. I just thought you knew you were my ride or die!

I spent the last few days trying to figure out your motivation for voting me... was it that you thought I'd vote you out, or that you thought you'd lose to me, or that you thought I'd sway the jury for you. I never quite got the answer I wanted to that.

It was probably 20% you'd vote me out, 80% I thought I'd lose to you. Then I sold quin and sorsha on whatever I could! But the vote for you came out of a huge place of respect for your game. Maybe the jury wouldn't have voted for you like you say, but I certainly would have! The whole time I could see you setting up and dropping hints on how you had orchestrated the big moves and I was like wow this guy is so good

#122

Hey, scotty...

Hosting is damn hard, and it certainly sucks massive amounts of time. But you did absolutely amazingly. Seriously, like you are going to get theme and hosting nominations for the sockys this year no doubt. It was an amazing, living the real thing experience. I cannot state that enough.

I'm sure DF will agree, however, that we've built enough shelters to last a while

#123

Opt_Outside wrote:I was like wow this guy is so good

Don't forget it when it comes to mafia.

No-one should forget you're good either. This is not the last game you are going to dominate here.

#124

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:
Opt_Outside wrote:
Golden wrote:That's one of the funny things that happened in this game... people thought I had a lot of deals but then I was being told I was in deals that I never was...

Deals I made in the game:

Final three with Quin and SVS pre-game, and a side pact with DH
Final three with Opt and DH at Atamai, final five with LoRab and speedchuck
Final three with Opt and sorsha in the post-swap tribe
Then I gave LoRab a final three deal to slot in to DH's place come merge when he was gone

That was all the deals I made... it's a few, but I heard a lot more that I had apparently made.
Oh interesting- did svs and quin not propose the final four to you that they did to me? That's where my pact with quin came from. Our final four that turned into final three once svs was out.
Initially, it was a 3 between Golden, SVS and myself. But once we got to the merge, Golden insisted we bring you into the fold, so that 3 really became a four. I'm glad it did.
I needed parity. You had two, I needed two.

Anytime I made a deal with anyone, I said 'Opt's with me, she has to be included'.

Wow, thanks for going to bat for me. I'm feeling shittier and shittier about voting for you

#125

btw I'm accepting alliance requests for season 2 hmu

#126

Opt_Outside wrote:Wow, thanks for going to bat for me.

Well, this is why I was genuinely baffled by your reasoning in the moment being that you thought I'd vote for you. I wasn't sure if you were lying or misreading me. There was no scenario in which I was ever voting you out.

Having said that, you shouldn't feel too bad... I was definitely planning on throwing you under the bus as being merely my +1 at final tribal and hoping that I hadn't alienated so many people that I would lose.

You know what I'm really bummed about? ASKING to be allocated the reward on the puzzle challenge at final 6...

#127

Quin wrote:btw I'm accepting alliance requests for season 2 hmu

Too late, I've already made two final three deals.

#128

Quin wrote:What I really didn't expect was Sorsha blindsiding me though. I wasn't really a fan of her mindset towards the end, but I don't blame her for having it.

That surprised me too! It was a great move on her part though, had it worked

#129

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:btw I'm accepting alliance requests for season 2 hmu
Too late, I've already made two final three deals.

yeah, but I already have six idols.

#130

Ha! Nothing I love seeing more than people who don't know Sorsha well yet.

#131

Scotty- this was rad. When you first told me that you were planning this game forever ago I had no idea it would be this cool! Most of those challenges were so well done- that memory one and the idol in the sand and all the puzzles you created... good stuff, man.

Poor speedchuck though- the part of his role that was like "can learn who had btsc"

#132

Golden wrote:
Opt_Outside wrote:Wow, thanks for going to bat for me.
Well, this is why I was genuinely baffled by your reasoning in the moment being that you thought I'd vote for you. I wasn't sure if you were lying or misreading me. There was no scenario in which I was ever voting you out.

Having said that, you shouldn't feel too bad... I was definitely planning on throwing you under the bus as being merely my +1 at final tribal and hoping that I hadn't alienated so many people that I would lose.

You know what I'm really bummed about? ASKING to be allocated the reward on the puzzle challenge at final 6...

Mhm, I envisioned this scenario where we were at final tribal and you laid out this insanely well written speech about how you dragged me along since day one but you were the brains and action behind everything and I would be like ........yeah he's right vote for him

#133

Golden wrote:Hey, scotty...

