MU Season 6 Scrimmage [GAME OVER]

[novaselinenever]

I have a nagging feeling about Jesse that I can't quite shake. The arbitrary posts he quoted and the little prodding he did through them isn't really sitting well with me.

[novaselinenever]

It seems random af lol

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm voting MacDougall. He's full of shit.

Well that was short lived.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack, are you re-reading through the whole thread?

Implying I read it once already.

I’m reading all of D2.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Spoiler: show

You can see below Ultra just subtly pushing Jay off of DDL while at the same time buttering him up. Why did Ultra feel the need to make the first post? The second seems to be hard defending of DDL while accusing Jay of the very same. It's quite masterful.

Yeah okay.

We got one.

Agreed that this entrance was awkward, especially in hindisight with his no lynch proposition

But then you proceeded to shade like 3 other people so I'm going to ask you how serious you are about this slot.

DDL taking opportunities to answer soft questions and discredit early effort before it exists. bad

What is the point of D0 if we can't lynch anyone?

With this mindset you ensure that it cannot have a point. bad

Eh. D0 isn't useless, but it does present a lot of opportunity to shade people over NAI.

By the way, your powerpoint is unintentionally hilarious.

The way you talked before made it sound like you’d done something??? Does that mean no matter your alignment you dont post well??

I mean, regardless of alignment I shit post. That is my modus operandi. Such that JJJ can't possibly have a town read on me yet, given I would do this regardless of what I am.

So are you trying to say that he's pocketing you?

What do you think, Dragomir?

Hmm... we dont have any information to work on yet, so we should probably no lynch d1.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

This reeks of chainsaw defense.

More examples.

Possibly, by you.

I don't need "possibly". What are you referring to?

Defend someone by attacking their accuser.

Since you're here elaborate on that vote

I think DDL got snagged by a booby trap. No lynches are horrendous, and I thought it looked evident that speedchuck wasn't serious in his recommendation.

Eh the thing is that I kind of see a reasoning for it. Na.ely this game has a bunch of cops and they all act in Night 1/2. So No Lynch would reduce the chance we lynch our own cops and hopefully give us a headstart in ability usage. It reminded me of the Jester Game we do in NF.

Of course the price we pay for that is a civ night kill, so I'm not entirely sure the move is profitable. Would like to see a discussion on it, though.

This one is good because it also contains some dribble placeholder text about NF that adds nothing which is similar to something Jay literally caught me for in the other game. Overexplaining.

This isn't fucking jeopardy. You are supposed to provide something other than questions and answers.

You know in the other game when I was trying to find evidence to make a fake case on Nova I read his ISO and noticed he asked a ton of questions.

Nice.

I don't care about what you tried to do as scum.

So you are going to disregard the fact that I made an observation that Nova asks lots of questions in a game he was confirmed town in?

Above you can see DDL went hard at Nova yesterday. I think he ended with his vote there.

Ultra then gets lynched making Nova nigh unlynchable. What would you do if you were DDL and you were Mafia?

Then what would you do if a townie came out and you see them mistakenly townclear Jay of all people.

I saved JJJ last night.

Or someone roleblocked the killer.

I think that DDL and co. shot at Nova and I think DDL made this post to prevent a towncore forming around Jay.

Every time I relook at the role list these kinda theories seem more and more plausible.

Why does DDL start to form a towncore around Nova then? What does he gain by saving someone he just tried to kill? DDL couldnt have predicted Nova coming in and voting JJJ off the bat like that.

Why does Nova's vote on JJJ need to be a thing to justify his behaviour towards Nova?

Stage 1 - Fail to mislynch Nova
Stage 2 - Lose a scum teammate who had been hard defending you that simultaneously makes Nova look amaze
Stage 3 - Shoot at Nova and fail
Stage 4 - ... continue to try to attack Nova?

He feels like he has no choice but to flip his position on Nova. But then when he sees Jay getting incorrectly town cleared... that signals disaster.

This post gives me good feels about Mac.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Civilians:

Lux
DDL
Owner
JJJ
Gemma

Cool.

I don't believe these are legitimate reads. This is just random names you picked out of a barrel.

Yeah let’s pull Mac from the nulls to the townleans and he can have a free “lol gj Jack” in wolfchat if I’m wrong.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't believe these are legitimate reads. This is just random names you picked out of a barrel.

Why?

You are not the sort of player who gives town passes to 5 players on day 2. You are full of horse manure.

So...you expect me to adhere to a script.

Okay.

You have been an antagonistic civilian for the years I have known you and all of a sudden you are civ clearing people. This is not town Epi.