Hosting is damn hard, and it certainly sucks massive amounts of time. But you did absolutely amazingly. Seriously, like you are going to get theme and hosting nominations for the sockys this year no doubt. It was an amazing, living the real thing experience. I cannot state that enough.

I'm sure DF will agree, however, that we've built enough shelters to last a while

Thanks man!

hahahaha those damn shelters.

Some secrets about the day polls:

-attempt to start a fire (needs 1 success from each team to succeed. If fail, team is fireless, can't cook meat. One person has 25% chance to succeed. With each successive vote for fire, it will add 25% chance to succeed. 4 votes is 100%. If no fire burning, fish will have a harder time cooking, and will be penalized -1. A completed fire only need 1 person to be stoked the next day and continue the flame)

 -attempt to build a shelter (needs 5 from each team to build good shelter that will last permanently. If only 3-4 people attempt, the shelter will be built, but will fall apart in 3 days’ time. If only 2 people attempt, the shelter will be built, but will fall apart in 2 days’ time. If 0-1 persons attempt, the shelter will not be built. If a team has no shelter, they will lose 1 energy in a cycle, on top of weather effects)

-go to water well (starts BTSC with each other for the night phase. Only 1 person needed. Water lasts 1 cycle. If no water, players will lose 1 thirst in a cycle, on top of other effects)

-attempt to fish (For each person that fishes, supplies 0-1 food for the person that fishes, provided there is a fire. With fishing gear, supplies 1-2 extra food, provided there is a fire.)

-walk along the felled palm tree (find the hidden immunity idol. If multiple look here, the recipient is randomized, and the other one will receive a message saying there is only a displacement as if something used to be there.)

-take a nap (+d3 energy at end of phase)

-starting on day 2, the natural footbridge contained a chicken. If both teams had found the chicken, there would maybe be 2 chicken through merge.

Merge added 2-3 more locations. The ridge beyond the hill had a fake idol that could be reburied for someone else to find. Golden found it, reburied it, and Quin found it.

The idol was reburied in random locations outside of camp after being used.

On Day 9-Night 9, there was already a built in rain monsoon that was to block BTSC.

#134

Scotty wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Quin wrote:Putting on my self-entitlement hat for a second - I'm actually surprised I only got one jury vote. Who dat
I would have voted you dude. Congrats on Final Three... rumour has it there's a banner involved in that.
True dat.

Some awesome dude named Con Long or something drafted these cool banners to wear proudly in your sigs!

Congrats to everyone that made jury and above! You're all technically winners in my book!

Cool!! ....so I have no idea how to make a signature- anyone able to help me out here?

#135

Click User control Panel
Click the profile tag
Say edit signature

In thread, quote scotty's post, and copy and paste the correct link into the signature. Done!

#136

My banner repertoire got good

#137

-starting on day 2, the natural footbridge contained a chicken. If both teams had found the chicken, there would maybe be 2 chicken through merge.

.

Two chickens?!? We could have had a Lucile AND a Doodle!? All that fighting for nothing

#138

Quin wrote:My banner repertoire got good

You should have a banner that says 'Mad Max - loser, but won best mafia for it anyway'

#139

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:My banner repertoire got good
You should have a banner that says 'Mad Max - loser, but won best mafia for it anyway'

I want that banner. Somebody please make me that banner.

#140

Golden wrote:Click User control Panel
Click the profile tag
Say edit signature

In thread, quote scotty's post, and copy and paste the correct link into the signature. Done!

Sweeeet

#141

Opt_Outside wrote:
Golden wrote:Click User control Panel
Click the profile tag
Say edit signature

In thread, quote scotty's post, and copy and paste the correct link into the signature. Done!
Sweeeet

It's neat that your first banner is literally a one-of-a-kind banner. Nobody else will ever have it. Be proud.

#142

Opt_Outside wrote:Scotty- this was rad. When you first told me that you were planning this game forever ago I had no idea it would be this cool! Most of those challenges were so well done- that memory one and the idol in the sand and all the puzzles you created... good stuff, man.

Poor speedchuck though- the part of his role that was like "can learn who had btsc"

I'm so glad you signed up! You really were a challenge beast.

Oh, which reminds me-

When Opt went on that immunity run (Boggle, Plate Smash, Pole, Captain, Memory), she only had an advantage (Strength) in the Captain one. And the tribe voted her as the captain (unknowing of its benefits of course), so she set herself up to be in a good spot to win that one.

The challenge advantages were never meant to be a huge advantage. If anything, they were supposed to be slight improvements- so that even without an advantage it was possible to win.

The most unbalanced advantage I think looking back was speedchuck's (puzzle) advantage in the 'X Marks the Spot', which told him the immunity idol was buried in the water...which, after people revealed their clues in thread, made it glaringly obvious exactly where the idol was.

Otherwise, most advantages were hardly noticeable

#143

Congrats Opt!!

I voted for you, Quin. I was going to vote for Sorsha because she played such a subtle game, but your question answers blew me away.

Although I begged Juliets to do it for me at the time, I want to apologize to DH again, and say that if it gives him any solace, lying to him in that chat actually made me sick to my stomach. I was so stressed out about it, and I felt awful.

But you wanted to take out my whole tribe.

So I am especially pleased that two of us made it to final.

And Golden, never trusting you again

#144

S~V~S wrote:And Golden, never trusting you again

Sick to my stomach is how I felt on that day. In voting you out I felt like I was going to both lose my chance of winning and lose a lot of respect from you. But I was also very afraid that you were against me already. Basically I feel that decision, no matter which way I went, was driven by fear.

I was determined to own it however. Lorab offered me the chance to vote elsewhere and have plausible deniability, but I didn't want to be in any way dishonest about the fact that I knew you were going to go. As much as it was possible to do in that situation, I tried to stab you in the front not the back.

I reached out to you because that's the way I wanted it to be. It still bums me out that it didn't turn out that way.

#145

Wow lots of nausea induced in this game! But the intensity level is highest in the best games, and this was awesome.

Scotty, SO impressed. The amount of work and thought, especially on a 24 hour schedule. This is one of the best games ever, thank you for it.

#146

Congratulations to Opt but also to Quin and Sorsha for making it to the end. You are all winners in my book.

Scotty, great game, you did an awesome job as host. When you do a Survivor season two I would be happy to co-host it with you to provide you some help during those two-thread challenges and also provide relief especially when you are acting and trying to answer questions at the same time.

It was great fun to be in the spectator chat, Scotty gave us some hints as to what was happening in bts at times since nothing was happening in the thread so it made it a lot of fun. Those team challenges were so suspenseful, I wish the teams had stuck around a little longer. Then watching Ponderosa watch the game thread was also a lot of fun.

So again, great game everyone and thanks for such an enjoyable mod experience.

#147

Opt_Outside wrote:INH - WHAT HAPPENED ON EXILE?!?

Literally nothing. I got an idol clue, but I'm pretty sure Quin already had that stuff locked down.

#148

DharmaHelper wrote:Oh yeah and thanks for telling me I could trust SVS and Quin Golden.

I don't want to say I told you so. But I absolutely did tell you so.

#149

Golden wrote:When I heard about that post-merge, I thought INH had come up with it. It's part of the reason I stopped trusting him.

Nope. I heard that I was in the F5 alliance from Quin when we had BTSC after the swap.

Really, after DH was voted off, the only person who I had any kind of leverage or trust with was Speed. We were planning on trying to get SVS and Quin to flip on Golden Day 8. Probably wouldn't have worked, but would have been the only way I could get to the end.

The thing that really fucked me over in this game was my role. Everyone who I poisoned immediately had a vendetta against me for the entire game. I tried not telling anyone except DH about my role, except naturally, he told Golden. If not for that, I think I could've stuck around a couple more TC's.

#150

Long Con wrote:
Golden wrote:LC, you seem to think you had an 'original five' deal with me. I had never even heard about such a thing until after you were gone. Someone was bullshitting you that I had allied with you.
DH... he lied to me and to Quin. Same lie. Was INH even involved? DH, you are too corrupt and deceitful to ever trust.

I did no such thing :P

Golden had told me he'd like to bring Quin in during the preseason, and I took that to mean Golden and Quin and I were good. Then I talked to you and INH, which made 5.

I don't recall mentioning final five, but there's the five that I do recall mentioning I had spoken with and hashed something out

#151

My plans RE: The Five fell through when LC wasn't in my original tribe, so I did what I could in keeping Golden/INH safe. When LC and I weren't swapped I got a little frustrated because talking to him would have kept me I think good for merge.

#152

I think "The Five" got telephoned into "The Final Five". Quin and SVS put in motion my ouster before I could even touch base with Quin. Who by the way, wasn't the Mamana's original target. We wanted DF out, (by design...I had your back you monkey).

Anyway. Waiting for my chance to really knock some heads around for season 2.

#153

S~V~S wrote:Congrats Opt!!