And what do I do when I am mafia?

Set up wifom defences like you're trying to do.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Epi told me in the other games scum chat (he is hosting) that he wants to be in a team that acts as one and defends each other.

Epi defended DDL, laid off ultra. He's all of a sudden producing civ clears. This is exactly how he said he wanted to play as Mafia.

[Dragomir]

I'm at work right now and won't be able to come through with my thoughts on the recent pages for until a few hours. Just one thing though, this wagon on me is bad and reeks of an attempt to save Soneji. RDW looks even more bad in my eyes.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Enough with the pleasantries! It's time to fight.

How's everyone doing?

Doing fine. How's about you? What's your story?

I'm the rep from The Millennium Forums shamelessly using your mafia board as a stepping stone on my way to become the ultimate cambodian basket weaving forum mafia player. I know MP7 and a couple of other people here I'm forgetting atm

This is a horseshit exchange.

There are 100 new people on this site, and Ultra was the only one to whom Mac said, "What's your story?"

Look at every other exchange Mac had.

I really like these new people. They have personalities, and confidence... it's almost like they are real functioning humans.

He didn't interact with any of these new people...except Ultra.

He's mafia.

I’d be so happy if this was wolf theatre.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm at work right now and won't be able to come through with my thoughts on the recent pages for until a few hours. Just one thing though, this wagon on me is bad and reeks of an attempt to save Soneji. RDW looks even more bad in my eyes.

Gimmie one sentence why each of those players is bad.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Enough with the pleasantries! It's time to fight.

How's everyone doing?

Doing fine. How's about you? What's your story?

I'm the rep from The Millennium Forums shamelessly using your mafia board as a stepping stone on my way to become the ultimate cambodian basket weaving forum mafia player. I know MP7 and a couple of other people here I'm forgetting atm

This is a horseshit exchange.

There are 100 new people on this site, and Ultra was the only one to whom Mac said, "What's your story?"

Look at every other exchange Mac had.

I really like these new people. They have personalities, and confidence... it's almost like they are real functioning humans.

He didn't interact with any of these new people...except Ultra.

He's mafia.

I don’t actually find this convincing at all.

Reads natural. Did Lux ask Mac how he was doing? Did GeMma? Whatever this is desperate lookin.

[dunya]

dunya is a fucking sorceress. She peers into souls and divines the evil lurking within. I can't compete with that shit.

hi. i love u. bye.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Owner goes in the townreads pile. Big win.

[VOTE: Luxurious] aubergine

Also, @Sloonei can you fix the poll so that I can actually vote for Luxurious. Currently, Luxurious' name isn't even in the poll, which kind of puts me at a stand still.

I did some reading when Ultra flipped scum. These posts are relatively close to each other and guided my night action decision. I believe Gemma's claim.

I dig your Ultra stuff, Speed. I can see a baddie Ultra using me as a compass to navigate through early game. His prod for reads kind of felt iffy to me, like I was getting a vibe that he actually cared what those were lol.

Not sure if I care for this post too much.

If Nova is bad, Ultra would not be with him.

lf Nova is good, that doesn't necessarily confirm or deny Ultra's alignment.

Why dont you like this post

I think scum are generally attracted to posts that either defend their partner or posts that they could potentially later use to post against someone else. So seeing me not crazy about their stance on Ultra thinking about pushing on nova, would likely maybe peek a teammate's interest in hearing more about why I think that.

*is temporary voting no lynch*

I still want blood this day phase (so I'll be voting for someone else) so that I'll know if my reads are on the right track or if I need to reassess things.

Okay cool but like why even bother?

I didn't like leaving my vote on JJJ. I haven't decided who I think is scummiest now that JJJ is off the table.

Spoiler: show

I saw that wrong. (no comment)

I like trying to be in the here and now, but it can't always happen,

Why was JJJ on the table???? What has he done that has changed your mind besides post multiple times in a row?

Like why do you suddenly have this change of heart? I need more details

Luxurious shows concern for why I'm completely saying JJJ is no longer a target to be voted for.

Ultra is kind of guilty of exactly what he accused Jay of. I don't care much how he branded the vote saying it reeks of "chainsaw defense" before he actually delved into it. Feels like he's detached from the suspicions and he's following a textbook on how to play mafia and build cases lol.

Have you played with Ultra before? Are these the suspicions he has or the suspicions against him?

Luxurious seems generally curious about the well being of Ultra.

Ultra is kind of guilty of exactly what he accused Jay of. I don't care much how he branded the vote saying it reeks of "chainsaw defense" before he actually delved into it. Feels like he's detached from the suspicions and he's following a textbook on how to play mafia and build cases lol.