I voted for you, Quin. I was going to vote for Sorsha because she played such a subtle game, but your question answers blew me away.

Although I begged Juliets to do it for me at the time, I want to apologize to DH again, and say that if it gives him any solace, lying to him in that chat actually made me sick to my stomach. I was so stressed out about it, and I felt awful.

But you wanted to take out my whole tribe.

So I am especially pleased that two of us made it to final.

And Golden, never trusting you again

I shouldn't have expected any less. It is what it is I guess.

#154

DharmaHelper wrote:I think "The Five" got telephoned into "The Final Five". Quin and SVS put in motion my ouster before I could even touch base with Quin. Who by the way, wasn't the Mamana's original target. We wanted DF out, (by design...I had your back you monkey).

Anyway. Waiting for my chance to really knock some heads around for season 2.

Although.....

Spoiler: show

#155

Congratulations Opt_Outside on your win!! And congrats to all you others who made the Final Three, and those who made the Ponderosa Jury.

All of the game content is now viewable in various sub-forums below this one. All of those threads have been locked, as we will keep any further post-game discussion to this thread.

Thanks so much for playing, and most importantly, thanks Scotty for putting on such an intricate, demanding, yet incredibly engaging game. I couldn't keep up with the game thread at all, but I saw the work you put into this behind the scenes, and color me impressed. I definitely couldn't handle that level of difficulty on my own. Kudos to you for doing such an amazing job.

I've changed your rank to Jeff, I hope you like it!

#156

My loyalty résumé for Season 2:

INH told me about his role, and I agreed never to tell a soul about it. Despite the ammo that knowing who the poisoner was gave me to blackball INH, I kept my word. I even advised him to come clean to LoRab about it since I figured she would want to hear from the horses mouth and she'd understand it more versus if someone had figured out it was INH and told her.

#157

Long Con wrote: notsawyer, sorry, everything we agreed to was a lie on my part. Based on Original Five.

lol I suspected that. I was actually planning on betraying you the first chance I got.

Congrats Opt!

#158

DharmaHelper wrote:My loyalty résumé for Season 2:

INH told me about his role, and I agreed never to tell a soul about it. Despite the ammo that knowing who the poisoner was gave me to blackball INH, I kept my word. I even advised him to come clean to LoRab about it since I figured she would want to hear from the horses mouth and she'd understand it more versus if someone had figured out it was INH and told her.

Then how did Golden immediately know about it when I got BTSC with him?

#159

insertnamehere wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:My loyalty résumé for Season 2:

INH told me about his role, and I agreed never to tell a soul about it. Despite the ammo that knowing who the poisoner was gave me to blackball INH, I kept my word. I even advised him to come clean to LoRab about it since I figured she would want to hear from the horses mouth and she'd understand it more versus if someone had figured out it was INH and told her.
Then how did Golden immediately know about it when I got BTSC with him?

Wasn't by my hand.

#160

ALTHOUGH NOW YOU GOT ME THINKING I DRY SNITCHED

If I did tell Golden (which I genuinely don't remember) It would have been because I trusted him enough to keep it on the down low and wanted to sell you as an asset to keep in our ranks. I definitely didn't tell anyone to blackball you.

#161

insertnamehere wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:My loyalty résumé for Season 2:

INH told me about his role, and I agreed never to tell a soul about it. Despite the ammo that knowing who the poisoner was gave me to blackball INH, I kept my word. I even advised him to come clean to LoRab about it since I figured she would want to hear from the horses mouth and she'd understand it more versus if someone had figured out it was INH and told her.
Then how did Golden immediately know about it when I got BTSC with him?

I actually knew too reasonably early before you were voted out just by process of elimination. I think because so many people talked with Golden and admitted their roles and then he relayed all the same info to me, it didn't take long to figure out who you were. Especially since your role was a dangerous one and you were so hesitant to tell people

#162

DharmaHelper wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Golden wrote:LC, you seem to think you had an 'original five' deal with me. I had never even heard about such a thing until after you were gone. Someone was bullshitting you that I had allied with you.
DH... he lied to me and to Quin. Same lie. Was INH even involved? DH, you are too corrupt and deceitful to ever trust.
I did no such thing :P

Golden had told me he'd like to bring Quin in during the preseason, and I took that to mean Golden and Quin and I were good. Then I talked to you and INH, which made 5.