Have you played with Ultra before? Are these the suspicions he has or the suspicions against him?

We've played once before, but we've crossed path a few times (player/host in each other's games). I'm referring to his suspicion of Jay.

Any chance you can quick link me to a post (or a few)

@Gemma

Why should I move my vote off you?

if you scumread me you shouldn't obv

Oh so I should mislynch you?

whichever response gets you to scumread me more

Okay Gemma I have officially decided that I dont wanna lynch you today

[VOTE: owner] aubergine

Here's Lux voting for me yesterday. They end up voting for Ultra some point, but I think there's a chance that they bussed Ultra.


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Today Stuff

I saved JJJ last night.

Did you get a mod-confirmation?

No, but I've never seen a doctor role with mod confirmation that save was successful.

It's not a thing here as well. I'm asking 'cause there are 4 roles in the OP that could have messed with the kill, so I'm not sure why you're coming out and why you're sure.

You misunderstood. I was only claiming my night action, not implying that I thought I definitely stopped the kill. I claimed because it could be relevant information and I think my role is the least important and most straightforward of any that are in the setup right now. If someone blocked a scumread, for example, they could think that they stopped the kill, etc. Seems optimal to just out my info with only one save left.

How is it relevant? Like in what world? I’m genuinely curious please walk me through this

Confirming that JJJ might be nearly confirmed town is big win for town. Upon death, we only see alignment and not roles that aren't in the game any longer. JJJ was already in a lot of town circles, I feel though. So having this information is helpful at least imo to overall solve the game.

I guess I'm wondering why you (Lux) are shocked about this information being shared.

Okay I’ll explain to you why your answer is awful

1) Nova was a wagon yesterday, mafia would expect for town to lynch Nova eventually due to wagonomics

2)In the off chance mafia, DOESNT, expect this, they suck

3)JJJ was the highest poster, with Ultra as a scum read. While he voted Gemma, his vote ultimately ended up on a mafia.

4) While Nova DID push Ultra the hardest, JJJ wasnt at risk of being lynched, bringing it back to wagonomics of Nova

So like, why the fuck would mafia kill Nova > JJJ

Since JJJ was the highest poster is that why you targeted him in the night?


TL:DR

I have Luxurious targeting JJJ last night.

[novaselinenever]

dunya is a fucking sorceress. She peers into souls and divines the evil lurking within. I can't compete with that shit.

hi. i love u. bye.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Townread
Jay
Speed
Owner
Nova

Townlean
Gemma
Mac
DDL

Null aka are these ones playing or what
Soneji
Jesse
MP
Taisawhatever

Scummy
Epi
Drago meybe


And let’s see where the Lux convo goes.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I wanna day how much I appreciate ya’ll letting me have the thread to myself for so long.

[Sloonei]

Host announcement: I will likely be a little late to announce the lynch result tonight.

My apologies again. The deadline is unchanged. I ask that players refrain from posting after the 7:36 deadline time (if a mod is online and wants to lock the thread, I’d appreciate it). Day 3 will start at 7 PM EST tomorrow, and we’ll have consistent deadlines from there on out.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have just under 2 hours, 4% battery and a date.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
[mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention]
[mention]speedchuck[/mention]
[mention]MacDougall[/mention]
[mention]novaselinenever[/mention]
[mention]Gemma[/mention]
[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]

Gimmie a sentence or two or direct to a post or two to tell me who to vote for. Thx.

[JessieKruger]

I think dragomir is best lynch i found his constant push on owner rather weak.

[novaselinenever]

I think dragomir is best lynch i found his constant push on owner rather weak.

I thought you agreed with him?

[novaselinenever]

I have just under 2 hours, 4% battery and a date.

@JaggedJimmyJay
@Owner of a Lonely Heart
@speedchuck
@MacDougall
@novaselinenever
@Gemma
@Dragon D. Luffy

Gimmie a sentence or two or direct to a post or two to tell me who to vote for. Thx.

5 of the 6 you quoted are voting for the same person, the last one is not voting amongst the two leading wagons.

If you're looking for guidance in that pool, the answer is clear.

[novaselinenever]

tagged*

[speedchuck]

Dragomir isn't the worst option tho

[novaselinenever]

@Dragomir yesterday you were desperate for DDL to get lynched. What has changed?

Don't really care who gets lynched as long as it's Owner, DDL, or Jack. All 3 are scum to me. I think there's a little more indicating Ultra and Owner being buddies than the rest though.

I agree to this owner was pushing more into JJJ in day. 1 phase.

I think dragomir is best lynch i found his constant push on owner rather weak.

[novaselinenever]

[mention]Dragomir[/mention] Do something.

[JessieKruger]

Hi nova you are right i initially agreed drago on that post however i read back owner iso post . I did not like his push on jjj in day 1 phase thats it i guess.

Since i think owner has role claimed as tracker in one of his post and he is consistently playing better in this day phase.

I dont like how dragos wanted a desperate vote on her. Just doesnt feel right if he flips green i am opened to be questioned.

[novaselinenever]

Hi nova you are right i initially agreed drago on that post however i read back owner iso post . I did not like his push on jjj in day 1 phase thats it i guess.

Since i think owner has role claimed as tracker in one of his post and he is consistently playing better in this day phase.

I dont like how dragos wanted a desperate vote on her. Just doesnt feel right if he flips green i am opened to be questioned.

What don't you like about it?

[JessieKruger]

@Dragomir yesterday you were desperate for DDL to get lynched. What has changed?

Don't really care who gets lynched as long as it's Owner, DDL, or Jack. All 3 are scum to me. I think there's a little more indicating Ultra and Owner being buddies than the rest though.

Maybe on this post he framed ultra and owner as scum buddies.

[novaselinenever]

lol

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have just under 2 hours, 4% battery and a date.

@JaggedJimmyJay
@Owner of a Lonely Heart
@speedchuck
@MacDougall
@novaselinenever
@Gemma
@Dragon D. Luffy

Gimmie a sentence or two or direct to a post or two to tell me who to vote for. Thx.

5 of the 6 you quoted are voting for the same person, the last one is not voting amongst the two leading wagons.

If you're looking for guidance in that pool, the answer is clear.

Yeah but I wanna know why.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Soneji] aubergine since I trust everyone on that wagon, even if I personally suspect Drag more.

[novaselinenever]

I'm at work right now and won't be able to come through with my thoughts on the recent pages for until a few hours. Just one thing though, this wagon on me is bad and reeks of an attempt to save Soneji. RDW looks even more bad in my eyes.

He's in your short-list of Mafiosos and you believe he's a counter wagon to yours. Why aren't you voting him?

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Dragomir yesterday you were desperate for DDL to get lynched. What has changed?

Don't really care who gets lynched as long as it's Owner, DDL, or Jack. All 3 are scum to me. I think there's a little more indicating Ultra and Owner being buddies than the rest though.

Lol what is this post?

[novaselinenever]

@Dragomir yesterday you were desperate for DDL to get lynched. What has changed?

Don't really care who gets lynched as long as it's Owner, DDL, or Jack. All 3 are scum to me. I think there's a little more indicating Ultra and Owner being buddies than the rest though.

Lol what is this post?

Textbook civ Drago lol

[Gemma]

I kind of want to vote JJJ. I enjoy playing with him, and it has been awhile since we last played. But I also feel like I'm not quite yet seeing the Jay that I've seen before in 2 other games I played with him. Is that enough to go by? I don't know. Have I only seen his town game? I think so. Then again he might play different with a power role in hand, so maybe that's why he appears different. Or he could be generally busy, but I'm not suppose to make excuses for him. I'm just suppose to read what the thread gives me. Or maybe some games does Jay not get serious super early on? In my mind, it would be hard to maintain a talkative or inquisitive facade like every single game.

You're very wishy washy with this read on JJJ. Your approach to your scum read on him comes off as fake. You say stuff that you think are scummy about him, then immediately begin questioning and making up excuses. You're not assertive or sure about yourself at all and that is really troubling.

One could say your vote on him is assertive but meh your reasoning provided is so wishy washy that it makes the vote and the entire read itself just look like you're trying to contribute.

This isn't too bad actually. It's a fair take on what I've said there. I am wish washy on Jay; that is a fact.


Town Points for Jay include
• Going around and talking about each player's interactions with Ultra
• Being potentially "saved" in the night

Worlds with Jay in Them
1. Jay is town. Ultra left their vote on him, which clears him to some degree. Gemma protected him. Lux tried to kill Jay. Lux or Ultra or another teammate could have the jailkeeper role.
2. Jay is town. Ultra left their vote on him, which clears him to some degree. Gemma protected him. Lux jailkept Jay. Someone unknown tried to kill Jay. It didn't work.
3. Jay is mafia. Ultra left their vote on him to distance him. Gemma protected him. Gemma is mafia doctor who protect Jay in the night. Jay performed a kill on x player. Kill was stopped by Lux jailkeeping Jay.
4. Jay is mafia. Ultra left their vote on him to distance him. Jay accidentally bussed him. Gemma protected him. Gemma is mafia doctor who protect Jay in the night. Jay performed a kill on x player. Kill was stopped by Lux jailkeeping Jay.
5. Jay is mafia. Ultra left their vote on him to distance him. Jay accidentally bussed him. Gemma protected him. Gemma is a town doctor who protect Jay in the night. Jay performed a kill on x player. Kill was stopped by Lux jailkeeping Jay.