I don't recall mentioning final five, but there's the five that I do recall mentioning I had spoken with and hashed something out

Now see, pre game, Golden told ME that he wanted me, him and Quin to be final 3. He told me he had spoken to you, but he didn't trust you. Then he acted all surprised when Quin & I killed you. He commented earlier that that was when he knew I would have to go, BUT HE TOLD ME HE DID NOT TRUST YOU before the game. Had he not said that, we would have killed someone else. Probably LoRab since she needed me dead.

@Golden, if you are gonna throw things in every pot, it's usually a good idea to remember into what pot you threw which ingredient. I based my entire interaction with DH on Golden telling me he didn't trust him before the game even started.

#163

Sorry guys, I thought we had more time. I was at a camp during deadline. Was gonna vote for Opt anyway.

Opt_Outside wrote:Scotty- this was rad. When you first told me that you were planning this game forever ago I had no idea it would be this cool! Most of those challenges were so well done- that memory one and the idol in the sand and all the puzzles you created... good stuff, man.

Poor speedchuck though- the part of his role that was like "can learn who had btsc"

Yeah, I just stopped submitting that I think.

Scotty wrote:The most unbalanced advantage I think looking back was speedchuck's (puzzle) advantage in the 'X Marks the Spot', which told him the immunity idol was buried in the water...which, after people revealed their clues in thread, made it glaringly obvious exactly where the idol was.

I had actually narrowed it down in my head, and was certain it was there. I almost told everyone else not to bother, but I wanted them all to lose the energy so I said nothing.

Good game, all! Sorry about the confrontation, Long Con. It got me dead too.

#164

speedchuck wrote:Sorry guys, I thought we had more time. I was at a camp during deadline. Was gonna vote for Opt anyway.

Opt_Outside wrote:Scotty- this was rad. When you first told me that you were planning this game forever ago I had no idea it would be this cool! Most of those challenges were so well done- that memory one and the idol in the sand and all the puzzles you created... good stuff, man.

Poor speedchuck though- the part of his role that was like "can learn who had btsc"
Yeah, I just stopped submitting that I think.

Scotty wrote:The most unbalanced advantage I think looking back was speedchuck's (puzzle) advantage in the 'X Marks the Spot', which told him the immunity idol was buried in the water...which, after people revealed their clues in thread, made it glaringly obvious exactly where the idol was.
I had actually narrowed it down in my head, and was certain it was there. I almost told everyone else not to bother, but I wanted them all to lose the energy so I said nothing.

Good game, all! Sorry about the confrontation, Long Con. It got me dead too.

All good, bro. We were natural enemies, nothing we could do about that.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Golden wrote:LC, you seem to think you had an 'original five' deal with me. I had never even heard about such a thing until after you were gone. Someone was bullshitting you that I had allied with you.
DH... he lied to me and to Quin. Same lie. Was INH even involved? DH, you are too corrupt and deceitful to ever trust.
I did no such thing :P

Golden had told me he'd like to bring Quin in during the preseason, and I took that to mean Golden and Quin and I were good. Then I talked to you and INH, which made 5.

I don't recall mentioning final five, but there's the five that I do recall mentioning I had spoken with and hashed something out

Well, I learned my lesson for next time: Don't believe anyone. If I play next time, I doubt this is the kind of game that I can win.

#165

Epignosis wrote:The greatest thing about LMS games is that I can enter them knowing I have no chance at ever winning them.

#166

Epignosis wrote:
Epignosis wrote:The greatest thing about LMS games is that I can enter them knowing I have no chance at ever winning them.

Then let's make an alliance with each other next time, so we don't bother all the real players.

#167

People can believe me though.

#168

DharmaHelper wrote:People can believe me though.

I believed you had three other guys that knew about my part in a five-way pre-game alliance.

#169

insertnamehere wrote:
Golden wrote:When I heard about that post-merge, I thought INH had come up with it. It's part of the reason I stopped trusting him.
Nope. I heard that I was in the F5 alliance from Quin when we had BTSC after the swap.

Really, after DH was voted off, the only person who I had any kind of leverage or trust with was Speed. We were planning on trying to get SVS and Quin to flip on Golden Day 8. Probably wouldn't have worked, but would have been the only way I could get to the end.

The thing that really fucked me over in this game was my role. Everyone who I poisoned immediately had a vendetta against me for the entire game. I tried not telling anyone except DH about my role, except naturally, he told Golden. If not for that, I think I could've stuck around a couple more TC's.

Dh didn't tell me I don't think. I'm trying to remember... I think maybe opt worked it out through process of elimination.

#170

Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:People can believe me though.
I believed you had three other guys that knew about my part in a five-way pre-game alliance.

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