Conclusion
I still think Jay and Gemma are town.

I think Lux's explanation of how mafia should think might have been argument she had with a partner about night kills. She adjusted to my claim well, so there is still a world where she is actually town. (so I still don't know what lux identifies as. I keep thinking she because of the avi, but idk.)

So maybe I should move my vote back to lux as, lux turn tail and is voting for dragomir might be a bad sign, and Epi is on this vote too.

I still don't know if I should trust Epi or not. Epi trusted myself and DDL's reads on nova yesterday.

So like Nova with Dragomir? idk my bff jill... I just don't have all the answers. I see too many different possibilities.

I don't want to be wrong on Lux. But I did still track them because of their interactions with conversations that brought up ULtra's name and me stating that lynching Jay wasn't likely to happen. But that also could have generated concern to save jay though, so derp... i don't what to think.. I have too many thoughts, not enough decisiveness

Owner, it's entirely possible that all 4 of us are town and none of our night actions actually impacted the night kill.

[Gemma]

I think vigilante should always be shooting the counterwagon here if we get a green flip.

[Gemma]

Dragomir not self-pressing is a good look I guess?

[Gemma]

Hi nova you are right i initially agreed drago on that post however i read back owner iso post . I did not like his push on jjj in day 1 phase thats it i guess.

Since i think owner has role claimed as tracker in one of his post and he is consistently playing better in this day phase.

I dont like how dragos wanted a desperate vote on her. Just doesnt feel right if he flips green i am opened to be questioned.

Townie mindset imo

[Gemma]

Why is Jack voting Soneji when he scumreads Dragomir?

[Gemma]

Idk, I don't think I can vote Dragomir here over Soneji when Soneji has been super no show. I don't really think either of them are super likely to flip mafia but I have no scumreads this game so that probably doesn't mean very much

[Gemma]

[VOTE: Soneji] aubergine since I trust everyone on that wagon, even if I personally suspect Drag more.

Apparently I didn't read this post lol

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Soneji] aubergine

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[VOTE: Soneji] aubergine

Yay Mac nice to know you agree with me.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

@Dragomir yesterday you were desperate for DDL to get lynched. What has changed?

Don't really care who gets lynched as long as it's Owner, DDL, or Jack. All 3 are scum to me. I think there's a little more indicating Ultra and Owner being buddies than the rest though.

I agree to this owner was pushing more into JJJ in day. 1 phase.

I think dragomir is best lynch i found his constant push on owner rather weak.

Are we posting Brazilian memes now

[novaselinenever]

Hi nova you are right i initially agreed drago on that post however i read back owner iso post . I did not like his push on jjj in day 1 phase thats it i guess.

Since i think owner has role claimed as tracker in one of his post and he is consistently playing better in this day phase.

I dont like how dragos wanted a desperate vote on her. Just doesnt feel right if he flips green i am opened to be questioned.

Townie mindset imo

We're on different planets I believe lol

[Gemma]

Oh well I have no idea what my reads are this game rip me

[novaselinenever]

Idk, I don't think I can vote Dragomir here over Soneji when Soneji has been super no show. I don't really think either of them are super likely to flip mafia but I have no scumreads this game so that probably doesn't mean very much

Who's the closest to a scumread, you reckon? Also how do you usually play the game at a moment when you have none? Is it also something that happens often, like it takes you a while to fully flesh out thoughts on alignments?

[novaselinenever]

3 questions in one posts Epi. Bite me

[Gemma]

Hi nova you are right i initially agreed drago on that post however i read back owner iso post . I did not like his push on jjj in day 1 phase thats it i guess.

Since i think owner has role claimed as tracker in one of his post and he is consistently playing better in this day phase.

I dont like how dragos wanted a desperate vote on her. Just doesnt feel right if he flips green i am opened to be questioned.

Townie mindset imo

We're on different planets I believe lol

Idk I guess it's not the exact "if they flip town lynch me" thing that you see from newbtown but it's kinda close :v

Plus like, why does this guy think he needs to be wrong about Dragomir before he can be open to question?